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Tennisaurus
07-05-2005, 05:44 AM
Which racquets woud you consider "Buttery", "Smooth", "Soft", etc.

rich s
07-05-2005, 06:37 AM
Volkl Tour 10 Gen II MP

nViATi
07-05-2005, 07:02 AM
LM Prestige MP

python
07-05-2005, 07:30 AM
Volkl c10, any one of the Estusa reproductions of the Puma Boris Becker Super.

ambro
07-05-2005, 07:44 AM
Yonex RDX 500 Mid.

Guillote
07-05-2005, 07:47 AM
Head i.Radical MP

southpaw37
07-05-2005, 07:49 AM
Volkl Tour 10 Gen II MP

A second vote for this one. Felt like I could put the ball anywhere I wanted to with this stick.

gurj_v
07-05-2005, 08:05 AM
Yonex RDX 500 mid is about as "buttery" or as "soft" as you can get.

Greg
07-05-2005, 08:09 AM
POG Mid.

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Return_Ace
07-05-2005, 08:14 AM
"buttery" hmmmmmmm.....not quite sure, but butter is a lubricant and is slippery, I would describe the RDX500 mid as slippery therefore does it mean its buttery? iono........

bdaniels
07-05-2005, 09:42 AM
The ones you have listed as your signature...the 5G and 7G are very smooth and buttery...beautiful racquets.

newnuse
07-05-2005, 09:58 AM
Volkl C10 Pro Tour... very soft feeling

mclee025
07-05-2005, 10:56 AM
POG midplus with Alpha 2000 16 mains at 56lbs. and Gosen Micro 17 crosses at 53lbs. I specify the strings because before I restrung the racquet it was a pretty harsh playing racquet. After the new strings, the racquet really has a buttery feel to almost every shot I put on the stringbed. It's a great feeling ... JOY! :).

marco forehand
07-05-2005, 11:05 AM
I have to recommend the Estusa PB

ShooterMcMarco
07-05-2005, 11:14 AM
hi marco. i'm marco.

6.0 95 :)

Feņa14
07-05-2005, 11:21 AM
Fischer Pro Vac 90

dozu
07-05-2005, 11:50 AM
these buttery smooth soft terms are almost a pure function of racket flex and shock dampening... although all of the above rackets mentioned are great, to me they are still quite stiff with their flex listed between the high 50's and low 60's.... when you get the stiffness index down to the low 50's, with some sort of shock dampening, then you truly have a buttery racket...... try the racket finder on the TW site, there is NO current model that fits such spec..... you will find some old ones, but the shock dampening is not quite as good as the modern ones.

Tennisaurus
07-05-2005, 12:04 PM
The ones you have listed as your signature...the 5G and 7G are very smooth and buttery...beautiful racquets.

I second your vote! :D

Also, I tried the PK - R this past week end and thought that one was very smooth, as well!

billyboybeacon
07-05-2005, 12:19 PM
Volkl C10 pro..very buttery

newnuse
07-05-2005, 12:28 PM
Forgot to mention, I've hit with the the C10 Pro Tour model and RDX500 Mid. I'm surprised anybody would call the Yonex buttery smooth. It's kind of pingy, especially compared the C10.

TennsDog
07-05-2005, 12:28 PM
Volkl Tour 10 VE, but I would assume other Tour 10's and Volkls in general would have a similar feel.
I do tend to disagree with the comments about the RDX 500 and Prestige. I played with all three, and those two cannot begin to compare in terms of feel tot he Volkl.

ambro
07-05-2005, 01:47 PM
My RDX has a much softer feel than my Volkl T10 VE Mid.

Redflea
07-05-2005, 02:55 PM
Forgot to mention, I've hit with the the C10 Pro Tour model and RDX500 Mid. I'm surprised anybody would call the Yonex buttery smooth. It's kind of pingy, especially compared the C10.

Ya gotta be kidding...the Yonex RDX Mid is about as far from pingy as we are from Pluto...one of the most smooth, solid racquets out there right now.

ffrpg
07-05-2005, 02:58 PM
Dunlop Max 200G, Yonex RD-7, Yonex RDX500, and the Head Prestige Classic.

joe sch
07-05-2005, 03:22 PM
Dunlop Max 200G, Yonex RD-7, Yonex RDX500, and the Head Prestige Classic.
Yes and how about the rossignol F series like the F150 that Wilander played

TennsDog
07-05-2005, 03:45 PM
I do agree with newnuse that the RDX 500 feels cheap, pingy, and somewhat harsh.

Mulligan
07-05-2005, 05:07 PM
I do agree with newnuse that the RDX 500 feels cheap, pingy, and somewhat harsh.

Wow...to each their own :) The RDX 500 mid was one of the most stable, comfortable racquets that I have hit with recently. This just proves that you have to hit with a frame for yourself rather than go with what others say.

Pushmaster
07-05-2005, 07:05 PM
The Prestige Tour mid, C10 Pro 98", and R-22.

DANMAN
07-05-2005, 07:39 PM
Prestige Classic

ty slothrop
07-05-2005, 07:40 PM
wilson rok

galain
07-05-2005, 10:01 PM
Get your hands on some of the older frames from the 80's that were made with fibreglass. Like Joe said - Rossignol is well known for flexible frames. Of the current crop - PK Laver series seems to have some feel or if you go back a few years, the Head PT 280 was a nice 90's frame.

ps 6.0
07-05-2005, 10:49 PM
To me, soft rackets aren't buttery to me. But if buttery you mean muted, the most muted racket in my bag is the Yonnie MP Tour 1 90. To me the Hyper Pro Staff 6.1 95 or the Prestige Tour Mid feels most buttery to me.

FeloniousMonk
07-05-2005, 11:45 PM
The softest graphite ever produced might have been the Dunlop Max 200G. (Mc Enroe/Graff) USRSA still has specs on it... flex rating at 47. I Seems plausible to me that the early fiberglass and ceramics might have been even more flexible.

http://www.woodtennis.com/McEnroe/

BreakPoint
07-06-2005, 10:54 AM
Buttery smooth?

Wilson PS 6.0 95
Dunlop Max 200G
Yonex RDX 500 Mid
Head Prestige Classic
Vantage 90

nw tennis
07-06-2005, 10:59 AM
Dunlop Max 200G, Yonex RD-7, Yonex RDX500, and the Head Prestige Classic.


I agree 100 percent with these four racquets. Very nice "buttery" feel. They make you work, but your work is rewarded.

newnuse
07-06-2005, 12:43 PM
Ya gotta be kidding...the Yonex RDX Mid is about as far from pingy as we are from Pluto...one of the most smooth, solid racquets out there right now.

No I'm not kidding :mrgreen:

Racket was strung on the high side with Wilson TNT... felt kinda pingy... not 100% graphite racket pingy, but still a tad pingy

I actually don't mind pingy rackets. Good feedback

kv581
07-06-2005, 12:55 PM
Which racquet is more so, Volkl Tour 10 Gen II or RDX500 mid?

TennsDog
07-06-2005, 01:18 PM
If the Gen II is anything like the VE, then the RDX 500 is far more pingy.

BreakPoint
07-06-2005, 01:22 PM
Which racquet is more so, Volkl Tour 10 Gen II or RDX500 mid?

I'd say the RDX 500 Mid is more buttery than the Tour 10 Gen II. The RDX 500 Mid felt more stable to me than the Tour 10 Gen II.

takeuchi
07-06-2005, 01:46 PM
sorry but can you describe what "buttery" means. I haven't really demoed many rackets so its hard for me to grasp it. the only racket i've demoed is the 03 tour.

mctennis
07-06-2005, 01:50 PM
Volkl C10 PT, PK 5G, Volkl C10 Comp

Ronaldo
07-06-2005, 01:58 PM
Volkl C7 Pro, 98" head

TennsDog
07-06-2005, 01:58 PM
It is kind of hard to explain to someone w/o a good feel for a bunch of different rackets. The feeling is pretty much like what you would expect it to be: soft, usually a longer dwell time from a softer frame, good stability...you almost feel like the stringbed is actually somewhat melding with the ball. It is a racket that does not transmit a lot of shock, but does have good feel. Kinda getting the idea??

Tenny
07-15-2005, 06:04 PM
POG Mid.

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Huh? I wouldn't say POG Mid (93) is buttery. It's kinda harsh (some don't like it) or raw (others like it).

Wilson Prostaff 6.0 95 was the first one I've experienced.
Estusa Power braided pro is also buttery.

Being buttery is different from being flexible. They are flexible of course. But although they are flexible too, head prestige classic (its feel is ...eh, refreshing. Fischer pro No 1 is similar to PC600 IMO) or Volkl C10 (it's too whippy! This one, I didn't like) are not buttery. It's different from being greasy ^^. For me, it's like the racquet is made of very fine quality wood and flex in very good/even/kind way. Buttery racquets make the players happy.

finchy
07-15-2005, 08:21 PM
the original 6.0 line (85 & 95), WHEN you hit the sweetspot.

btw, IMO, POG's are quite stiff.

Coda
07-15-2005, 09:19 PM
either one of the PS orignals with gut...ahhh!

AndrewD
07-15-2005, 11:03 PM
Dunlop 200G (the original), nothing comes close. That injection molding gave it a feel totally unlike any racquet before or since. Just pillow soft response but the racquet was solid as a rock. In second place Id put the Head Prestige Pro.

It's funny hearing that the 200G has a flex rating of 47 because, in the day, people used to complain that it was too stiff. It wasn't stiffness they were feeling but the incredible solidity that the injection process created. Played firmer than it was and when strung at the right tension (in the 40's) it was all sweetspot. No twisting on off-centre hits (no spin either lol), just a solid, reliable, comfortable feel.

BreakPoint
07-15-2005, 11:13 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean, AndrewD. I used the Max 200G for 13 years. Now I use the PS 6.0 95. Interpret that any way you 'd like, but I think it means the PS 6.0 95 is about as close to the Max 200G as one will find these days.

Gary Britt
07-15-2005, 11:19 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean, AndrewD. I used the Max 200G for 13 years. Now I use the PS 6.0 95. Interpret that any way you 'd like, but I think it means the PS 6.0 95 is about as close to the Max 200G as one will find these days.

Breakpoint, ever use the POG O/S or Mid, how did they compare power and feel wise to the PS 95 you like?

Gary Britt

BreakPoint
07-15-2005, 11:41 PM
Gary,
I've hit with the POD Mid in the past. Very nice stick, very solid feeling. Has a similar "old school" feel as the PS 6.0 95. I thought the POG Mid was a bit better for groundstrokes due to the extra swingweight, but the PS 6.0 95 better for serves and for volleys due to the more headlight balance and better maneuverability. Thus, overall, I chose the PS 6.0 95 because I thought it suited my game better.

Phil
07-16-2005, 02:24 AM
I do agree with newnuse that the RDX 500 feels cheap, pingy, and somewhat harsh.

Totally agree...it felt like playing with a cracked frame. Complete piece of garbage.

federer_nadal
07-16-2005, 02:58 AM
hey phil what racquet do you use?

Phil
07-16-2005, 03:26 AM
hey phil what racquet do you use?

Head Prestige Classic.

Gary Britt
07-16-2005, 09:23 AM
Gary,
I've hit with the POD Mid in the past. Very nice stick, very solid feeling. Has a similar "old school" feel as the PS 6.0 95. I thought the POG Mid was a bit better for groundstrokes due to the extra swingweight, but the PS 6.0 95 better for serves and for volleys due to the more headlight balance and better maneuverability. Thus, overall, I chose the PS 6.0 95 because I thought it suited my game better.

How do you think the POG O/S would compare to the PS 6.0 95??

Thanks,

Gary

thejerk
07-16-2005, 12:39 PM
prestige classic is to butter as the pog mid is to margerine. It ain't butter. The pog mid is solid but harsh. The first time i hit with a pog mid i thought it was the most solid stock frame ever. That was before i hit with a dozen other rackets. Pc600 is so buttery that even though i hit better with other sticks the feel of the pc600 draws me back.

kv581
07-16-2005, 12:57 PM
How do you think the POG O/S would compare to the PS 6.0 95??

Thanks,

Gary

Gary, I've demoed PS 6.0 95 and POG OS. I liked POG OS immediately; huge sweetspot, excellent power, and not too lumbersome. Big groundstrokes, good serves (serving with POG OS doesn't bother me but others disagree), and okay at net.

By contrast, I had to dig a bit to appreciate PS 6.0 95. It swings lighter than POG OS and serves just as well (but again, POG OS doesn't bother me on serves the way it bothers some people... I suspect these players may rank PS 6.0 over POG OS on serves). PS 6.0 volleys very well and is very maneuverable at net. Groundstrokes aren't bad, but I was not nearly as confident with it as I was with POG OS.

As far as feel goes...PS 6.0 feels soft if you hit the sweetspot consistently, but can be a bit harsh outside of it. POG OS is also sweet, but somehow is not as harsh on mis-hits. Both racquet feel "raw" compared to more recent racquet (ie. less dampening technology).

PS 6.0 95 better suits S&Vers. POG OS for baseliners. If you have an allcourt style, then either one will do. I felt that neither racquet is so slanted toward one style that it cannot be effectively used by an allcourter.

Gary Britt
07-16-2005, 02:35 PM
Gary, I've demoed PS 6.0 95 and POG OS. I liked POG OS immediately; huge sweetspot, excellent power, and not too lumbersome. Big groundstrokes, good serves (serving with POG OS doesn't bother me but others disagree), and okay at net.
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OK Thanks Kv. Do you get the feeling of the ball sinking into the strings/racquet with the POG O/S?

Did you get that feeling with the PS 6.0 95?

Gary Britt

POGO
07-16-2005, 02:52 PM
OK Thanks Kv. Do you get the feeling of the ball sinking into the strings/racquet with the POG O/S?

Did you get that feeling with the PS 6.0 95?

Gary Britt
If you are looking for a racket with excellent cupping of the ball, then the RD-7 is the one to consider. :)

kv581
07-16-2005, 03:22 PM
OK Thanks Kv. Do you get the feeling of the ball sinking into the strings/racquet with the POG O/S?

Did you get that feeling with the PS 6.0 95?

Gary Britt
Hmm... of the two, I think POG OS has a bit more of that cupping feel than PS 6.0, but honestly neither one really stands out in this regard. For cupping, I thought LM Prestige MP is a good example. Both POG OS and PS 6.0 95 felt crisper to me.

eteo
07-17-2005, 09:59 PM
Prince O3 Red?

tschevap
07-17-2005, 10:52 PM
The new Yonex RQ7 - as a long time RD7 user i can say, this one comes really close. Very soft in the sweetspot...

Deuce
07-17-2005, 11:26 PM
Those who consider the POG Mid as being soft and/or buttery must have a large crack or two in their POG. That frame is one of the stiffest and most uncomfortable I've hit with.

For soft & buttery, I'm glad to see that some have mentioned the Prestige Pro/Classic/Tour/Classic Mid, Pro Tour 280, Max 200G, and Vac Pro 90.

I would add to the list the original Volkl Catapult 10 - has a very nice, 'old' feeling to it.

POGO
07-18-2005, 05:00 AM
The new Yonex RQ7 - as a long time RD7 user i can say, this one comes really close. Very soft in the sweetspot...
hmmmmmmmm......Ithink I'll demo the RQ7. I haven't found a new yonex that compares to my rd-7s.

Pushmaster
07-18-2005, 07:57 AM
Buttery smooth?

Wilson PS 6.0 95
BP, I know your a big fan of the PS 6.0 95 and rightfully so, but I'd never describe it as being buttery, smooth, or soft. My Prestige Tour's would fall into that "buttery" catagory, but the 6.0 95 has a more stiffer feel to it. Words that come to mind with the 6.0 95 are solid, crisp and raw, the exact opposite of "buttery smooth" IMO. In fact I'm trying to get away from these "mushy" type of racquets, that's one of the main reasons why I'm switching over to the 6.0.

Dedans Penthouse
07-18-2005, 08:54 AM
Smooth: Head Classic (the red one), Dunlop 200MW

Soft: Volkl C10 Pro

Buttery: Maria Schneider in "Last Tango in Paris"

Gary Britt
07-18-2005, 07:38 PM
Buttery: Maria Schneider in "Last Tango in Paris"

LOL, the young'ins will have to rent to DVD to figure that one out.

Gary Britt

kreative
07-18-2005, 11:43 PM
fischer pro 1, dunlop max 200g, estusa power beam pro, puma boris becker, head prestige tour, head pt630

Adam_B
07-19-2005, 02:24 AM
Hi

Would say Fischer PRO 1 FT, but - the "European" version, i.e. 325 g unstrung.

Recently I've demoed a bunch of raquets, following useful hints I found on this message board. Unfortunately couldn't demo the Yonex MP tour 5, but nevertheless I don't believe it could match the Fischer in terms of stable response, "smoothness" and feel.

adam

KJapaniarDS
07-19-2005, 02:58 AM
The one and only...my Yonex Super RD Tour 90.

brian.sat
07-19-2005, 12:22 PM
POG Mid.

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It is stiff

ormurray
07-19-2005, 12:27 PM
The O3 Tour is pretty soft and buttery.

fishuuuuu
07-19-2005, 01:07 PM
Pretty much skipped to the end here.

Have to agree the Prince O3 Tour is the smoothest and most buttery not to mention soft even mushy feeling.

POGO
07-19-2005, 01:09 PM
fishuuuuuuuu,

weren't you using prince warriors?

FiveO
07-19-2005, 01:27 PM
Just a question for those who described the RDX 500 mid as harsh and pingy. Just wondering what the frames were strung with and at what tension. Also, what do you guys play with f/t that may have led to your feelings about about the RDX.

My progression of "modern" frames has been:

Wilson PS 6.0 85 (forever)
Prince Precision Response Ti (last 3 years)
RDX 500 mid (from end of last year to present)

Always strung at the upper tension range with the string in my sig or similar.

Again, this is not a challenge, just interested in your thoughts and if the strings or your f/t frames effected your impressions.

FiveO

USCfan
07-19-2005, 05:45 PM
Volkl C10 MP.

fishuuuuu
07-19-2005, 07:35 PM
In the last 6 months I've floated from racquet to racquet.

Prince Triple Threat Warriors MP and OS
Prince O3 Tour MP
Head Prestige MP
Head Radical MP

I'd definitely have to rate O3 Tour and Prestige at the very top of these as far as the buttery feeling goes, with the O3 Tour on top.

String selection though is vital.

FREDDY
07-19-2005, 07:35 PM
id say the O3 tour

ATXtennisaddict
07-20-2005, 05:16 AM
What does "buttery" mean anyway? Can someone describe it?

Guillote
07-20-2005, 05:23 AM
The feeling of hitting with butter... extremely soft... as opposite of hitting with a baseball bat (call it a PD).

Greetings everyone.

Bora
07-20-2005, 11:10 AM
Fischer Pro Tour MP Ti, the red one. Yonex RDX 500 Mid, Yonex MP Tour 5.

goosala
07-20-2005, 11:21 PM
Those who think the Pro Staff 85 is buttery are crazy. The word to describe that frame is jarring. The POG 93 is what I consider a medium flex frame say a 7 out of 10. The Pro Staff 85 feels very stiff compared to the POG 93. I have owned two Pro Staffs, two POG 93's, two Volkl C10's, three Tour 90's, and two RDX 500 mids. The Yonex frames are the most flexible while the Pro Staffs are the stiffest. If I were to engineer the perfect racquet I would make it 70% graphite, 20% Kevlar, and 10% fiberglass. My only complaint of the Pro Staff was that it was a little stiff. This would be the butter that I would use to earn my bread.

Deuce
07-20-2005, 11:52 PM
Goosala wrote:
"The POG 93 is what I consider a medium flex frame say a 7 out of 10. The Pro Staff 85 feels very stiff compared to the POG 93."

I know that 'feeling' and racquet preference are subjective things, but I was just wondering... what planet do you play your tennis on? To produce such an opinion, it is surely one with a very different atmosphere than Earth.

fishuuuuu
07-21-2005, 03:55 AM
No, probably plays on the same world as us. Just never with those two racquets =]

armand
08-14-2005, 09:02 PM
A buncha people here say they hated the RDX500 mid and another bunch saying they loved it. I also read in another thread that RDX500s differ depending on what the grip size is. Perhaps the difference of opinion can be attributed to the grip size?
So all those who've tried the RDX500mid state whether you liked it or hated(buttery+smooth or whatever) and state yo' grip size!

slice bh compliment
08-14-2005, 09:09 PM
rdx5oo mid = margarine.
Volkl tour 10 v mid....most Volkl 10s = so buttery.
Dunlop Max 200G (original) = 'loik buttah'.
Dunlop Maxply with fresh VS gut at 55 pounds = extra virgin olive oil [1st cold press].

Elenkov
08-14-2005, 10:38 PM
Yonex RDX 500 Mid is as buttery as u can get. i hated that gd raquet. i can't believe i own it. i think im gonna go on the street and break it in half after i'm done posting this.

LafayetteHitter
08-14-2005, 10:47 PM
Last week I hit with what I felt was a really buttery smooth racquet. The Prokennex Ceramic Silver Ace. My buddy has one and it is just really smooth, which I did not expect from a ceramic racquet, I am sure the fiberglass plays a large part in this feel. Has anyone hit with the original Silver Ace to know if it has the same buttery feel.

BreakPoint
08-14-2005, 11:16 PM
I tried to switch from my Dunlop Maxply Forts to the Silver Ace when it first came out. I had two of them. It turned out the Silver Ace was just too powerful for me so I went back to my Maxply woodies. I'm sure at the time, compared to the Maxply, the Silver Ace must have felt incredibly stiff to me, since the Maxply was a wet noodle by today's standards. And also by today's standards, the Sliver Ace would be like butter, I'm sure.

galain
08-15-2005, 12:08 AM
Strange - I was knocking around with my Silver Ace just this weekend. It's still quite a powerful stick and it certainly isn't "buttery" - although in my world I'm going to compare everything to the frames Rossignol made in the 80's - so not many things will be buttery.

The Silver Ace is a "solid" frame that will give you what you put into it. It's not soft though, but it aint as stiff as the POG either.

!<-_->!
08-15-2005, 12:12 AM
Fischer Pro. 1. Even when it's strung with polyester, it still plays fairly soft and smooth. Wonder how'd it feel with something softer and less harsh. Also, Head PT 280 played soft.

slice bh compliment
08-15-2005, 06:37 AM
Yonex RDX 500 Mid is as buttery as u can get. i hated that gd raquet. i can't believe i own it. i think im gonna go on the street and break it in half after i'm done posting this.

Man, don't break it!
Give it away...or put it in a double boiler and drizzle it over some seafood.

djones
08-15-2005, 06:48 AM
Head Pro Tour 630 feels very soft, too soft for my liking, as if the racquet bends, which just feels as if I can't control the ball.

jck01
08-19-2005, 08:26 AM
Volkl C-10 Pro and Head Pro Tour 280.

Keifers
08-19-2005, 08:29 AM
I hit with my Head Ti.Classic yesterday. Very smooth!

Jeet
08-19-2005, 08:30 AM
Fischer Pro #1 FT

Slice Approach
08-19-2005, 02:08 PM
Wilson PS 6.0 St Vincent. My friend has one and even strung at 68lbs it has an incredibly soft feel.

TripleTennisBumB
08-19-2005, 03:17 PM
Totally agree...it felt like playing with a cracked frame. Complete piece of garbage.

Why Philly, I would disagree with you, yes I would.

TripleTennisBumB

tguru
08-19-2005, 09:46 PM
Volkl V1 Classic
Prince Precision Response 660