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IvanisevicServe
08-25-2011, 04:05 PM
That could not have possibly turned out worse for him, short of Del Potro being slated for the 4th round.

Bellucci in round 2, Tomic, Cilic, or Harrison in round 3, and either Tsonga or Fish in the QF.

All that just to get to play Djokovic in the SF.

If he wins this US Open it'll probably be the most incredible feat of his career.

Raistlin
08-25-2011, 04:15 PM
I see the danger being an inspired Tomic or Bellucci and in the later rounds probably Tsonga (psychologically). Definitely a tough draw but I think it will be final 4 again for Fed at the US Open.

accidental
08-25-2011, 04:42 PM
lol toughest draw of his career might be a slight exageration

Rippy
08-25-2011, 04:43 PM
Yeah, it's a pretty tough draw.

FedExpress 333
08-25-2011, 04:48 PM
That is a very tough draw.

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 04:49 PM
Yeah, he'll be drained. I guess America doesn't like him now?

Qubax
08-25-2011, 05:00 PM
Maybe it's me, but I don't think Tomic, Cilic or Harrison in their recent form are really going to pose much of a threat ...?

I realize Bellucci might be a little tough for the 2nd round.

I just see his draw as the depth in the mens game.

Yah Tsonga or Fish in the QF's would be tough, but this is a grand slam can't expect to have a cake walk to the semi's

Also, as much as Fed has to get to the QF's to even face Tsonga or Fish.....Both Tsonga and Fish also have to get their themselves.

Jo Willy like many of the french players can be wildly inconsistent.

and I don't think Fish can beat Fed at a major to be honest.

Not saying it is an easy draw, but I don't see it as THAT bad...

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 05:03 PM
For a 30 year-old Fed, it is. Fed's an UE machine, Fish is on fire riht now, Tomic/Harrison (I don't think it'll be Cillic) are starting to get into their games, and Tsonga's a bad match-up for the current Federer. If he was 25, he'd have little problems with it. But he's not 25 any more

Cormorant
08-25-2011, 05:03 PM
If you're going to include Bellucci as a threat, don't leave out Giraldo -unlike the Brazilian, he actually has a winning record on hardcourts this year and, well, has beaten Bellucci on hard in 2011.

But really, they're both claycourt specialists, and will just be making up the numbers; Fed has nothing to fear from players who both have losing career records on hard. If you want to find a really testing R1/R2 start for Roger, cast your mind back to 2006 when he had Gasquet then Henman at Wimbledon.

Cilic has a minute chance of troubling him in R3, as does Tomic, but Harrison isn't threatening him in a best-of-five at this stage. Stepanek or Troicki might be messy in R4 if Fed is careless, but they're still just stumpy hurdles. Tsonga isn't making the Qfs, I feel, and whilst Fish can't be ruled out as a challenge I won't believe he can produce the consistent quality needed until I see it.

NadalAgassi
08-25-2011, 05:04 PM
I think if Federer plays Tsonga he will lose. If Tsonga doesnt reach the quarters though (and knowing him there is a good chance he wont) then Federer will be in the semis.

Rippy
08-25-2011, 05:06 PM
I think if Federer plays Tsonga he will lose. If Tsonga doesnt reach the quarters though (and knowing him there is a good chance he wont) then Federer will be in the semis.

Agree with this.

celoft
08-25-2011, 05:06 PM
Compared with the draw he got when he won his last USO in 2008... yeah tough draw this year...

IvanisevicServe
08-25-2011, 05:11 PM
I think the previous toughest draw of Federer's career was 06 Wimbledon. Gasquet, Henman, Mahut, Berdych, and Ancic in the first 5 rounds. He deserved that reprieve against an ancient Bjorkman in the SF after taking that on.

04 Australian Open was super-stacked at the back-end, with Hewitt-Nalbandian-Ferrero-Safin.

But this year's draw is even tougher because there isn't just one threat who has to make it to a given round and play Federer. His round 3 is almost guaranteed to be a dangerous is opponent, as is his QF.

NadalAgassi
08-25-2011, 05:19 PM
I think the previous toughest draw of Federer's career was 06 Wimbledon. Gasquet, Henman, Mahut, Berdych, and Ancic in the first 5 rounds.

That was not a tough draw for prime Federer. Only Henman of those had ever been a tough opponent but he was too old at that point. Gasquet, Berdych, Ancic, Mahut, were all easy opponents for prime Federer.

Nadalfan89
08-25-2011, 05:22 PM
Belluci is a clay courter who's not even in the top 30. Tomic is a teenager who hasn't done anything of importance at all. Does he even have 1 250 title? Harrison is pretty much the exact same as Tomic. Tsonga might be tough. Fish is Federer's pigeon.

It's a decent draw but let's not exaggerate.

flyinghippos101
08-25-2011, 05:32 PM
Belluci is a clay courter who's not even in the top 30. Tomic is a teenager who hasn't done anything of importance at all. Does he even have 1 250 title? Harrison is pretty much the exact same as Tomic. Tsonga might be tough. Fish is Federer's pigeon.

It's a decent draw but let's not exaggerate.

Belluci I agree seems a somewhat less credible threat than say.. Tsonga but Harrison and Tomic have really been coming into their games lately. Harrison didn't make two straight semis during the US Open series on sheer luck alone. As much as I hate the guy, he definitely has game.

You also seem to forget that Tomic make the QFs of Wimbledon, beating along the way legit players like Davydenko, Soderling and Malisse Andreev.

rdis10093
08-25-2011, 05:34 PM
tomic is a big guy though, with not so great footwork. Fed's slice will give him trouble.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 05:37 PM
Fish in a slam a major threat to Fed? Never thought it would ever come to that for the poor Fed fans :)
And teenager Tomic? Seriously? Bellucci the clay courter?
The only difficulty in Fed's draw until semi is Tsonga (and Fed has already beaten Tsonga at AO). If that's enough to make his draw "the toughest of his career", then that says a lot about the kind of draw he usually has: a bunch of clowns out of the top 100. Anything other than that and the Fed fans go into full panic mode. Shame.

rdis10093
08-25-2011, 05:39 PM
no one is in panic mode. Fish could be tuff, he took fed to 3 in Cincy last year

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 05:41 PM
This is a SLAM. Fish in slam= no go especially vs Fed, yes even 30 years old Fed. It's not like Fish himself is young.

IvanisevicServe
08-25-2011, 05:41 PM
That was not a tough draw for prime Federer. Only Henman of those had ever been a tough opponent but he was too old at that point. Gasquet, Berdych, Ancic, Mahut, were all easy opponents for prime Federer.

But it's about as close to "tough" as it could get for prime Federer on grass. It's not like Hewitt or Roddick had a prayer of actually beating him, either. Roddick might scare him if his serve was really on, but he couldn't play much better than he did in that 04 final and it wasn't enough to take more than one set.

This was finally something different than owning Hewitt and Roddick for the umpteenth time. Some strong grass court players he'd never faced before at Wimbledon, and the last two men to beat him at Wimbledon (Henman and Ancic).

jmverdugo
08-25-2011, 05:41 PM
I mean is not a cakewalk but it is not "reaaaaaaaaaly" tough.

Rippy
08-25-2011, 05:42 PM
This is a SLAM. Fish in slam= no go especially vs Fed, yes even 30 years old Fed. It's not like Fish himself is young.

You were saying Fish was a dangerous, in-form player recently.

You just change your opinions to suit whatever stupid point you're trying to make.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 05:43 PM
This is a SLAM. Fish in slam= no go especially vs Fed, yes even 30 years old Fed. It's not like Fish himself is young.



ETA: it will only become hard for Fed in semi and final but that's pretty normal.

rdis10093
08-25-2011, 05:43 PM
This is a SLAM. Fish in slam= no go especially vs Fed, yes even 30 years old Fed. It's not like Fish himself is young.

yeah, but the young fish was not a good eater. I think fish will make a dencent splash in the draw.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 05:44 PM
You were saying Fish was a dangerous, in-form player recently.

You just change your opinions to suit whatever stupid point you're trying to make.



I said Fish was dangerous? I don't think so. Less in slam than anywhere else.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 05:46 PM
You should all be rejoicing that he doesn't get Berd in the quarter. Now THAT would be a tricky one.

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 05:53 PM
Fish in a slam a major threat to Fed? Never thought it would ever come to that for the poor Fed fans :)
And teenager Tomic? Seriously? Bellucci the clay courter?
The only difficulty in Fed's draw until semi is Tsonga (and Fed has already beaten Tsonga at AO). If that's enough to make his draw "the toughest of his career", then that says a lot about the kind of draw he usually has: a bunch of clowns out of the top 100. Anything other than that and the Fed fans go into full panic mode. Shame.

My only reasoning is that Fed is older than he used to, and thus a lot more vulnerable. I think he'll get to the semis (my draw on the TTW pool is horrible, so don't bring that up ;)), but he'll be dead tired. 5 years ago, he'd wreck that draw in straights. I dunno about now...

rdis10093
08-25-2011, 05:55 PM
You should all be rejoicing that he doesn't get Berd in the quarter. Now THAT would be a tricky one.

The Berdman would be pretty tough for Fed.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 05:59 PM
The Berdman would be pretty tough for Fed.

Exactly. So it's not perfect (he doesn't get his friend Roddick :)) but it's better than getting the Berd, no doubt.

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 06:00 PM
I said Fish was dangerous? I don't think so. Less in slam than anywhere else.

Yet Berdych is more dangerous in slams?

M. Fish def. Berdych 7-6 6-4 6-4

Fish is dangerous enough to win against Berdych...

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 06:01 PM
My only reasoning is that Fed is older than he used to, and thus a lot more vulnerable. I think he'll get to the semis (my draw on the TTW pool is horrible, so don't bring that up ;)), but he'll be dead tired. 5 years ago, he'd wreck that draw in straights. I dunno about now...




Actually I sympathize because I have the same doubts about Rafa this year. But come on this is not a good surface for Rafa whereas it's a very comfortable one for Fed.

NadalAgassi
08-25-2011, 06:03 PM
But it's about as close to "tough" as it could get for prime Federer on grass. It's not like Hewitt or Roddick had a prayer of actually beating him, either. Roddick might scare him if his serve was really on, but he couldn't play much better than he did in that 04 final and it wasn't enough to take more than one set.

This was finally something different than owning Hewitt and Roddick for the umpteenth time. Some strong grass court players he'd never faced before at Wimbledon, and the last two men to beat him at Wimbledon (Henman and Ancic).

The 2004 Wimbledon matches Federer had with Hewitt and Roddick were very close. Roddick was up a break in the 3rd and could have gone up 2 sets to 1, while Hewitt was up a break in the 4th and could have gone to a 5th set. Ancic and Henman beat Federer at Wimbledon before he was Federer, and while Henman played even a prime Federer tough for awhile he was on his death bed by that years Wimbledon. Still I see your point, it is like Nadal on clay anyway, pretty much impossible to come up with a tough draw for prime Wimbledon at Wimbledon or the U.S Open.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 06:03 PM
Yet Berdych is more dangerous in slams?

M. Fish def. Berdych 7-6 6-4 6-4

Fish is dangerous enough to win against Berdych...



Was that on hard? When Berd is on, he's much more dangerous than Fish, especially to a guy like Fed who matches well to Fish and not so well to Berd.

d4o
08-25-2011, 06:04 PM
That could not have possibly turned out worse for him, short of Del Potro being slated for the 4th round.

Bellucci in round 2, Tomic, Cilic, or Harrison in round 3, and either Tsonga or Fish in the QF.

All that just to get to play Djokovic in the SF.

If he wins this US Open it'll probably be the most incredible feat of his career.

the first three guys you mentioned put fed to sleep, and i'd consider fish and tsonga an annoyance. nothing to difficult about that draw

NadalAgassi
08-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Also anyone who thinks Fish will beat Federer in a slam is delusional. Even current Federer. Who cares if Tsonga, Berdych, and Soderling did it, they are legitimate top 10 players (Fish IMO is a cup of coffee kind of one), and have all made a slam final and other semis of slams. They are also much younger than Federer and able to take advantage of the age gap whereas they would have little to no chance vs prime Federer in a slam, or anywhere really. Fish meanwhile is not a great player, nowhere near Federer's league, not a big match player, and unlike those much younger guys is almost the same age as Roger.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 06:11 PM
Thanks for explaining it perfectly.

OddJack
08-25-2011, 06:12 PM
Nadal has only Murray to deal with.

Delpo is not in any dangerous shape, and he will never be again. Not in majors anyways.

d4o
08-25-2011, 06:15 PM
Nadal has only Murray to deal with.

Delpo is not in any dangerous shape, and he will never be again. Not in majors anyways.

why do you say delpo is done for?

OddJack
08-25-2011, 06:21 PM
why do you say delpo is done for?

His anatomy.

He's not built to last, I said the same thing about Raonic before his injuries.

look at this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=367392&highlight=young

Unfortunately, I forgot to include Harrison in that poll.

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 06:23 PM
Was that on hard? When Berd is on, he's much more dangerous than Fish, especially to a guy like Fed who matches well to Fish and not so well to Berd.

I'm not saying he'll lose to Fish, only that he'll be tired out when he plays Djoker in the semis.

My only concern is Fed's age handling the energy-usage, not his victory :)

Actually I sympathize because I have the same doubts about Rafa this year. But come on this is not a good surface for Rafa whereas it's a very comfortable one for Fed.

Even on Rafa's favorite surface, he got taken to 5 by Isner ;)

OddJack
08-25-2011, 06:28 PM
My only reasoning is that Fed is older than he used to, and thus a lot more vulnerable. I think he'll get to the semis (my draw on the TTW pool is horrible, so don't bring that up ;)), but he'll be dead tired. 5 years ago, he'd wreck that draw in straights. I dunno about now...

I have the same worries, but I also know Rodge has no illusions about his abilities. He knows how to save energy, he's not gonna play for all the service games, he will take his time and makes his moves.
With a little luck he can pull it off.

NadalAgassi
08-25-2011, 06:28 PM
Berdych can overpower Federer. Fish isnt outstanding enough in any area to worry Federer.

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 06:30 PM
I have the same worries, but I also know Rodge has no illusions about his abilities. He knows how to save energy, he's not gonna play for all the service games, he will take his time and makes his moves.
With a little luck he can pull it off.

But he'll need as much energy as he can get to play against Djoker :(

egn
08-25-2011, 06:33 PM
Fish in a slam a major threat to Fed? Never thought it would ever come to that for the poor Fed fans :)
And teenager Tomic? Seriously? Bellucci the clay courter?
The only difficulty in Fed's draw until semi is Tsonga (and Fed has already beaten Tsonga at AO). If that's enough to make his draw "the toughest of his career", then that says a lot about the kind of draw he usually has: a bunch of clowns out of the top 100. Anything other than that and the Fed fans go into full panic mode. Shame.

Ahh yes because when was the last time Fed had a bunch of clowns out of the top 100??? You had what almost seemed like a half decent post until you once again let that tardism come through.

Also again you clearly leave out the has lost to Tsonga in two straight meetings.

However hands down agreed that this is not Fed's toughest draw ever. Fed might have gotten the toughest draw, but there really isn't anything that tough about it. Nobody got anything really tough as all the tough floaters landed away from the big 4. Harrison or Tomic should neither trouble Fed and Belluci let's be real he'll be lucky to take a set. Fed gets a tough 4th round prospect when he hits Stepanek most likely, but by tough we are talking he might drop a set in a tiebreak or something. Tsonga will be the real test for Fed there. With Isner, Dolgo, Roddick, Del Po and crew all landing out of any of the big 4s path in the first 4 rounds you can't really complain. They all got pretty fair draws.

Let's be real if Fish beats Fed then Fed frankly doesn't deserve to win the US Open because no offense to Fish, but Fed should be able to beat Fish with ease at a major, especially at the US Open.

On the clowns ranked outside of the top 100?? Can you find a draw that Fed got until the QFs nobody ranked in the top 100?? If so I will agree with you.

OddJack
08-25-2011, 06:40 PM
Berdych can overpower Federer. Fish isnt outstanding enough in any area to worry Federer.

Berd hast to fly over Djoker first, which is unlikely

Power players give Rodge problems, He has only Tsonga to worry about
But Tsonga may go out before he gets to him

Qubax
08-25-2011, 06:42 PM
If you're going to include Bellucci as a threat, don't leave out Giraldo -unlike the Brazilian, he actually has a winning record on hardcourts this year and, well, has beaten Bellucci on hard in 2011.

But really, they're both claycourt specialists, and will just be making up the numbers; Fed has nothing to fear from players who both have losing career records on hard. If you want to find a really testing R1/R2 start for Roger, cast your mind back to 2006 when he had Gasquet then Henman at Wimbledon.

Cilic has a minute chance of troubling him in R3, as does Tomic, but Harrison isn't threatening him in a best-of-five at this stage. Stepanek or Troicki might be messy in R4 if Fed is careless, but they're still just stumpy hurdles. Tsonga isn't making the Qfs, I feel, and whilst Fish can't be ruled out as a challenge I won't believe he can produce the consistent quality needed until I see it.

I don't know; Roddick beat Giraldo 6-1,6-3 yesterday. You really think Fed is going to have difficulty with him?

Qubax
08-25-2011, 06:46 PM
Belluci is a clay courter who's not even in the top 30. Tomic is a teenager who hasn't done anything of importance at all. Does he even have 1 250 title? Harrison is pretty much the exact same as Tomic. Tsonga might be tough. Fish is Federer's pigeon.

It's a decent draw but let's not exaggerate.

+1

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kishnabe
08-25-2011, 06:47 PM
That could not have possibly turned out worse for him, short of Del Potro being slated for the 4th round.

Bellucci in round 2, Tomic, Cilic, or Harrison in round 3, and either Tsonga or Fish in the QF.

All that just to get to play Djokovic in the SF.

If he wins this US Open it'll probably be the most incredible feat of his career.

Belluci on HC....LOL!

Tomic is a threat based on his style. Cilci I don't where his confidence is and he is going through weird patches of good to bad form.

Harrison...Kudos if he makes it that far. He had spunk when he last fought Federer but when he played Djokovic there was only small points on brilliance. Though Djoker had problems during Canada. Harrison has talent and potential....but Federer would dismiss him easily.

Fish and Tsonga....wow what a juicy 4th round.....I would say either of them will troble Federer....but Federer this time will prevail against Tsongas!

Djokovic....if he is playing like his did before Montreal....fat chance for Fed right now. Though if the matches and shoulder has got to Djoker head....then Fed will plow through Djoker.

Final: Nadal....Nadal on US open courts...possibly Fed's best chance of beating Nadal outside of WTF. I would see Nadal vulnerable mental state and his style of play not being suited to the Summer Hard Courts. Though Fed backhand has to hold up and he has to play smart. W

If it is Murray.....Federer better bring out some smack talk to pressure the scot. Hopefully Murray plays well in the final....you never know.


The draw looks not to hard considering Federer record here....but based on how he got beat in Montreal and Cincy. We can see a Federer leading but only to lose again.

The onyl tought guys I think are Tsonga/Fish, and Djokovic. If he gets past them....the title is his.

Qubax
08-25-2011, 06:52 PM
My only reasoning is that Fed is older than he used to, and thus a lot more vulnerable. I think he'll get to the semis (my draw on the TTW pool is horrible, so don't bring that up ;)), but he'll be dead tired. 5 years ago, he'd wreck that draw in straights. I dunno about now...

Be honest, when was the last time...any of us have seen a Top 4 player in the world tired in a match?

Yah Nadal and Djokovic from over playing have beat their bodies up. That is traditionally, strains, joints, ligaments, tendon issues etc.

The fact is Federer as with most Top, top pros are in such phenonmenal cardiovascular shape that I don't think Fed is going to lose from being "dead tired"

Bigger, younger, more talented generations always swept the old guard aside. Fed included. But regardless of who Fed loses too I would be shocked if it is because he is "dead tired"

BrooklynNY
08-25-2011, 06:53 PM
This is not a hard draw.
Fed is in the quarters, without a doubt, if he plays Tsonga, it can be tough, but Like NadalAgassi said, Fish doesn't do anything outstanding enough to beat Fed over 3/5, and I'm a huge fan of the 'new' Mardy Fish. The USTA probably thought that is realistically his best shot at getting far, hahah! ;)

I actually think Fed will trouble Nole more than Murray or Rafa, I think he might actually make a title run here, even though I don't exactly wish for that, it's possible.

Manus Domini
08-25-2011, 06:54 PM
Be honest, when was the last time...any of us have seen a Top 4 player in the world tired in a match?

Yah Nadal and Djokovic from over playing have beat their bodies up. That is traditionally, strains, joints, ligaments, tendon issues etc.

The fact is Federer as with most Top, top pros are in such phenonmenal cardiovascular shape that I don't think Fed is going to lose from being "dead tired"

Bigger, younger, more talented generations always sweep the old guard aside. Fed included. But regardless of who Fed loses too I would be shocked if it is because he is "dead tired"

Allow me to rephrase :)

Not "dead tired", but if he loses a fraction of a second in timing, he'll have trouble against Djoker :(

Qubax
08-25-2011, 07:02 PM
Allow me to rephrase :)

Not "dead tired", but if he loses a fraction of a second in timing, he'll have trouble against Djoker :(

That I agree with. Fed is not as quick around the court interms of sheer speed in movement. Not a being tired issue or endurance issue. ....but slower foot speed around that court.

That could hurt Fed against Tsonga, and virtually anyone he plays deeper then that in the tourney

NadalAgassi
08-25-2011, 07:05 PM
Berd hast to fly over Djoker first, which is unlikely

Power players give Rodge problems, He has only Tsonga to worry about
But Tsonga may go out before he gets to him

Tsonga is a much tougher opponent for Federer than Fish. You are right Federer is unlikely to even play Berdych here.

IvanisevicServe
08-25-2011, 07:30 PM
The way Federer's returning these days, do you really have confidence he can break Fish?

The thing about Fish is he's peaking now. He's finally realizing his talent and gotten himself into shape.

Federer, on the other hand, has declined severely. I think people underestimate the amount of wear and tear on Federer's body. They see him glide around the court and don't associate those elements with his game, but he did a LOT of running and stretching and played a LOT of matches.

Fish isn't experiencing the burnout Federer is. He's feeling fresh and re-energized. But he has made a habit of being mentally weak in the big matches, so he'll have to overcome that on a tough stage.

IvanisevicServe
08-25-2011, 07:34 PM
Belluci on HC....LOL!

Tomic is a threat based on his style. Cilci I don't where his confidence is and he is going through weird patches of good to bad form.

Harrison...Kudos if he makes it that far. He had spunk when he last fought Federer but when he played Djokovic there was only small points on brilliance. Though Djoker had problems during Canada. Harrison has talent and potential....but Federer would dismiss him easily.

Fish and Tsonga....wow what a juicy 4th round.....I would say either of them will troble Federer....but Federer this time will prevail against Tsongas!

Djokovic....if he is playing like his did before Montreal....fat chance for Fed right now. Though if the matches and shoulder has got to Djoker head....then Fed will plow through Djoker.

Final: Nadal....Nadal on US open courts...possibly Fed's best chance of beating Nadal outside of WTF. I would see Nadal vulnerable mental state and his style of play not being suited to the Summer Hard Courts. Though Fed backhand has to hold up and he has to play smart. W

If it is Murray.....Federer better bring out some smack talk to pressure the scot. Hopefully Murray plays well in the final....you never know.


The draw looks not to hard considering Federer record here....but based on how he got beat in Montreal and Cincy. We can see a Federer leading but only to lose again.

The onyl tought guys I think are Tsonga/Fish, and Djokovic. If he gets past them....the title is his.

I would've said the same thing about Andreev back in 2008...and we saw how that turned out. Bellucci will grind and hit it with maximum effort every shot, and players like that trouble Federer. Plus, he's a lefty.

Tennis_Monk
08-25-2011, 07:41 PM
That could not have possibly turned out worse for him, short of Del Potro being slated for the 4th round.

Bellucci in round 2, Tomic, Cilic, or Harrison in round 3, and either Tsonga or Fish in the QF.

All that just to get to play Djokovic in the SF.

If he wins this US Open it'll probably be the most incredible feat of his career.

Sorry but i dont see any concerns for Roger Federer until 4 round. The names you mentioned in prior rounds are decent players but not someone that Roger would lose sleep over.

Beyond 4 th round, it is a bit tough but thats to be expected in a grandslam tournament. Even over there, i see concerns with Tsonga. Roger can handle Fish and Delpotro hasnt been the same player he was in 2009. Depending on things play out, Tsonga may not go that deep--i mean it is a possibility.

Simply put, this draw is not really that rough. I agree that it isnt easy but by no means toughest.

mandy01
08-25-2011, 07:59 PM
I think Tomic can be one tough customer if he plays like he did at Wimbledon but it's best to go match-by-match. With Roger, there is little safety valve right now.

Emet74
08-25-2011, 08:14 PM
The way Federer's returning these days, do you really have confidence he can break Fish?

The thing about Fish is he's peaking now. He's finally realizing his talent and gotten himself into shape.

Federer, on the other hand, has declined severely. I think people underestimate the amount of wear and tear on Federer's body. They see him glide around the court and don't associate those elements with his game, but he did a LOT of running and stretching and played a LOT of matches.

Fish isn't experiencing the burnout Federer is. He's feeling fresh and re-energized. But he has made a habit of being mentally weak in the big matches, so he'll have to overcome that on a tough stage.

We shouldn't forget that Fish played Federer almost even in the 2010 Cincy final in a VERY close 3-setter.

Fish has the game to outplay current Fed, but not by as wide a margin as Berdy or Tsonga can outplay him; he's not gonna blow him off the court. (altho' of course he did just that in 2008 IW, shudder)

Given the mental hurdle, it would seem unlikely that Fish would sustain a high enough level over a long enough time to win 3/5, but I guess you never know.

OddJack
08-25-2011, 08:15 PM
Since when Fish is so important in a major?

He has made a big push yes, but thats how far he can go.

He's not even playing Rodge next week.

pizikylin
08-25-2011, 08:19 PM
Just not as good as other "big four".
But if he wants to win another GS, he needs to face the fact that more and more player can challenge him on his way to the Final.

Qubax
08-25-2011, 08:26 PM
I see Roger losing to Tsonga, Djoko, or Murray.

Basically Tsonga is the first opponent Fed could encounter that could actually defeat Fed(not trouble or stretch Fed, but defeat him).

If Tsonga faces Fed I favour Tsonga 65/35.

IF Fed faces anyone else in the QF's(Fish included) then Fed advances to the SF.

IF Fed advances to the SF then he'll either lose to Djoko or(if Djoko is tired or has been already eliminated,) make the Finals.

In the Finals I think Fed either beats Roddick, or Rafa. But loses to Murray.

(I know, bold statement about Roddick even having a chance to reach the US Open finals, but outside of Ferrer and maybe Nadal - who could be worn out - I think Roddick actually has a chance to go real deep)

Caracalla
08-25-2011, 08:39 PM
the only potential threat for Federer is Tsonga.. with some luck he could win this one..

that is to say if Djokovic's shoulder proves to be a problem..

Caracalla
08-25-2011, 08:40 PM
It's good for tennis if Murray could do it..

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 09:32 PM
I see Roger losing to Tsonga, Djoko, or Murray.

Basically Tsonga is the first opponent Fed could encounter that could actually defeat Fed(not trouble or stretch Fed, but defeat him).

If Tsonga faces Fed I favour Tsonga 65/35.

IF Fed faces anyone else in the QF's(Fish included) then Fed advances to the SF.

IF Fed advances to the SF then he'll either lose to Djoko or(if Djoko is tired or has been already eliminated,) make the Finals.

In the Finals I think Fed either beats Roddick, or Rafa. But loses to Murray.

(I know, bold statement about Roddick even having a chance to reach the US Open finals, but outside of Ferrer and maybe Nadal - who could be worn out - I think Roddick actually has a chance to go real deep)



It all looked credible until the "Fed defeats Rafa" part. That's when I understood your post was actually a joke. Very funny indeed.

zagor
08-25-2011, 09:41 PM
It's not draw that is tough, it's Federer that is old.

zagor
08-25-2011, 09:44 PM
This is not a hard draw.
Fed is in the quarters, without a doubt, if he plays Tsonga, it can be tough, but Like NadalAgassi said, Fish doesn't do anything outstanding enough to beat Fed over 3/5, and I'm a huge fan of the 'new' Mardy Fish. The USTA probably thought that is realistically his best shot at getting far, hahah! ;)

I actually think Fed will trouble Nole more than Murray or Rafa, I think he might actually make a title run here, even though I don't exactly wish for that, it's possible.

Oh really now? What about your claims to be a Federer fan? I guess those were to give you more credibility when you crap on his achievements.

veroniquem
08-25-2011, 09:51 PM
Ahh yes because when was the last time Fed had a bunch of clowns out of the top 100???

Also again you clearly leave out the has lost to Tsonga in two straight meetings.






USO 2007: 3 opponents out of top 100 (1 out of top 300). USO 2008: 3 opponents out of top 100. USO 2010: 2 opponents out of top 100. Not to mention 2009 when he had an opponent out of top 1000 :shock::)

On grass + non slam. Last slam on hard court (AO) Fed schooled Tsonga. I expect the same to happen at USO. Damn, I have more faith in Fed than you do :twisted:

zagor
08-25-2011, 10:05 PM
USO 2007: 3 opponents out of top 100 (1 out of top 300). USO 2008: 3 opponents out of top 100. USO 2010: 2 opponents out of top 100. Not to mention 2009 when he had an opponent out of top 1000 :shock::)

On grass + non slam. Last slam on hard court (AO) Fed schooled Tsonga. I expect the same to happen at USO. Damn, I have more faith in Fed than you do :twisted:

The 3d opponent out of top 100 in Fed's 2008 USO was Muller who performed a series of upsets to reach QF, you can't put that down to draw rigging as nobody had the slighest clue that the guy would go on such a run.

Furthemore Nadal had some joke HC draws as well, like say in 2008 USO when he reached SF without playing a single top 30 player. Thing is Nadal was ranked #1 at that time and top seeds usually get easy draws because it is in most tournaments top interest to see big names in the latest stages of the slam.

devila
08-25-2011, 10:12 PM
federer's playing someone unlike roddick but it didn't change the draw.
just because roddick's a piggish thief doesn't mean fish is spectacular.

jokinla
08-26-2011, 12:12 AM
Maybe it's me, but I don't think Tomic, Cilic or Harrison in their recent form are really going to pose much of a threat ...?

I realize Bellucci might be a little tough for the 2nd round.

I just see his draw as the depth in the mens game.

Yah Tsonga or Fish in the QF's would be tough, but this is a grand slam can't expect to have a cake walk to the semi's

Also, as much as Fed has to get to the QF's to even face Tsonga or Fish.....Both Tsonga and Fish also have to get their themselves.

Jo Willy like many of the french players can be wildly inconsistent.

and I don't think Fish can beat Fed at a major to be honest.

Not saying it is an easy draw, but I don't see it as THAT bad...

Agree, if Tsonga makes it through I'd be shocked to see him beat Fed a third time in a row, in fact I think Fish could give him a better run for his money, if he gets the crowd behind him, but that is pushing it, I see Fed in the semis, and who knows, if Djoker has wilted under the pressure, Fed could bag another slam.

stringertom
08-26-2011, 01:22 AM
So much depends on the weather. When Fed gets a day off between matches, he gets through early challenges easily and stays fresh. If rain plays a factor and back-to-back days creep into the format, I would become concerned.

Colin
08-26-2011, 01:46 AM
I see Roger losing to Tsonga, Djoko, or Murray.

Basically Tsonga is the first opponent Fed could encounter that could actually defeat Fed(not trouble or stretch Fed, but defeat him).

If Tsonga faces Fed I favour Tsonga 65/35.

IF Fed faces anyone else in the QF's(Fish included) then Fed advances to the SF.

IF Fed advances to the SF then he'll either lose to Djoko or(if Djoko is tired or has been already eliminated,) make the Finals.

In the Finals I think Fed either beats Roddick, or Rafa. But loses to Murray.

(I know, bold statement about Roddick even having a chance to reach the US Open finals, but outside of Ferrer and maybe Nadal - who could be worn out - I think Roddick actually has a chance to go real deep)

Roddick is playing well this week, but he'll need to be aggressive against Ferrer and Rafa, up his return game and go for breaks; he can't rely on winning tiebreaks anymore. He gets too tight in them, and at best it's a 50-50 proposition. (For example, tomorrow I think he'll beat Isner in North Carolina if he works to break him and takes some chances on break points; otherwise he might lose in two or three tiebreaks.)

But I think a QF appearance or more at the Open is definitely doable with this draw. He has three easier early rounds to get into shape. If his serve is on, he needs to flatten out the forehand and use it like a weapon like he did in IW-Miami 2010 (as we all know). It's a great opportunity because Ferrer has been injured and that Davis Cup match was closer than the score suggested (I'm sensing revenge). Rafa hasn't been all that great lately either, though that's certainly no guarantee. If he gets past quarters, smart money would have Murray pulling off the semi win, but then look at how easily Murray beat Roddick at a 250 this year at Queens, but lost in the major at Wimbledon in 2009. Rod could take advantage of Murray's slam weakness and then re-create the 2006 U.S. Open final, facing that demon in the final, with aims for a better result. Fed is my all-time fave, but Roddick, for how great he's played against Fed in several finals, deserves to beat him at a major before they both retire. :)

TheFifthSet
08-26-2011, 02:43 AM
This is a SLAM. Fish in slam= no go especially vs Fed, yes even 30 years old Fed. It's not like Fish himself is young.

OH PLEASE, everyone is a "non-factor" to Fed in a slam until they beat him. Soderling was never supposed to beat Fed at a slam then did, as did Berdych, Tsonga, and Delpo (yes Delpo, the guy that lost 3, 0, and 0 a mere 8 months earlier). Federer is old and erratic, are you seriously telling me Fish, a guy with a dynamite serve, dangerous groundstrokes who is feeling it, who will have a major boost in the crowd, who has beaten Federer on HC before and who took it to Federer on a court similar to the U.S. Open last year, CAN'T pose a threat? Really. I'm sure everyone would agree that Berdych was just as big a headcase as Fish yet beat Federer on CENTRE COURT AT WIMBLEDON. Jeez. Federer isn't invincible to lower ranked players anymore.
Just another glorified "if he loses he's a past-his-prime can if he wins oh what a surprise he BEAT A CAN" scenario. What an insufferable know-it-all attitude, when posters just degrade players like that. Like c'mon, make your agenda at least a little harder to notice. If Fish was in Nadal's QF you'd be singing his praises.

But w.e.........................

AhmedD
08-26-2011, 02:46 AM
It all looked credible until the "Fed defeats Rafa" part. That's when I understood your post was actually a joke. Very funny indeed.

What's so funny about that, surface is in Federer's favor, Nadal not really playing well. Nadal can't expose the backhand here. It'll be WTF 2010 again. Why is the idea of Federer beating Nadal an impossibility now? This is tennis, don't take anything for granted. If Federer's forehand and serve are on, it will be rough for Nadal, because for once, the backhand slice actually works on this surface.

FedExpress 333
08-26-2011, 03:03 AM
But I am a HUGE federer fan, and he is a mental midget against Rafa, regardless of surface.

AhmedD
08-26-2011, 03:15 AM
But I am a HUGE federer fan, and he is a mental midget against Rafa, regardless of surface.

Even mental midgetry has it's limits :)

Emet74
08-26-2011, 03:16 AM
USO 2007: 3 opponents out of top 100 (1 out of top 300). USO 2008: 3 opponents out of top 100. USO 2010: 2 opponents out of top 100. Not to mention 2009 when he had an opponent out of top 1000 :shock::)

On grass + non slam. Last slam on hard court (AO) Fed schooled Tsonga. I expect the same to happen at USO. Damn, I have more faith in Fed than you do :twisted:

Tsonga played a terrible match at the 2010 AO; Fed said as much afterward and said sth like "I know next time I play him won't be like this" 'cause he knew how much better Tsonga was capable of playing and he was right.

I have no idea where your obsession comes from about Fed getting "easy draws" at USO; he won it 5 times because he was easily the best hard court player 2004-2007, and just managed to hang on in 2008.

From what I remember from 2007, he played Isner early on, who is always a bit more dangerous than his ranking due to serve (and took a set). Also FLopez, who played a brilliant match through several sets, Andy Roddick, Davydenko, and Djokovic. Given the field in 2007, that was in no way an unusually easy draw.

Emet74
08-26-2011, 03:21 AM
Even mental midgetry has it's limits :)

Nadal is in the prime of his career and Fed is not, and Nadal has always given Fed fits on every surface and certainly on all outdoor surfaces. Anything is possible, but Fed will be a huge underdog.

Cormorant
08-26-2011, 03:55 AM
I don't know; Roddick beat Giraldo 6-1,6-3 yesterday. You really think Fed is going to have difficulty with him?

Of course not, and I said as much but you've somehow missed it. In 2006 Fed won as many matches on hard as Thomaz and Santiago have won in their whole careers combined. So no, I don't see either of them as a threat.

Ben Hadd
08-26-2011, 04:28 AM
Tsonga or Fish are the only obstacles imo.

AhmedD
08-26-2011, 05:38 AM
Tsonga or Fish are the only obstacles imo.

Same here. If they are as hot as they were in the past few weeks, they will be threats and Federer will have to be in good form to stand a chance. Thing is, Tsonga and Fish may have to eventually face each other. If they go all the way to 5 sets, either of them won't have a prayer against Federer. Tsonga burns out easily because his fitness is really bad even though it has improved throughout the year, he will burn out like what happen in the AO 2010. Fish although now really fit will also be fatigued, and it's not something you can afford to be when playing Federer, whether he's playing well or not.

Fedace
08-26-2011, 05:41 AM
Tsonga or Fish are the only obstacles imo.

Fish is no challenge. Roger will make a sushi out of him. but Tsonga is a different story. he is little bit getting into Roger's head. Roger got over-powered by him last 2 times they played. Not a good thing, if you are fedfan.

Russeljones
08-26-2011, 05:55 AM
I don't see what the big deal is. He is a clear favourite against all but 3 people in the world lol.

celoft
08-26-2011, 06:08 AM
Tsonga or Fish are the only obstacles imo.

Tsonga is .....

jackson vile
08-26-2011, 07:08 AM
That could not have possibly turned out worse for him, short of Del Potro being slated for the 4th round.

Bellucci in round 2, Tomic, Cilic, or Harrison in round 3, and either Tsonga or Fish in the QF.

All that just to get to play Djokovic in the SF.

If he wins this US Open it'll probably be the most incredible feat of his career.

Not easy being #3 is it?

Marius_Hancu
08-26-2011, 08:34 AM
It depends which Fed shows up

BrooklynNY
08-26-2011, 08:55 AM
Oh really now? What about your claims to be a Federer fan? I guess those were to give you more credibility when you crap on his achievements.

No, It's just that at the moment, I'm more interested in seeing if Nole can continue his dominant form, than see Fed squeak out a 17th. I don't mind it, I'm just pulling for Djokovic.

devila
08-26-2011, 01:10 PM
So much depends on the weather. When Fed gets a day off between matches, he gets through early challenges easily and stays fresh. If rain plays a factor and back-to-back days creep into the format, I would become concerned.

when was that a problem with roddick and a group
of journeymen around? I RECALL roddick begging for the rain to go away and for himself to become fast and intelligent. i almost vomited so i turned it off
AND rarely watched him all through A MATCH.

CCNM
08-26-2011, 01:28 PM
Tomic and Fish will probably be his biggest challenges.

Rhino
08-26-2011, 04:56 PM
Maybe it's me, but I don't think Tomic, Cilic or Harrison in their recent form are really going to pose much of a threat ...?

I realize Bellucci might be a little tough for the 2nd round.



I'm with you. Fed will destroy those guys. I'm not even concerned about Bellucci. It's Tsonga/Fish that spell the biggest hurdle before the semifinals.

I mean, come on... Tomic?

OddJack
08-26-2011, 05:02 PM
What we have all seen, during these all years, is that things look tough on the paper, but after couple of rounds and some upsets and poor performances, suddenly things look different..

And what looked easy on paper, sometimes actually become big obstacles.

Talker
08-26-2011, 05:06 PM
What we have all seen, during these all years, is that things look tough on the paper, but after couple of rounds and some upsets and poor performances, suddenly things look different..

And what looked easy on paper, sometimes actually become big obstacles.

That's usually the case.
And of all those players, some will be out of form or be off.

MichaelNadal
08-26-2011, 05:07 PM
I'm with you. Fed will destroy those guys. I'm not even concerned about Bellucci. It's Tsonga/Fish that spell the biggest hurdle before the semifinals.

I mean, come on... Tomic?

Completely agree with you. What the hell has Tomic ever done?

IvanisevicServe
08-26-2011, 08:39 PM
Completely agree with you. What the hell has Tomic ever done?

QF at Wimbledon this year, maybe?

The guy seems to be an up-and-comer, though I didn't really see anything in his game that stands out.

The way I see this draw, there were two potential QF opponents Federer did not want to draw in his quarter, and he got them both; Fish and Tsonga. He wouldn't have had any problem whatsoever with drawing Ferrer, Soderling, or Monfils. He had a 75% chance of drawing someone other than Fish...but, nope.

He wouldn't have been crazy about drawing Berdych or Simon, but both of them are pretty likely to end up losing before the QF, anyway.

Almagro wouldn't beat him in a Grand Slam QF, and he wouldn't make it, anyway.

stringertom
08-27-2011, 02:00 AM
when was that a problem with roddick and a group
of journeymen around? I RECALL roddick begging for the rain to go away and for himself to become fast and intelligent. i almost vomited so i turned it off
AND rarely watched him all through A MATCH.

I've re-read your post FIVE times and still can't figure out its relation to my thought. Perhaps, you may elaborate. You know, like explain in something that resembles ENGLISH and contains LOGIC.

gregor.b
08-27-2011, 02:10 AM
^^^^^^Ditto.Jennay,I am not a smart man.But that don't make no sense.Anyway,Fed has a tough one.So does everyone else in the draw.This IS a major.You know,tennis' version of the Olympics.It isn't supposed to be easy.

Big_Dangerous
08-27-2011, 02:15 AM
That could not have possibly turned out worse for him, short of Del Potro being slated for the 4th round.

Bellucci in round 2, Tomic, Cilic, or Harrison in round 3, and either Tsonga or Fish in the QF.

All that just to get to play Djokovic in the SF.

If he wins this US Open it'll probably be the most incredible feat of his career.

All of the bold players don't seem like a terribly tough draw for Fed.

I think he will dispose of them rather handily, to be honest.

Tsonga/Fish will be a tough match for Fed. Remember that Fish and Tsonga play each other first, though. So, Fed can hope that they both trade some pretty good punches and hopefully whomever wins will limp into the match with Fed.

15_ounce
08-27-2011, 02:22 AM
Completely agree with you. What the hell has Tomic ever done?

He beat Djokovic in Kooyong.
He beat Soderling, Davydenko, Malisse in Wimbledon, all in STRAIGHT SETS.

devila
08-27-2011, 10:26 AM
lol everyone remembers federer winning and receiving walkovers at the Slams except stringertom. it must be tough to speak only one language.

Clarky21
08-27-2011, 10:39 AM
(And he got to one-set-all with Djokovic at Wimbledon and was up a break in the 3rd. He has impressed BIG TIME this year. GIGANTIC future awaits Tomic)

Yeah,only because Djokovic is a clown on grass,regardless of his gift wrapped Wimbledon title. If Tomic gets to Novak on hard courts I expect him to get his a** beat pretty handily.

djokovic2008
08-27-2011, 10:42 AM
For a 30 year-old Fed, it is. Fed's an UE machine, Fish is on fire riht now, Tomic/Harrison (I don't think it'll be Cillic) are starting to get into their games, and Tsonga's a bad match-up for the current Federer. If he was 25, he'd have little problems with it. But he's not 25 any more


Lol oh poor poor fed he's not 25 no more give me a break. If he was 25 Tsonga would be no problem, are you on drugs? Tsonga would give fed problems no matter how old he is you fed fans live in cloud cuckoo land. If the likes of roddick, hewitt and the likes gave fed problems when fed was 25 then of course tsonga with his huge game and good net play can beat fed in any era.

mandy01
08-27-2011, 10:45 AM
Lol oh poor poor fed he's not 25 no more give me a break. If he was 25 Tsonga would be no problem, are you on drugs? Tsonga would give fed problems no matter how old he is you fed fans live in cloud cuckoo land. If the likes of roddick, hewitt and the likes gave fed problems when fed was 25 then of course tsonga with his huge game and good net play can beat fed in any era.
It took Tsonga five sets to beat a far slower, way out of his prime Roger at Wimbledon. But yes, of course he would be beating Roger in any era. LOL. Continue deluding yourself *********. Or maybe you're hyping up Tsonga because he gave Djokovic a world of problems before this year. That could very well be it . :wink:

djokovic2008
08-27-2011, 10:59 AM
Yeah,only because Djokovic is a clown on grass,regardless of his gift wrapped Wimbledon title. If Tomic gets to Novak on hard courts I expect him to get his a** beat pretty handily.

Lol a clown on grass are you crazy DO UNDERSTAND TENNIS you sound really stupid. Nobody gets Wimbledon gift wrapped.

celoft
08-27-2011, 11:00 AM
Djokovic is a clown on grass,regardless of his gift wrapped Wimbledon title. If Tomic gets to Novak on hard courts I expect him to get his a** beat pretty handily.

What does that make Nadal then?:oops:

djokovic2008
08-27-2011, 11:04 AM
It took Tsonga five sets to beat a far slower, way out of his prime Roger at Wimbledon. But yes, of course he would be beating Roger in any era. LOL. Continue deluding yourself *********. Or maybe you're hyping up Tsonga because he gave Djokovic a world of problems before this year. That could very well be it . :wink:


Am I crazy I thought just recently tsonga whooped fed 6-1 in the last set at montreal. Fed said himself he does not like tsongas game, massive serve and forehand and good volleys of course he would hurt fed in any era. He is more dangerous than hewitt or roddick ever was.

As for djoker this thread is not about the GOAT so I won't talk about Novak.

celoft
08-27-2011, 11:20 AM
As for djoker this thread is not about the GOAT so I won't talk about Novak.

:lol::lol:

mandy01
08-27-2011, 11:23 AM
As for djoker this thread is not about the GOAT so I won't talk about Novak.This is an obvious attempt at trollery so I know now, that on the whole you are just a troll whose doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Carry on with trolling.

devila
08-27-2011, 11:26 AM
only federer is allowed to look heroic, humble AND GENIUS.
ask porn king jim courier. the quitter bjorn borg. the clowns on espn and fed boyfriends the mcenroe brothers,

celoft
08-27-2011, 11:31 AM
Djoko will never be in the GOAT conversation. He won't win more than 8 slams.

djokovic2008
08-27-2011, 11:33 AM
This is an obvious attempt at trollery so I know now, that on the whole you are just a troll whose doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Carry on with trolling.

Hey you mentioned Novak the great first I was happy talking about how tsonga has been whooping fed this year!!!

devila
08-27-2011, 11:56 AM
lmbo beating robredo and roddick over and over,
stomping a retiring nalbandian who lead 6-2 at roland garros, and squeaking by at the US Open twice in marathon matches which agassi choked away.... wow for federer. Oh MY.

Povl Carstensen
08-27-2011, 12:19 PM
Why are some people so incredibly bitter against Federer? Its as if having the greatest record of his era has taken away their favourite bathtub toy or something. Someone should offer them a bisquit, a comforting hug, an icecream, a shoulder to cry on, a pillow to beat... Perhaps they should take up a hobby (but probably not tennis). Just some mindless soothing activity. Medication is not the the way, but perhaps cognitive therapy, if they can get their minds around it.

Polaris
08-27-2011, 02:54 PM
Why are some people so incredibly bitter against Federer? Its as if having the greatest record of his era has taken away their favourite bathtub toy or something. Someone should offer them a bisquit, a comforting hug, an icecream, a shoulder to cry on, a pillow to beat... Perhaps they should take up a hobby (but probably not tennis). Just some mindless soothing activity. Medication is not the the way, but perhaps cognitive therapy, if they can get their minds around it.

Povl, don't worry about devila. He comes on here, screams to nobody in particular about nothing in particular except that Federer is the incarnation of all that is horribly wrong with the world, then goes off to troll elsewhere.

That's his release from whatever bitterness fills him. It is as if Federer traumatized him at some young age by beating his favorite player over and over again :-) .

Clarky21
08-27-2011, 05:08 PM
What does that make Nadal then?:oops:

He's a clown on grass,too,just not as much as Djokovic. Face it,Novak had a joke draw to make the final at Wimby this year,and then got a declining,pathetic Nadal in the final. He did not have to beat any good grass court players along the way. Grass is still Novak's least favorite surface,and the fact that he was able to win Wimby when he didn't even have one single grass court title before that,should tell you what a joke it was for him to win there this year. Hell,he didn't even play that well throughout the whole tournament losing sets to Baggy,and even Tomic. Grass court God is he? I think not.

rdis10093
08-27-2011, 05:13 PM
He's a clown on grass,too,just not as much as Djokovic. Face it,Novak had a joke draw to make the final at Wimby this year,and then got a declining,pathetic Nadal in the final. He did not have to beat any good grass court players along the way. Grass is still Novak's least favorite surface,and the fact that he was able to win Wimby when he didn't even have one single grass court title before that,should tell you what a joke it was for him to win there this year. Hell,he didn't even play that well throughout the whole tournament losing sets to Baggy,and even Tomic. Grass court God is he? I think not.

sounds about right

djokovic2008
08-28-2011, 07:26 AM
He's a clown on grass,too,just not as much as Djokovic. Face it,Novak had a joke draw to make the final at Wimby this year,and then got a declining,pathetic Nadal in the final. He did not have to beat any good grass court players along the way. Grass is still Novak's least favorite surface,and the fact that he was able to win Wimby when he didn't even have one single grass court title before that,should tell you what a joke it was for him to win there this year. Hell,he didn't even play that well throughout the whole tournament losing sets to Baggy,and even Tomic. Grass court God is he? I think not.

You do realize how silly this makes you sound like someone who has no knowledge of the sport. Tsonga is not a good grass player no?? as I thought he beat federer and got to the queens final this year too. But your right if you win wimbledon you cannot play on grass!!!

Telepatic
08-28-2011, 07:34 AM
Spartan draw, both Tomic and Harrison (future goats) are standing on his way.

veroniquem
08-28-2011, 11:59 AM
Spartan draw, both Tomic and Harrison (future goats) are standing on his way.





FUTURE: that's the key word :)

BigForehand
08-28-2011, 03:24 PM
Yah Tsonga or Fish in the QF's would be tough, but this is a grand slam can't expect to have a cake walk to the semi's



yet ****** gets it every time... hmm..........

Rhino
08-30-2011, 02:44 AM
That could not have possibly turned out worse for him, short of Del Potro being slated for the 4th round.

Bellucci in round 2, Tomic, Cilic, or Harrison in round 3, and either Tsonga or Fish in the QF.



So much for the Bellucci threat. Dudi Sela shouldn't offer too much resistance after his 3h 45m 5 setter. You never know these days with Federer though.

I can't believe you even mentioned Harrison....?!

Magnus
08-30-2011, 03:51 AM
Fish in a slam a major threat to Fed? Never thought it would ever come to that for the poor Fed fans :)
And teenager Tomic? Seriously? Bellucci the clay courter?
The only difficulty in Fed's draw until semi is Tsonga (and Fed has already beaten Tsonga at AO). If that's enough to make his draw "the toughest of his career", then that says a lot about the kind of draw he usually has: a bunch of clowns out of the top 100. Anything other than that and the Fed fans go into full panic mode. Shame.

Well, Fish is a threat Nadal, so...

Rhino
09-01-2011, 01:12 PM
For a 30 year-old Fed, it is. Fed's an UE machine, Fish is on fire riht now, Tomic/Harrison (I don't think it'll be Cillic) are starting to get into their games, and Tsonga's a bad match-up for the current Federer. If he was 25, he'd have little problems with it. But he's not 25 any more

Yeah Tomic is looking particularly strong out there against Cilic at the moment. Nice game that he won in the first two sets.

zagor
09-01-2011, 01:15 PM
Yeah Tomic is looking particularly strong out there against Cilic at the moment. Nice game that he won in the first two sets.

It seems Tomic threat isn't realizing, however Cilic is an excellent basher when he's on and bashers do well against Fed lately so it could be a hard day at the office for Fed.

Rhino
09-01-2011, 01:18 PM
It seems Tomic threat isn't realizing, however Cilic is an excellent basher when he's on and bashers do well against Fed lately so it could be a hard day at the office for Fed.

Yeah it will be a big test for Fed, but he should get past Cilic hopefully.

veroniquem
09-01-2011, 01:38 PM
Well, Fish is a threat Nadal, so...



In a slam? No and neither is he to Fed.



Go Cilic :)

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-01-2011, 01:47 PM
Yes go Cilic !:twisted:

Try to take a shot at the greatest and see what happens...

NadalAgassi
09-01-2011, 02:01 PM
It seems Tomic threat isn't realizing, however Cilic is an excellent basher when he's on and bashers do well against Fed lately so it could be a hard day at the office for Fed.

Cilic is far too erratic and error spilling to beat any of the top 4 or 5 guys. The only bashers who have any chance even against current Fed are top 10 players. Cilic being a FORMER top 10 player (already on seemingly terminal decline at only 21) for a reason.

Federer will roll. One 7-6 or 7-5 set at most.

President
09-01-2011, 02:12 PM
It seems Tomic threat isn't realizing, however Cilic is an excellent basher when he's on and bashers do well against Fed lately so it could be a hard day at the office for Fed.

I feel Cilic doesn't have the same power in the serve or groundstrokes as guys like Del Potro, Tsonga, Soderling, and Berdych. He is too skinny and lanky, and his serve is not a weapon as it should be for his height, and his groundstrokes are not particularly heavy and much more erratic than those other players. His movement is excellent, but I don't think he will trouble Federer in the same way those other guys do.

NadalAgassi
09-01-2011, 02:19 PM
Cilic is excellent at hitting winners though. I cant remember him ever having a match with fewer winners than his opponent, including many matches against Del Potro. He is probably slapping alot of balls aimlessly though, and trying shots that arent percentage shots for him.

President
09-01-2011, 02:35 PM
Cilic is excellent at hitting winners though. I cant remember him ever having a match with fewer winners than his opponent, including many matches against Del Potro. He is probably slapping alot of balls aimlessly though, and trying shots that arent percentage shots for him.

He is good at hitting winners, but he won't be pushing Federer back through sheer weight of shot like the other ball bashers do. In other words, he doesn't work the rally as well as the other bashers. Cilic just goes for low percentage clean winners that won't get the job done in a best 3 out of 5 against Federer.

Federer in 3 sets, his first real test will be Tsonga if he manages to come through Fish.

winstonplum
09-02-2011, 09:08 PM
I'm glad I could find this thread. It was funny before the tourny started (ooooh, Ryan Harrison, Bernard Tomic--scary opponents), now it may take the cake for absolute comedic thread of the year. I think we could safely say this might his easiest draw to semis he's ever had.

zagor
09-03-2011, 12:33 AM
I'm glad I could find this thread. It was funny before the tourny started (ooooh, Ryan Harrison, Bernard Tomic--scary opponents), now it may take the cake for absolute comedic thread of the year. I think we could safely say this might his easiest draw to semis he's ever had.

Eh what? Cilic is a dangerous opponent so early and in potential QF he'll have to play either Tsonga(beaten him at Wimbledon and Montreal lately) and Fish(one of the most inform players at the moment). It ain't that hard but it isn't easy either.

jackson vile
09-05-2011, 10:11 AM
Poor Federer struggling through the toughest draw of his career. I hope you can manage some how to make it.

zagor
09-05-2011, 10:19 AM
Poor Federer struggling through the toughest draw of his career. I hope you can manage some how to make it.

You're obsessed.

HiroProtagonist
09-05-2011, 10:22 AM
Tsonga shall dispatch the Fed after the Fish course has concluded.

fednad
09-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Why is Queen Veroniquen banned?
What did she do to incur the wrath of moderators?
She was one of the most thoughtful posters on the board.

Sentinel
09-06-2011, 12:53 AM
Why is Queen Veroniquen banned?
What did she do to incur the wrath of moderators?
She was one of the most thoughtful posters on the board.
Thoughtful and inciteful too. Her deep incites shall be missed.:)

Twas great to see Freddie in action against Juan today. I sort of felt sorry for Fred. Only one shank -- shocking ! Poor ********, have they locked him up somewhere?

Meanwhile Nadal has a killer draw with someone called Mullet and then Ferrer.

Knightmace
09-06-2011, 12:56 AM
You're obsessed.
he's being sarcastic

DeShaun
09-06-2011, 01:09 AM
I feel Cilic doesn't have the same power in the serve or groundstrokes as guys like Del Potro, Tsonga, Soderling, and Berdych. He is too skinny and lanky, and his serve is not a weapon as it should be for his height, and his groundstrokes are not particularly heavy and much more erratic than those other players. His movement is excellent, but I don't think he will trouble Federer in the same way those other guys do.

Fervently looking forward to this match. Expect Fed in five sets to prevail. He's getting more practice now than ever at collecting debts and seems to be doing well at it.

zagor
09-06-2011, 08:35 AM
he's being sarcastic

I know he was being sarcastic, doesn't change the fact that he's obsessed with hating Federer and is scared *****less of the remote possibility of old man bagging #17 at USO this year.

Don't worry LOLville, old man has very little chance of winning the whole thing, no reason to be so fearful of the Swiss vet.

celoft
09-06-2011, 11:24 AM
Why couldn't Fed get tipsy in the QF? :rolleyes:

ACE of Hearts
09-06-2011, 11:25 AM
If he serves like he did against Monaco, he will beat Tsonga.I am sure he is looking foward towards the match.