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srvnvly
08-10-2011, 01:48 PM
Specs look fantastic: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Volkl_Organix_8_315g/descpageRCVOLKL-VORG82.html

bad_call
08-10-2011, 02:42 PM
Specs look fantastic: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Volkl_Organix_8_315g/descpageRCVOLKL-VORG82.html

fantastic specs?...you're joking right?

Fuji
08-10-2011, 02:50 PM
fantastic specs?...you're joking right?

I actually don't mind the specs. If the stiffness was about 5-6 points lower I'd for sure try it out. It seems like the Volkl Pure Drive, and I bet it's a pretty good stick tweener stick just from the specs!

-Fuji

bad_call
08-10-2011, 02:53 PM
I actually don't mind the specs. If the stiffness was about 5-6 points lower I'd for sure try it out. It seems like the Volkl Pure Drive, and I bet it's a pretty good stick tweener stick just from the specs!

-Fuji

keep going......

srvnvly
08-10-2011, 03:05 PM
fantastic specs?...you're joking right?

No, I'm not joking, albeit it's a little on the stiff side

ollinger
08-10-2011, 03:07 PM
I found the stiffness on the 300 version to be a deal breaker when I hit the demo. This one looks even nastier.

TennisMaverick
08-10-2011, 03:35 PM
The threads on the X8 315 have been out for weeks. Check them out.

It actually feels more plush than the 300. Get hung-up on specs with an X-frame and you lose. I just gave them to some Babolat using nat juniors and they loved them.

BobFL
08-10-2011, 04:04 PM
Yet another PDR wanna be... :)

YesTennis
08-10-2011, 04:20 PM
Tennis Maverick- Just wondering what you mean by not getting hung up on the specs. I'm looking to demo some new racquets, and have never tried a Volkyl. I'm approaching 50 yo, NTRP 4.0, "all around game." Are you saying not to worry about the stiffness rating? Appreciate your thoughts.

Fuji
08-10-2011, 04:36 PM
Tennis Maverick- Just wondering what you mean by not getting hung up on the specs. I'm looking to demo some new racquets, and have never tried a Volkyl. I'm approaching 50 yo, NTRP 4.0, "all around game." Are you saying not to worry about the stiffness rating? Appreciate your thoughts.

Yes and no I would think.

With the Organix and sensor handle in the Volkl's I would say, still be cautious of the stiffness, but it does have some great dampening.

On other rackets however, really watch the stiffness, especially Babolats. Their stiffness is pretty well accurate. Their 70 feels like a 70!

-Fuji

HiroProtagonist
08-10-2011, 04:47 PM
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TennisMaverick
08-10-2011, 05:18 PM
Tennis Maverick- Just wondering what you mean by not getting hung up on the specs. I'm looking to demo some new racquets, and have never tried a Volkyl. I'm approaching 50 yo, NTRP 4.0, "all around game." Are you saying not to worry about the stiffness rating? Appreciate your thoughts.

The X material lay-up at the poles really affects playability, stiffness, and balance. The grip system plays a huge effect. The X8 315 was designed to go head2head with the Roddick PDGT, because it's harshness is tough to deal with and Volkl wants to take advantage of those who want the Bab with a more comfortable ride. The string bed off center has less vibration and is more lively. It hits flat and volleys better than the Roddick PDGT IMPO. The specs are amorphous with the PB and X line, and the 315 feels easier than the 300, believe it or not!

YesTennis
08-10-2011, 05:21 PM
Thanks for the information!!!

Fed Kennedy
08-10-2011, 11:19 PM
The hulk hogan cosmetic is reason enough to goat this frame, brotherrrrr.
I am not troubled by the stiffness rating, the new volks have a verrry smooth handle system, it's like a luxury car.
The sw does seem looooooow, then again, fast swings are better with this type of frame, as is lead at 12. I have a good feeling about this one.

TennisMaverick
08-11-2011, 02:39 AM
The hulk hogan cosmetic is reason enough to goat this frame, brotherrrrr.
I am not troubled by the stiffness rating, the new volks have a verrry smooth handle system, it's like a luxury car.
The sw does seem looooooow, then again, fast swings are better with this type of frame, as is lead at 12. I have a good feeling about this one.

I reviewed this frame a couple of weeks ago on it's own thread and on the X8 300 thread.

dParis
08-11-2011, 08:50 AM
Beam thickness, head size, stiffness, string pattern, and cosmetics are very appealing, but of course that's all just my opinion.

Steve Huff
08-11-2011, 03:12 PM
TennisMav is right. Some specs can be deceiving. For instance, some Yonex rackets with the triangular cross section frame allowed the frame to collapse inward some, creating some give, even though the frame itself was stiff. Prince rackets with the O ports allow a lot of string movement to create a soft feel, and look at their stiffness. Pro Kennex has some fairly high flex ratings too, and their among the easiest on the arm made. Specs may provide a good starting point, but other factors can contribute to the rackets harshness and playability too.

TennisMaverick
08-11-2011, 06:35 PM
Rely On Specs Only. That Is The Specmoelandian Law Of The Rahn Dynasty. Resistance...is Futile.

Bud
08-11-2011, 09:50 PM
Beam thickness, head size, stiffness, string pattern, and cosmetics are very appealing, but of course that's all just my opinion.

I agree.. not to mention the PJ is the bomb :)

The specs are very close to PD/APD specs (a bit more HL which is a plus)

I may have to demo one of these

Head Size: 100 sq. in. / 645.16 sq. cm.
Length: 27in / 68.58cm
Strung Weight: 11.6oz / 328.85g
Balance: 7 pts HL
Swingweight: 315
Stiffness: 70
Beam Width: 23mm / 23mm / 23mm
Composition: Organix / Carbon / Fiberglass
String Pattern: 16 Mains / 18 Crosses

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/VORG82-1.JPG

TennisMaverick
08-11-2011, 10:00 PM
The specs are very close to PD/APD specs (a bit more HL which is a plus)

Discussed this on the numerous X8 threads and the X club thread.

The 315 was specifically made to go up against the Roddick PDGT as the arm saving version.

Bud
08-11-2011, 10:01 PM
Discussed this on the numerous X8 threads and the X club thread.

The 315 was specifically made to go up against the Roddick PDGT as the arm saving version.

I never read those threads as I'm not crazy about Volkl sticks ;)

JackB1
08-12-2011, 07:14 AM
fantastic specs?...you're joking right?

BC........I am just wondering what u don't like about the specs? The stiffness is high, but what else? Beam too thick?

The weight, swingweight & balance are almost exactly the same as the IG Speed 16x19, which I loved. If this plays like the X8-300 but with this
weight and balance, then I am sure to like it. The sensor handle system takes about 5 points off the stiffness rating IMO. My X8-300 (68 rdc)
feels like around a 64-65 to me.


Head Size: 100 sq. in. / 645.16 sq. cm.
Length: 27in / 68.58cm
Strung Weight: 11.6oz / 328.85g
Balance: 7 pts HL
Swingweight: 315
Stiffness: 70
Beam Width: 23mm / 23mm / 23mm
Composition: Organix / Carbon / Fiberglass
String Pattern: 16 Mains / 18 Crosses

BC1
08-12-2011, 07:16 AM
Yes and no I would think.

With the Organix and sensor handle in the Volkl's I would say, still be cautious of the stiffness, but it does have some great dampening.

On other rackets however, really watch the stiffness, especially Babolats. Their stiffness is pretty well accurate. Their 70 feels like a 70!

-Fuji

In my experience the specs on stifness definitely give a close indication, but you still must demo. More importantly, be aware of the string setup with any racquet demo. IMO the string/tension almost makes more of a difference then the racquet. High tension (in any strings) can make the racquet feel and play totally different and a lot stiffer.

I may be in the minority but I have found Babolats to more comfortable then their specs indicate, possibly due the their "woofer" or "cortex" systems, just like volkl's can feel less stiff due to their technology. Maybe they aren't just marketing gimicks. But don't get me wrong - I am in no way saying Babolats are as comfortable as Volkls - just reafirming that the specs don't always tell the whole picture and strings make a difference as well.

bad_call
08-12-2011, 07:33 AM
BC........I am just wondering what u don't like about the specs? The stiffness is high, but what else? Beam too thick?

The weight, swingweight & balance are almost exactly the same as the IG Speed 16x19, which I loved. If this plays like the X8-300 but with this
weight and balance, then I am sure to like it. The sensor handle system takes about 5 points off the stiffness rating IMO. My X8-300 (68 rdc)
feels like around a 64-65 to me.


Head Size: 100 sq. in. / 645.16 sq. cm.
Length: 27in / 68.58cm
Strung Weight: 11.6oz / 328.85g
Balance: 7 pts HL
Swingweight: 315
Stiffness: 70
Beam Width: 23mm / 23mm / 23mm
Composition: Organix / Carbon / Fiberglass
String Pattern: 16 Mains / 18 Crosses

primarily the stiffness isn't to my liking. i've played volkls with the sensor handle and it only dampens so much. recall having hand/finger issues when serving flat bombs. could have been other aspects as well.

JackB1
08-12-2011, 08:00 AM
In my experience the specs on stifness definitely give a close indication, but you still must demo. More importantly, be aware of the string setup with any racquet demo. IMO the string/tension almost makes more of a difference then the racquet. High tension (in any strings) can make the racquet feel and play totally different and a lot stiffer.

I may be in the minority but I have found Babolats to more comfortable then their specs indicate, possibly due the their "woofer" or "cortex" systems, just like volkl's can feel less stiff due to their technology. Maybe they aren't just marketing gimicks. But don't get me wrong - I am in no way saying Babolats are as comfortable as Volkls - just reafirming that the specs don't always tell the whole picture and strings make a difference as well.

totally agree.

on the other hand, you shouldn't completely ignore specs either. The weight, swingweight and stiffness ratings are important considerations, but shouldn't be the "end-all-be-all".

JackB1
08-12-2011, 08:03 AM
primarily the stiffness isn't to my liking. i've played volkls with the sensor handle and it only dampens so much. recall having hand/finger issues when serving flat bombs. could have been other aspects as well.

There have been several reports of the X8's being too stiff for some or giving some folks elbow and/or wrist pains. Personally, I found the X8 to play softer than expected....more like a 64-65 rated racquet would than a 68,69. The Sensor handle does help a lot, but it can only do so much. You can't take away ALL the sensory feedback or tennis wouldn't be a lot of fun.

bad_call
08-12-2011, 08:08 AM
There have been several reports of the X8's being too stiff for some or giving some folks elbow and/or wrist pains. Personally, I found the X8 to play softer than expected....more like a 64-65 rated racquet would than a 68,69. The Sensor handle does help a lot, but it can only do so much. You can't take away ALL the sensory feedback or tennis wouldn't be a lot of fun.

pocketing strings might be enough for this player...and winning points with flat bombs. :razz:

BobFL
08-12-2011, 09:11 AM
pocketing strings might be enough for this player...and winning points with flat bombs. :razz:

which is not happening very often since your recent switch ;) prestige pro FTW! :D

dgoran
08-12-2011, 09:15 AM
which is not happening very often since your recent switch ;) prestige pro FTW! :D

Is he talking about flatulance bombs :)

bad_call
08-12-2011, 09:33 AM
which is not happening very often since your recent switch ;) prestige pro FTW! :D

not flat bombs for da Bob...heavy spinners to the body and out wide work nicely. ;)

bad_call
08-12-2011, 09:34 AM
Is he talking about flatulance bombs :)

u standing too close to me lately? ;)

Hewex
08-12-2011, 09:38 AM
There have been several reports of the X8's being too stiff for some or giving some folks elbow and/or wrist pains. Personally, I found the X8 to play softer than expected....more like a 64-65 rated racquet would than a 68,69. The Sensor handle does help a lot, but it can only do so much. You can't take away ALL the sensory feedback or tennis wouldn't be a lot of fun.

You make sense Jack. But, it's hard to go ahead and try racquets that far out of your spec range, especially when it comes to stiffness. Coming back to the game 3 years ago, I never would have predicted that I would have such specific preferences on how my racquet or strings should feel. I mean, can you even explain to a non tennis player how you can tell the differences between a racquet strung at 54 or 59lbs or between different types of string? They think you're insane. One last thing. The folks in this thread who are critical or just not excited about these specs, are not Volkl bashers. They legitimately don't care for the specs, for whatever reason. Speaking as someone who will buy an Organix racquet in the near future, I find a reasoned, balanced discussion of Volkl racquets refreshing.

JackB1
08-12-2011, 09:51 AM
You make sense Jack. But, it's hard to go ahead and try racquets that far out of your spec range, especially when it comes to stiffness. Coming back to the game 3 years ago, I never would have predicted that I would have such specific preferences on how my racquet or strings should feel. I mean, can you even explain to a non tennis player how you can tell the differences between a racquet strung at 54 or 59lbs or between different types of string? They think you're insane. One last thing. The folks in this thread who are critical or just not excited about these specs, are not Volkl bashers. They legitimately don't care for the specs, for whatever reason. Speaking as someone who will buy an Organix racquet in the near future, I find a reasoned, balanced discussion of Volkl racquets refreshing.

As a past TE sufferer, I would never consider anything over 65 stiffness rating...but the X8-300 has not bothered me one bit. It's certainly not the best choice if you have arm issues....but for anyone currently playing with Pure Drive's or APD's...you should give these a try for sure.

Hewex
08-12-2011, 10:39 AM
As a past TE sufferer, I would never consider anything over 65 stiffness rating...but the X8-300 has not bothered me one bit. It's certainly not the best choice if you have arm issues....but for anyone currently playing with Pure Drive's or APD's...you should give these a try for sure.

I see you're selling yours. Are you returning to the Head or Yonex you were using or to a completely new stick?

TennisMaverick
08-12-2011, 01:34 PM
Are the Specmoes procreating again?

Mess with specs and the X-Line, and you lose...PERIOD....specs...are irrelevant. If you haven't hit with the X8 315, then how would you even know to pop-off to begin with?

With that being said, the X8 300 is string sensitive, so if you have any arm issues, it's stringing. People aren't dropping the cross string tension. The X8 315, is actually more plush, especially if you move the frame from 12:00.

Bud
08-12-2011, 01:38 PM
As a past TE sufferer, I would never consider anything over 65 stiffness rating...but the X8-300 has not bothered me one bit. It's certainly not the best choice if you have arm issues....but for anyone currently playing with Pure Drive's or APD's...you should give these a try for sure.

You can never go by just the stiffness rating. The Pro Kennex 5G is rated at 65 RA but it's also the most arm-friendly frame by far.

Like others stated, you must demo before judging.

Fed Kennedy
08-12-2011, 02:13 PM
Are the Specmoes procreating again?

Mess with specs and the X-Line, and you lose...PERIOD....specs...are irrelevant. If you haven't hit with the X8 315, then how would you even know to pop-off to begin with?

With that being said, the X8 300 is string sensitive, so if you have any arm issues, it's stringing. People aren't dropping the cross string tension. The X8 315, is actually more plush, especially if you move the frame from 12:00.

So mav, if I read this correctly you're saying just go with 55# mains and crosses.

TennisMaverick
08-12-2011, 02:32 PM
So mav, if I read this correctly you're saying just go with 55# mains and crosses.

Nope....you have to drop the cross string tension depending on your stringer's craftsmanship, 2-4 lbs with the X6/8, and more with the PB 10 Mid/X10s. Even if you use string separators to lose all of the friction with the crosses as I do, the 3.5 lbs on the PB 10 Mids and 3 lbs on the X10s, was not enough. The X material@3/9 substantially increases cross string stiffness.

JackB1
08-12-2011, 03:46 PM
I see you're selling yours. Are you returning to the Head or Yonex you were using or to a completely new stick?

I will go with either the Head IG Instinct or the X8-315.

El Diablo
08-12-2011, 04:34 PM
Specs don't entirely lie. I've watched many of the video racquet reviews on the website of one of the other major online retailers, and the review of the Organix 8 - 300 is the only one I've seen thus far in which one of the reviewers says he started to have elbow pain using the racquet. I'm curious to see their review of the stiffer 315.

Hewex
08-12-2011, 05:53 PM
I will go with either the Head IG Instinct or the X8-315.

What's your struggle with the X8-300? I like the specs on the IG Speed you were using, but I'm not so sure about the Instinct. What about that stick appeals to you?

It's also interesting to me that TW lists the Speed as being similar to X8-315.

bad_call
08-12-2011, 07:05 PM
Specs don't entirely lie. I've watched many of the video racquet reviews on the website of one of the other major online retailers, and the review of the Organix 8 - 300 is the only one I've seen thus far in which one of the reviewers says he started to have elbow pain using the racquet. I'm curious to see their review of the stiffer 315.

agreed...if they did, doubt TW would go to the trouble of posting. and racquetfinder would be err "unnecessary". :lol:

JackB1
08-12-2011, 07:17 PM
Specs don't entirely lie. I've watched many of the video racquet reviews on the website of one of the other major online retailers, and the review of the Organix 8 - 300 is the only one I've seen thus far in which one of the reviewers says he started to have elbow pain using the racquet. I'm curious to see their review of the stiffer 315.

There is also a video review on Y tube by tennis xpress where the reviewer mentions elbow pain. Is that the one you are talking about?

msalamon
08-12-2011, 07:17 PM
In my experience the specs on stifness definitely give a close indication, but you still must demo. More importantly, be aware of the string setup with any racquet demo. IMO the string/tension almost makes more of a difference then the racquet. High tension (in any strings) can make the racquet feel and play totally different and a lot stiffer.

I may be in the minority but I have found Babolats to more comfortable then their specs indicate, possibly due the their "woofer" or "cortex" systems, just like volkl's can feel less stiff due to their technology. Maybe they aren't just marketing gimicks. But don't get me wrong - I am in no way saying Babolats are as comfortable as Volkls - just reafirming that the specs don't always tell the whole picture and strings make a difference as well.

This is a good point-remember johnny Mac used a super stiff frame--but strung very low -- in the 40s I think. But then again-we are talking frames here-not string setups.

msalamon
08-12-2011, 07:22 PM
why is everyone dumping their x300's? too stiff -too high swing weight--too head heavy feeling perhaps????

JackB1
08-12-2011, 07:25 PM
What's your struggle with the X8-300? I like the specs on the IG Speed you were using, but I'm not so sure about the Instinct. What about that stick appeals to you?

It's also interesting to me that TW lists the Speed as being similar to X8-315.

No struggle with the 300. I just prefer a little lower swingweight and a little more headlite feel. The instinct has a very solid feel for an 11 oz stick and has nice controllable power and a soft feel.

msalamon
08-12-2011, 07:39 PM
No struggle with the 300. I just prefer a little lower swingweight and a little more headlite feel. The instinct has a very solid feel for an 11 oz stick and has nice controllable power and a soft feel.

I got everything except the stiffness! So why not stay with Volkl and try a London?

JackB1
08-12-2011, 08:31 PM
I got everything except the stiffness! So why not stay with Volkl and try a London?

I actually played with the London for a while and its a great stick. I just had a hard time serving with it and had a little trouble with its power.

Migelowsky
08-17-2011, 04:00 PM
Hi Vlkl users, first of all, dont get upset if I ask for something
that was already commented on page "X" from "Y" organix thread :wink: .
I often read those threads and I need your opinion on this.
I have a Dunlop 4D 200 racket that I like a lot, but I found a PB 8 315
at a very good price and I bought it, before buying the Dunlop I was
curious about the PD Roddick and tweener rackets in general so I
wanted to try this one even knowing that is the complete opposite
of my Dunlop.
I like the feel of the 4D, the weight and stability but I have play really
well with a lot of intensity to get the benefits, what I like about the
Vlkl ist that it helps me with the power and spin when Im not playing
at my max.
At first I had to adjust to the power of this one and the stiff
feel compared to the Dunlop, but it took just a few days and now
Im using it instead of the Dunlop and I want to buy another one.
My question is if you think I should go for another PB 8, or go for
the Organix, the PB is now a little cheaper but just about 40 dlls so
thats not really a incentive to choose one or another. I can adjust
to differences ( going from using a players racket to this one ) ,
and I see that they weight more or less the same, both are 100 sq in,
everything is similar, the main reason Im interested on the new one is the Feel,
from reading the post hier seems this one is more comfortable and easy on the arm.
So, what do you think? Thanks

TennisMaverick
08-17-2011, 04:43 PM
Hi Vlkl users, first of all, dont get upset if I ask for something
that was already commented on page "X" from "Y" organix thread :wink: .
I often read those threads and I need your opinion on this.
I have a Dunlop 4D 200 racket that I like a lot, but I found a PB 8 315
at a very good price and I bought it, before buying the Dunlop I was
curious about the PD Roddick and tweener rackets in general so I
wanted to try this one even knowing that is the complete opposite
of my Dunlop.
I like the feel of the 4D, the weight and stability but I have play really
well with a lot of intensity to get the benefits, what I like about the
Vlkl ist that it helps me with the power and spin when Im not playing
at my max.
At first I had to adjust to the power of this one and the stiff
feel compared to the Dunlop, but it took just a few days and now
Im using it instead of the Dunlop and I want to buy another one.
My question is if you think I should go for another PB 8, or go for
the Organix, the PB is now a little cheaper but just about 40 dlls so
thats not really a incentive to choose one or another. I can adjust
to differences ( going from using a players racket to this one ) ,
and I see that they weight more or less the same, both are 100 sq in,
everything is similar, the main reason Im interested on the new one is the Feel,
from reading the post hier seems this one is more comfortable and easy on the arm.
So, what do you think? Thanks

The X frames are far more advanced and refined. The PB 8 315 sold like hotcakes, but died the day the X8 300 came out. The X8 300 plays closer to the PB 315 than the X8 315 does. As you add a little X/DNX material, the stick does a little more with a little less, so racquet head acceleration picks-up, and so does spin and ball weight.

Advice: DEMO!

Migelowsky
08-17-2011, 06:05 PM
Thank you mr. Maverick
of course Ill demo, I just wanted to hear some
opinions. If I find it a bit more dampened Ill
choose it over the PB.

TennisMaverick
08-17-2011, 06:12 PM
Thank you mr. Maverick
of course Ill demo, I just wanted to hear some
opinions. If I find it a bit more dampened Ill
choose it over the PB.

It's far easier on the arm than the PB version.