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TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 01:18 PM
Novak Djokovic's Secret: Sitting in a Pressurized Egg


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576532854267519860.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop#articleTabs%3Da rticle

The Wall Street Journal: TENNIS AUGUST 28, 2011, 1:44 P.M. ET
By HANNAH KARP

Serbian tennis star Novak Djokovic hasn't earned his No. 1 raking by taking the conventional road. There's his odd ritual of excessive ball bouncing before serves, which can break an opponent's concentration. There's his new gluten-free diet, which he's said has helped him feel stronger on the court.

But now there's something truly weird: the **** Pod.

Ever since last year's U.S. Open, Djokovic has been trying to improve his fitness by climbing into a rare $75,000 egg-shaped, bobsled-sized pressure chamber.

The machine, which is made by a California-based company called **** Systems and hasn't been banned by any sports governing bodies, is one of only 20 in the world. Unlike the increasingly trendy $5,000 hyperbaric chambers many professional athletes use to saturate the blood with oxygen and stimulate healing, the **** is a considerably more-ambitious contraption. It uses a computer-controlled valve and a vacuum pump to simulate high altitude and compress the muscles at rhythmic intervals.

The company claims that spending up to 20 minutes in the pod three times a week can boost athletic performance by improving circulation, boosting oxygen-rich red-blood cells, removing lactic acid and possibly even stimulating mitochondrial biogenesis and stem-cell production.

Djokovic is so convinced that the pod helps his game that during the U.S. Open, which starts Monday, he's staying (for the fourth year) with a wealthy tennis-trainer friend in Alpine, N.J. who keeps one of the machines on his property.

Djokovic has never mentioned the pod publicly before. He acknowledged using it for the first time last week during a sponsor event in New York after he was asked about it for this article. "I think it really helps—not with muscle but more with recovery after an exhausting set," he said. "It's like a spaceship. It's very interesting technology."

The pod, which is seven feet long, three feet wide and seven feet high with the lid open, looks like a cross between a tanning bed and the giant egg Lady Gaga emerged from at the Grammys. **** says its pod is different from other pressurized chambers on the market because it combines altitude pressure with cyclic compression (a combination some studies suggest is more effective than one or the other). Because the pressure, temperature, air density in the **** pod can be adjusted, the company says it enhances an athlete's ability to adapt to a range of conditions.

While pod users don't do much beyond sitting while they are inside (cellphone use is permitted), **** Systems chief executive Allen Ruszkowski says the treatment seems to have many of the same effects on the body as intense exercise. He claims that the technology may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping—a banned form of performance enhancement.

Former U.S. Olympic wrestling coach Bob Anderson, motocross racer Ivan Tedesco and ultra cyclist George Vargas say they've used the pod and believe it helps. ****'s Ruszkowski says a slew of other high-profile athletes use the Pod but often insist the company doesn't tell anyone, "because they feel it's a competitive advantage." Rock star Axl Rose owns a pod as well, according to his assistant.

The pod Djokovic is using for the Open belongs to 38-year-old tennis pro Gordon Uehling III, who reached a career-high ranking of No. 925 on the ATP Tour in 2001 and now runs a tennis school called CourtSense at the Tenafly Racquet Club in Tenafly, N.J. He has also worked with rising American star Christina McHale, who is ranked No. 66 and beat the top-ranked Caroline Wozniacki in Cincinnati earlier this month.

In addition to the indoor court, Uehling's family estate features outdoor courts with different surfaces—plus an artificial lake, where Djokovic says he's gone fishing. "We have absolutely everything here!" Djokovic wrote last August in a diary entry on his website. "You wouldn't believe it."

Uehling declined to comment for this article. Djokovic and other players who know him say he's a visionary obsessed with cutting-edge performance technologies. "He loves to explore the future of athletic edges—and he has the resources to do it," says former top-20 player Vince Spadea, who hit with Djokovic in Alpine last summer when he says Novak was first "experimenting" with the pod at Uehling's estate. "He was looking to improve some of the challenges he was having—breathing capacity, allergies—and definitely something clicked there."

Spadea says he didn't dare set foot in the pod himself because he doesn't share Djokovic's "daredevil mentality." Djokovic's Serbian countryman, Janko Tipsarevic, currently ranked No. 20, says he's heard about the pod but hasn't tried it yet, either.

Geoff Grant, tennis director at CourtSense, says he braved the pressure chamber at Uehling's request and felt like he was taking off in an airplane as his ears popped. He says he hasn't used it enough to notice a difference in his play, but adds that some of his clients who go more regularly are hooked and "say it's like a drug."

"It's weird—it's definitely something from the future," Grant said last week at the racquet club. "I think Novak was going to get in it today."

In 2006 the World Anti-Doping Agency ruled that such oxygen tents enhance performance and violate "the spirit of sport," but did not add them to the list of banned substances and methods, saying they would wait until further studies were conducted.

Patrick McEnroe, the USTA's director of player development, says he's skeptical that any such contraption could have much impact on tennis performance. "I don't really take this stuff particularly seriously," says McEnroe, noting that Djokovic has not only improved his fitness this year but has also fixed key problems in his game, revamping his serve and developing a newly devastating forehand. "Maybe there are a few things that have helped (Djokovic) mentally, but let's remember that before he tried his gluten-free diet or went into a hyperbaric chamber he had already won a Grand Slam and beat Roger Federer."

Lou Lamoriello, the general manager of the NHL's New Jersey Devils, says he attended a presentation last year with his coaching staff in which Uehling cited Djokovic's defeat of Roger Federer in the 2010 U.S. Open semifinal as evidence of the **** unit's effectiveness.

Lamoriello says he was intrigued but not entirely convinced—and isn't ready to have his players try it out yet. He said he wonders if some of the effect is psychological. "If you believe in something it's going to be a lot more powerful," he says.

Clarky21
08-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Ok,so this is like legal blood doping? If so it should be banned no question about it.

TennisandMusic
08-28-2011, 01:28 PM
IF (a big if) that article is accurate it would explain why he came back from that late 3 set match against Murray on clay and looked far fresher than Nadal less than 24 hours later. I thought that was unbelievable.

Ballbashing Grinder
08-28-2011, 01:29 PM
Nice contraption and all but it's nothing major in Djoker's success. There's only twenty in the world and this dude in New Jersey has one, which he sat in around the USO last year. He doesn't travel with one so he played all of 2011(his dream year) without access to one and according to the article: "The company claims that spending up to 20 minutes in the pod three times a week can boost athletic performance by improving circulation, boosting oxygen-rich red-blood cells..."

So you have to sit in it 3 times a week and he only sat in it once in a year. You can't travel to tournaments with a 75 grand pod in a plane and the article says this guy is one of the only ones to have one. Yeah, something of nothing.

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 01:30 PM
Very interesting! Djoker's sort-of our New Age version of a tennis star -trying out newfangled approaches, lending them credence with his every win...

But - uh - did he sit in this egg just prior to takeoff against Fed in the FO semi? Perhaps the thing was scrambled that day?:)

I just can't see Fed or Nadal stepping into this contraption. Murray - well, he might for laughs.

I can't even imagine Andy Schleck trying it out! But it could be the answer for some of those crazies in the Tour de France...

veroniquem
08-28-2011, 01:36 PM
If placebos work, even for cancer, they can surely work for tennis as well. Tennis is extremely mental. Belief in winning makes a huge difference as Rafa's case illustrates very well.


ETA: it could help with his breathing problems though, who knows.

Ballbashing Grinder
08-28-2011, 01:37 PM
Very interesting! Djoker's sort-of our New Age version of a tennis star -trying out newfangled approaches, lending them credence with his every win...

But - uh - did he sit in this egg just prior to takeoff against Fed in the FO semi? Perhaps the thing was scrambled that day?:)

I just can't see Fed or Nadal stepping into this contraption. Murray - well, he might for laughs.

I can't even imagine Andy Schleck trying it out! But it could be the answer for some of those crazies in the Tour de France...

That's what I'm saying. Article said he just gave it a go at USO last year. They're extremely rare so you can't carry a 75 grand pod contraption from hotel to hotel. And it says you need to use it three times a week for benefit. Once last year isn't gonna be much of an influence on 2011

Rock Strongo
08-28-2011, 01:40 PM
I sleep in an oxygenated tent to improve libido.

Clarky21
08-28-2011, 01:40 PM
I don't think he should be allowed to use this thing. It's clearly blood doping,and is blatant cheating. It's far from new age or cool. It also explains a lot for me this year for me too as to his miraculous season considering his past stamina issues.

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 01:41 PM
IF (a big if) that article is accurate .

Excuse me...

This is the Wall Street Journal, not some smallish amateur blog. There shouldn't even be a question on the authenticity of this article.

It's true 100%.

This just goes to show that Djokovic is a SMART player who is ahead of the curve and uses "beyond" state of art equipment to give himself every edge possible. No wonder he was able to rise to the top in the presence of legends such as Federer and Nadal.

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 01:43 PM
Excuse me...

This is the Wall Street Journal, not some smallish amateur blog. There shouldn't even be a question on the authenticity of this article.

It's true 100%.

This just goes to show that Djokovic is a SMART player who is ahead of the curve and uses "beyond" state of art equipment to give himself every edge possible. No wonder he was able to rise to the top in the presence of legends such as Federer and Nadal.

To Infinity - And Beyond!!!!!!!

d4o
08-28-2011, 01:45 PM
If this is true, I will lose all respect for him.

Clarky21
08-28-2011, 01:45 PM
Excuse me...

This is the Wall Street Journal, not some smallish amateur blog. There shouldn't even be a question on the authenticity of this article.

It's true 100%.

This just goes to show that Djokovic is a SMART player who is ahead of the curve and uses "beyond" state of art equipment to give himself every edge possible. No wonder he was able to rise to the top in the presence of legends such as Federer and Nadal.

This is not in any way "smart". How do you figure that when he is using something to increase red blood cells in his body so he can outlast everyone on tour? How do people not see this as cheating? I hope they ban this thing in the future,but I am not holding my breath that will ever happen considering the circumstances.

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 01:46 PM
I sleep in an oxygenated tent to improve libido.

LOL.........

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 01:51 PM
This is not in any way "smart". How do you figure that when he is using something to increase red blood cells in his body so he can outlast everyone on tour? How do people not see this as cheating? I hope they ban this thing in the future,but I am not holding my breath that will ever happen considering the circumstances.

Buddy..everything is fair in love and war :) As long as it's allowed, why not take advantage of it?

Djokovic also changed his racquet head recently, and has reportedly made several changes w.r.t his fitness equipment, hired a new trainer together with trying some new medications to improve his breathing, allergy issues.

As I said before, it's all about getting ahead of the curve, while others (Nadal and Fed?) continue to be old mustache Petes and get left behind..

Ballbashing Grinder
08-28-2011, 01:52 PM
I don't think he should be allowed to use this thing. It's clearly blood doping,and is blatant cheating. It's far from new age or cool. It also explains a lot for me this year for me too as to his miraculous season considering his past stamina issues.

Where does it say he uses it throughout the year? It said he used it once last year and it says it needs to be used three times a week for benefit. He didn't have access to one of these during first half of 2011. Lots of athletes go up into the high altitude mountains to increase red blood cells and this simulates high-altitude conditions. He didn't inject anything into his blood like EPO or some crap.

Do you think Tour De France riders wouldn't be all over these pods if they were LEGAL and had anywhere near the effect of EPO

veroniquem
08-28-2011, 01:53 PM
Ok,so this is like legal blood doping? If so it should be banned no question about it.





And that's a fan of Djoko?
Outbeyond, are you here? Please, explain.

CCNM
08-28-2011, 01:55 PM
Hmmm. Interesting. BTW there's a good article in this week's TIME magazine about Novak. It says he's against Kosovo's independence, among other things.

Clarky21
08-28-2011, 01:57 PM
And that's a fan of Djoko?
Outbeyond, are you here? Please, explain.

I cannot stand Djokovic,and I am no fan of his. I have never liked him,even before he started using Michael Jackson's oxygen chamber,magnetotherapy,and even before his supposed gluten allergy. Your perception of who I am a fan of is way off on this one. Care to try again?

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 01:57 PM
And that's a fan of Djoko?
Outbeyond, are you here? Please, explain.

Clarky's got that Tea Party thing goin' on.:)

veroniquem
08-28-2011, 01:59 PM
I cannot stand Djokovic,and I am no fan of his. I have never liked him,even before he started using Michael Jackson's oxygen chamber,magnetotherapy,and even before his supposed gluten allergy. Your perception of who I am a fan of is way off on this one. Care to try again?


Hey that's just Outbeyond 's opinion. I definitely identify you as a Rafa and Novak hater.
Fed worshipper maybe? :twisted:

Clarky21
08-28-2011, 02:00 PM
Buddy..everything is fair in love and war :) As long as it's allowed, why not take advantage of it?

Djokovic also changed his racquet head recently, and has reportedly made several changes w.r.t his fitness equipment, hired a new trainer together with trying some new medications to improve his breathing, allergy issues.

As I said before, it's all about getting ahead of the curve, while others (Nadal and Fed?) continue to be old mustache Petes and get left behind..

Completely disagree with you here. No amount of changes to his racket can produce numbers like he is having this year. Here are his winning percentages over the last 4 years:


2007 - 78%
2008 - 79%
2009 - 80%
2010 - 77%
2011 - 98%

That big of a jump is caused by a racket change and new fitness trainer? Sorry,I don't buy it.

celoft
08-28-2011, 02:00 PM
But - uh - did he sit in this egg just prior to takeoff against Fed in the FO semi? Perhaps the thing was scrambled that day?:) ..

:lol::lol:

Smasher08
08-28-2011, 02:01 PM
You know what, up til this year, I think that the vast majority of Djoker's impediments to consistently breaking through the top two were mental.

So if he finds that this placebo effect helps, so be it.

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 02:03 PM
You know what, up til this year, I think that the vast majority of Djoker's impediments to consistently breaking through the top two were mental.

So if he finds that this placebo effect helps, so be it.

The placebo of a millionaire.:)

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 02:13 PM
That big of a jump is caused by a racket change and new fitness trainer? Sorry,I don't buy it.

I didn't even say that it's JUST those 2 things. It's a combination of several things including those 2 + maturity + pressurized egg + decline of Nadal/Fed + djoko entering his prime etc etc. It's a team effort together with Djoko deciding to take control of his life.

I just like the fact that Djokovic is taking advantage of what technology has to offer and is flexible enough to look at things and change/ADAPT. That is something most tennis players don't do easily. You only need to look at the #2 for a good example..

I like the fact that Djoko stood up to the challenge and left the rest of the ATP licking dust. His 2011 season will probably go as better than ANY even peak Fed produced.
One year ago, who'd have thunk? :)

TennisandMusic
08-28-2011, 02:13 PM
Excuse me...

This is the Wall Street Journal, not some smallish amateur blog. There shouldn't even be a question on the authenticity of this article.

It's true 100%.

This just goes to show that Djokovic is a SMART player who is ahead of the curve and uses "beyond" state of art equipment to give himself every edge possible. No wonder he was able to rise to the top in the presence of legends such as Federer and Nadal.

Yep, all journalism is 100% on the up and up when it's in the WSJ. Same for the NY Times.

How old are you man, 12?

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 02:14 PM
So if he finds that this placebo effect helps, so be it.

Why does it HAVE to be a placebo? I think other tennis players should use it to.

It's like the new racquet, string and fitness technology that we have now which no one thought of in the 90s..

Ballbashing Grinder
08-28-2011, 02:15 PM
Completely disagree with you here. No amount of changes to his racket can produce numbers like he is having this year. Here are his winning percentages over the last 4 years:


2007 - 78%
2008 - 79%
2009 - 80%
2010 - 77%
2011 - 98%

That big of a jump is caused by a racket change and new fitness trainer? Sorry,I don't buy it.

WTF does that matter? The matches have all been close and there has been no "Djokovic out of their league" trashings.(which is the only thing that would be suspicious) The matches against top players have all been very tight and people seem to forget that the matches Djokovic lost in the past to these guys were really tight too, not him getting beat downs. Should have taken the first two sets against Fed in the 07 USO final,choked, lost in 4 in 08, 3 really tight sets in 09 USO with a choked TB from Djok, not to mention that fluffed smash on match point down on his own serve at 4-5, 3rd set in the Olympics against Nadal. Djokovic has always had more than enough potential to beat these guys, but just bottled it mentally for a while. What's made the difference is improving his mentality , and turning around just a couple of key points in a big match that he was losing previously

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Yep, all journalism is 100% on the up and up when it's in the WSJ. Same for the NY Times.


I didn't say that exactly. No journalism is perfect. What I mean is, I trust WSJ more than Tennis.com, ATP.com and the thousand of blogs, message boards etc. The guys at the Journal have more accountability.

WSJ has also supplied verbatim quotes by Novak, other players and PMac. Those cannot be inaccurate. Furthermore the article does NOT make a irrefutable claim, it just supplies some facts allowing the reader to make up his own mind.

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Yep, all journalism is 100% on the up and up when it's in the WSJ. Same for the NY Times.

How old are you man, 12?

Well, sorry, I tend to agree with TandM on this one. Certainly I find the WSJ and NYT a bit more reliable than the gossip of posters on TW.:)

jackson vile
08-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Ok,so this is like legal blood doping? If so it should be banned no question about it.

So you are against high altitude training also, heck just living higher up in the atmosphere gets the job done. Further more, there is no real evidence that the contraption even works LOL

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 02:17 PM
Why does it HAVE to be a placebo? I think other tennis players should use it to.

It's like the new racquet, string and fitness technology that we have now which no one thought of in the 90s..

So they all need to sit in a $75,000 egg? oy...lol....

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 02:21 PM
So they all need to sit in a $75,000 egg? oy...lol....

No ONE SINGLE thing is EVER a panacea. It's always a combination of several things working together.

All I am saying is, if this helps, then why the hell not use it? Even if it offers very little advantage, it could make all the difference in the end. At the top level, tennis is a game of inches..

Clarky21
08-28-2011, 02:24 PM
WTF does that matter? The matches have all been close and there has been no "Djokovic out of their league" trashings.(which is the only thing that would be suspicious) The matches against top players have all been very tight and people seem to forget that the matches Djokovic lost in the past to these guys were really tight too, not him getting beat downs. Should have taken the first two sets against Fed in the 07 USO final,choked, lost in 4 in 08, 3 really tight sets in 09 USO with a choked TB from Djok, not to mention that fluffed smash on match point down on his own serve at 4-5, 3rd set in the Olympics against Nadal. Djokovic has always had more than enough potential to beat these guys, but just bottled it mentally for a while. What's made the difference is improving his mentality , and turning around just a couple of key points in a big match that he was losing previously


If you cannot see why those percetages matter than you are hopeless. That is probably the biggest jump in winning percentage I have ever seen in all the years I have been watching tennis. It's practically superhuman to do that,and you trying to explain away a jump of 21% in one year by claiming he is playing the bigger points better gives me a hearty chuckle. Not mention he was supposed to have been able to change his racket,increase his fitnesss,cure his allergies,give himself the stamina to be able to outlast everyone on the tour despite being more defensive than ever,and never fatigue in less than one month at the end of last year,is so unbelievable that I am shocked that people buy that stuff.

Anyway,I better stop replying to this topic before I get myself banned,but I will say some folks are so naive about this kind of stuff it's scary.

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 02:27 PM
If you cannot see why those percetages matter than you are hopeless. That is probably the biggest jump in winning percentage I have ever seen in all the years I have been watching tennis. It's practically superhuman to do that,and you trying to explain away a jump of 21% in one year by claiming he is playing the bigger points better gives me a hearty chuckle. Not mention he was supposed to have been able to change his racket,increase his fitnesss,cure his allergies,give himself the stamina to be able to outlast everyone on the tour despite being more defensive than ever,and never fatigue in less than one month at the end of last year,is so unbelievable that I am shocked that people buy that stuff.

Anyway,I better stop replying to this topic before I get myself banned,but I will say some folks are so naive about this kind of stuff it's scary.

Clarky, the only reason they'd ban you is for excessive hyperbole.:)

Ballbashing Grinder
08-28-2011, 02:41 PM
If you cannot see why those percetages matter than you are hopeless. That is probably the biggest jump in winning percentage I have ever seen in all the years I have been watching tennis. It's practically superhuman to do that,and you trying to explain away a jump of 21% in one year by claiming he is playing the bigger points better gives me a hearty chuckle. Not mention he was supposed to have been able to change his racket,increase his fitnesss,cure his allergies,give himself the stamina to be able to outlast everyone on the tour despite being more defensive than ever,and never fatigue in less than one month at the end of last year,is so unbelievable that I am shocked that people buy that stuff.

Anyway,I better stop replying to this topic before I get myself banned,but I will say some folks are so naive about this kind of stuff it's scary.

Those percentages when you see the matches aren't weird. People read into stats too much. He lost to Fed and he was tired/injured whatever and lost to Murray.He looks nothing like some unbeatable machine, just a more consistent version of his former self. He could have easily lost to Nadal at both IW and Miami, especially IW, where Nadal's level out of the blue, plummeted mid-match with 30% first serves. Those two matches were vital for the streak. Nadal's confidence went to crap after those and Djokovic's went way up. You should exclude 2010 from your count because Djokovic's serve and confidence were rubbish and he lost to anybody and everybody but in the years before that he generally only lost to the very top. Now he still loses to the top soemtimes( see Fed and Murray) and lots of his top player wins have come against Nadal which might never have happened if Nadal hadn't mentally imploded for no reason at IW and then the subsequent knock-on affect from that, which we've seen. The likes of Berdych and other guys, Djokovic was well able to beat on a consistent basis before(excluding 2010) that's why he was number 3 for four straight years, so dress it up whatever way you want, but the stats aren't as amazing as they seem.

rovex
08-28-2011, 04:20 PM
Oxygenated water is incredibly refreshing - originally I thought it was simply a gimmick but it felt as if I had a sudden boost of energy which, unlike energy drinks, worked.

MichaelNadal
08-28-2011, 04:23 PM
No ONE SINGLE thing is EVER a panacea. It's always a combination of several things working together.

All I am saying is, if this helps, then why the hell not use it? Even if it offers very little advantage, it could make all the difference in the end. At the top level, tennis is a game of inches..

You have a point there.

droliver
08-28-2011, 04:29 PM
There is no evidence that such hyperbaric treatments (HBO) are going to affect performance, and this is coming from someone who perscribes HBO as part of my wound care practice. The whole idea is a loose extrapolation from proven HBO uses (carbon monoxide poison, the "bends" in scuba diving, radiation injury, and peripheral vascular disease) that takes a kernal of truth and goes waaaaaaay beyond any science when applied to normally perfused tissues.

droliver
08-28-2011, 04:32 PM
Also, the improved winning percentages (90%+ ) Nole's posted are not wildly out of a spectrum observed a number of times in the last 25-30 years in tennis over a season by Federer, McEnroe, Graf, Navratalova, and Evert. We also have nearly 20% of the season left during which it's likely he's to lose at least once to bring him back to Fed 2004-2006 territory.

CocaCola
08-28-2011, 04:39 PM
If all this is true, Djokovic would surely not be the one who first discovers it. It all just seems to me like a commercial attempt.

Telepatic
08-28-2011, 04:47 PM
I bet Nole uses it all the way since 2007 and is reason why he's top 3 since then!!!!

In reality, without pressurized egg, he can't hold his racquet!

tennis_fan_182
08-28-2011, 04:48 PM
Yep, all journalism is 100% on the up and up when it's in the WSJ. Same for the NY Times.

How old are you man, 12?

Funny that, I find that the 12 year olds are the ones still believing all those trashy conspiracy theories.

Do you think we never landed on the moon as well?

The government are out to get you, maaaan.

Geez, just believe what you get given and leave the smart people to write it. Why do you think you have the right to question anything? And even if you had the right to, why would you bother?

Anyway - if Djokovic used this contraption just once in 2010 - why are we even talking about this? If he was continually on it throughout 2011 - obviously his achievements are either;

1). Valid, if the authorities decide not to ban sleeping in altitude chambers

or

2). Moot, if they do ban them

It's as simple as that.

droliver
08-28-2011, 04:51 PM
"If all this is true, Djokovic would surely not be the one who first discovers"

He's not. There was a family practice doc near us who use to try to market this to high school athletes to "speed up recovery". Again, there is no evidence to really support HBO for this use so as super-oxygenating adequately perfused tissue for recovery. It would make more sense to deliver this capacity during competition which is what in a sense what blood doping does and why it's banned.

If you look at physiology research on shock, sepsis, and resuscitation what you see are a lot of failed attempts at manipulating normal physiologic responses. From hypertonic saline in trauma patients to super high doses in a diet of anti-oxidant vitamin supplements, what you usually see is either no difference or worse outcomes in patients. The take home message is that it's hard to outsmart nature as there are a lot of alternate pathways of inflammation and there are frequently unintended consequences of manipulating such things. It's why you've seen outcome data on vitamin supplements that counterintuitively show higher instances of preamture death and heart attacks, etc...

Outbeyond
08-28-2011, 04:56 PM
"If all this is true, Djokovic would surely not be the one who first discovers"

He's not. There was a family practice doc near us who use to try to market this to high school athletes to "speed up recovery". Again, there is no evidence to really support HBO for this use so as super-oxygenating adequately perfused tissue for recovery. It would make more sense to deliver this capacity during competition which is what in a sense what blood doping does and why it's banned.

If you look at physiology research on shock, sepsis, and resuscitation what you see are a lot of failed attempts at manipulating normal physiologic responses. From hypertonic saline in trauma patients to super high doses in a diet of anti-oxidant vitamin supplements, what you usually see is either no difference or worse outcomes in patients. The take home message is that it's hard to outsmart nature as there are a lot of alternate pathways of inflammation and there are frequently unintended consequences of manipulating such things. It's why you've seen outcome data on vitamin supplements that counterintuitively show higher instances of preamture death and heart attacks, etc...

Apparently it's not hard to outsmart Djoker...who no doubt pays a pretty penny for these "treatments."

Oh, the places we go!!:twisted:

CocaCola
08-28-2011, 05:00 PM
"If all this is true, Djokovic would surely not be the one who first discovers"

He's not. There was a family practice doc near us who use to try to market this to high school athletes to "speed up recovery". Again, there is no evidence to really support HBO for this use so as super-oxygenating adequately perfused tissue for recovery. It would make more sense to deliver this capacity during competition which is what in a sense what blood doping does and why it's banned.

If you look at physiology research on shock, sepsis, and resuscitation what you see are a lot of failed attempts at manipulating normal physiologic responses. From hypertonic saline in trauma patients to super high doses in a diet of anti-oxidant vitamin supplements, what you usually see is either no difference or worse outcomes in patients. The take home message is that it's hard to outsmart nature as there are a lot of alternate pathways of inflammation and there are frequently unintended consequences of manipulating such things. It's why you've seen outcome data on vitamin supplements that counterintuitively show higher instances of preamture death and heart attacks, etc...

I meant it in "bigger picture" like the world of sports. If it is significantly helpful it would already be used by many world's top athletes, not just Novak.

And thank for the explanation.

frunk
08-28-2011, 05:05 PM
I knew it!

http://i52.tinypic.com/2re0612.jpg

Xizel
08-28-2011, 05:06 PM
Rocky IV. Djokovic is Drago and hopefully Federer is Rocky.

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 05:59 PM
You have a point there.

LOL..Buddy! I always have a point! You should listen to me more often :)

TennisFan3
08-28-2011, 11:26 PM
This DOES have an effect. See the video here. Even WSJ reporter sat inside the egg. Lot of athletes beside Novak are also trying this:

http://online.wsj.com/video/athletes-swear-by-sessions-in-a-pressurized-egg/A41AC972-54E6-415C-8722-C0C1DC2F1E7D.html?mod=djemITP_h

15_ounce
08-29-2011, 07:07 AM
Anything that can increase your blood cells un-naturally should be banned.

Djokovic should be careful using it again next time, apparently **** pod has a side effect: shoulder inflammation :mrgreen:

jackson vile
08-29-2011, 09:51 AM
Rocky IV. Djokovic is Drago and hopefully Federer is Rocky.

No Ronald is the other dude that get put in the hospital or dies LOL

maxpotapov
08-29-2011, 11:03 AM
We've got to give credit to Novak's team for creating a brilliant PR stunt to mess with his opponents' minds, right before US Open.

Imagine what it's like to play against the guy KNOWING that he is doped.

I know what he does in that egg... Just rolling in the cabin laughing at his opponents, you know his sense of humor :twisted:

Gorecki
08-29-2011, 11:50 AM
now we all know why Djokovic has turned Nadal into his Beeotch... he is using this contraption :

http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/1801610

whereas humbalito, being the humble guy he is, is no man to use more than this:
http://bikehappening.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/contraption.jpg

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-29-2011, 11:55 AM
There is nothing revolutionary or pioneer(y) about this.

Raul Gonzalez Blanco and Guti, 2 former Real Madrid football stars started doing this 10 years ago

Baxter
08-29-2011, 12:39 PM
He just said in a news conference that he used a couple of times last year, but hasn't used it this year.

Clarky21
08-29-2011, 12:41 PM
He just said in a news conference that he used a couple of times last year, but hasn't used it this year.

He's just covering his a**. He said yesterday that he intended to use it throughout the USO this year.

sureshs
08-29-2011, 12:44 PM
According to the Journal, it was debated whether to add this to the forbidden list, but they decided to wait for more studies.

Telepatic
08-29-2011, 01:54 PM
Q. There was a story today about your use of hyperbaric chamber for healing.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, I saw that.

Q. And physicality.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah.

Q. What can you tell us about that?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, all I can say is that I have used it a couple of times last year, and I haven't used it since. You know, it's very interesting technology, but I don't know the effect of it. It has nothing to do with my success that I had in last ten months.

Q. The story said you were using it last couple of days.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, it would be great if that machine had wings so it can fly wherever I am playing.

Q. Where is the machine?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: It's in New Jersey, one of the sports complexes there.

Outbeyond
08-29-2011, 03:22 PM
Q. There was a story today about your use of hyperbaric chamber for healing.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, I saw that.

Q. And physicality.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah.

Q. What can you tell us about that?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, all I can say is that I have used it a couple of times last year, and I haven't used it since. You know, it's very interesting technology, but I don't know the effect of it. It has nothing to do with my success that I had in last ten months.

Q. The story said you were using it last couple of days.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, it would be great if that machine had wings so it can fly wherever I am playing.

Q. Where is the machine?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: It's in New Jersey, one of the sports complexes there.

I can only imagine the ribbing he's getting in the locker room...lol...

Ballbashing Grinder
08-29-2011, 03:25 PM
More of the presser:

Q. The story about the pressure chamber, it said you stayed in New Jersey the last couple years.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah.

Q. Is that not the case this year?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I'm staying at the New Jersey again with Gordon, because he's my friend for many years already. He's been in the tennis world for last 15, 20 years. He's been a player himself. Yeah, we're staying in New Jersey because it's very calm, it's very private, and we get to relax after, you know, exhausting day here.

Q. Will you use that since you will be in New Jersey, that chamber?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No, I haven't used it this year because I'm really not intending to change my own routines. I have my own therapist I have with my team and it's been working well, so I have no reason to really try other things.

CocaCola
08-29-2011, 05:20 PM
He's just covering his a**. He said yesterday that he intended to use it throughout the USO this year.

"Well, all I can say is that I have used it a couple of times last year, and I haven't used it since. You know, it's very interesting technology, but I don't know the effect of it. It has nothing to do with my success that I had in last ten months."

You made a fool of yourself biting on to this article and you'r trying it to hard now.

Bjorn99
08-29-2011, 06:35 PM
People are such clucks. This device is nothing compared to some other technologies that are out there. I have a device that is being taken public by five current NHL players that puts this to shame.

But make no mistake bioelectric medicine has been held down too long, it and perfect organic food that has been bioelectrically "washed" are the ultimate. And the future.

Barney Rubble and Fred Flinstone are finally going to get up and off Wilma and Betty and take this prehistoric world into the future.

Ballbashing Grinder
08-29-2011, 07:16 PM
He's just covering his a**. He said yesterday that he intended to use it throughout the USO this year.

Am no, read it again, he didn't. Somebody else said that and they do not know what he does or doesn't do, they were speculating. Djokovic had no access to one all year. They cost 75 grand, he doesn't own one and it is not possible anyway for them to be lugged from hotel to hotel, week in, week out. So after his amazing 2011 without, why would he want that pod? Exactly like he said. And please don't say he has some magic effects from last year. The manufacturers themselves say it needs to be done three times a week. So the effects/benefits(if any, still to be proven that this particular device does work like altitude training) don't last 3 days lol.

He tried it out the new gadget last year. Guy from WSJ tried it out, lot's of people tried it out. Clutching at straws here.

Diagoras
09-16-2011, 12:23 PM
How can anyone NOT find this whole thing to be extremely suspicious?

The guy looks utterly superhuman out there, and has admitted to using this device. Djokovic 2.0 is so much better than Djokovic 1.0 that someone would have to be very naive to be blind to these incredible changes.

Clarky21
09-16-2011, 12:43 PM
How can anyone NOT find this whole thing to be extremely suspicious?

The guy looks utterly superhuman out there, and has admitted to using this device. Djokovic 2.0 is so much better than Djokovic 1.0 that someone would have to be very naive to be blind to these incredible changes.

Qft. And as I have said before,I think this egg contraption is a red herring for what's really going on. Hopefully the truth will be brought to light one of these days.

Netspirit
09-16-2011, 12:49 PM
While everybody is so excited about Djokovic and his run, I would like to remind people that injuries happen very often in tennis, and with the number of matches Djokovic is playing, with his baseline grinding style, they are more than likely to come.

I will not be surprised at all if Djokovic comes crashing down in 2012 with some injury, ends up having to have surgery and never gets back to top 10.

calgarywolf
09-16-2011, 01:44 PM
How can anyone NOT find this whole thing to be extremely suspicious?

The guy looks utterly superhuman out there, and has admitted to using this device. Djokovic 2.0 is so much better than Djokovic 1.0 that someone would have to be very naive to be blind to these incredible changes.

Well, without any evidence, we have to give him the benefit of doubt, but I do find this “upgrade" kind of fishy, a guy went through this kind of dramatic change in such short period of time, the reason is simply Gluten Intolerance? maybe it is, but I am having a hard time to believe it took them that many years to figure this out? it is not something that difficult to diagnose, is it?

I think I will stop watch tennis from now on..

It's no longer a sport of human, it becomes a sport of energized bunnies.. :)

calgarywolf
09-16-2011, 01:52 PM
While everybody is so excited about Djokovic and his run, I would like to remind people that injuries happen very often in tennis, and with the number of matches Djokovic is playing, with his baseline grinding style, they are more than likely to come.

I will not be surprised at all if Djokovic comes crashing down in 2012 with some injury, ends up having to have surgery and never gets back to top 10.

No, he is the king in the next 3 years at least.

He got the talent, he is a much better player than Nadal technically, now he got the endurance and stamina which even Nadal, the king of energized bunnies, cannot beat, there is nothing can stop him now but an injury.

But look at Nadal, how many "injury" he had? and see how many years he has been on the tour and still going strong?

Djoker will be the new Nadal, only better, stronger and will last same long.. if not longer..

Diagoras
09-17-2011, 08:45 AM
Well, without any evidence, we have to give him the benefit of doubt, but I do find this “upgrade" kind of fishy, a guy went through this kind of dramatic change in such short period of time, the reason is simply Gluten Intolerance? maybe it is, but I am having a hard time to believe it took them that many years to figure this out? it is not something that difficult to diagnose, is it?

I think I will stop watch tennis from now on..

It's no longer a sport of human, it becomes a sport of energized bunnies.. :)

If "enhanced" humans like Djokovic are just going to dominate from now on, then I don't really see the point in watching anymore. It is no longer exciting.

Clarky21
09-17-2011, 08:54 AM
If "enhanced" humans like Djokovic are just going to dominate from now on, then I don't really see the point in watching anymore. It is no longer exciting.


Tell me about it. This year been the worst year for tennis in a long time. Boring,monotonous,and predictable are words that come to mind when I think back on this season. Not to mention how I know that he hasn't done what he has done this year without a lot of help from some not so kosher methods. **** can try as he might but he will never be able to carry the ATP on his back the way Federer has all these years. He will speed up the death of the sport if he reigns for the next few years.

ALL IN
09-17-2011, 02:11 PM
Tell me about it. This year been the worst year for tennis in a long time. Boring,monotonous,and predictable are words that come to mind when I think back on this season. Not to mention how I know that he hasn't done what he has done this year without a lot of help from some not so kosher methods. **** can try as he might but he will never be able to carry the ATP on his back the way Federer has all these years. He will speed up the death of the sport if he reigns for the next few years.

Of your 1400+ posts I have yet to read something positive. Those around you must prefer fingernails across a chalkboard over your input.

TennisFan3
09-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Well, without any evidence, we have to give him the benefit of doubt, but I do find this “upgrade" kind of fishy, a guy went through this kind of dramatic change in such short period of time, the reason is simply Gluten Intolerance? maybe it is, but I am having a hard time to believe it took them that many years to figure this out? it is not something that difficult to diagnose, is it?

I think I will stop watch tennis from now on..

It's no longer a sport of human, it becomes a sport of energized bunnies.. :)

I agree. I think the game is going in a wrong direction. It's become more about physicality than about shotmaking and raw talent.

Everyone plays the same game. It's just that those who are fitter, faster and move better -- win. Which is true for the top guys, and for Djokovic especially.

Tennis needs different styles and different speed surfaces. I can see the viewership going down dramatically, especially if Nadal and/or Fed retire in 2012..

Talker
09-17-2011, 03:33 PM
Djokovic said he's looking into anything to help him get an 'edge' on the court.
Besides the egg, he's probably trying different nutrient combinations that have been proven to increase alertness (like galantamine), reaction time and physical endurance.
There's plenty of things legal out there that work but many people don't know about them or have even heard about them.
Using the right combinations can be a tremendous advantage.

If he's tried the pod I'd be surprised he didn't try other legal things too.

sundaypunch
09-17-2011, 06:46 PM
Qft. And as I have said before,I think this egg contraption is a red herring for what's really going on. Hopefully the truth will be brought to light one of these days.

The gluten-free diet is the real red herring. I doubt that there is a person on the men's tour that isn't suspicious.

Clarky21
09-17-2011, 07:13 PM
The gluten-free diet is the real red herring. I doubt that there is a person on the men's tour that isn't suspicious.

Yep,you have a point there. I just have never seen someone as blatant about it as ****. It's to the point of being totally absurd his turnaround this year. Not to mention practically impossible.

newton296
10-24-2011, 12:47 PM
IF (a big if) that article is accurate it would explain why he came back from that late 3 set match against Murray on clay and looked far fresher than Nadal less than 24 hours later. I thought that was unbelievable.

hold your horses big guy! your assuming alot here. djokivic is a great player who alrady had won a grand slam and beat federer before the whole pod fad. it doesn't help that much. just accept it like a man. he beat nadal because he played better.

Clarky21
10-24-2011, 12:56 PM
hold your horses big guy! your assuming alot here. djokivic is a great player who alrady had won a grand slam and beat federer before the whole pod fad. it doesn't help that much. just accept it like a man. he beat nadal because he played better.

He may have played better(due to the fact he does not tire anymore,imo),but his sudden increase on stamina and physical ability is highly suspicious. This is the same guy who once retired in a slam he was defending because he was too hot. Stamina problems have plagued him his entire career,and now I am to believe that in less than one months time he changed all that around to become the physical beast he is by eliminating gluten from his diet? Like I have said before,**** is selling but I ain't buying.

Evan77
10-24-2011, 01:20 PM
He may have played better(due to the fact he does not tire anymore,imo),but his sudden increase on stamina and physical ability is highly suspicious. This is the same guy who once retired in a slam he was defending because he was too hot. Stamina problems have plagued him his entire career,and now I am to believe that in less than one months time he changed all that around to become the physical beast he is by eliminating gluten from his diet? Like I have said before,**** is selling but I ain't buying.
OK, let's assume that the egg thingy (****) has helped Novak to improve his stamina etc. which I personally think is ridiculous. Why don't Rafa, Roger and Murray get the egg thingy for themselves too if it's that effective? I'm sure they can afford it. What's $75,000 for them?

dudeski
10-24-2011, 01:37 PM
OK, let's assume that the egg thingy (****) has helped Novak to improve his stamina etc. which I personally think is ridiculous. Why don't Rafa, Roger and Murray get the egg thingy for themselves too if it's that effective? I'm sure they can afford it. What's $75,000 for them?

Please stop using common sense and logic. This is purely a troll thread.

Clarky21
10-24-2011, 01:41 PM
OK, let's assume that the egg thingy (****) has helped Novak to improve his stamina etc. which I personally think is ridiculous. Why don't Rafa, Roger and Murray get the egg thingy for themselves too if it's that effective? I'm sure they can afford it. What's $75,000 for them?


As it has been talked about before on here,this **** pod is just a red herring for what's really going on with him. I will never in a million years believe that he has turned into the tireless beast he has become naturally. Nobody goes from being barely able to breathe in matches,especially ones in the heat,to never getting tired or slowing down one bit,even in back to back matches. You don't have to agree,but I simply do not buy it.

dudeski
10-24-2011, 01:49 PM
As it has been talked about before on here,this **** pod is just a red herring for what's really going on with him. I will never in a million years believe that he has turned into the tireless beast he has become naturally. Nobody goes from being barely able to breathe in matches,especially ones in the heat,to never getting tired or slowing down one bit,even in back to back matches. You don't have to agree,but I simply do not buy it.

Novak is slightly allergic to gluten and it was causing him to have all sorts of symptoms. With gluten free diet those problems go away. Simple.

Evan77
10-24-2011, 02:27 PM
As it has been talked about before on here,this **** pod is just a red herring for what's really going on with him. I will never in a million years believe that he has turned into the tireless beast he has become naturally. Nobody goes from being barely able to breathe in matches,especially ones in the heat,to never getting tired or slowing down one bit,even in back to back matches. You don't have to agree,but I simply do not buy it.
OK, fine. What is it? How did he improve his stamina? Is it his new diet? What is your theory? What is really going on with him?

Fredrik
10-24-2011, 02:29 PM
Novak is slightly allergic to gluten and it was causing him to have all sorts of symptoms. With gluten free diet those problems go away. Simple.

Sure... :-?

F.

Clarky21
10-24-2011, 02:41 PM
Novak is slightly allergic to gluten and it was causing him to have all sorts of symptoms. With gluten free diet those problems go away. Simple.


Simple my foot. That is such a bogus excuse,and it makes me laugh that people actually believe that story from him. That story,by the way,is one of many he has told to try and explain away his impossible boost in stamina this year. He has told so many different ones,I am not sure if he himself can even keep track of them all.

Fredrik
10-24-2011, 02:48 PM
In the eighties John McEnroe said something along these lines: ... everybody will tell you about their new diet and how hard they´re working. But nobody will tell you about the new drugs they are taking.

I find Novak´s improved fitness puzzling, to say the least. This is coming from a guy who was a big fan of his game back in 2006. Yes, he was pretty good then too:shock:

Evan77
10-24-2011, 02:52 PM
Simple my foot. That is such a bogus excuse,and it makes me laugh that people actually believe that story from him. That story,by the way,is one of many he has told to try and explain away his impossible boost in stamina this year. He has told so many different ones,I am not sure if he himself can even keep track of them all.

OK, you are not saying it but If I read between the lines you think that Novak is a doper, no? He was winning masters, WTF and AO long before 2011. I personally think it's a combination of different things but you are entitled to your opinion although I still do not understand what your opinion is :).

MaiDee
10-24-2011, 03:13 PM
Hmmm. Interesting. BTW there's a good article in this week's TIME magazine about Novak. It says he's against Kosovo's independence, among other things.

Wow, it's a big surprise for me. How is it possible that any Serb could be against Kosovo and Metohia independence?

RF20Lennon
10-24-2011, 03:34 PM
Read about this a long time ago and also read a paper about it which says that most scientists think it doesnt help because the time spent in the egg is too short for the body to react to it.

Tony48
10-24-2011, 04:12 PM
In the eighties John McEnroe said something along these lines: ... everybody will tell you about their new diet and how hard they´re working. But nobody will tell you about the new drugs they are taking.

I find Novak´s improved fitness puzzling, to say the least. This is coming from a guy who was a big fan of his game back in 2006. Yes, he was pretty good then too:shock:

But that's the thing: is he really THAT much better? He already proved he could beat Fed in a slam back in 2008, he could already beat Nadal (and pushed him to the limit on clay in previous meetings) and was never a slouch on grass, making 2 semis at Wimbledon last year and the year before (as well as making the finals at both Queens and Halle).

A slight, but solid improvement in fitness and uncontrolled confidence can go a long way.

Evan77
10-24-2011, 09:25 PM
But that's the thing: is he really THAT much better? He already proved he could beat Fed in a slam back in 2008, he could already beat Nadal (and pushed him to the limit on clay in previous meetings) and was never a slouch on grass, making 2 semis at Wimbledon last year and the year before (as well as making the finals at both Queens and Halle).

A slight, but solid improvement in fitness and uncontrolled confidence can go a long way.
this. that was exactly my point too. thank you.

rdis10093
10-24-2011, 09:28 PM
this is the best thread on the forum

Tennisguy3000
10-24-2011, 10:25 PM
I am going to buy a few of these & put them in a plane & travel to sporting events around the world. 20 Minutes for $4,000 ;-)