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Tammo
08-22-2011, 06:22 PM
With Nadal in a slump after his multiple loses to Djokovic, he just doesn't have the confidence any more. If he is losing to guys like Dodig he won't get through the first week.

Djokovic is wiped out, and probably has the second best chance at winning of the top 4. Still, he needs to rest a lot to have a chance.

Federer, can't seem to handle the power the big guys bring. He lost to Tsonga and Berdych. And those two have HUGE serves and FH's. And I also honestly don't think Federer can put 7 wins together over 2 weeks.

With the top 3 are like that I think Murray has a great shot at the title. After his run to the Cincy title, and not losing a set that should give him tons of confidence.


I guess I should say something about Fish cause he's been playing really good tennis this summer. If he and Murray are on opposite sides of the draw then I think they will both get to the finals.

veroniquem
08-22-2011, 06:25 PM
Let's say: this year seems to be the best chance Murray will ever have. Let's see what he does with it.

OTMPut
08-22-2011, 06:37 PM
slams -> different ball game.

my money is still on fed-rafa-djoker triad. djoker is no.3. because of the purported shoulder issue. it may flare up again during the open, who knows.

murray has the game, but he has a pea sized heart. that is the issue. that is something that cannot be coached off.

all these so called big hitters are one match wonders. they win a match against fed and retire in the next match or do not show up again on the tour for a season. they are like bank stocks.

Clarky21
08-22-2011, 06:41 PM
I think Murray will make the final and lose to the obvious winner Djokovic. Nobody is beating Novak at the USO. It's just wishful thinking to say otherwise.

TennisFan3
08-22-2011, 06:41 PM
Seriously OP. In what universe does Murray have a better chance than Djoko?

Are you trying to troll? In which case I apologize.. ( I have nothing against the occasional trolling threads for fun..)

TTMR
08-22-2011, 06:47 PM
If Djokovic's injury/exhaustion persist, I'd easily pick Nadal as the favourite. The guy has bounced back from worse, and he will want to defend that title. If he splits the 2011 slams with Djokovic, he knows he has effectively repudiated Djokovic's case for best season in tennis history.

I do agree, this is Murray's best chance to win a slam in some time, perhaps ever. But although he is my favourite player, he has come up short so many times when he shouldn't have, it's hard to put him in the same league as those two. You just never know when Murray's error-prone doppelganger will appear. Nevertheless, I would still place him above Federer at this point, as I see Murray matching up much better against big hitters like Tsonga and Berdych.

I could see Berdych having a Del Potro-like run. Perhaps this is the year someone comes out of nowhere to win like he did.

als47
08-22-2011, 06:51 PM
I wouldn't assume that any apparent injury or weakness in the top 3 is going to be present in the US Open. Murray won't assume that either, if he knows what's good for him.

Mighty Matteo
08-22-2011, 06:52 PM
federer has a great opportunity to take advantage of this. With his 2 main rivals in less than perfect form, all there is left is andy murray. we have already seen twice what happens when there is only andy murray between roger and another slam. I think that he will come to this US Open feeling as if he has as great a chance as anyone.

NadalAgassi
08-22-2011, 06:55 PM
With Djokovic's injury and possible fatigue I give Murray and Djokovic about equal chances to win the U.S Open. Maybe I am overestimating Djokovic's physical problems though in which case Djokovic is still the heavy favorite. Federer and Nadal are roughly joint third favorite, WAY behind both Djokovic and Murray right now. Nadal has lost all his confidence since Wimbledon it seems, yeah I dont read too much into Masters losses but usually he plays decently even in the losses and it is much harder to beat him in a best of 5, but right now he looks like he is wandering a bit. Federer can fall to any big hitter on a hot patch right now.


So:


Djokovic (if healthy and refreshed)





Murrray (and Djokovic if not physically 100%)





Federer and Nadal





Everyone else including the new hype machine Fish et al

Bryan Swartz
08-22-2011, 07:14 PM
Murray did well to win Cincinatti, but it's ridiculous IMO not to have Djokovic as the outright favorite. I don't think we know anything medically that would indicate his shoulder won't be ready, and if it's even close everyone else has an uphill battle.

Bud
08-22-2011, 07:17 PM
Murray is my choice to win in 2011 :)

Seriously OP. In what universe does Murray have a better chance than Djoko?

Are you trying to troll? In which case I apologize.. ( I have nothing against the occasional trolling threads for fun..)

Please remove the rose-tinted ********* glasses. You always claim to be realistic and brutally honest about Nadal. Do the same for Djokovic. He's looked less than stellar for the past couple of weeks and Murray walked all over him in Cincy (before and after his apparent shoulder injury).

If Djokovic meets Murray in the SF, IMO Djok is toast... especially if its a really hot and humid day match. Nadal and/or Federer will most likely be the night match.

TennisFan3
08-22-2011, 07:26 PM
Murray is my choice to win in 2011 :)
Please remove the rose-tinted ********* glasses. You always claim to be realistic and brutally honest about Nadal. Do the same for Djokovic. He's looked less than stellar for the past couple of weeks and Murray walked all over him in Cincy (before and after his apparent shoulder injury).


Buddy. I know that Murray CAN beat Djokovic. In fact he might be the BEST equipped player in ATP (besides Fed) to be able to do so.

But Murray becomes this unrecognizable zombie in slam finals. So if Murray and Djoko land in opposite halves (as has been the case for the last 20 slams or), then Murray can't meet him in the final (where he will be toast anyway).

However, if Murray and Djoko are placed in the same half, then Murray needs to make the SF, which he hasn't in the last 2 years in NY. But yeah, IF (and it's a big if) Muzz makes the SF against Djoko, he's got a GOOD shot of beating him.

Outside of the second scenario, I think Djoko wins in all others..

OddJack
08-22-2011, 07:33 PM
hmmm

This is the worst I have ever seen Nadal fans budge

All the Nadalies losing hope him having a shot at it again.

Why? because he said Djok is in his head?
Because he lost to Dodig?

Because he plays like crap in his last two tournies? He lost to Baghy last year in Q too.

He has showed time and again he can have a poor start at a major and end up winning it. Just like Rodge has.

Chill out Nadalites, its not that bad

tennisenthusiast
08-22-2011, 07:36 PM
In my opinion, Mardy Fish is going to lift US Open.

racquetfreak
08-22-2011, 07:37 PM
i don't see murray beating any ofthe top three in the uso. his "win" wasn't all that impressive in cicinnati and gives little cause to expect him to dominate.

Clay lover
08-22-2011, 07:38 PM
Great. Now you've jinxed him. whenever we get those Murray will win " " threads Murray ends up losing in all of them.

veroniquem
08-22-2011, 07:40 PM
To tennisenthusiast: The whole stadium? :shock:
What a man :)

Bud
08-22-2011, 07:41 PM
hmmm

This is the worst I have ever seen Nadal fans budge

All the Nadalies losing hope him having a shot at it again.

Why? because he said Djok is in his head?
Because he lost to Dodig?

Because he plays like crap in his last two tournies? He lost to Baghy last year in Q too.

He has showed time and again he can have a poor start at a major and end up winning it. Just like Rodge has.

Chill out Nadalites, its not that bad

In case you missed it, this thread isn't about Nadal OR Djokovic ;) It's about Murray

You're more obsessed with Nadal than his fans.

Tammo
08-22-2011, 07:48 PM
In my opinion, Mardy Fish is going to lift US Open.

That would be pretty awesome to. But he must get a great draw in order to do so.

Tammo
08-22-2011, 07:50 PM
Great. Now you've jinxed him. whenever we get those Murray will win " " threads Murray ends up losing in all of them.

I never said Murray would defiantly win, but IMO he has th best chance to win out of the top four. Someone like Tsonga or Berdych could very well win it.

MichaelNadal
08-22-2011, 07:51 PM
In case you missed it, this thread isn't about Nadal OR Djokovic ;) It's about Murray

You're more obsessed with Nadal than his fans.

That statement goes for a lot of people on here.

kevvycore
08-22-2011, 07:54 PM
o god another murray going to win a GS. every grand slam people claim hes going to win and every time loses early. he has no chance of winning. and if he by some chance does win dont call yourself geniuses for saying he was going to win. cuz if you keep calling it and then it happens doesnt mean you know anything.

OddJack
08-22-2011, 07:54 PM
In case you missed it, this thread isn't about Nadal OR Djokovic ;) It's about Murray

You're more obsessed with Nadal than his fans.

In case you missed it, Murray is playing in the same tournament Nadal is the defending champ at.

Obsess or not, it's fun to see whatever I say about your master bothers his fans
:)

Tammo
08-22-2011, 07:57 PM
o god another murray going to win a GS. every grand slam people claim hes going to win and every time loses early. he has no chance of winning. and if he by some chance does win dont call yourself geniuses for saying he was going to win. cuz if you keep calling it and then it happens doesnt mean you know anything.

Chill out, if you don't like Murray threads, then don't troll them. Oh, and I never said Murray will win, I just think he has the best chance out of the top 4

DeShaun
08-22-2011, 07:58 PM
Before Murray gets another chance at Djokovic, he probably will have to beat at least two other top ten players. Nobody has been pile-driving the top ten like Djokovic this year, so my money would be on the Serb.

Like I said before, all Murray did in Cincy was: 1. he came in extremely well rested; 2 he beat everyone that he was supposed to on his way to the semis; and 3 he he beat a very fatigued Fish in the semis, who had played more hardcourt matches in the north American heat than anyone else in the past month, and in the finals he toppled a worn out Nole who has played more matches period than anyone else in the past eight months. So, a very fresh Murray outworked a couple of physically overextended but quality opponents.


Murray picked up a little bit on momentum and that's good for him, but in my opinion he is nowhere near being the USO favorite anymore so than he was favored for riding a sweet winning streak into Wimbledon 2010. He has never had an abundance of the mettle needed for following up a win of this caliber with another of equal or greater value. He's composed when things are going his way but weak-minded when facing adversity, and he is likely to face a bit more adversity in Flushing than he did in Cincy.

Sentinel
08-22-2011, 08:04 PM
Another one of those "This is murray's best chance..." threads. Yawn !
Looking at Joker's current fatigue issue, wonder if he'll be able to play well on Sunday after super sat.

But i do hope Muzza wins.

Tammo
08-22-2011, 08:04 PM
Before Murray gets another chance at Djokovic, he probably will have to beat at least two other top ten players. Nobody has been pile-driving the top ten like Djokovic this year, so my money would be on the Serb.

But, Novak has 6 more days before the USO and maybe 7 if he starts on the 2nd day. He'll probably get there in 3 more days, then he'll practice for a few days. IMO that isn't enough time to rest after what he has been through.

FEDEXP
08-22-2011, 08:06 PM
Jeez, another crystal ball thread....amazing how some can see the future.

Tammo
08-22-2011, 08:06 PM
Another one of those "This is murray's best chance..." threads. Yawn !
Looking at Joker's current fatigue issue, wonder if he'll be able to play well on Sunday after super sat.

But i do hope Muzza wins.

So you hope he wins, but don't think he has the best chance? Then who does have the best chance?

Bud
08-22-2011, 08:34 PM
In case you missed it, Murray is playing in the same tournament Nadal is the defending champ at.

Obsess or not, it's fun to see whatever I say about your master bothers his fans
:)

It does nothing of the sort. However, post it in the correct thread :)

You constantly blab on about Nadal this Nadal that, you hate Nadal. We all get it.

DeShaun
08-22-2011, 08:48 PM
But, Novak has 6 more days before the USO and maybe 7 if he starts on the 2nd day. He'll probably get there in 3 more days, then he'll practice for a few days. IMO that isn't enough time to rest after what he has been through.

I think he'll be reinvigorated because, now that he's lost again, the quest for McEnroe's record may be weighing less on his mind. His pride should take over and carry him across the finish line in New York. He may be tired, but there really is not many players out there capable of working their way through a tough USO draw and then having enough fuel remaining to take out even a depleted Djokovic, but this is just my opinion and he would still need to reach the finals himself...I think if anyone could knock him off early, I'd put money on Donald Young.

OddJack
08-22-2011, 09:08 PM
It does nothing of the sort. However, post it in the correct thread :)

You constantly blab on about Nadal this Nadal that, you hate Nadal. We all get it.

At least I blab about Nadal,

But anything you say is actually a blab, no matter who or what :)

We all get it? how many of you behind the pc? You better talk about yourself, I dont think u get anything at all :)

nethawkwenatchee
08-22-2011, 09:24 PM
Murray is my choice to win in 2011 :)
If Djokovic meets Murray in the SF, IMO Djok is toast... especially if its a really hot and humid day match. Nadal and/or Federer will most likely be the night match.

I'm with you on this. I keep hearing comments about this being "Murray's best chance to win a slam" and I think he should be considered a major title contender at all four slams.

He's simply reaching his prime (as is Nole) and that is exactly what the difference is between these guys and the rest of the feild... They were contenders before reaching prime physical capibility... Now they are favorites all the time.

I'd say it looked to me as though this awesome run that Nole has been on has taken it's tole (the past few matches anyway) and Murray is simply to good to let up when a title is withen striking distance. I've said it before and it deserves repeating... Tennis is very much a game of attritian and Murray is looking awfully strong at the moment.

* I'd also point out that if Nole were to get full power back, get/stay healthy, keep focussed... he's still rightfully #1 and should be given full repect that he's earned over this stellar season! My money is on Murray if all goes as it appears.

Feņa14
08-22-2011, 09:40 PM
With Djokovic's injury and possible fatigue I give Murray and Djokovic about equal chances to win the U.S Open. Maybe I am overestimating Djokovic's physical problems though in which case Djokovic is still the heavy favorite. Federer and Nadal are roughly joint third favorite, WAY behind both Djokovic and Murray right now. Nadal has lost all his confidence since Wimbledon it seems, yeah I dont read too much into Masters losses but usually he plays decently even in the losses and it is much harder to beat him in a best of 5, but right now he looks like he is wandering a bit. Federer can fall to any big hitter on a hot patch right now.


So:


Djokovic (if healthy and refreshed)





Murrray (and Djokovic if not physically 100%)





Federer and Nadal





Everyone else including the new hype machine Fish et al

I agree with that, yeah.

I think Djokovic should be fine after a week of rest and an easy first week to the tournament. I think if he and Murray are on opposite sides of the draw they will meet in the final, with Djokovic winning in 4.

Federer seems susceptible to losing to a number of players, whilst Nadal might not be playing too well, the way he fights will get him deep into the second week.

NadalAgassi
08-22-2011, 09:47 PM
From a purely emotional perspective now though I am not a fan I would like to see Murray win. He deserves a slam with 7 Masters titles already, when even 0 Masters titles Del Potro has one. On the other hand Djokovic with his historic year deserves atleast 3 slams in a year. Nadal is my favorite so I would love to see him defend also, as relatively unlikely as it probably is right now. So as long as any of those three win I will be happy.

batz
08-23-2011, 01:51 AM
From a purely emotional perspective now though I am not a fan I would like to see Murray win. He deserves a slam with 7 Masters titles already, when even 0 Masters titles Del Potro has one. On the other hand Djokovic with his historic year deserves atleast 3 slams in a year. Nadal is my favorite so I would love to see him defend also, as relatively unlikely as it probably is right now. So as long as any of those three win I will be happy.

Your view on Murray has changed quite considerably over the course of this year - do you mind if I ask what's behind that? Is it because Murray has performed better at the slams of late? Thanks.

BTW I disagree with you on Murray's USO chances relative to Novak - I still see Novak as clear favourite followed by the defending champ, then the guy with lots of US Open titles, then Murray. He does have a shot though.

CocaCola
08-23-2011, 03:54 AM
We'll see if Djokovic is 100% fit for the USO. If he is, no chance for Murray. Anyway, despite his great run at Cincy I would still put his as fourth favourite.

Magnus
08-23-2011, 04:17 AM
I lold. I'd love Murray to win a slam but even Roger has a better chance than he does. Its a slam. Its Murray. It doesn't go together.

tennis_fan_182
08-23-2011, 04:38 AM
You'd be a total idiot not to assume a total Nadal-Djokovic slam duopoly for about, oh - FIVE YEARS at least.

It's a complete lock for either the Serb or the Spaniard.

All other players needn't even apply and those who think that since Murray scraped by a crippled Djokovic, he stands half a chance against a fully rejuvenated and healthy one are delusional to put it kindly.

Tony48
08-23-2011, 04:40 AM
Murray has definitely raised his game at the slams recently but I'd put him as the co-3rd favorite with Federer.

Bjorn99
08-23-2011, 04:43 AM
Murray is a very, very mobile TALL man. And therefore, more than anyone, he is an injury waiting to happen. He could lose in the first round due to injury, or go deep. Who knows?

Thanks to the 12 month schedule and spins that make players groins groan at night with pain, all these poor guys are virtual hospital cases. So to predict who is going to win is next to impossible now.

TopFH
08-23-2011, 04:48 AM
You'd be a total idiot not to assume a total Nadal-Djokovic slam duopoly for about, oh - FIVE YEARS at least.

It's a complete lock for either the Serb or the Spaniard.

All other players needn't even apply and those who think that since Murray scraped by a crippled Djokovic, he stands half a chance against a fully rejuvenated and healthy one are delusional to put it kindly.

Nadal won't even be playing in 5 years...

PSNELKE
08-23-2011, 04:49 AM
If he doesnīt grab the chance now, heīll probably never win a major..
I want him to take this one so badly. Cīmon Muzz

tacou
08-23-2011, 05:16 AM
Novak just got tired in Cinci. He's got 8 days off and a day of recovery after each match at USO.

Maybe if he has some tough matches, the second week might be a challenge...but no, Novak will be fine. Rafa and Roger will get their ish together and make QF easily, probably both SF.

I see top 4 in the semis, with perhaps 1 upset, and Novak is the heavy favorite

Feņa14
08-23-2011, 05:43 AM
Novak just got tired in Cinci. He's got 8 days off and a day of recovery after each match at USO.

Maybe if he has some tough matches, the second week might be a challenge...but no, Novak will be fine. Rafa and Roger will get their ish together and make QF easily, probably both SF.

I see top 4 in the semis, with perhaps 1 upset, and Novak is the heavy favorite

Whilst I agree Djokovic was no doubt tired, Murray had to play all his matches during the heat of the day, he was struggling alot with it in the semi's. Djokovic played most of his matches at night when it was cooler. Whilst it's a legitimate excuse for Djokovic with the sheer number of matches he's played, the last 2 meetings between the two players have been very tight. Murray came closer than most to beating Djokovic in Rome and he did play a good match against him to win in Cincy.

Djokovic would no doubt be a heavy favourite if they did meet in New York, but Murray is certainly a player who worries Djokovic.

Tammo
08-23-2011, 06:07 AM
(Murray looks the least injury prone out of Djokovic, Nadal, Murray. Nadal has been injured at 2 of the last 3 US Opens [2008 tendinitis, 2009 stomach tear] however and still did no worse than SFs)

It is not about injuries, but his confidence level has dropped tremendously.

Peters
08-23-2011, 06:31 AM
If Andy doesn't suffer any injuries then he has to be considered a contender.

Although I would disagree about him being a candidate for early GS knockout - this year he's really stepped up his early round GS consistency and I expect him to get to the SF without too many difficulties. It's the other events after GS losses where he seems to have problems in early rounds.

The current top 4 players are far enough ahead of the field to take those final 4 GS spots without problems these days. The only caveat being Federer perhaps starting to wane, but he should still get to the SF.

I fancy Andy to get to the final, and sooner or later I reckon he'll cross the finishing line. But he really needs to do it either here or at the Aus Open.

syc23
08-23-2011, 06:50 AM
I think it's between Djokovic and Murray.

Going by recent form, Roger and Rafa are both prone to getting blasted off the court by big hitters (you could say Murray too), Berdych/Soderling/Delpo and Isner can also cause problems for Rafa just like RG. When serves are on fire then anything can happen.

If Murray can stay healthy and try and finish matches early to conserve energy then he is well in with a shout, same for Novak if his shoulder holds up. The winner of the first SF on Super (bloody stupid) Saturday with the minimum of fuss will be at an advantage.

kishnabe
08-23-2011, 07:21 AM
(Nadal has played 63 matches, Djokovic 60)

Djokovic got further than Nadal in all those events except MC and RG.
Though they played a huge bulk of finals.....Djokovic has been more tired because he stayed the course till the last sunday or saturday.

veroniquem
08-23-2011, 07:35 AM
Yes, Rafa played 2 more tournaments (21) than Djoko, Fed and Murray (19). Rafa plays too much. :(

celoft
08-23-2011, 09:26 AM
Murray is at the moment the freshest both mentally and physically of all the top 4 players. This could give him the edge.

Telepatic
08-23-2011, 10:13 AM
I like how people underestimate Rafito for a slam (as defending champion too).

Homeboy Hotel
08-23-2011, 10:16 AM
I like how people underestimate Rafito for a slam (as defending champion too).

Yep. Because he's shown no decent hard court form this fall and will struggle without a serve and a backhand. And no confidence.

SF? Yes.
F or W? Meh.

coloskier
08-23-2011, 10:36 AM
I don't see Berdych being a problem for anyone at the USO. He is retiring in best 2 of 3 matches. What makes anyone think it won't happen in best 3 of 5? Djoker has played too much tennis in the past few months and it showed in Cinci. Nadal is not mentally there right now and has some niggling injuries that will become even worse on the USO hardcourt. If Fed doesn't have to face Tsonga, Berdych, or another big hitter in the draw, this could easily become GS #17 for him. Plus, it looks like Tsonga and Berdych are hurt, too. And in best 3 of 5 neither Tsonga or Berdych will be able to stay in god mode for 3 sets like they can in best 2 of 3.

TennisCJC
08-23-2011, 12:07 PM
Djoko: still favorite if shoulder OK
Federer and Murray: best change to win against Djoko; don't count Federer out as he knows how to win GSlams
Nadal: out by semi's
Tsonga: long shot
Berdych: very long shot
Soderling: very long shot
Fish: very long shot

TennisCJC
08-23-2011, 12:09 PM
I don't see Berdych being a problem for anyone at the USO. He is retiring in best 2 of 3 matches. What makes anyone think it won't happen in best 3 of 5? Djoker has played too much tennis in the past few months and it showed in Cinci. Nadal is not mentally there right now and has some niggling injuries that will become even worse on the USO hardcourt. If Fed doesn't have to face Tsonga, Berdych, or another big hitter in the draw, this could easily become GS #17 for him. Plus, it looks like Tsonga and Berdych are hurt, too. And in best 3 of 5 neither Tsonga or Berdych will be able to stay in god mode for 3 sets like they can in best 2 of 3.

Didn't Djoko have almost a month off to prep for summer hardcourt season? I don't think he played anything since Wimby. Maybe he is practicing/training too hard or pressure of streak is too much, but he should have had time to rest.

Clarky21
08-23-2011, 09:11 PM
(So if Federer is in Nadal's half, you still have Federer as a higher favorite than Nadal? :lol:)

I know I do.

NadalAgassi
08-23-2011, 09:14 PM
I know I do.

If Federer and Nadal play each other anywhere but indoors Nadal will still win even now IMO. I can see why some would think Federer should win now, especialy on a fast hard court, but Federer is mentally incredibly weak when it comes to playing Nadal, always has been. Also as much of a mess as Nadal is righ tnow, Federer isnt exactly doing better at the moment. He is regularly getting badly outclassed, including in big slam matches in the last year or two, by ball bashers like Tsonga and Berdych who in his prime he would dress down with relative ease.

jokinla
08-23-2011, 09:59 PM
This years is shaping up to be the most wide open in years, with Nadal slumping, Djoker playing great, but he has got to get tired mentally/physically at some point, Murray is always tired mentally at the slams, and Fed, well with the right draw it wouldn't surprise me to see him on the last Sunday, but that could be said for any of the top 4.

Laver777
08-24-2011, 04:47 AM
Didn't Djoko have almost a month off to prep for summer hardcourt season? I don't think he played anything since Wimby. Maybe he is practicing/training too hard or pressure of streak is too much, but he should have had time to rest.

also thought they had a pretty decent break after wimbledon

Marius_Hancu
08-24-2011, 04:52 AM
OP: you may be right

batz
08-24-2011, 05:11 AM
(Nadal slumping? Nadal struggled at last year's Canada and Cincy Masters too. This year he's played better actually, serving much much much better than last year. And he made the final of Wimbledon by beating Del Potro and Murray. And won Roland Garros before that. Where is the slump?)

C'mon mate - you can argue that Rafa is still a major threat at the USO (and for the record I'd agree with you) - but Rafa is clearly in a different place to where he was this time last year.

This time last year he wasn't the 2nd best player in the world.

This time last year he wasn't Wimbledon runner up.

This time last year he hadn't lost 5 straight finals to a Serbian guy.

jokinla
08-24-2011, 07:04 AM
(Nadal slumping? Nadal struggled at last year's Canada and Cincy Masters too. This year he's played better actually, serving much much much better than last year. And he made the final of Wimbledon by beating Del Potro and Murray. And won Roland Garros before that. Where is the slump?)

This time last year he hadn't lost every final he'd played against Djoker, he had won the last two slams, and last year he was building towards the US Open, this year he is limping to the US Open with a loss to Dodig?

Clarky21
08-24-2011, 08:09 AM
(I don't see the relevance. He served far better at Cincy this year than last year)

No he didn't. He hasn't served well all year long. You are in denial.

SStrikerR
08-24-2011, 08:15 AM
No, Murray is finished. Lrn2read
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=392109

Cup8489
08-24-2011, 08:18 AM
(I don't see the relevance. He served far better at Cincy this year than last year)

didnt he lose earlier this year in the summer hardcourt swing than last year..? I thought last year he made semi's of Cincy.. but this year he fell earlier than this.

Anyone who isn't biased delusional can see plainly enough that Nadal is struggling with his confidence. He doesn't look like he's enjoying it this year. A year ago, he was geared up and ready to take the USO, riding a gigantic high of a summer..

This year, the FO probably feels more like a gift than a victory. He was lucky he didn't get Djokovic in the final, otherwise He would be runner up there as well.

Please try to be less delusional.. you're only making a fool of yourself.

als47
08-24-2011, 08:26 AM
I love Murray, man. I would dearly love to see him bring out his best game when it matters and prove his doubters wrong. But much as I enjoy the guy, in no way can he be considered the guy with the best chance out of the top four. He hasn't won a slam yet, and all of the others have. That's a huge confidence hill to climb.

But just like every other slam, I'll be cheering for him all the way.

Clarky21
08-24-2011, 08:28 AM
didnt he lose earlier this year in the summer hardcourt swing than last year..? I thought last year he made semi's of Cincy.. but this year he fell earlier than this.

Anyone who isn't biased delusional can see plainly enough that Nadal is struggling with his confidence. He doesn't look like he's enjoying it this year. A year ago, he was geared up and ready to take the USO, riding a gigantic high of a summer..

This year, the FO probably feels more like a gift than a victory. He was lucky he didn't get Djokovic in the final, otherwise He would be runner up there as well.

Please try to be less delusional.. you're only making a fool of yourself.

Nadal made the quarters at Cinci last year,and made the semis at Roger's Cup.

Nadal should thank Federer profusely for allowing him to win a slam this year or else he would have gone slamless. I also agree with you about Nadal not looking like he's enjoying tennis this year. He looks like he would rather be anywhere else than on a tennis court. ********* is a **** in deep,deep denial. There is no convincing him.

TTMR
08-24-2011, 08:36 AM
I think everyone in this thread is going to be pretty disappointed if (when) we end up with another Nadal vs. Djokovic final.

CDestroyer
08-24-2011, 08:38 AM
I think everyone in this thread is going to be pretty disappointed if (when) we end up with another Nadal vs. Djokovic final.

Nadal is going out early. His confidence has been in the tank for months.

glazkovss
08-24-2011, 09:08 AM
Here is my take:

Top favourites:
Federer: for his record at the Open and for his title drought which has to end sometime.
Murray: for his victory at Cinci and for his good record in majors this year.

Lesser favourites:
Djokovic, who is clearly exhausted (if not injured) physically and mentally.
Nadal's poor results on HC is no surprise, but last year he at least had confidence from Wimbledon and great claycourt season, which is not the case this year. He also had a favourable draw last year.

Outside favourites:
Fish, Tsonga

Dangerous floaters:
DelPo, Harrison, Isner,...

jokinla
08-24-2011, 09:46 AM
(Familiar with the 2009 US Open by any chance? Shattered mentally due to family problems [and loss of Roland Garros] and stomach muscle so damaged that his average 1st serve was 107mph vs Del Potro and similarly slow throughout the event. Yet still reached the Semis [despite a difficult draw, defeating Gonzo and Monfils both rather easily], without even being stretched to 5 sets. US Open is perhaps Nadal's easiest slam when it comes to advancing through to the semis each year - sorry to disappoint)

Nadal has been consistently destroying EVERYONE at the French for 6 of the last 7 years, at Wimbledon he has played 5 of the last 6 finals, and at the US Open he has made 3 semis, but somehow the US Open is the easiest slam for him to make the semis, okay.

jokinla
08-24-2011, 09:55 AM
(I don't see the relevance. He served far better at Cincy this year than last year)

What would be irrelevant, would be if he DID serve better this year versus last, because last year he won everything, and this year he has lost everything, BUT he didn't serve better this year at Cincy, so your post would be where you won't find any relevance.

Clarky21
08-24-2011, 10:12 AM
(But right now, after being taken to 5 sets by Isner at Roland Garros, and struggling overall, I would put the US Open ahead of Roland Garros when it comes to easing through the early rounds.



Last year at Cincy was the worst Nadal had served since the 2009 stomach injury. This year, Nadal served FAR better at Cincy, at his 2010 US Open speed already)

Do you have the stats to back up your claim that he served better this year at Cinci?

veroniquem
08-24-2011, 10:26 AM
(Familiar with the 2009 US Open by any chance? Shattered mentally due to family problems [and loss of Roland Garros] and stomach muscle so damaged that his average 1st serve was 107mph vs Del Potro and similarly slow throughout the event. Yet still reached the Semis [despite a difficult draw, defeating Gonzo and Monfils both rather easily], without even being stretched to 5 sets. US Open is perhaps Nadal's easiest slam when it comes to advancing through to the semis each year - sorry to disappoint)



I would love to agree with you but in 2009 and 2010, Rafa made quarter and semi before the USO, not the same as opening round and quarter. I'm still hoping he will roar back at USO of course but I know his current level of confidence is not what it was in the last few years, even in 2009 because in 2009 he got defeated by his knee not by 1 particular opponent pounding him and progressively eroding his self-belief. It affects his confidence in a completely different manner, which is why I find it hard to anticipate the near future right now because it's obvious he's experiencing something mentally that he has never gone through before. When has Rafa ever lost 2 finals on clay in straight sets? When has he lost 5 finals to the same guy in slams and masters? It's unprecedented in his career and it's still not clear what will happen next. Hopefully, he'll put all that behind him and come back strong but I still think the situation is quite different from what it was in 2009 and 2010 (and even 2007 when he lost W in a tough 5 setter).

jokinla
08-24-2011, 11:11 AM
(But right now, after being taken to 5 sets by Isner at Roland Garros, and struggling overall, I would put the US Open ahead of Roland Garros when it comes to easing through the early rounds.



Last year at Cincy was the worst Nadal had served since the 2009 stomach injury. This year, Nadal served FAR better at Cincy, at his 2010 US Open speed already)

Congratulations, you get that he is struggling this year, thus being pushed to 5 at the French, where he usually cruises, but to say that because of this one 5 setter, that now the US Open is suddenly easier for him, is ********, especially since we haven't even seen his performance at this years Open, which I'm fairly certain won't end with him raising the trophy, and if it does, it won't be surprising if there is a 5 setter in there somewhere.
And as to this bogus claim about his serve, explain to me how this superior serve, netted him a loss to Dodig, and two hard fought wins in Cincy, versus last year, where his serve is what won him the Open?

CDestroyer
08-24-2011, 11:16 AM
(Familiar with the 2009 US Open by any chance? Shattered mentally due to family problems [and loss of Roland Garros] and stomach muscle so damaged that his average 1st serve was 107mph vs Del Potro and similarly slow throughout the event. Yet still reached the Semis [despite a difficult draw, defeating Gonzo and Monfils both rather easily], without even being stretched to 5 sets. US Open is perhaps Nadal's easiest slam when it comes to advancing through to the semis each year - sorry to disappoint)

We will see twink.

Tammo
08-24-2011, 01:13 PM
What would be irrelevant, would be if he DID serve better this year versus last, because last year he won everything, and this year he has lost everything, BUT he didn't serve better this year at Cincy, so your post would be where you won't find any relevance.

That is one of the major factors why Nadal won the Open. The serve took everyone by suprise. His opponents were shocked that they got aced by him.

celoft
08-24-2011, 01:26 PM
Nadal made the quarters at Cinci last year,and made the semis at Roger's Cup.

Nadal should thank Federer profusely for allowing him to win a slam this year or else he would have gone slamless. I also agree with you about Nadal not looking like he's enjoying tennis this year. He looks like he would rather be anywhere else than on a tennis court. ********* is a **** in deep,deep denial. There is no convincing him.

Nadal needs to send Fed a very expensive gift for saving his year.

Tammo
08-24-2011, 01:30 PM
Here is my take:

Top favourites:
Federer: for his record at the Open and for his title drought which has to end sometime.
Murray: for his victory at Cinci and for his good record in majors this year.

Lesser favourites:
Djokovic, who is clearly exhausted (if not injured) physically and mentally.
Nadal's poor results on HC is no surprise, but last year he at least had confidence from Wimbledon and great claycourt season, which is not the case this year. He also had a favourable draw last year.

Outside favourites:
Fish, Tsonga

Dangerous floaters:
DelPo, Harrison, Isner,...

How can Federer be the favorite? He's only won one tourney this year, and that was a 250. The fav's IMO are Djokovic and Murray.

celoft
08-24-2011, 01:46 PM
How can Federer be the favorite? He's only won one tourney this year, and that was a 250. The fav's IMO are Djokovic and Murray.

Djoko and Murray are the faves. No doubt.

Pacific3000
08-24-2011, 02:00 PM
Listen, gingers don't win majors. Sorry gingers.

batz
08-24-2011, 02:02 PM
Listen, gingers don't win majors. Sorry gingers.

Ginger? Meh. Murray is positively swarthy in comparison to most of his freckled, palid, 'hair like a child's painting of fire' compatriots.


Anyhoo, have you seen Jim Courier?