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BeHappy
08-25-2011, 02:09 PM
Why are sports like golf and basketball for example so much more popular than tennis? I don't understand it at all. People like us who actually follow tournaments other than Wimbledon are really pretty rare. What happened in the 90's to the incredible popularity of tennis of the 70's and 80's?

BaboFan
08-25-2011, 02:27 PM
Some people like watching tennis back then bc there was fights and such (Mcenroe, Jimbo, etc.). Now its too passive. People resort to hockey, football, MMA, etc.

Golf is a way of showing you are upper class, but im not very fond of it.
Basketball is a fun game and easy game to play.

Not to mention people like what they can play. Not many people can play tennis.

Nuke
08-25-2011, 02:42 PM
I kind of agree with BaboFan. The game had more characters back in the 70/80's. The players are too "nice" these days. Whenever a player gets a little feisty now, they get a beatdown in the press and places like this very forum, for boorish behavior. Of course, you can only get away with boorish behavior if you have the game to back it up (see Connors, McEnroe, Nastase), but today's stars are known more for giving up and defaulting instead of arguing over line calls. Serena is the only old-school "character" on the scene at the moment, and a lot of us (guilty, me) treat her like a pariah, but she's really the most interesting woman on the tour. The pro wrestling people already know that you need good guys AND bad guys in the mix to keep things interesting, but tennis just wants good guys. Good guys don't always make headlines, though.

GOAT BAAH!!!
08-25-2011, 02:46 PM
Some people like watching tennis back then bc there was fights and such (Mcenroe, Jimbo, etc.). Now its too passive. People resort to hockey, football, MMA, etc.

Agreed. When I went through the debacle of trying to show my family how skillful the sport is during Cinci; my father continually remarked on how there is "no personality" in the sport and was shocked that "celebrations" after points were considered over the top or classless and how code violations are thrown at people for breaking racquets or what he considered "a healthy way of getting your frustration out temporarily." He's a big football, baseball and boxing guy and basically thinks that apologizing for things like let cords when you're in the "heat of battle" is outrageous....I've heard similar reasoning from others....

I think a happy medium is the way, allow the players to express themselves whilst somehow keeping the "gentlemanly" aspect of the game. It's tough to market robots that hit the ball back and forth, back and forth, back and forth....

pound cat
08-25-2011, 02:53 PM
Most people can't relate to an individual sport where every player has to be in top shape, spends hours every day practicing and working out, spends his entire year travelling all over the world only to often lose after a day or 2 of a tournament, where only a top few make a relatively big salary based on all of the above plus a lot ot talent. Plus he has to pay a lot of money for a coach who may or may not help improve his game. Who can picture doing that?

Plus all the fans seem to be unicoloured everywhere excepted in Asia. And the Euopean and N. American game has the connotation of snooty tennis clubs where rich people go to bat a few balls over a net playing doubles....or even mixed doubles? Ha ha ha.


That's tennis for you. Hard to relate to for the average person. And people are my nature gregarious and team sports are far more appealing.

TenFanLA
08-25-2011, 02:53 PM
Imagine "Die Hard" without Hans Gruber, "Wall Street" without Gordon Gekko and "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" without Nurse Ratched. Well, that's tennis in 2011. The tennis diehards will watch and play tennis but the rest of the population won't.

ryu1revline
08-25-2011, 03:02 PM
I think tennis is at the height of its global popularity technically, and with the sport growing so fast in countries like China, it's bigger on paper.

If you are an American, the sport has faded from being a media favorite for quite awhile now. There are just too many other popular team sports in the US that get the spotlight. Even formerly unpopular sports like soccer have been gaining serious momentum lately; as if there weren't tons of mega sports already grabbing everyone's attention here. On top of that, ratings juggernauts like Nascar squeeze even more air space away from tennis.

I will say though, it is MUCH easier to follow tennis now than it was in the late '80s with TTC and ESPN 3. ****, I remember the only way to follow smaller 250 tournies was by flipping through a very small results section in the newspaper; no photos or anything!

ryu1revline
08-25-2011, 03:06 PM
Agreed. When I went through the debacle of trying to show my family how skillful the sport is during Cinci; my father continually remarked on how there is "no personality" in the sport and was shocked that "celebrations" after points were considered over the top or classless and how code violations are thrown at people for breaking racquets or what he considered "a healthy way of getting your frustration out temporarily." He's a big football, baseball and boxing guy and basically thinks that apologizing for things like let cords when you're in the "heat of battle" is outrageous....I've heard similar reasoning from others....

I think a happy medium is the way, allow the players to express themselves whilst somehow keeping the "gentlemanly" aspect of the game. It's tough to market robots that hit the ball back and forth, back and forth, back and forth....

This is so true.. I'm getting off-topic here, but tennis is SO much different than the traditional American sports that most people just don't relate to it. Players like A-Rod would be considered an upstanding sportsmen if he played baseball, etc.. In tennis, he's got anger issues. :)

Diabl0
08-25-2011, 03:15 PM
Tennis has faded from the general publics attention in the same way boxing has. Both individual sports with only small hardcore fan bases.

The growth and billions of money involved in the big team sports has taken many of the potential athletes away from tennis and boxing. Only the very best can make millions in tennis and boxing...but playing football (european) or in the NBA, NFL etc - its far more lucrative.

So whats to blame? I guess the big team sports got too popular and the resulting billion dollar tv deals (that filter down to the teams and players) is luring all the young talent.

Mustard
08-25-2011, 03:17 PM
Tennis underappreciated? It's going through a golden age right now.

Federer>Djokovic>Nadal
08-25-2011, 03:22 PM
It is definitely in America, I can tell you that.

ryu1revline
08-25-2011, 03:29 PM
Tennis underappreciated? It's going through a golden age right now.

I think OP was referring to the States because he mentioned basketball.

It's sad watching the Li Na match at New Haven with like 16 people in the stands..

cknobman
08-25-2011, 03:36 PM
In America some of the individual causes are:

Exposure
Not heavily shown on TV due to format not being cooperative with advertising and unpredictability of match length time.
Kids are exposed to other sports like baseball, football, and basketball because they are more easily available and team driven lessening the burden on the individual (this ties in with cost and effort)
There are a lot of areas of the country where courts are not plentiful or even attainable vs baseball and football which can be played in an empty field or yard and basketball where all is needed is a goal (which are portable and cheap)
Cost - tennis is (comparatively) a very expensive sport (court time, coaching, racquets, strings, shoes, etc. (I used to think tennis was cheap until I started playing it).
Effort - tennis being a primarily individual sport requires a much greater effort than many of your team sports which means more time and a deeper commitment.
$$$$$$ - big money in America revolves around the big 3 baseball, basketball, and football. There are a few other sports that do get some attention (hockey, golf, maybe soccer) but for the most part everything revolves around money.

Tammo
08-25-2011, 03:45 PM
I don't think tennis is underappreciated, it's just that other sports are overappreciated.

Crisstti
08-25-2011, 04:00 PM
I kind of agree with BaboFan. The game had more characters back in the 70/80's. The players are too "nice" these days. Whenever a player gets a little feisty now, they get a beatdown in the press and places like this very forum, for boorish behavior. Of course, you can only get away with boorish behavior if you have the game to back it up (see Connors, McEnroe, Nastase), but today's stars are known more for giving up and defaulting instead of arguing over line calls. Serena is the only old-school "character" on the scene at the moment, and a lot of us (guilty, me) treat her like a pariah, but she's really the most interesting woman on the tour. The pro wrestling people already know that you need good guys AND bad guys in the mix to keep things interesting, but tennis just wants good guys. Good guys don't always make headlines, though.

I don't agree at all. Players don't need to be rude jerks to be interesting.

The issue is that team sports are just so much more popular, people follow them because they follow a certain team... it's really difficult for tennis to compete with that (no idea why golf is that popular though). I myself pretty much have followed it depending on if there is a player I really like or not.

In Chile tennis is clearly less popular now that there are no Chilean players that are that good. I'm guessing the same has happened in the US... while we can be sure in Spain, Serbia, Switzerland tennis is in a hight of popularity.

I agree also that most people don't play tennis themselves, plus it requires that one has money to rent a court... and it is seen somewhat as pertaining to people of certain social classes...

West Coast Ace
08-25-2011, 04:03 PM
It's sad watching the Li Na match at New Haven with like 16 people in the stands..There shouldn't be a tournament this week, period.

I think tennis is at the height of its global popularity technically, and with the sport growing so fast in countries like China, it's bigger on paper.Well, sure. China had 182 people who knew what tennis was in 2008 - now they have 10,000 (exaggeration) - so they have 'explosive' growth. But will they become long term fans? Or will they go away when Li Na retires? (she is in the back end of her career)

I don't think tennis is underappreciated, it's just that other sports are overappreciated.Marketing. Like him or not, Stern is a genius in his marketing of the NBA worldwide. The ATP is trying to market the players - some do have personalities. But a lot of the players are guarded - they don't want to say or do anything too outrageous or controversial and risk losing their endorsements. Since their careers are short, I can't blame them.

And Golf is big because it's a social game. You can talk with your buddies between shots. Kinda tough to yell back and forth the 80 ft length of the court. In addition to the physical requirements.

Crisstti
08-25-2011, 04:05 PM
[...]And Golf is big because it's a social game. You can talk with your buddies between shots. Kinda tough to yell back and forth the 80 ft length of the court. In addition to the physical requirements.

Good point.

ryu1revline
08-25-2011, 04:22 PM
Agreed with the social aspects of golf.

In my field a ton of business deals get done over golf. Then, you plan your vacation around a decent golf course because it's so relaxing and slightly more physical then chess. :)

TenFanLA
08-25-2011, 04:33 PM
I think tennis is at the height of its global popularity technically, and with the sport growing so fast in countries like China, it's bigger on paper.

If you are an American, the sport has faded from being a media favorite for quite awhile now. ..

That's true. Tennis is not underappreciated in many parts of the world, esp. Europe. But it's practically on the respirator in US compared to the 80's. I used to love watching Borg vs. McEnroe with Connors, Lendl thrown in.

When Becker and Sampras started dominating along with the other big servers, I lost interest. Women's tennis was more interesting with actual rallies. Then Federer and Nadal reignited my passion for tennis. But for most other Americans, they still want/need a homegrown hero. Someone like Roddick with the talent of Federer. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon though.

FedExpress 333
08-25-2011, 04:47 PM
In America, it is pretty simple. Why would you choose an individual sport with only 30 ppl can make a living out of when you have to spend soooooo much $$ because the USTA gives all their money to a few kids when you can play a cheap team sport that lets many more ppl make a living and is more popular?

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 05:55 PM
In America? Because they don't care, or know, about it. They have soccer/football, American football, baseball, and basketball as the big ones, followed by Hockey. They like team sports (since America is such a team-playing nation, right?), especially those with lots of aggression and injury.

Funbun
08-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Because on TV, it looks like the guys are walking left and right. The balls look slow.

TERRASTAR18
08-25-2011, 06:29 PM
tennis at it's heart is an elitist sport and at times it seems to keep the public at a distance. at it's higest points, the players who resonated with fans were the ones the casual fans could relate to, whether it was agassi, mcenroe or today it's the williams sisters.
but tennis at the top is ruled by the same snobbish elites. whether it's the debacles at wimbledon or the gimmicks by the usta to "promote tennis".

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 06:35 PM
tennis at it's heart is an elitist sport and at times it seems to keep the public at a distance. at it's higest points, the players who resonated with fans were the ones the casual fans could relate to, whether it was agassi, mcenroe or today it's the williams sisters.
but tennis at the top is ruled by the same snobbish elites. whether it's the debacles at wimbledon or the gimmicks by the usta to "promote tennis".

Err, not only is that entire thing full of errors in logic, but "debacles" isn't even used properly...

No one uses debacles to promote something, except for politicians pointing out the faults of the other party...

d4o
08-25-2011, 06:47 PM
it isn't as appreciated as other sports because people play more team sports because they are easy to play and more sociable, and they accordingly watch more team sports .

Nuke
08-25-2011, 06:49 PM
I don't agree at all. Players don't need to be rude jerks to be interesting.

Well, not ALL of them need to be jerks, but we need a mix of heroes and villains to make things interesting. Muhammed Ali, referencing professional wrestling and Gorgeous George observed, "I saw 15,000 people coming to see this man get beat. And his talking did it. I said, 'This is a gooood idea!'" In the locker room afterward, the seasoned wrestler gave the future legend some invaluable advice: "A lot of people will pay to see someone shut your mouth. So keep on bragging, keep on sassing and always be outrageous."

We saw a lot of that behavior with Connors and McEnroe. Today, not so much. It's not such a bad thing if sometimes you watch a match to see someone get beat, rather than watch someone win. But, aside from Serena Williams, I don't see that so much now. OK, maybe you like Nadal, but you don't really hate Federer or Djokovic so much. There aren't really any of the "bad boys" like in the 70/80's today to cheer against. Maybe you mildly dislike Nadal or Djokovich because they claimed a fake injury and pulled out of a minor tournament to help their chances in an upcoming major, but there's been nothing like a top player getting defaulted for bad behavior (yeah, Serena comes the closest to "interesting" these days).

To make tennis "stories", we need both heroes and villains. The top tennis players should be celebrities, and if bad behavior is a reason for their celebrity, so be it.

The Dude
08-25-2011, 06:55 PM
Because TV does not utilize the rear court camera angle enough, which better shows the speed and spin of the shots...

TERRASTAR18
08-25-2011, 06:56 PM
Err, not only is that entire thing full of errors in logic, but "debacles" isn't even used properly...

No one uses debacles to promote something, except for politicians pointing out the faults of the other party...

what errors of logic?
i said debales at wimbledon or usta's gimmicks to "promote tennis". they are two seperate examples: wimbledon debacles on one hand, the usta on the other
definition of or-
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/OR

Ripster
08-25-2011, 07:05 PM
Well, not ALL of them need to be jerks, but we need a mix of heroes and villains to make things interesting. Muhammed Ali, referencing professional wrestling and Gorgeous George observed, "I saw 15,000 people coming to see this man get beat. And his talking did it. I said, 'This is a gooood idea!'" In the locker room afterward, the seasoned wrestler gave the future legend some invaluable advice: "A lot of people will pay to see someone shut your mouth. So keep on bragging, keep on sassing and always be outrageous."

We saw a lot of that behavior with Connors and McEnroe. Today, not so much. It's not such a bad thing if sometimes you watch a match to see someone get beat, rather than watch someone win. But, aside from Serena Williams, I don't see that so much now. OK, maybe you like Nadal, but you don't really hate Federer or Djokovic so much. There aren't really any of the "bad boys" like in the 70/80's today to cheer against. Maybe you mildly dislike Nadal or Djokovich because they claimed a fake injury and pulled out of a minor tournament to help their chances in an upcoming major, but there's been nothing like a top player getting defaulted for bad behavior (yeah, Serena comes the closest to "interesting" these days).

To make tennis "stories", we need both heroes and villains. The top tennis players should be celebrities, and if bad behavior is a reason for their celebrity, so be it.

I agree with this. People (especially Americans) want to see a battle between two guys that hate each other or at the very least are rivals. That's why MMA and the UFC is so popular. People will pay big money to see two guys fight it out who genuinely dislike each other. Now a days the players are just boring PR machines who, if they let out even a bit of anger or emotion, are given fines, warnings, point penalties etc, and who can't talk trash during press conferences.

It makes me miss guys like Marat Safin or even Marcelo Rios who just did whatever the heck they wanted. Even a guy like Roddick - who I generally don't like but will admit, draws big crowds because he wears his heart on his sleeve and gives honest, interesting press conferences.

You don't necessarily have to be a jerk but nobody wants to see a bunch of emotionless robots.

BeHappy
08-25-2011, 07:12 PM
All these criticisms apply to golf too though. That's what I don't understand.

Tiger Woods was never charismatic, never really trash talked with Mickelson or Els or any of his other rivals, plus golf is a far more slow paced game that takes even longer than a 5 set grandslam final to complete. Golf is even more expensive to play than tennis and way more elitist, and far less fun to both play and watch (that's just my opinion though)

Tennis has everything that both golf and basketball has to offer rolled into one. The skill of golf and the athleticism of basketball. You'd figure the same guys who appreciate long drives would appreciate Andy Roddick's serve. That they'd appreciate Nadal's athleticism, Federer's skill. But tennis has only a fraction of the popularity of those sports.

maxpotapov
08-25-2011, 07:24 PM
Because TV does not utilize the rear court camera angle enough, which better shows the speed and spin of the shots...

Good point, I second that!

BeHappy
08-25-2011, 07:25 PM
Because TV does not utilize the rear court camera angle enough, which better shows the speed and spin of the shots...

When the guy goes to the net that angle is no good though.

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 07:26 PM
what errors of logic?
i said debales at wimbledon or usta's gimmicks to "promote tennis". they are two seperate examples: wimbledon debacles on one hand, the usta on the other
definition of or-
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/OR

errors of logic being that tennis is ruled by the "same snobbish elites" without athletes people can relate to. Nadal and Murray could have gone pro soccer, and are easily to relate to, as is Djokovic. Federer's the only one who most might have trouble following...

also, the phrasing of 'debacles at wimbledon or the gimmicks by the USTA to "promote tennis"' basically says that Wimbledon uses debacles to promote the sport.

Ripster
08-25-2011, 07:33 PM
All these criticisms apply to golf too though. That's what I don't understand.

Tiger Woods was never charismatic, never really trash talked with Mickelson or Els or any of his other rivals, plus golf is a far more slow paced game that takes even longer than a 5 set grandslam final to complete. Golf is even more expensive to play than tennis and way more elitist, and far less fun to both play and watch (that's just my opinion though)

Tennis has everything that both golf and basketball has to offer rolled into one. The skill of golf and the athleticism of basketball. You'd figure the same guys who appreciate long drives would appreciate Andy Roddick's serve. That they'd appreciate Nadal's athleticism, Federer's skill. But tennis has only a fraction of the popularity of those sports.

Way more Americans play golf over tennis. Tennis may be popular as a leisurely sport that people will try a few times in the summer, but do you think these same people are going to routinely watch tennis on tv? Or for that matter, pay $100 to watch the pros play?

There are way way more serious golfers than tennis players in the US. There are golf courses everywhere and good tennis courts are hard to come by. Golf is a part of the corporate culture in America, tennis is not.

BeHappy
08-25-2011, 07:40 PM
Way more Americans play golf over tennis. Tennis may be popular as a leisurely sport that people will try a few times in the summer, but do you think these same people are going to routinely watch tennis on tv? Or for that matter, pay $100 to watch the pros play?

There are way way more serious golfers than tennis players in the US. There are golf courses everywhere and good tennis courts are hard to come by. Golf is a part of the corporate culture in America, tennis is not.

I know, I just don't understand why golf is so much more popular than tennis. Why did people stop playing tennis and shift to golf? It was probably 50-50 in player numbers and mainstream popularity twenty-five years ago, now there are probably 90 golfers for every tennis player.

SeriousSummer
08-25-2011, 07:48 PM
You can't dunk, there aren't any "hits" and all you see on TV is two people hitting a small ball back and forth. Before high definition television you couldn't even see the ball half the time. Watch some Youtubes of old matches sometime. They are really hard to follow.

Without obvious spectacular feats or mayhem, tennis in the United States is really only of interest to people who play and to some extent when there are American champions.

Golf is just as bad to watch, but a lot more people play golf.

BrooklynNY
08-25-2011, 07:49 PM
Because tennis players suck at volleying now.

And watching ping pong is boring.l

SeriousSummer
08-25-2011, 07:50 PM
More people play golf than tennis now because we're fatter and older. You don't have to be in very good physical condition to play golf. Tennis requires at some exertion.

Tennis_Monk
08-25-2011, 08:00 PM
There shouldn't be a tournament this week, period.

Well, sure. China had 182 people who knew what tennis was in 2008 - now they have 10,000 (exaggeration) - so they have 'explosive' growth. But will they become long term fans? Or will they go away when Li Na retires? (she is in the back end of her career)

Marketing. Like him or not, Stern is a genius in his marketing of the NBA worldwide. The ATP is trying to market the players - some do have personalities. But a lot of the players are guarded - they don't want to say or do anything too outrageous or controversial and risk losing their endorsements. Since their careers are short, I can't blame them.

And Golf is big because it's a social game. You can talk with your buddies between shots. Kinda tough to yell back and forth the 80 ft length of the court. In addition to the physical requirements.

Why not ? whats wrong with having a tournament this week?

MichaelNadal
08-25-2011, 08:18 PM
People simply DON'T KNOW when it's going on. There's no advertisement WHATSOEVER outside of slams. The casual tennis fan can easily forget tennis even exists outside of the slams, and even then, they just happen to catch it on NBC.

TERRASTAR18
08-25-2011, 08:35 PM
errors of logic being that tennis is ruled by the "same snobbish elites" without athletes people can relate to. Nadal and Murray could have gone pro soccer, and are easily to relate to, as is Djokovic. Federer's the only one who most might have trouble following...

also, the phrasing of 'debacles at wimbledon or the gimmicks by the USTA to "promote tennis"' basically says that Wimbledon uses debacles to promote the sport.

point 1- it is run by elites, have you ever looked at the leadership of any of the federations?
point 2- they children of the rich w/o much personality hardly relatable.
point3- no it doesn't, the or is to signify they are completely different statements. you might want to brush up on your reading skills:rolleyes:

devila
08-25-2011, 09:49 PM
viewers generally don't like scoring that involves many deuces, and special praise and tv time for 1 or 2 players. they don't care to hear idiots like pat mcenroe who enjoy shoving down their throats that federer's the best, genius and most full of "integrity".

Clay lover
08-25-2011, 09:56 PM
Because tennis players suck at volleying now.

And watching ping pong is boring.l

Recreational ping pong maybe boring, but pro ping pong is definitely not boring. I would argue that professional ping pong is an even more physical demanding sport than tennis albeit the much shorter matches.

BeHappy
08-26-2011, 07:18 AM
viewers generally don't like scoring that involves many deuces, and special praise and tv time for 1 or 2 players. they don't care to hear idiots like pat mcenroe who enjoy shoving down their throats that federer's the best, genius and most full of "integrity".

You get all that in golf though.

wy2sl0
08-26-2011, 07:48 AM
No fire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5PbMCRN5xo

Pacific3000
08-26-2011, 07:52 AM
When Becker and Sampras started dominating along with the other big servers, I lost interest. Then Federer and Nadal reignited my passion for tennis.

Then you lost a lot of excellent tennis years. You missed the entire Sampras-Agassi era!!

Federer-Nadal was always like watching paint dry to me.

DoctorBackhand
08-27-2011, 05:57 AM
There is no instant gratification in tennis. It takes years to master the technique, learn strategies, and develop the mental toughness needed to play competitively. Other sports are easier to pick up and to most people more fun to watch.

Clay lover
08-27-2011, 06:25 AM
People just don't appreciate how hard it is at the pro level, in that regard tennis suffers the same problem other racquet sports like table tennis and badminton faces. It looks easy to run around and hit the ball across the net but people don't realize how hard it is at the pro level.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:48 AM
Why are sports like golf and basketball for example so much more popular than tennis? I don't understand it at all. People like us who actually follow tournaments other than Wimbledon are really pretty rare. What happened in the 90's to the incredible popularity of tennis of the 70's and 80's?

I guess you are American?

In Sweden,Norway,Germany,France,Serbia,Spain tennis is blooming! Many clubs in these countries have at least a year waiting list before you can join the club and sometimes you have to wait more than a year.

EDIT: You mean pro tennis?

Viper
08-27-2011, 07:29 AM
Because on TV, it looks like the guys are walking left and right. The balls look slow.


DING DING! WINNER!


I've touched on this in the past. The game is far too slow in it's current state. It's like the decline of baseball in the U.S., the current generation sees the action packed, one hour spurts to games from basketball and football, so everything else in comparison looks slow. Only the real fans get the reason for the pauses, the slowness of a point, or sit through a slow match because of the prestige or rivalry.

ollinger
08-27-2011, 07:40 AM
I'm an avid tennis fan but even for me the game has become less and less watchable. It's mostly boring baseline play, almost no strategy (hitting a little wider and then going the other way is not much of a strategy), far less variety of style than a few decades ago, Ambien-on-a-screen for the casual fan. Not helped by players doing lint checks on every ball each time they serve. A colossal bore.

jackson vile
08-27-2011, 08:09 AM
I think the commentating, interrupting matches for interviews, bad camera angles, plus a lot of (amateur) tennis players are plain @$$ holes.

Devilito
08-27-2011, 08:23 AM
bad camera angles and speed of play are a big one. A few rule changes can be implemented as well. How about no let and no 2nd serve. Have hawkeye call every line to eliminate challenges. Allow fan cheering during points. More night matches so tennis can be enjoyed by more than just retirees or house wives. Changing the scoring system might also be considered. Currently a player can win more total points than his opponent and still lose the match. Have winners and points won at net count as 2 points. Add an additional Major between the Australian and the French located on the US West Coast and another major between the US open and the Australian located in Asia. Eliminate a handful of smaller tournaments from the schedule and shorten match times for slams.

Ripster
08-27-2011, 09:38 AM
bad camera angles and speed of play are a big one. A few rule changes can be implemented as well. How about no let and no 2nd serve. Have hawkeye call every line to eliminate challenges. Allow fan cheering during points. More night matches so tennis can be enjoyed by more than just retirees or house wives. Changing the scoring system might also be considered. Currently a player can win more total points than his opponent and still lose the match. Have winners and points won at net count as 2 points. Add an additional Major between the Australian and the French located on the US West Coast and another major between the US open and the Australian located in Asia. Eliminate a handful of smaller tournaments from the schedule and shorten match times for slams.

Are you serious? Those changes are way over the top.

ben123
08-27-2011, 10:07 AM
bad camera angles and speed of play are a big one. A few rule changes can be implemented as well. How about no let and no 2nd serve. Have hawkeye call every line to eliminate challenges. Allow fan cheering during points. More night matches so tennis can be enjoyed by more than just retirees or house wives. Changing the scoring system might also be considered. Currently a player can win more total points than his opponent and still lose the match. Have winners and points won at net count as 2 points. Add an additional Major between the Australian and the French located on the US West Coast and another major between the US open and the Australian located in Asia. Eliminate a handful of smaller tournaments from the schedule and shorten match times for slams.

that must be sarcasm lol you cant be serious

defrule
08-27-2011, 10:20 AM
As with any sport, I think it is very important that viewers can understand the scoring system. You look at sports like football (soccer), it is easy to follow the score but in tennis it's not so easy for people to understand.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 10:26 AM
As with any sport, I think it is very important that viewers can understand the scoring system. You look at sports like football (soccer), it is easy to follow the score but in tennis it's not so easy for people to understand.

Again, that applies to Golf too.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 10:27 AM
DING DING! WINNER!


I've touched on this in the past. The game is far too slow in it's current state. It's like the decline of baseball in the U.S., the current generation sees the action packed, one hour spurts to games from basketball and football, so everything else in comparison looks slow. Only the real fans get the reason for the pauses, the slowness of a point, or sit through a slow match because of the prestige or rivalry.

Slow compared to golf?

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 11:16 AM
Why are sports like golf and basketball for example so much more popular than tennis? I don't understand it at all. People like us who actually follow tournaments other than Wimbledon are really pretty rare. What happened in the 90's to the incredible popularity of tennis of the 70's and 80's?

Probably, you will be very surprised with fact that USA is not world. Europe has 731.000.000 people (more than double than USA).
Or maybe you are talking about sport in USA?
In Europe nobody give sh.t about golf. baseball etc. Collective sports -football (you call it soccer), basketball, handball, volleyball, are and were always, more popular than individual sports.
Among the individual sports, tennis is probably most popular.
The reason that tennis lose popularity in USA are:
1. USA care only about winners. In this sport there is no winners from USA in new millennium (grand slam, ranking no.1,etc). Mentality, we are the best, lose battle in this sport.
2. In Europe we call tennis "Gentleman's sport", obviously it can't be American
sport.
3. Too expensive for Americans. Rich one give sh.t about sports, poor one can afford it.
4. Lack of talent.
Ranking list like this: 1. Roddick 3.Isner 5. Fish 6. Young, could make miracle regarding popularity of tennis in USA.
The fact is also that tennis depend on sponsors - money, and money is not in Spain, Serbia, France etc. Money is in USA.
Only solution for tennis popularity in USA, is to give (before season start), 5000 ranking points to each American players.
At least, they will be best in first half of the year.

devila
08-27-2011, 11:37 AM
viewers don't appreciate that tennis has mentally ill players who either don't care about doing great things or do little other than make free money, and verbally abuse people that have less money and publicity than them. these players clearly couldn't win slams at age 27 or a later age because they thought their tennis success interferes with their lives with intentionally destructive, greedy friends and family.
manipulative, confused, cowardly, money-obsessed, guilt-ridden lives.
golf has a few bad characters, but there so many more bad tennis rich boys.

Gizo
08-27-2011, 11:38 AM
I don't like golf at all, but bear in mind that the European tour, which obviously is not as important or prestigious as the US PGA tour, offers greater prize money on average per event than the ATP Tour. That would indicate that golf is still popular and a big business in Europe as well as the US.

And I believe golf is developing and growing in popular in China as well.

devila
08-27-2011, 11:48 AM
the atp permits players to criticize ill and injured opponents but these some critics did not give much effort in matches and then skip tournaments with false excuses.
the drug use policy let idiots use meth without any punishment.
Agassi was a designated hero so his friends on tour didn't want see him punished. yet, they all cry because the US audience calls them out! too bad for the spoiled brats.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 12:43 PM
In Europe nobody give sh.t about golf.

Yes they do, golf is far more popular than tennis in Europe.

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Yes they do, golf is far more popular than tennis in Europe.
If you say so.
Specially in Switzerland, Spain, Italy, France, Serbia, Croatia, Baltic countries, Eastern and southern Europe.
In Czech republic, Slovakia, Poland, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kirghistan, Kazakhstan, Georgia they even don't know for tennis. They only play golf.
This is why, there is so many famous golf players from Russia, and even not one tennis player.
You can check on this forum how many posters from Europe know even one more name of golf players, except Tiger Woods. Start with me, and I am totally in sports.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 01:45 PM
If you say so.
Specially in Switzerland, Spain, Italy, France, Serbia, Croatia, Baltic countries, Eastern and southern Europe.
In Czech republic, Slovakia, Poland, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kirghistan, Kazakhstan, Georgia they even don't know for tennis. They only play golf.
This is why, there is so many famous golf players from Russia, and even not one tennis player.
You can check on this forum how many posters from Europe know even one more name of golf players, except Tiger Woods. Start with me, and I am totally in sports.

This is a stupid argument you're picking with me. In Western Europe Golf is infinitely more popular than tennis. Compare the hype around the Ryder Cup compared to the Davis Cup. There is absolutely no comparison at all.

I don't like golf at all, but bear in mind that the European tour, which obviously is not as important or prestigious as the US PGA tour, offers greater prize money on average per event than the ATP Tour. That would indicate that golf is still popular and a big business in Europe as well as the US.

And I believe golf is developing and growing in popular in China as well.

Exactly. I just don't understand why people love golf so much and ignore tennis.

ben123
08-27-2011, 02:04 PM
This is a stupid argument you're picking with me. In Western Europe Golf is infinitely more popular than tennis. Compare the hype around the Ryder Cup compared to the Davis Cup. There is absolutely no comparison at all.



Exactly. I just don't understand why people love golf so much and ignore tennis.

i dont know where you live but i never heard of a ryder cup. i dont know anyone who watches golf and i do live in europe

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 02:05 PM
This is a stupid argument you're picking with me. In Western Europe Golf is infinitely more popular than tennis. Compare the hype around the Ryder Cup compared to the Davis Cup. There is absolutely no comparison at all.

If you say so, again.
Ryder Cup is much more popular in Europe than Wimbledon, Roland Garros, Madrid, Rome, Paris, Monte Carlo masters.
Do you know that once, they almost canceled Madrid, because golf tournament in Spain.
By the way, thank you for mentioning Ryder Cup. I never heard for it before.
Western Europe countries: Germany, France, Italy, Spain, UK, Austria, Switzerland, etc (from time when Europe was divided on western and eastern block). Give me one in which golf is more popular than tennis, so we can ask posters from this country for his opinion.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 02:06 PM
i dont know where you live but i never heard of a ryder cup. i dont know anyone who watches golf and i do live in europe

Uk. Everyone watches golf, no one watches tennis, or plays it. At all. Apart from Wimbledon.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 02:08 PM
If you say so, again.
Ryder Cup is much more popular in Europe than Wimbledon, Roland Garros, Madrid, Rome, Paris, Monte Carlo masters.
Do you know that once, they almost canceled Madrid, because golf tournament in Spain.
By the way, thank you for mentioning Ryder Cup. I never heard for it before.
Western Europe countries: Germany, France, Italy, Spain, UK, Austria, Switzerland, etc (from time when Europe was divided on western and eastern block). Give me one in which golf is more popular than tennis, so we can ask posters from this country for his opinion.

Lots of them, but Germany definitely. Since Becker and Graf retired and Haas and Kiefer have failed to win grand slams, they really aren't interested in tennis at all anymore.

Sergio Garcia is hugely popular in Spain, it's probably 50-50 there right now.

In the UK absolutely no one cares about tennis or plays it at all. Those are the only countries I've been to and can comment on.

And yes, the Ryder Cup is FAR more popular than any masters tennis tournament in Western Europe ;) Are you serious?

ben123
08-27-2011, 02:14 PM
Lots of them, but Germany definitely. Since Becker and Graf retired and Haas and Kiefer have failed to win grand slams, they really aren't interested in tennis at all anymore.

Sergio Garcia is hugely popular in Spain, it's probably 50-50 there right now.

In the UK absolutely no one cares about tennis or plays it at all. Those are the only countries I've been to and can comment on.

And yes, the Ryder Cup is FAR more popular than any masters tennis tournament in Western Europe ;) Are you serious?

im from germany. i know many people who play tennis and watch it. i know noone who watches golf and i bet if i ask random people here about the ryder cup i get the answer what?

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 02:17 PM
Lots of them, but Germany definitely. Since Becker and Graf retired and Haas and Kiefer have failed to win grand slams, they really aren't interested in tennis at all anymore.

Sergio Garcia is hugely popular in Spain, it's probably 50-50 there right now.

In the UK absolutely no one cares about tennis or plays it at all. Those are the only countries I've been to and can comment on.

And yes, the Ryder Cup is FAR more popular than any masters tennis tournament in Western Europe ;) Are you serious?

I live in Europe, travel in Europe, and have many friends from different countries.
But obviously you know this better. I made mistake.
Golf is more popular than tennis.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 02:19 PM
im from germany. i know many people who play tennis and watch it. i know noone who watches golf and i bet if i ask random people here about the ryder cup i get the answer what?

That's interesting. Watching Hamburg there was never really anybody there even when it was still a Masters 1000. At one time in the 1990's, half of all the prize money in tennis came from Germany, they even wanted a Grand Slam to be held in Germany. That's a pretty massive decline in interest in tennis in Germany, isn't it?

Bernard Langer the German golfer gets lots of German supporters on the tour though.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 02:19 PM
I live in Europe, travel in Europe, and have many friends from different countries.
But obviously you know this better. I made mistake.
Golf is more popular than tennis.

Do you live in Western Europe like me?

ben123
08-27-2011, 02:29 PM
That's interesting. Watching Hamburg there was never really anybody there even when it was still a Masters 1000. At one time in the 1990's, half of all the prize money in tennis came from Germany, they even wanted a Grand Slam to be held in Germany. That's a pretty massive decline in interest in tennis in Germany, isn't it?

Bernard Langer the German golfer gets lots of German supporters on the tour though.

ofc its a decline. like you said becker, stich and graf are away but i still know much more people playing tennis + watching than people who like golf

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 02:30 PM
ofc its a decline. like you said becker, stich and graf are away but i still know much more people playing tennis + watching than golf

I'm glad to hear that. I hate golf.

In the UK, golf is a billion times more popular than tennis, except during Wimbledon.

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 02:32 PM
Do you live in Western Europe like me?

No need to continue. You know better!

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 02:37 PM
No need to continue. You know better!

I'll take that as a "no" then. Believe me, if you lived in Western Europe you'd know better too.

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 02:45 PM
Batoussai
06-18-2008, 12:22 AM
Golf... Majors... ???

What the hell is that???

:p

Here in Belgium golf coverage is 0 and tennis is covered a lot!

Dilettante
06-18-2008, 05:10 AM
Here in Spain no one cares about Golf. On the other hand Tennis is very popular here.

gj011
06-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Tennis is more popular than golf in the whole world except USA.

alonsin
06-17-2008, 11:34 PM
In western Europe tennis is a much bigger deal than golf.

drive
06-18-2008, 12:31 AM
Here in Spain no one cares about Golf. On the other hand Tennis is very popular here.

malakas
06-18-2008, 12:34 AM
Here,even if you say you're a Golfer they will make fun of you :roll:.-tennis player is much better.
I think only Uk will have good ratings-but that's not real Europe anyway..

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 02:49 PM
Batoussai



So do you live in Western Europe?

Bossy
08-27-2011, 02:57 PM
You can watch Roland Garros 6 hours a day for two weeks in the Netherlands on national televison, but I 've never seen more than a small recap of a golf tournament.
Eurospsort shows some golf maybe.

I looked up Eurosport Australia and they showed some more golf.
Maybe it's most popular in the English-speaking world.

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 03:02 PM
So do you live in Western Europe?

I live in Thessaloniki (Greece), and I am from Belgrade, Serbia. Travel by business a lot - Spain, Portugal, Austria, Germany, Holland and Italy.

No need for arguments, like where are you living. Already told you that I made
mistake - golf is much more popular in Europe than tennis.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 03:05 PM
I live in Thessaloniki (Greece), and I am from Belgrade, Serbia. Travel by business a lot - Spain, Portugal, Austria, Germany, Holland and Italy.

No need for arguments, like where are you living. Already told you that I made
mistake - golf is much more popular in Europe than tennis.

Well I know you Serbs are a very argumentative lot :) (just kidding!)

MaiDee
08-27-2011, 03:20 PM
Well I know you Serbs are a very argumentative lot :) (just kidding!)

No problem.

it's always nice to confront opinions.

TenFanLA
08-27-2011, 03:48 PM
One thing you guys didn't mention about golf is that it is HIGHLY addictive. I have played years of golf, tennis, baseball, volleyball, football, etc. but there is no sport even remotely close to being as addictive and all-consuming as golf. I used to eat, drink, sleep, think, pee golf 24 hours a day. I wanted to play, watch, study, practice golf all the time. That's why I didn't touch a racket for 10 years. That is one of the, if not the, major reason(s) why golf is more popular than tennis.

Bossy
08-27-2011, 06:27 PM
Golf is popular in Sweden I think. They've always had good individual sportspeople and there is a lot of room for golf courses.

Holland is baseball nation number 1 in Europe btw.

Hardly anyone knows this, including the Dutch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Baseball_Championship

Bryan Swartz
08-27-2011, 06:29 PM
I think the addictive thing varies from person to person. I wouldn't say golf is any more addictive than other sports.

TenFanLA
08-27-2011, 07:58 PM
I think the addictive thing varies from person to person. I wouldn't say golf is any more addictive than other sports.

I am highly confident the number of people who divorce, lose jobs, etc. because of golf outnumber those who do due to all other sports combined.