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celoft
08-27-2011, 07:24 PM
Michael Stich (1991)
Andre Agassi (1992)
Novak Djokovic (2011)

Looking at history, this Wimbledon title might be Nole's only one. Michael Stich and Andre Agassi only won 1 Wimbledon.

kishnabe
08-27-2011, 07:38 PM
It could be...but Agassi got to another final. Djokovic if he gets another chance at a final you never know!

RCizzle65
08-27-2011, 07:43 PM
Yeah, Agassi lost to God-mode Pete in his second final, who knows if he ran into any other player, and he's had some deep runs at Wimbly too. The next few Wimbledon's could get interesting, with Nadal and Federer further slipping....maybe Harrison shall step up :P

Tammo
08-27-2011, 08:00 PM
I've always thought that Djokovic is most vulnerable at Wimbledon, and maybe I'm wrong. I thought Novak would get a French title before Wimbledon. As for future winners I predict Tsonga will snatch a title eventually.

NadalAgassi
08-27-2011, 08:29 PM
Djokovic will win another Wimbledon for sure. The only other possible winners in the forseeable future are Murray and Nadal. I guess Tsonga has an outside shot, if he ever wins a slam it will probably be Wimbledon, but still unlikely. The up and comers have a long way to go. Federer will never win another Wimbledon for sure looking at his play on grass of late.

cc0509
08-27-2011, 08:40 PM
I've always thought that Djokovic is most vulnerable at Wimbledon, and maybe I'm wrong. I thought Novak would get a French title before Wimbledon. As for future winners I predict Tsonga will snatch a title eventually.

For the life of me, I can't see that happening.

NadalAgassi
08-27-2011, 09:01 PM
For the life of me, I can't see that happening.

The 2008 Australian Open was Tsongas chance to win a major. I doubt he will get another one that good. It is funny how players who reach their first major final in their early 20s seem super relaxed and sometimes not very focused, like they are sure they will get more chances. History shows many of the non superstars who get to a final, even fairly young, do not get another chance. If you arent a top 5 regular and you are on a hot streak, you had best do all you can to ride it all the way, since that is probably as good as it well get for you.

Tony48
08-27-2011, 09:10 PM
Well there aren't many grass court tournaments for Djokovic to win. In a given season, he only plays 2. So it's statistically more probable for Wimbledon to be ANYONE'S first grass court tournament.

The final between Nadal & Djokovic at Queens was really tight and if Djokovic won it, Wimbledon would have been Nadal's 1st grass title as well.

glazkovss
08-27-2011, 09:16 PM
The 2008 Australian Open was Tsongas chance to win a major. I doubt he will get another one that good. It is funny how players who reach their first major final in their early 20s seem super relaxed and sometimes not very focused, like they are sure they will get more chances. History shows many of the non superstars who get to a final, even fairly young, do not get another chance. If you arent a top 5 regular and you are on a hot streak, you had best do all you can to ride it all the way, since that is probably as good as it well get for you.

That is probably the season for Delpo being ro hyped up: he didn't let his chance sleep away like so many do.

veroniquem
08-28-2011, 11:43 AM
Sure. I really don't see Djoko as a grass specialist on the whole. I think he was lucky this year. I suspect most of his titles will be on hard (with clay second).

celoft
08-28-2011, 12:38 PM
I've always thought that Djokovic is most vulnerable at Wimbledon, and maybe I'm wrong. I thought Novak would get a French title before Wimbledon. As for future winners I predict Tsonga will snatch a title eventually.

All the multiple Wimbledon winners of the past 35 years, won at least one title on grass before they won their first Wimbledon. Djoko doesn't fit the profile of the multiple Wimbledon winners. If he wins RG, most likely it will be just one as well. He will win most of his slams on HC, like Agassi for example.

cc0509
08-28-2011, 06:36 PM
The 2008 Australian Open was Tsongas chance to win a major. I doubt he will get another one that good. It is funny how players who reach their first major final in their early 20s seem super relaxed and sometimes not very focused, like they are sure they will get more chances. History shows many of the non superstars who get to a final, even fairly young, do not get another chance. If you arent a top 5 regular and you are on a hot streak, you had best do all you can to ride it all the way, since that is probably as good as it well get for you.

Yes, plus Tsonga to me is just not anywhere near "great" material. He is too inconsistent. There are not that many "greats" in the history of tennis. Every ten years or so you may have a great or two but the rest are just good players who are part of the pack.

jokinla
08-29-2011, 12:22 AM
All the multiple Wimbledon winners of the past 35 years, won at least one title on grass before they won their first Wimbledon. Djoko doesn't fit the profile of the multiple Wimbledon winners. If he wins RG, most likely it will be just one as well. He will win most of his slams on HC, like Agassi for example.

When you show up to the US Open having only lost two matches all year, you fit the profile of a player capable of winning anything and everything.

Gorecki
08-29-2011, 03:26 AM
All the multiple Wimbledon winners of the past 35 years, won at least one title on grass before they won their first Wimbledon. Djoko doesn't fit the profile of the multiple Wimbledon winners. If he wins RG, most likely it will be just one as well. He will win most of his slams on HC, like Agassi for example.

Runner-up (0/1) 1990 French Open Clay Andrιs Gσmez 6–3, 2–6, 6–4, 6–4
Runner-up (0/2) 1990 US Open Hard Pete Sampras 6–4, 6–3, 6–2
Runner-up (0/3) 1991 French Open Clay Jim Courier 3–6, 6–4, 2–6, 6–1, 6–4
Runner-up (3/4) 1995 US Open Hard Pete Sampras 6–4, 6–3, 4–6, 7–5
Runner-up (4/5) 1999 Wimbledon Grass Pete Sampras 6–3, 6–4, 7–5
Runner-up (7/6) 2002 US Open Hard Pete Sampras 6–3, 6–4, 5–7, 6–4
Runner-up (8/7) 2005 US Open Hard Roger Federer 6–3, 2–6, 7–6(1), 6–1


Now that was not a very smart thing to say, given that if you are in a final, you are mostlikely the other guy who can win the whole shebang! isnt it?

celoft
08-29-2011, 05:15 AM
When you show up to the US Open having only lost two matches all year, you fit the profile of a player capable of winning anything and everything.

I'm talking long-term.

Runner-up (0/1) 1990 French Open Clay Andrιs Gσmez 6–3, 2–6, 6–4, 6–4
Runner-up (0/2) 1990 US Open Hard Pete Sampras 6–4, 6–3, 6–2
Runner-up (0/3) 1991 French Open Clay Jim Courier 3–6, 6–4, 2–6, 6–1, 6–4
Runner-up (3/4) 1995 US Open Hard Pete Sampras 6–4, 6–3, 4–6, 7–5
Runner-up (4/5) 1999 Wimbledon Grass Pete Sampras 6–3, 6–4, 7–5
Runner-up (7/6) 2002 US Open Hard Pete Sampras 6–3, 6–4, 5–7, 6–4
Runner-up (8/7) 2005 US Open Hard Roger Federer 6–3, 2–6, 7–6(1), 6–1


Now that was not a very smart thing to say, given that if you are in a final, you are mostlikely the other guy who can win the whole shebang! isnt it?

Agassi still just won 2 slams on natural surfaces. No matter how many finals he made....

CourtlyLove
08-30-2011, 03:18 PM
Looking at history, this Wimbledon title might be Nole's only one. Michael Stich and Andre Agassi only won 1 Wimbledon.

All the multiple Wimbledon winners of the past 35 years, won at least one title on grass before they won their first Wimbledon. Djoko doesn't fit the profile of the multiple Wimbledon winners.

...You realise that what Michael Stich and Agassi did has absolutely no bearing on how Djokovic will do, right? It's not a telling statistic. It's a somewhat strange triviality.

celoft
08-30-2011, 04:55 PM
...You realise that what Michael Stich and Agassi did has absolutely no bearing on how Djokovic will do, right? It's not a telling statistic. It's a somewhat strange triviality.

I think Djoko's career could be similar to Agassi's. That's a compliment.

Joe Pike
08-30-2011, 08:37 PM
All the multiple Wimbledon winners of the past 35 years, won at least one title on grass before they won their first Wimbledon. Djoko doesn't fit the profile of the multiple Wimbledon winners. If he wins RG, most likely it will be just one as well. He will win most of his slams on HC, like Agassi for example.

Wrong.
Graf won 7 grass titles in her career.
All of them in Wimbledon.

CourtlyLove
08-30-2011, 08:46 PM
I think Djoko's career could be similar to Agassi's. That's a compliment.

Okay...but it's stupid to come from that conclusion just from the bizarre triviality that their first grass court title was Wimbledon.

CourtlyLove
08-30-2011, 08:48 PM
"Djokovic won his first Wimbledon final. So did Bjorn Borg.

Therefore, Djokovic will win 11 majors."

It doesn't work like that, dude.

celoft
08-31-2011, 05:27 AM
Bump.......................

celoft
02-23-2012, 06:12 AM
Bump.......................

joeri888
02-23-2012, 06:17 AM
Djokovic only played lapdogs and clowns to win Wimbledon. Had he played Federer or Murray, he would have lost.

celoft
02-23-2012, 06:18 AM
Djokovic only played lapdogs and clowns to win Wimbledon. Had he played Federer or Murray, he would have lost.

Agreed 100%

I will be shocked if he wins Wimbledon again.