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Tennis_Monk
08-22-2011, 07:39 PM
Assuming their careers ended now, who had a better career?

Andy Stephen Roddick or
Lleyton Glynn Hewitt

rossi46
08-22-2011, 07:53 PM
Hewitt, +1 major v Andy and weeks at no 1. They both had to tough it out against that guy Federer.

spiderman123
08-22-2011, 08:04 PM
Hewitt, +1 major v Andy and weeks at no 1. They both had to tough it out against that guy Federer.

Hewitt sneaked in a Wimbledon though. makes a huge difference. Roddick missed three good chances with one of them being so close that I (and many others) believe that one high backhand volley all that stood between him and the title.

rossi46
08-22-2011, 08:11 PM
Hewitt sneaked in a Wimbledon though. makes a huge difference. Roddick missed three good chances with one of them being so close that I (and many others) believe that one high backhand volley all that stood between him and the title.

True, but to beat Pete in his backyard more than makes up for it.

Tennis_Monk
08-22-2011, 08:15 PM
True, but to beat Pete in his backyard more than makes up for it.

I thought Pete's backyard is Wimbledon more and less Newyork. am i incorrect?

mellowyellow
08-22-2011, 08:16 PM
True, but to beat Pete in his backyard more than makes up for it.
what????????

mellowyellow
08-22-2011, 08:17 PM
I thought Pete's backyard is Wimbledon more and less Newyork. am i incorrect?
yes you are. The Wimby win was the direction the discussion was in too....

westside
08-22-2011, 08:22 PM
Hewitt.

Next

ledwix
08-22-2011, 10:12 PM
Slams and years ended at #1 are the biggest things to me. So Hewitt obviously dominates there by doubling Roddick's scores.

Bartelby
08-22-2011, 10:31 PM
Yes, but who has a better middle name?

rossi46
08-22-2011, 10:34 PM
Slams and years ended at #1 are the biggest things to me. So Hewitt obviously dominates there by doubling Roddick's scores.

Couldn't agree more

ledwix
08-22-2011, 10:35 PM
Roddick was in the top 10 for longer and made a couple more finals, but he would probably trade all those losses to Federer for the one more major that Hewitt has.

NadalAgassi
08-22-2011, 10:44 PM
Hewitt. 1 more slam, 2 TMF's vs 0, two year end #1s vs 0. The funny thing is though when I break them both down overall on grass and hard courts, it is hard to say Roddick is weaker in either, but the way Hewitt's overall career goes together just looks more lucrative in the end.

juanparty
08-22-2011, 10:44 PM
20 of 28 Hewitt titles are 250 and only has 2 masters 1000, forget the two slams by a player who in his prime was 5 times more famous than Federer,his career is over since 2005, in terms of competence Roddick has been better trough the years, today Ivan Ljubicic is more competitive than Hewitt

jokinla
08-22-2011, 10:47 PM
Hewitt of course.

kishnabe
08-23-2011, 08:24 AM
If Andy wins another major then he tops Hewitt....but for now it is Hewitt!

SLD76
08-23-2011, 08:29 AM
Its tough because Hewitt was basically washed up by 2006.Andy was relevant as late as 2009. He even has a recent win over Nadal.

But at the end of the day, he was ranked number 1 longer and has a USO and Wimbly so...hewitt.

westside
08-23-2011, 07:36 PM
20 of 28 Hewitt titles are 250 and only has 2 masters 1000, forget the two slams by a player who in his prime was 5 times more famous than Federer,his career is over since 2005, in terms of competence Roddick has been better trough the years, today Ivan Ljubicic is more competitive than Hewitt

Same with Roddick at the moment

Polaris
08-23-2011, 07:41 PM
Hewitt > Roddick in terms of accomplishments.

Roddick's longevity is better though.

droliver
08-23-2011, 07:52 PM
This is a really close call. Very close overall career match record and # of titles. Nearly even head to head. I think at the end of the day, Roddick's consistency over a decade gives him the nudge. Hewitt hasn't been a top player since 2006

Sid_Vicious
08-23-2011, 08:01 PM
20 of 28 Hewitt titles are 250 and only has 2 masters 1000, forget the two slams by a player who in his prime was 5 times more famous than Federer,his career is over since 2005, in terms of competence Roddick has been better trough the years, today Ivan Ljubicic is more competitive than Hewitt

What are you smoking?

MichaelNadal
08-23-2011, 08:09 PM
I gotta go with good old Rusty.

Qubax
08-23-2011, 08:30 PM
Okay, so we know that Hewitt wins interms of the extra slam, and the weeks at no.1

Roddick did become relevant a little later though, and this put him more in the line of fire of Roger. Additionally Roddick has been in the Top 10 a lot longer.

Hewitt was petering out when Roger was beginning to soar, and yet Roddick was still one of the more relevant pro's sans Roger, Rafa when you look at 2000-2010 on the whole.

Yah, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Nole had some moments in that decade. But outside of Rafa and Roger, Andy was probably the next best pro of the last 10 years(when looking at things wholisitically)

I guess my question is if anyone would be so kind as to dig up the number of Master 1000's, 500's and 250's that each player has won. It would be my guess Roddick has this segment of the comparison quite handily in his favour.

Roddick:

Masters in his favour(I think)
Slam Finals in his favor
Year end Top 10's
General Longevity

Hewitt:

Weeks at #1
Extra Slam

It's my opinion if Roddick had the same number of slams he's winning this like 85% to 15%....and since this is the case I kind of think that even without the slam he may be in a toss up 50/50 scenario.

Great Poll by the way, OP

norbac
08-23-2011, 08:34 PM
Hewitt of course.

myalterego
08-23-2011, 08:51 PM
Honestly I feel like it's really hard to say there is a better feeling in tennis than holding up the winner's trophy at Wimbledon, so I'm giving Hewitt the edge.

Sid_Vicious
08-23-2011, 08:53 PM
Okay, so we know that Hewitt wins interms of the extra slam, and the weeks at no.1

Roddick did become relevant a little later though, and this put him more in the line of fire of Roger. Additionally Roddick has been in the Top 10 a lot longer.

Hewitt was petering out when Roger was beginning to soar, and yet Roddick was still one of the more relevant pro's sans Roger, Rafa when you look at 2000-2010 on the whole.

Yah, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Nole had some moments in that decade. But outside of Rafa and Roger, Andy was probably the next best pro of the last 10 years(when looking at things wholisitically)

I guess my question is if anyone would be so kind as to dig up the number of Master 1000's, 500's and 250's that each player has won. It would be my guess Roddick has this segment of the comparison quite handily in his favour.

Roddick:

Masters in his favour(I think)
Slam Finals in his favor
Year end Top 10's
General Longevity

Hewitt:

Weeks at #1
Extra Slam

It's my opinion if Roddick had the same number of slams he's winning this like 85% to 15%....and since this is the case I kind of think that even without the slam he may be in a toss up 50/50 scenario.

Great Poll by the way, OP

Actually this not true. Hewitt was a major factor in two of Federer's best years, 2004 and 2005. Federer derailed Lleyton's career pretty badly as well. In 2004, Hewitt got beat by Federer in 3/4 slams. Hewitt reached the final of the USO in 2004 without dropping a single set and still got killed by Federer in the final. Additionally, Hewitt's performances made Roddick's hold of the number 2 ranking questionable. Prior to his injury in 2006, Lleyton used to routinely whoop up on Roddick. He had a major mental edge over Roddick. At the 2004 TMC finals, Hewitt won the last 20 points of the match against Roddick.

Hewitt almost always ended up in Federer's draw, so he used to lose to Federer in a ton of SFs. Federer pretty much blocked of a Hewitt-Roddick rivalry.

FedExpress 333
08-23-2011, 08:59 PM
Probably Hewitt, but it is very close.

Qubax
08-23-2011, 09:03 PM
Sid Vicious. Thanks for the response.

I am okay being wrong, and I think you put me in my place on this one.

The only thing I will say is that when Lleyton eventually did peter out in 05'-06' Andy continued to be a regular in the 2nd week of the 3 slams(obviously not the French)

Anyway, even if the two of them are similar interms of overall Masters shields...I'd still be interested in the numbers, and then the breakdown of 1000's, 500's and 250's

I can't seem to find that anywhere...

jokinla
08-23-2011, 09:07 PM
Okay, so we know that Hewitt wins interms of the extra slam, and the weeks at no.1

Roddick did become relevant a little later though, and this put him more in the line of fire of Roger. Additionally Roddick has been in the Top 10 a lot longer.

Hewitt was petering out when Roger was beginning to soar, and yet Roddick was still one of the more relevant pro's sans Roger, Rafa when you look at 2000-2010 on the whole.

Yah, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Nole had some moments in that decade. But outside of Rafa and Roger, Andy was probably the next best pro of the last 10 years(when looking at things wholisitically)

I guess my question is if anyone would be so kind as to dig up the number of Master 1000's, 500's and 250's that each player has won. It would be my guess Roddick has this segment of the comparison quite handily in his favour.

Roddick:

Masters in his favour(I think)
Slam Finals in his favor
Year end Top 10's
General Longevity

Hewitt:

Weeks at #1
Extra Slam

It's my opinion if Roddick had the same number of slams he's winning this like 85% to 15%....and since this is the case I kind of think that even without the slam he may be in a toss up 50/50 scenario.

Great Poll by the way, OP

Looks like Roddick has 5 Masters to 2 for Hewitt. Was surprised to see that in just his third tournament ever Hewitt won it, not a challenger but a tour level event, pretty impressive, wonder if anybody has come out of the gate that strong.

Qubax
08-23-2011, 09:15 PM
jokinla:

Well probably on the womens side of the game I'd imagine there's been some success that early in a career....but as for the men, not sure.

rdis10093
08-23-2011, 09:15 PM
Okay, so we know that Hewitt wins interms of the extra slam, and the weeks at no.1

Roddick did become relevant a little later though, and this put him more in the line of fire of Roger. Additionally Roddick has been in the Top 10 a lot longer.

Hewitt was petering out when Roger was beginning to soar, and yet Roddick was still one of the more relevant pro's sans Roger, Rafa when you look at 2000-2010 on the whole.

Yah, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Nole had some moments in that decade. But outside of Rafa and Roger, Andy was probably the next best pro of the last 10 years(when looking at things wholisitically)

I guess my question is if anyone would be so kind as to dig up the number of Master 1000's, 500's and 250's that each player has won. It would be my guess Roddick has this segment of the comparison quite handily in his favour.

Roddick:

Masters in his favour(I think)
Slam Finals in his favor
Year end Top 10's
General Longevity

Hewitt:

Weeks at #1
Extra Slam

It's my opinion if Roddick had the same number of slams he's winning this like 85% to 15%....and since this is the case I kind of think that even without the slam he may be in a toss up 50/50 scenario.

Great Poll by the way, OP

totaly unbiased, but just like our avatar's and sigs, I am going to have to go with hewitt

Sid_Vicious
08-23-2011, 09:15 PM
Sid Vicious. Thanks for the response.

I am okay being wrong, and I think you put me in my place on this one.

The only thing I will say is that when Lleyton eventually did peter out in 05'-06' Andy continued to be a regular in the 2nd week of the 3 slams(obviously not the French)

Anyway, even if the two of them are similar interms of overall Masters shields...I'd still be interested in the numbers, and then the breakdown of 1000's, 500's and 250's

I can't seem to find that anywhere...

No problem. You were not wrong at all. I just was disagreeing with just that one point.

Here are the stats.

Andy Roddick

5 Masters 1000s titles and 4 runners ups.
5 ATP 500 titles and 3 runners ups
19 ATP 250 titles and 9 runners ups

Lleyton Hewitt

2 Masters 1000s titles and 5 runners ups. (Hewitt has 2 masters cups and 1 runner up)
2 ATP 500 titles and 0 runners ups
20 ATP 250 titles and 6 runners ups.

SLD76
08-24-2011, 06:21 AM
Hewitt > Roddick in terms of accomplishments.

Roddick's longevity is better though.

that about sums it up.

Objective Danny
08-24-2011, 07:15 AM
C'mon!


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d4o
08-24-2011, 07:18 AM
Hewitt without a doubt, I'd compare roddick to Petr Korda.

rosenstar
08-24-2011, 07:22 AM
I'd say roddick. Did more to change the game with that big serve. Won davis cup and one major, not to mention a plethora of top 10 finishes. Hewitt fell off the map towards the end of his career. Roddick's longevity speaks much louder than his 1 less grand slam IMHO.

Mustard
08-24-2011, 07:38 AM
Hewitt didn't "peter out", he started getting injury problems in 2005, forcing him to miss the entire clay-court season and the last few months of the year. When he came back in 2006, it immediately became obvious that Hewitt's speed had reduced significantly, even though he could still play excellent on his day. 2004-2005 Hewitt is the best level of tennis that he played, even though Hewitt had his best titles and results in 2001-2002.

T1000
08-24-2011, 08:47 AM
Hewitt was petering out when Roger was beginning to soar, and yet Roddick was still one of the more relevant pro's sans Roger, Rafa when you look at 2000-2010 on the whole.

Yah, Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Nole had some moments in that decade. But outside of Rafa and Roger, Andy was probably the next best pro of the last 10 years(when looking at things wholisitically)



Hewitt had injury problems, his level didn't drop just his speed. And Hewitt was pretty relevant from 00-05 while Roddick was from 03-09, so not much difference there. The longetivity thing is overrated, if you want to put it that way than Hewitt was able to do more in less time, which makes it more impressive.

Ask people in 30 years, they will all say Hewitt since he has more slams, more weeks/year end #1s, and 2 TMCs, while Roddick has less. No one cares about MS titles

Matt H.
08-24-2011, 09:23 AM
In all honesty, they’re about dead even to me.

2 slams and 2 YE #1’s vs. 1 slam and 1 YE #1 puts Hewitt ahead. But all this was finished by November 2003. They were both 20 years old or so…teenagers.

Look at post 2003. That’s 8 years, and the meat of their adult career’s.

Hewitt made 2 slam finals and the finals at Indian Wells. This was 04-05. All he has to show since is a quarter in 09 at Wimbledon, which he lost to Roddick. At no point since Wimbledon 05 has he even been a factor or a legitmate title contender.

Roddick has made 4 slam finals. 3 slam SF’s and a handful of QF’s. 3 master’s 1000 titles too. Top 10 every single year. His top 10 streak is even longer than Fed’s.

Qubax
08-24-2011, 10:00 AM
In all honesty, they’re about dead even to me.

2 slams and 2 YE #1’s vs. 1 slam and 1 YE #1 puts Hewitt ahead. But all this was finished by November 2003. They were both 20 years old or so…teenagers.

Look at post 2003. That’s 8 years, and the meat of their adult career’s.

Hewitt made 2 slam finals and the finals at Indian Wells. This was 04-05. All he has to show since is a quarter in 09 at Wimbledon, which he lost to Roddick. At no point since Wimbledon 05 has he even been a factor or a legitmate title contender.

Roddick has made 4 slam finals. 3 slam SF’s and a handful of QF’s. 3 master’s 1000 titles too. Top 10 every single year. His top 10 streak is even longer than Fed’s.

I tend to agree. But then I would, wouldn't I? :)

Also, wasn't it 5 master 1000's ?

Those are the biggest tournaments in the world outside of the Majors. So while Hewitt has Andy 2 to 1 in slams. Roddick has Hewitt 5-2 in masters shields.

woodrow1029
08-24-2011, 10:22 AM
two year end #1s vs 1.

Fixed it for you.

Mustard
08-24-2011, 10:44 AM
Hewitt made 2 slam finals and the finals at Indian Wells. This was 04-05. All he has to show since is a quarter in 09 at Wimbledon, which he lost to Roddick. At no point since Wimbledon 05 has he even been a factor or a legitmate title contender.

2005 US Open.

okdude1992
08-24-2011, 11:26 AM
In overall accomplishments it would have to be Hewitt.

I think Roddick is a better though. He remained a relevant contender for much longer, and was really just screwed by Federer. If Roddick got to play Nalbandian in a Wimbledon final, you can bet he'd have that title also.

Mustard
08-24-2011, 11:31 AM
Roddick had more longevity near the top because he relied more on his serve. Hewitt relied on his speed and timing, which is one of the first things to go with age.

veroniquem
08-24-2011, 11:34 AM
Roddick stayed around longer. Hewitt's career got wrecked by injury. Not a big fan of either player. Was clear from the start neither of them was a Sampras, Agassi, Federer, Nadal caliber.

Nadalfan89
08-24-2011, 11:36 AM
Hewitt is statistically superior but I think Roddick is the better player.

Does that make sense?

timnz
08-24-2011, 01:05 PM
But Hewitt was a top player since 2000, roddick has been only since 2003. So even though Hewitt last year as a top player was 2005 he was there 3 years earlier.

jackson vile
08-24-2011, 01:09 PM
In overall accomplishments it would have to be Hewitt.

I think Roddick is a better though. He remained a relevant contender for much longer, and was really just screwed by Federer. If Roddick got to play Nalbandian in a Wimbledon final, you can bet he'd have that title also.

Good point.

timnz
08-24-2011, 01:10 PM
Also, wasn't it 5 master 1000's ?

Those are the biggest tournaments in the world outside of the Majors. So while Hewitt has Andy 2 to 1 in slams. Roddick has Hewitt 5-2 in masters shields.

With full respect masters 1000's aren't the biggest tournaments outside the grand slams - the masters cup has that status. (more points and prestige). Hewitt has 2 of those roddick 0

Tammo
08-24-2011, 01:59 PM
Hewitt has had tons of injuries, while Roddick hasn't had as many. If it wasn't for injuries Hewitt would have passed Roddick.

celoft
08-24-2011, 02:45 PM
Lleyton Glynn Hewitt.

Pacific3000
08-24-2011, 02:57 PM
Always enjoyed watching Roddick more.

Tennis_Monk
08-24-2011, 07:05 PM
Too bad to see Hewitt out of 2011 USopen. He might still play next season but For all we know, we may not see him at USopen again. I hope not but things arent looking too bright.