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TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 03:59 AM
OK, got some inside info from Flushing Meadows, the courts are reported to be the slowest for God knows how many years.

If this has been posted/discussed already, I am sorry.

Take a look at the guys who have qualified, lots of claycourts specialists.

The courts are like Miami this year according to several reliable sources.

Who will benefit from this??
Tsonga Fish and DelPo will tear their hair, Murray will be satisfied. Djokovic? Federer? I think this might be good for the old man since what he needs is TIME even if he doesnt realize this himself. You cant play the same tennis now as you did at 26 Roger, just realize!

Imo, no big guys will be in the QF like DelPo Tsonga Berdych Cilic etc.

DragonBlaze
08-27-2011, 04:03 AM
OK, got some inside info from Flushing Meadows, the courts are reported to be the slowest for God knows how many years.

If this has been posted/discussed already, I am sorry.

Take a look at the guys who have qualified, lots of claycourts specialists.

The courts are like Miami this year according to several reliable sources.

Who will benefit from this??
Tsonga Fish and DelPo will tear their hair, Murray will be satisfied. Djokovic? Federer? I think this might be good for the old man since what he needs is TIME even if he doesnt realize this himself. You cant play the same tennis now as you did at 26 Roger, just realize!

Imo, no big guys will be in the QF like DelPo Tsonga Berdych Cilic etc.

Interesting, you believe this info is accurate?

Anyways, I agree it probably helps Federer if it's slower AS LONG AS the bounce remains low. Any idea about that? Last year Fed dominated WTF and that court was slowwwwwww but it had a low bounce which helped Fed a lot with his backhand IMO.

SLD76
08-27-2011, 04:05 AM
OK, got some inside info from Flushing Meadows, the courts are reported to be the slowest for God knows how many years.

If this has been posted/discussed already, I am sorry.

Take a look at the guys who have qualified, lots of claycourts specialists.

The courts are like Miami this year according to several reliable sources.

Who will benefit from this??
Tsonga Fish and DelPo will tear their hair, Murray will be satisfied. Djokovic? Federer? I think this might be good for the old man since what he needs is TIME even if he doesnt realize this himself. You cant play the same tennis now as you did at 26 Roger, just realize!

Imo, no big guys will be in the QF like DelPo Tsonga Berdych Cilic etc.

man..if this true im stunned. I dont understand why they would slow down the USO courts.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 04:08 AM
Interesting, you believe this info is accurate?

Anyways, I agree it probably helps Federer if it's slower AS LONG AS the bounce remains low. Any idea about that? Last year Fed dominated WTF and that court was slowwwwwww but it had a low bounce which helped Fed a lot with his backhand IMO.

Yes, this is 100% accurate info since I have 3 sources who are at Flushing Meadows as we speak. The bounce is high from what i have heard:?

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 04:10 AM
man..if this true im stunned. I dont understand why they would slow down the USO courts.

I agree with you, i dont understand why they have to slow down all the surfaces :?

DragonBlaze
08-27-2011, 04:10 AM
Yes, this is 100% accurate info since I have 3 sources who are at Flushing Meadows as we speak. The bounce is high from what i have heard:?

LOLLLLLL Fed out before QF then :neutral:

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 04:13 AM
LOLLLLLL Fed out before QF then :neutral:

Well, i dont know...either it will help him a lot OR it will even make it harder for him. Im torn about this...

SLD76
08-27-2011, 04:22 AM
it will help and hurt. he will have time to retrieve, but it will detract from his attacking a bit.

honestly, i think it will help slightly more than it will hurt.

CMM
08-27-2011, 04:24 AM
#Federer saying he's not happy at all with the slow courts this year #USO11 all #GS getting slower and slower

http://twitter.com/#!/FrJoTennis/status/107156686795587587

DragonBlaze
08-27-2011, 04:28 AM
Wow so it's true. Fantastic. Honestly it's like they WANT somebody to go out and win a CYGS, I mean seriously what's the point of this?

I agree that this probably might end up helping Fed a bit (even if he seems annoyed with it), but I just don't understand why they would slow it down?

fms
08-27-2011, 04:31 AM
Because they want a Djokovic vs Nadal final, clearly.

mandy01
08-27-2011, 04:33 AM
Not sure how a slow surface is going to help Roger a great deal. Last year's fall coincided with some fresh perspective Roger had in his tennis. He didn't just do well in fall, he also did very well in Montreal and Cincy and lost a pretty close match to Djokovic at the USO. Besides, even if we assume the bounce gave Roger an advantage I doubt the USO surface is as low bouncing as WTF.

DragonBlaze
08-27-2011, 04:37 AM
Not sure how a slow surface is going to help Roger a great deal. Last year's fall coincided with some fresh perspective Roger had in his tennis. He didn't just do well in fall, he also did very well in Montreal and Cincy and lost a pretty close match to Djokovic at the USO. Besides, even if we assume the bounce gave Roger an advantage I doubt the USO surface is as low bouncing as WTF.

You're right I guess. Only way I see it is Fed comes super motivated to every single match, half assing it anywhere is only going to get himself an early exit. If he meets Rafa I'm guessing he is mince meat, and Djokovic is going to have to display his Montreal final/Cincy form in order for Federer to beat him.

That or he somehow turns back time.

Emet74
08-27-2011, 05:04 AM
Looks like Nadal/Djokovic final then.

Hood_Man
08-27-2011, 05:10 AM
If this helps Murray I could live with it, otherwise I'm not happy with it.

wy2sl0
08-27-2011, 05:11 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/FrJoTennis/status/107156686795587587

Don't understand why.

He got lit up this year on fast surfaces, Ex. Montreal and Cincinatti.

Emet74
08-27-2011, 05:16 AM
Don't understand why.

He got lit up this year on fast surfaces, Ex. Montreal and Cincinatti.

Did you see the Miami SF?

tata
08-27-2011, 05:20 AM
I am deeply disappointed. USO was the one slam where I would see some aggressive tennis and shot making.

PSNELKE
08-27-2011, 05:24 AM
Safe to say, that itīs still the fastest HC out there.

Lsmkenpo
08-27-2011, 05:27 AM
I have looked into this a little deeper to see why so many tournaments are being slowed down. It just so happens that one company either owns or manages too many tournaments during the season namely the AO open, Wimbledon, Miami, and others this company is called IMG they also happen to represent certain tennis players. Hmm? Last paragraph on this link. A slow court gives IMG the best chance to get a matchup between its two biggest tennis clients.
http://www.imgworld.com/news/news/2011/jan/img-signs-russian-tennis-powerhouse-anastasia-pavl.aspx

This is the third time in the past 10 years the US Open has been slowed down by its tournament director. Guess who this guy worked for before he became tournament director ten years ago Yep, IMG

Here is the name of the man who has ruined the US Open and his Email address. Perhaps everyone should send him an email asking why he decided to slow the US Open down 3 times now.
Jim Curley US Open tournament director curley@usta.com

I bet this post gets deleted very quickly.

Lsmkenpo
08-27-2011, 05:32 AM
Safe to say, that itīs still the fastest HC out there.

No, its not close to the fastest HC ,hasn't been for years. it isn't even rated a fast surface by the ITF . Cincinnati is the fastest outdoor HC.

zagor
08-27-2011, 05:36 AM
Honestly this is getting pathetic, I don't care if it helps Federer or not. They are ruining the game with complete surface homogenization, players barely have to adjust to different surfaces/slams anymore.

DragonBlaze
08-27-2011, 05:45 AM
Honestly this is getting pathetic, I don't care if it helps Federer or not. They are ruining the game with complete surface homogenization, players barely have to adjust to different surfaces/slams anymore.

I agree with this. And the evidence is there as well. We went from having nobody doing 3 slams in a year for a long time to now 2 (almost 3) guys having done it in within 5 years.

CMM
08-27-2011, 05:52 AM
This doesn't really make sense. You'd think Americans would do everything they can to help their players. :confused:

zagor
08-27-2011, 05:53 AM
I agree with this. And the evidence is there as well. We went from having nobody doing 3 slams in a year for a long time to now 2 (almost 3) guys having done it in within 5 years.

I also wouldn't be surprised if end up with 3 players with a career slam in this era if Novak wins RG&USO(which is quite possible).

Makes you really appreciate Agassi's feat considering how different surfaces were then and how much he had to adapt.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:21 AM
Safe to say, that itīs still the fastest HC out there.

No, someone compared Cincy and USO and said Cincy is way faster. Ill try to find the link.

Li Ching Yuen
08-27-2011, 06:21 AM
I have looked into this a little deeper to see why so many tournaments are being slowed down. It just so happens that one company either owns or manages too many tournaments during the season namely the AO open, Wimbledon, Miami, and others this company is called IMG they also happen to represent certain tennis players. Hmm? Last paragraph on this link. A slow court gives IMG the best chance to get a matchup between its two biggest tennis clients.
http://www.imgworld.com/news/news/2011/jan/img-signs-russian-tennis-powerhouse-anastasia-pavl.aspx

This is the third time in the past 10 years the US Open has been slowed down by its tournament director. Guess who this guy worked for before he became tournament director ten years ago Yep, IMG

Here is the name of the man who has ruined the US Open and his Email address. Perhaps everyone should send him an email asking why he decided to slow the US Open down 3 times now.
Jim Curley US Open tournament director curley@usta.com

I bet this post gets deleted very quickly.

Actually the guy responsible for all this is Adam Helfant, the ATP executive who has commanded that all Masters should be slowed down (which has happened, except for Paris due to the thickheaded French Federation).

The other example is Shanghai, who's now something similar to tar.

His explanation is that the slowing down of tennis brings more money in the sport, which is, statistically true, especially since the previous administration of the ATP couldn't ****ing keep the organization on a lifeline.

They have monopoly over all Federations and most big manufacturers of tennis balls, court surfaces and all the like.
Whatever they say, it gets through veeery well.

And let's be honest, the tennis audience that brings in the money are not the one that know what the ****'s going on or much about the sport itself.

Let's remember that Indian Wells' big chunk of the audience, is made of retired people with too much time and their hands, Cincy's is made of housewifes that get a break from overfeeding their obese kids to watch some hot bods fluffing some balls in the heat, Shanghai is made of screaming teens and younger people that barely give a **** about tennis and just want to flop their cameras around and get **** signed...Miami is a gathering of reality show "stars", hispanic immigrants and locals that jump on the event just for the sake of it...and so on...

That being said, just go on and enjoy the thrilling sight of watching Djokovic and Nadal play double handed backhands cross court for the next few years.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:23 AM
Honestly this is getting pathetic, I don't care if it helps Federer or not. They are ruining the game with complete surface homogenization, players barely have to adjust to different surfaces/slams anymore.

But I do, and I started the thread.

I agree. The charm of each and every surface is long gone.

We now have/will get even more an Era of ballbashing machines

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:26 AM
[QUOTE=Li Ching Yuen;5935000]


Let's remember that Indian Wells' big chunk of the audience, is made of retired people with too much time and their hands, Cincy's is made of housewifes that get a break from overfeeding their obese kids to watch some hot bods fluffing some balls in the heat, Shanghai is made of screaming teens and younger people that barely give a **** about tennis and just want to flop their cameras around and get **** signed...Miami is a gathering of reality show "stars", hispanic immigrants and locals that jump on the event just for the sake of it...and so on...
QUOTE]

Lmao!!! :twisted:

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:26 AM
[QUOTE=Li Ching Yuen;5935000]


Let's remember that Indian Wells' big chunk of the audience, is made of retired people with too much time and their hands, Cincy's is made of housewifes that get a break from overfeeding their obese kids to watch some hot bods fluffing some balls in the heat, Shanghai is made of screaming teens and younger people that barely give a **** about tennis and just want to flop their cameras around and get **** signed...Miami is a gathering of reality show "stars", hispanic immigrants and locals that jump on the event just for the sake of it...and so on...

QUOTE]

Lmao!!! :twisted:

celoft
08-27-2011, 06:27 AM
OK, got some inside info from Flushing Meadows, the courts are reported to be the slowest for God knows how many years.

If this has been posted/discussed already, I am sorry.

Take a look at the guys who have qualified, lots of claycourts specialists.

The courts are like Miami this year according to several reliable sources.

Who will benefit from this??
Tsonga Fish and DelPo will tear their hair, Murray will be satisfied. Djokovic? Federer? I think this might be good for the old man since what he needs is TIME even if he doesnt realize this himself. You cant play the same tennis now as you did at 26 Roger, just realize!

Imo, no big guys will be in the QF like DelPo Tsonga Berdych Cilic etc.



This benefits Nole the most. He loves slower HC....

DjokovicForTheWin
08-27-2011, 06:31 AM
I also wouldn't be surprised if end up with 3 players with a career slam in this era if Novak wins RG&USO(which is quite possible).

Makes you really appreciate Agassi's feat considering how different surfaces were then and how much he had to adapt.

Yup, this is why Agassi is vastly underrated in the pantheon of champions. Much more talented than Sampras actually despite the slam tallies. If Agassi's head was committed throughout, he would have roasted Sampras like a coffee bean.

celoft
08-27-2011, 06:31 AM
Yes, this is 100% accurate info since I have 3 sources who are at Flushing Meadows as we speak. The bounce is high from what i have heard:?

Slow and high bounce hc. Just give the trophy to nole already.

Fed doesn't like them... Look how Fed did in Miami this year.... Just saying...

BTW, i think slow HC is the worst surface for Fed now... Even worse than grass...

GOAT BAAH!!!
08-27-2011, 06:34 AM
These are silly questions.....

but

but do they publicize replacing the the courts each year....?

what is the difference in the consistency of the surface in recent years...?

etc....

<google is normally my friend on these matters but...>

I've seen graphs and flow charts of the SW19 grass change and it's effect on the bounce but nothing for the US.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:36 AM
This benefits Nole the most. He loves slower HC....

But Nadal almost beat him there...:cry:

Li Ching Yuen
08-27-2011, 06:36 AM
An ATP event has to lay the surface again at least every other year.

Slams are resurfaced every year.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:38 AM
Slow and high bounce hc. Just give the trophy to nole already.

Fed doesn't like them... Look how Fed did in Miami this year.... Just saying...

BTW, i think slow HC is the worst surface for Fed now... Even worse than grass...

I agree with you about Novak.

And also disagree, Fed was in the SF in Miami and won a set 6-3 or 6-2 against Novak. So there is hope.

celoft
08-27-2011, 06:38 AM
If this helps Murray I could live with it, otherwise I'm not happy with it.

Murray likes faster HC the most...

I agree with you about Novak.

And also disagree, Fed was in the SF in Miami and won a set 6-3 or 6-2 against Novak. So there is hope.

Fed got trashed by Nadal in Miami this year.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:38 AM
Yup, this is why Agassi is vastly underrated in the pantheon of champions. Much more talented than Sampras actually despite the slam tallies. If Agassi's head was committed throughout, he would have roasted Sampras like a coffee bean.

I agree with this.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:40 AM
Murray likes faster HC the most...

Well, imo he plays better on slow HC like Shanghai,Montreal (yeah i know not this year) IW.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:41 AM
Murray likes faster HC the most...



Fed got trashed by Nadal in Miami this year.

You are right, i got it totally wrong.

celoft
08-27-2011, 06:41 AM
All surfaces at the slams will play the same now. Career Slam is worth zilch.

But Nadal almost beat him there...:cry:

This was before he lost on clay twice to him and at Wimbledon. Nadal was mentally stronger in March/early April, let's just say.

RAFA2005RG
08-27-2011, 06:48 AM
Which is fastest out of Indian Wells, Miami and US Open?

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 06:51 AM
Which is fastest out of Indian Wells, Miami and US Open?

Very good question, as of 2011 i really dont know...anyone?

RAFA2005RG
08-27-2011, 06:58 AM
Well I don't mind if IW and Miami are similar to US Open, because Nadal prefers them, all but beat Djokovic at Miami with the tie-breaker in 3rd set deciding it. And Indian Wells 1st set was probably Nadal's best set of the year.

Clarky21
08-27-2011, 07:10 AM
Well I don't mind if IW and Miami are similar to US Open, because Nadal prefers them, all but beat Djokovic at Miami with the tie-breaker in 3rd set deciding it. And Indian Wells 1st set was probably Nadal's best set of the year.

Maybe he did in the past,but with how badly he has declined the slower surfaces do not help him,but hurt him. Especially since he cannot seem to hit through the court anymore,and his movement has gotten so slow and sluggish. He is ripe for a beatdown.

mike84
08-27-2011, 07:14 AM
every slam plays the same now

complete garbage


the good old days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-TZeGkEQWc&feature=related

RAFA2005RG
08-27-2011, 07:19 AM
Maybe he did in the past,but with how badly he has declined the slower surfaces do not help him,but hurt him. Especially since he cannot seem to hit through the court anymore,and his movement has gotten so slow and sluggish. He is ripe for a beatdown.

Well he hasn't declined this year on hardcourts that is for sure. He made the final of both Indian Wells and Miami, and he did his usual thing at Cincy, but actually served far better than last year's Cincy. Looking good.

Clarky21
08-27-2011, 07:40 AM
Well he hasn't declined this year on hardcourts that is for sure. He made the final of both Indian Wells and Miami, and he did his usual thing at Cincy, but actually served far better than last year's Cincy. Looking good.

Yes he has. He has declined on all surfaces,and since hardcourt is his weakest surface by far,he has really struggled badly on that one.

Tammo
08-27-2011, 07:49 AM
This should help Murray, and maybe Federer a little. I don't know why the USO has to slow down the courts. SW19 is slow enough.

tennis_pro
08-27-2011, 08:04 AM
Honestly this is getting pathetic, I don't care if it helps Federer or not. They are ruining the game with complete surface homogenization, players barely have to adjust to different surfaces/slams anymore.

second that, federer wasnt winning this us open, anyway

people, enjoy watching federer as long as hes playing, even like crap, we wont see another all-courter player with a one-handed backhand competing for the big titles in a long, long time, if at all

celoft
08-27-2011, 08:09 AM
This should help Murray, and maybe Federer a little. I don't know why the USO has to slow down the courts. SW19 is slow enough.

Hopefully...

Crisstti
08-27-2011, 08:11 AM
Honestly this is getting pathetic, I don't care if it helps Federer or not. They are ruining the game with complete surface homogenization, players barely have to adjust to different surfaces/slams anymore.

The surfaces are not the same, there's no complete homogenization...

Actually the guy responsible for all this is Adam Helfant, the ATP executive who has commanded that all Masters should be slowed down (which has happened, except for Paris due to the thickheaded French Federation).

The other example is Shanghai, who's now something similar to tar.

His explanation is that the slowing down of tennis brings more money in the sport, which is, statistically true, especially since the previous administration of the ATP couldn't ****ing keep the organization on a lifeline.

They have monopoly over all Federations and most big manufacturers of tennis balls, court surfaces and all the like.
Whatever they say, it gets through veeery well.

And let's be honest, the tennis audience that brings in the money are not the one that know what the ****'s going on or much about the sport itself.

Let's remember that Indian Wells' big chunk of the audience, is made of retired people with too much time and their hands, Cincy's is made of housewifes that get a break from overfeeding their obese kids to watch some hot bods fluffing some balls in the heat, Shanghai is made of screaming teens and younger people that barely give a **** about tennis and just want to flop their cameras around and get **** signed...Miami is a gathering of reality show "stars", hispanic immigrants and locals that jump on the event just for the sake of it...and so on...

That being said, just go on and enjoy the thrilling sight of watching Djokovic and Nadal play double handed backhands cross court for the next few years.

What an snobish and pretentious post... only those who think tennis on fast HCs is better know a thing about tennis. Of course :rolleyes:

PSNELKE
08-27-2011, 08:14 AM
No, its not close to the fastest HC ,hasn't been for years. it isn't even rated a fast surface by the ITF . Cincinnati is the fastest outdoor HC.

What a myth. Cincy isnt that fast at all. Especially this yearīs tournament looked slow.
Watching the last few USOīs even last years final with Ralph, looked fast.
Considering itīs Ralph, this has to mean something.

Lsmkenpo
08-27-2011, 12:43 PM
What a myth. Cincy isnt that fast at all. Especially this yearīs tournament looked slow.
Watching the last few USOīs even last years final with Ralph, looked fast.
Considering itīs Ralph, this has to mean something.

I have hit on the courts at both venues I know how they play. :) I was just at Cincinnati last week and posted a video in one of the tournament threads.

TennisandMusic
08-27-2011, 12:47 PM
I am deeply disappointed. USO was the one slam where I would see some aggressive tennis and shot making.

So, you don't watch Wimbledon? :p

TennisandMusic
08-27-2011, 12:50 PM
I also wouldn't be surprised if end up with 3 players with a career slam in this era if Novak wins RG&USO(which is quite possible).

Makes you really appreciate Agassi's feat considering how different surfaces were then and how much he had to adapt.

Man this just isn't true. Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that the physical properties of concrete, grass and clay changed in ten years? Like, seriously?

Seems like most people on this board STILL don't play tennis, and have never played on all the surfaces. The surfaces are not "homogenized".

This stupid TW meme needs to stop. It's not true. It's nothing more than complete and utter ignorance.

MichaelNadal
08-27-2011, 12:50 PM
This bothers me too, it should stay fast, they shouldn't be allowed to constantly slow all the courts like this.

BeHappy
08-27-2011, 12:50 PM
OK, got some inside info from Flushing Meadows, the courts are reported to be the slowest for God knows how many years.

If this has been posted/discussed already, I am sorry.

Take a look at the guys who have qualified, lots of claycourts specialists.

The courts are like Miami this year according to several reliable sources.

Who will benefit from this??
Tsonga Fish and DelPo will tear their hair, Murray will be satisfied. Djokovic? Federer? I think this might be good for the old man since what he needs is TIME even if he doesnt realize this himself. You cant play the same tennis now as you did at 26 Roger, just realize!

Imo, no big guys will be in the QF like DelPo Tsonga Berdych Cilic etc.

That's impossible. This isn't a grass court you can water down. The courts are made of concrete, how could they change their speed?

They would never do it, they want Roddick to win.

TennisandMusic
08-27-2011, 12:57 PM
That's impossible. This isn't a grass court you can water down. The courts are made of concrete, how could they change their speed?

They would never do it, they want Roddick to win.

They could add more grit to the paint to give it a higher bounce. But it's STILL decoturf or whatever they use. All the haranguing over this surface stuff is just plain dumb. It's not like it will play like clay, it won't even be close.

Lsmkenpo
08-27-2011, 12:57 PM
That's impossible. This isn't a grass court you can water down. The courts are made of concrete, how could they change their speed?

They would never do it, they want Roddick to win.

The courts are resurfaced every year before the US Open and the speed is manipulated by the grain size and density of sand added to the top coat. The more sand you add and the bigger the grain the slower the court plays.

Ben Hadd
08-27-2011, 12:57 PM
All courts playing similar is lame.

Lsmkenpo
08-27-2011, 12:59 PM
Which is fastest out of Indian Wells, Miami and US Open?

The US Open. Miami and IW are about as slow as you can possibly make a HC.

Clarky21
08-27-2011, 01:06 PM
All courts playing similar is lame.

It is. And it definitely makes the career slam mean jack all because of it.

JoelDali
08-27-2011, 01:12 PM
Every year a thread like this is created for USO and Wimby.

In last year's "the USO courts are slow" thread I spread the rumor that Toni sprinkled red clay on the courts and the ***** believed it.

JoelDali
08-27-2011, 01:14 PM
OK, got some inside info from Flushing Meadows.

Inside?

I've played there 6 times in the last week.

LOL

What do you wanna know?

They are grainy and slow, and using Penn ATP balls that fluff up with the humidity will make it even more slow.

Theres your inside info.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 01:17 PM
Inside?

I've played there 6 times in the last week.

LOL

What do you wanna know?

They are grainy and slow, and using Penn ATP balls that fluff up with the humidity will make it even more slow.

Theres your inside info.

Whats your problem?
Lots of posters seem to appreciate this info.
The court is playing slow because you SUCK. They are interested how it plays for the pros, not some amateur

samurai13
08-27-2011, 01:22 PM
Rafael Nadal Has Got It

JoelDali
08-27-2011, 01:23 PM
Yer so touchy lately especially after threatening "to leave Talk Tennis" a few months ago.

Chill out freaky boy.

Your inside info is well known and was discussed at lengths in 100 other threads.

Quit being a woman.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-27-2011, 01:26 PM
Yer so touchy lately especially after threatening "to leave Talk Tennis" a few months ago.

Chill out freaky boy.

Your inside info is well known and was discussed at lengths in 100 other threads.

Quit being a woman.

Im not, but your approach was arrogant.

If you have a problem with this, find another thread.

What?? :-?

CCNM
08-27-2011, 02:07 PM
*sigh* like I've said before, If you are truly a great tennis player you can adapt your game to different surfaces and speeds. I guess they want everybody to play the same way? If so that's pretty sad. :(

Hood_Man
08-27-2011, 02:28 PM
Apologies if this has been posted already, but here's another webpage discussing the court speed, interviews with Federer and Fish.

http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2011/08/us-open-2011-federer-fish-on-the-slowing-of-flushing/

ben123
08-27-2011, 02:41 PM
Apologies if this has been posted already, but here's another webpage discussing the court speed, interviews with Federer and Fish.

http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2011/08/us-open-2011-federer-fish-on-the-slowing-of-flushing/

this link and basicly the whole thread sound horrible wtf are the atp manager doing

15_ounce
08-27-2011, 04:53 PM
I have looked into this a little deeper to see why so many tournaments are being slowed down. It just so happens that one company either owns or manages too many tournaments during the season namely the AO open, Wimbledon, Miami, and others this company is called IMG they also happen to represent certain tennis players. Hmm? Last paragraph on this link. A slow court gives IMG the best chance to get a matchup between its two biggest tennis clients.
http://www.imgworld.com/news/news/2011/jan/img-signs-russian-tennis-powerhouse-anastasia-pavl.aspx

This is the third time in the past 10 years the US Open has been slowed down by its tournament director. Guess who this guy worked for before he became tournament director ten years ago Yep, IMG

Here is the name of the man who has ruined the US Open and his Email address. Perhaps everyone should send him an email asking why he decided to slow the US Open down 3 times now.
Jim Curley US Open tournament director curley@usta.com

I bet this post gets deleted very quickly.

Wow... it sounds pathetic that people can slow down courts....

Qubax
08-27-2011, 05:15 PM
I would think that this would hurt Roddick's chances substantially.

Not that he was a real threat, but beating Almagro 3rd, Ferrer, 4th is all that's between A-Rod and a matchup with Rafa in the Quarters.

If the courts are slow though....which they were when Andy played Wawrinka at the Australian Open then Roddick could be in big trouble...

TenFanLA
08-27-2011, 05:16 PM
I heard from a reliable source that FO is going to be even worse. In 2012 the surface will be so slow the players will be able to towel off during the rally. :|

bluetrain4
08-27-2011, 06:22 PM
Yup, this is why Agassi is vastly underrated in the pantheon of champions. Much more talented than Sampras actually despite the slam tallies. If Agassi's head was committed throughout, he would have roasted Sampras like a coffee bean.

Agassi is the prime and best example, but there are plenty of others for whom the previous diversity of surfaces is something that makes their feats more impressive. Think of Edberg, Lendl and Courier, who made all Slam finals when the surfaces were very diverse. In fact Edberg made Slam finals on old AO grass, Wimbledon fast grass, AO Rebound Ace, FO slow clay, and USO Decoturf. It makes even players who simply made all 4 SFs during their career more impressive.

I hate the trend of universally slower surfaces. Yes, I know there are still some differences, and there's not complete homogenization. And, there really couldn't be given that, despite the bounce, the footing/movement for clay, grass, hard is inherently different. But, still, don't like where this is going, and prefer the era of widely divergent surfaces. Also, people often forget how much the ball can affect conditions.

jackson vile
08-28-2011, 06:34 AM
It is. And it definitely makes the career slam mean jack all because of it.

You had better check the last time a Grand Slam was made and what the surfaces were like. As if far outweighs a career slam.

TopFH
08-28-2011, 06:41 AM
Safe to say, that itīs still the fastest HC out there.

What about Paris Indoors?

FedExpress 333
08-28-2011, 06:53 AM
WOW.

I was proud of the USO before.

This sucks BIG time.

Blade0324
08-28-2011, 07:48 AM
I just don't understand all the disappointment in the USO surface being slower and the overall speed of the surfaces being similar. To me this is a good thing! Players have to adapt less and thus can spend less time preparing and adjusting and more time improving their games. As a result the level of play will continue to improve. Of course, yes, there are two hand bh and baseline play, but to me that is at that heart of what makes tennis interesting. Too much net play, other than finishing there when set up shortens points and is just not as athletic or entertaining to the masses. If you don't like it, don't watch! I for one will be at the USO for the first time and am thrilled that there will be long rallies on slow gritty courts!

JoelDali
08-28-2011, 07:56 AM
I spoke to the Wilson Rep and he said the courts are disappearing.

not_federer
08-28-2011, 08:40 AM
The surfaces are not the same, there's no complete homogenization...



What an snobish and pretentious post... only those who think tennis on fast HCs is better know a thing about tennis. Of course :rolleyes:

Man this just isn't true. Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE that the physical properties of concrete, grass and clay changed in ten years? Like, seriously?

Seems like most people on this board STILL don't play tennis, and have never played on all the surfaces. The surfaces are not "homogenized".

This stupid TW meme needs to stop. It's not true. It's nothing more than complete and utter ignorance.

There ARE differences in surfaces based on their composition. Every HC is different and speed/ball bounce can be adjusted.

We aren't saying fast HC is the only way to go. In fact we are saying the opposite: there IS NO ONLY way to go. We want different courts to play at different speeds.

Sartorius
08-28-2011, 10:28 AM
I just don't understand all the disappointment in the USO surface being slower and the overall speed of the surfaces being similar. To me this is a good thing! Players have to adapt less and thus can spend less time preparing and adjusting and more time improving their games. As a result the level of play will continue to improve. Of course, yes, there are two hand bh and baseline play, but to me that is at that heart of what makes tennis interesting. Too much net play, other than finishing there when set up shortens points and is just not as athletic or entertaining to the masses. If you don't like it, don't watch! I for one will be at the USO for the first time and am thrilled that there will be long rallies on slow gritty courts!

Wow.

:(

stringertom
08-28-2011, 04:30 PM
man..if this true im stunned. I dont understand why they would slow down the USO courts.

It's the simplest way to abdicate the throne to Cinci as the Real American Slam!