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McEnroeisanartist
09-01-2011, 09:10 AM
The other day I commented to someone that I don't trust Federer to just breeze through to the semifinals of a grand slam anymore.

However, I determined that on 7 occasions, Federer has reached the semifinals of a grand slam without losing a set.

Interestingly enough, he has achieved this in two of the last four grand slams - 2010 US Open and 2011 French Open.

Maybe old man Federer isn't as old as we think he is.

jackson vile
09-01-2011, 11:18 AM
No way, he is so old and his draw is the toughest ever! So, it is not possible.

zagor
09-01-2011, 11:28 AM
No way, he is so old and his draw is the toughest ever! So, it is not possible.

Yes stats show everything.

7 finals in a row, a personal record, no?

Rhino
09-01-2011, 11:30 AM
Well he might just breeze into the quarterfinals, as the only people left standing between him and a quarterfinal are Cilic/Tomic and Monaco/Haas/Falla.

DjokovicForTheWin
09-01-2011, 11:33 AM
Yes stats show everything.

7 finals in a row, a personal record, no?

LOL, vile two face pwned as usual.

jackson vile
09-01-2011, 11:35 AM
Yes stats show everything.

7 finals in a row, a personal record, no?

So you don't think he is too old, and you don't think his draw is "that toughest ever"?

zagor
09-01-2011, 11:39 AM
So you don't think he is too old, and you don't think his draw is "that toughest ever"?

Yes, he is old in tennis terms(especially considering his mileage), anyone who knows anything about the game whatsoever and isn't blinded by irrational hate is well aware of that fact.

Don't consider his draw particulary tough, 2005-2006 Fed would breeze through it easily.

rdis10093
09-01-2011, 11:39 AM
tsonga will be tough

jackson vile
09-01-2011, 11:50 AM
Yes, he is old in tennis terms(especially considering his mileage), anyone who knows anything about the game whatsoever and isn't blinded by irrational hate is well aware of that fact.

Don't consider his draw particulary tough, 2005-2006 Fed would breeze through it easily.

Strange that, there is a whole post claiming that this is the toughest draw ever and that Federer is such an old man and is focusing more on his family, not to mention his nagging injuries ie back or his body parts getting tired. Surely being so old and having such a tough draw and physical issues he could not play so well?

zagor
09-01-2011, 11:55 AM
Strange that, there is a whole post claiming that this is the toughest draw ever and that Federer is such an old man and is focusing more on his family, not to mention his nagging injuries ie back or his body parts getting tired. Surely being so old and having such a tough draw and physical issues he could not play so well?


His draw is considered tough by "some" people because of Tomic and Fish/Tsonga not Giraldo and Sela(he could probably cruise past them at the age of 35). Again I disagree with that, at his peak this draw would be no problem, it's not the draw it's him.

Every player on tour has his/her physical issues.

jackson vile
09-01-2011, 11:59 AM
His draw is considered tough by "some" people because of Tomic and Fish/Tsonga not Giraldo and Sela(he could probably cruise past them at the age of 35). Again I disagree with that, at his peak this draw would be no problem, it's not the draw it's him.

Every player on tour has his/her physical issues.

So you are saying he has a problem. How has he been playing? From this post sounds like he is doing extremely well. Roger is certainly not playing his best tennis ever, however he is far from an old washed up man.

So far this tournament is proving much like 2010 WTF that Roger can chose when to play "federer tennis".

If are actually old, and have a fused back, etc Then sure, that makes sense. However, when you can pick and choose when to when that is entirely different.

Nadal is suffering from much the same thing. They are not dedicating themselves to the game like they did when they were at their best, period.

zagor
09-01-2011, 12:12 PM
So you are saying he has a problem. How has he been playing? From this post sounds like he is doing extremely well. Roger is certainly not playing his best tennis ever, however he is far from an old washed up man.

So far this tournament is proving much like 2010 WTF that Roger can chose when to play "federer tennis".

If are actually old, and have a fused back, etc Then sure, that makes sense. However, when you can pick and choose when to when that is entirely different.

Nadal is suffering from much the same thing. They are not dedicating themselves to the game like they did when they were at their best, period.

Nadal is 25, Fed is 30, that's a huge difference which shows in their results this year. They are in completely different situations agewise and formwise.

As for Fed choosing when he plays his best tennis, that's a load of crap, he shows flashes of brilliance at times but his best tennis is long gone (as in his best tennis was 5 years ago), the guy is on the verge of retirement. It's only you and a couple of your fellow ***** who have this crazy idea that he's playing as good as ever whic shows your knowledge of the game(lack of it to be more precise).

zagor
09-01-2011, 12:20 PM
(Although in Nadal's case, he is playing well enough to win 3 slams per year if Djokovic slips up. Nadal is only one player away. Whereas Federer is 2 players away [plus his struggles at Wimbledon the last 2 years, losing in QFs])

I agree with you, it's what I implied. They (Fed and Nadal) are in completely different situations. Nadal is in the best years of his career while Fed is heading out. Take out Novak raising his level this year and Nadal would have a better 2011 than 2010, if Novak's level drops next year Nadal will win atleast 2 slams.

kishnabe
09-01-2011, 12:30 PM
(When was the last time Federer had a year as bad as 2011...?)

It isn't bad it is more like 2010 without the Aussie and way better than 2001-2! 2004-2009 were way better than his year.

Still considering any top ten player would love a year like his except Nadal and Djokovic!

jackson vile
09-01-2011, 01:23 PM
Nadal is 25, Fed is 30, that's a huge difference which shows in their results this year. They are in completely different situations agewise and formwise.

As for Fed choosing when he plays his best tennis, that's a load of crap, he shows flashes of brilliance at times but his best tennis is long gone (as in his best tennis was 5 years ago), the guy is on the verge of retirement. It's only you and a couple of your fellow ***** who have this crazy idea that he's playing as good as ever whic shows your knowledge of the game(lack of it to be more precise).

Relax crazy. The point that you can't get in your brain is that both of them are capable of playing at a higher level. However, they are not putting in the time. Both have admitted to this, and both have shown that they still have "the right stuff".

Roger would win AO if not for Novak, was the only player able to defeat Novak up to that point at the FO no less and played his best FO game ever. Only a crazy Tsonga could take Roger out at Wim and we still have yet to see what Roger does for USO and WTF.

Again, Roger is not playing a lesser level because of his age, rather it is by choice. His priorities are far different now, as a result any time he so chooses he can pick it right back up.

Only poeple beating Federer consistently in Majors are Nadal and Novak and they were doing that years back.

Reality check!

DjokovicForTheWin
09-01-2011, 01:32 PM
LOLLLLLLL, Roger is playing at a lower level by choice. Now I've heard it all. It's amazing how stupid people can be.

DjokovicForTheWin
09-01-2011, 01:32 PM
I agree with you, it's what I implied. They (Fed and Nadal) are in completely different situations. Nadal is in the best years of his career while Fed is heading out. Take out Novak raising his level this year and Nadal would have a better 2011 than 2010, if Novak's level drops next year Nadal will win atleast 2 slams.

Quoted for truth.

zagor
09-01-2011, 01:41 PM
Relax crazy. The point that you can't get in your brain is that both of them are capable of playing at a higher level. However, they are not putting in the time. Both have admitted to this, and both have shown that they still have "the right stuff".

Oh I'm relaxed. The point that you can't get in your brain doesn't get is that Fed and Nadal are in a different place in their career.

Fed is playing about as well as can be expected from a 30 year old in modern tennis. His last few years(and this one)are very remniscent of Pete's last years on tour. Again the fact that you think he's capable of playing now as good as he did when he was 24-25 is hilarious and again shows your basic lack of understanding for the game.

Roger would win AO if not for Novak


We don't know that, maybe Murray would have been less nervous in the final if he was facing Roger. Not to mention that Fed barely escaped the 2nd round this year while in his peak he cruised through the opening rounds with ease.

was the only player able to defeat Novak up to that point at the FO no less

So what? He played one great match, big deal, no one said he isn't capable of it once in a blue moon. It's the consistant level of play week in week out and the ability to recover from tough matches that is the problem when tennis players hit a certain point in their career.

and played his best FO game ever.

LOL, he played well but not as good as he did in 2005,2006 and 2007 FO. The field beside big 4 these days is lacking which enabled Fed to look better than he really is at the moment.

Only a crazy Tsonga could take Roger out at Wim

Right, this year it was crazy Tsonga while last year Fed was on the brink of losing to freakin Falla. Tsonga played good but was made to look better by Fed's passive play and mediocre ROS, there's a reason Fed never lost a 2-0 lead in slams up until now.


and we still have yet to see what Roger does for USO and WTF.

Yes, we'll see, he won't win either.


Again, Roger is not playing a lesser level because of his age

Oh yes, he really is, age and mileage.

rather it is by choice.

This is so stupid it almost doesn't warrant an answer. Yes he chooses to go go down 0-2 sets against grasscourt beast Falla in freakin Wimbledon.

Only poeple beating Federer consistently in Majors are Nadal and Novak and they were doing that years back.

Eh, right. Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga, Del Potro losses never happened.

Reality check!

Oh yes you desperately need one. Anyone claiming Fed can play as good as ever at the age of 30 and is in the same situation as 24-25 year old Nadal needs to get back to planet Earth.

Emet74
09-01-2011, 01:45 PM
Fed's first test will be Cilic; let's see what happens there.

zagor
09-01-2011, 01:47 PM
Fed's first test will be Cilic; let's see what happens there.

Considering how hopeless at times Fed looks against big bahers these days (especially compared to how he matched up to those guys at his peak) it's gonna be tricky, though Cilic doesn't have say Berdman's consistency off the ground so if Fed serves well he could pull through I guess.

tennis_pro
09-01-2011, 01:58 PM
Relax crazy. The point that you can't get in your brain is that both of them are capable of playing at a higher level. However, they are not putting in the time. Both have admitted to this, and both have shown that they still have "the right stuff".

Roger would win AO if not for Novak, was the only player able to defeat Novak up to that point at the FO no less and played his best FO game ever. Only a crazy Tsonga could take Roger out at Wim and we still have yet to see what Roger does for USO and WTF.

Again, Roger is not playing a lesser level because of his age, rather it is by choice. His priorities are far different now, as a result any time he so chooses he can pick it right back up.

Only poeple beating Federer consistently in Majors are Nadal and Novak and they were doing that years back.

Reality check!

1) lol

2) lolwut, Nadal couldnt even beat prime Federer on slow grass, didn't even get to play him in a slam hard court (and he should thank god that he didn't) and barely beat post-peak ******** in Wimbledon and AO (both could've gone either way). Djokovic (except the 2008 AO win over sick bucket sweating Federer) didn't beat Federer in a Slam until 2010 US when Federer was closing 30 and had to save match points

Tough Gut
09-01-2011, 03:28 PM
(When was the last time Federer had a year as bad as 2011...?)

2008??????

NadalAgassi
09-01-2011, 03:38 PM
1) lol

2) lolwut, Nadal couldnt even beat prime Federer on slow grass, didn't even get to play him in a slam hard court (and he should thank god that he didn't) and barely beat post-peak ******** in Wimbledon and AO (both could've gone either way). Djokovic (except the 2008 AO win over sick bucket sweating Federer) didn't beat Federer in a Slam until 2010 US when Federer was closing 30 and had to save match points

Federer has had a losing slam head to head with Nadal from day one. Nadal won their first slam match when he was only 18 and FAR from his peak, and Federer was at his absolute peak, and has continued to lead it ever since. Fact.

As for your grass reference peak Federer was one choke serve game from going down 2 sets to 1 down in the Wimbledon final to a green Nadal who still sort of sucked on grass at the time, who had lost to a no name German in his last completed grass event, and should have lost in straight sets to Robert Kendrick at that years Wimbledon if Kendrick hadnt choked serving for the match. The next year still peak Federer barely beat Nadal in the Wimbledon final, having to have a career serving day and overcome all kinds of break points, to overcome being raped and dominated form the baseline all match long.

As for hard courts it is probably Federer who is lucky that young Nadal wasnt able to make any of those major hard court finals. After all Federer trails Nadal 4-1 on outdoor hard courts (the only kind slams are played on) today, and even trailed 17-19 year old Nadal 2-1 on outdoor hard courts, overcoming a 2 sets to 0 and 5-3 deficit for his only win. Everytime Federer lost in a hard court slam or any slam before the final Federer probably did a happy dance in his hotel room. He knows, as does everyone except his delusional fans, that he is and always was Nadal's lapdog.

veroniquem
09-01-2011, 03:44 PM
2008??????



Are you crazy? In 2008 he won 4 titles. He also didn't lose in the quarter of a slam to a guy outside the top 5.
2011 is Fed's worst year since at least 2003 and if he doesn't win the USO, it will be his worst year since 2001.

Cup8489
09-01-2011, 05:35 PM
(Well, there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference between 2010 and 2011 for Federer. It's called winning a slam)

)Dude, are you serious? Federer hasn't won a slam this year??( :rolleyes:

flyinghippos101
09-01-2011, 05:43 PM
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Again, Roger is not playing a lesser level because of his age, rather it is by choice. His priorities are far different now, as a result any time he so chooses he can pick it right back up.

Reality check!

Are you for real? Yeah, Federer makes the conscious decision to lose matches.

The irony in your post is hilarious. Every single post you manage to reaffirm the common consensus that you're the most deluded poster on this board.

tennis_pro
09-01-2011, 05:50 PM
Federer has had a losing slam head to head with Nadal from day one. Nadal won their first slam match when he was only 18 and FAR from his peak, and Federer was at his absolute peak, and has continued to lead it ever since. Fact.

As for your grass reference peak Federer was one choke serve game from going down 2 sets to 1 down in the Wimbledon final to a green Nadal who still sort of sucked on grass at the time, who had lost to a no name German in his last completed grass event, and should have lost in straight sets to Robert Kendrick at that years Wimbledon if Kendrick hadnt choked serving for the match. The next year still peak Federer barely beat Nadal in the Wimbledon final, having to have a career serving day and overcome all kinds of break points, to overcome being raped and dominated form the baseline all match long.

As for hard courts it is probably Federer who is lucky that young Nadal wasnt able to make any of those major hard court finals. After all Federer trails Nadal 4-1 on outdoor hard courts (the only kind slams are played on) today, and even trailed 17-19 year old Nadal 2-1 on outdoor hard courts, overcoming a 2 sets to 0 and 5-3 deficit for his only win. Everytime Federer lost in a hard court slam or any slam before the final Federer probably did a happy dance in his hotel room. He knows, as does everyone except his delusional fans, that he is and always was Nadal's lapdog.

The problem with Federer is that he didn't treat Nadal too seriously at the beginning of the rivarly. In Miami 2004 he lost 6-3 6-3 and never looked like he cared. Look at the 2006 and 2007 Masters Cup matches between them. Nadal (especially in the first one) looked way better than he did in 2006 Dubai and still he lost in straight sets. Federer was way better prepared on this occasion, though.

IvanisevicServe
09-01-2011, 09:37 PM
Federer has had a losing slam head to head with Nadal from day one. Nadal won their first slam match when he was only 18 and FAR from his peak, and Federer was at his absolute peak, and has continued to lead it ever since. Fact.

As for your grass reference peak Federer was one choke serve game from going down 2 sets to 1 down in the Wimbledon final to a green Nadal who still sort of sucked on grass at the time, who had lost to a no name German in his last completed grass event, and should have lost in straight sets to Robert Kendrick at that years Wimbledon if Kendrick hadnt choked serving for the match. The next year still peak Federer barely beat Nadal in the Wimbledon final, having to have a career serving day and overcome all kinds of break points, to overcome being raped and dominated form the baseline all match long.

As for hard courts it is probably Federer who is lucky that young Nadal wasnt able to make any of those major hard court finals. After all Federer trails Nadal 4-1 on outdoor hard courts (the only kind slams are played on) today, and even trailed 17-19 year old Nadal 2-1 on outdoor hard courts, overcoming a 2 sets to 0 and 5-3 deficit for his only win. Everytime Federer lost in a hard court slam or any slam before the final Federer probably did a happy dance in his hotel room. He knows, as does everyone except his delusional fans, that he is and always was Nadal's lapdog.

Nadal never had a chance to go up 2 sets to 1 on Federer in 06 Wimbledon because he never evened it at 1. You can't just assume Nadal would have gone on to win the 3rd set had he taken the 2nd. Maybe Federer would have raised his level in the 3rd if Nadal had evened it...he certainly did in the 4th, when he stormed out to a 5-1 lead and blew a couple of easy volleys that would have finished off the set with a bread stick.

Nadal certainly made a good showing in that final considering nobody really gave him much of a chance in that one given Federer's form and Nadal's inexperience on grass, but Federer was never seriously sweating bullets.

Federer's serve did bail him out in Wimbledon 2007, but Federer's level had also slipped a bit from 04-06 level.

And we all know Federer had slipped significantly in 08, despite the misleading no-sets-lost streak he had during the grass season (his serve carried him throughout that month)...yet that match turned out to be a nail biter. Granted, Nadal choked in the 4th when up 5-2 in the tie break. But bot that match and AO 09 demonstrated how close their GS matches are outside RG.

Federer may be lucky regarding Nadal's inability to reach other slam finals, but that doesn't really say much for Nadal that he was vulnerable enough to lose to several others at the AO and USO all those years. Federer hates the matchup, but tennis isn't determined just by two guys playing each other over and over again.

cc0509
09-01-2011, 10:07 PM
Nadal never had a chance to go up 2 sets to 1 on Federer in 06 Wimbledon because he never evened it at 1. You can't just assume Nadal would have gone on to win the 3rd set had he taken the 2nd. Maybe Federer would have raised his level in the 3rd if Nadal had evened it...he certainly did in the 4th, when he stormed out to a 5-1 lead and blew a couple of easy volleys that would have finished off the set with a bread stick.

Nadal certainly made a good showing in that final considering nobody really gave him much of a chance in that one given Federer's form and Nadal's inexperience on grass, but Federer was never seriously sweating bullets.

Federer's serve did bail him out in Wimbledon 2007, but Federer's level had also slipped a bit from 04-06 level.

And we all know Federer had slipped significantly in 08, despite the misleading no-sets-lost streak he had during the grass season (his serve carried him throughout that month)...yet that match turned out to be a nail biter. Granted, Nadal choked in the 4th when up 5-2 in the tie break. But bot that match and AO 09 demonstrated how close their GS matches are outside RG.

Federer may be lucky regarding Nadal's inability to reach other slam finals, but that doesn't really say much for Nadal that he was vulnerable enough to lose to several others at the AO and USO all those years. Federer hates the matchup, but tennis isn't determined just by two guys playing each other over and over again.



Yes, as Nadal fans are now finding out, tennis is all about match-ups but it is only one tiny blip in the whole story of a player's success. The key is to dominate the field and be a player who can win on multiple surfaces many times over--Federer has clearly been superior to Nadal where it matters most regardless of the h2h between them.

jokinla
09-01-2011, 11:12 PM
I don't see him stumbling before the semis, I think Fish will take out Tsonga unless Verdasco does first, and even if Tsonga gets through, no way he beats Fed for a third straight time.

Hitman
09-02-2011, 01:21 AM
I don't know. Federer has been vulnerable against the big hitters recently. I still don't see him getting past Novak though.

Sentinel
09-02-2011, 03:06 AM
I thought this thread had to do with Irene. Anyway, he breezed and coasted his way to the WTF final, too. The other chap in that final could not.

15_ounce
09-02-2011, 03:15 AM
He's gonna lose to Cilic, he played really well...

Too bad you lost to Cilic... you should've drank plenty of xia sang ju before your matches...

cc0509
09-02-2011, 04:04 AM
(By 'field' are you referring to Djokovic? Since that is the only obstacle for Nadal this year. Nadal has a 'match-up problem with Djokovic, despite Nadal leading 16-12 head2head?

If Nadal wins 16 slams, he will be considered better than Federer. The head2head for the first time will come into play, make no mistake about that. Whether you like it or not, if Nadal continues to rack up the RGs and takes a couple more non-clay slams [and he could easily do that next year if Djokovic slips-up at all], Federer's reputation of "GOAT".....is gone)

Djokovic is the only obstacle for Nadal this year? Yeah, right, that is why Nadal just lost to Fish and Dodig, two players Nadal could have defeated on crutches a year ago.

As for the h2h which Nadal still leads over Djokovic if Nadal continues with his bad form and Djokovic continues with his incredible form, that h2h will turn around faster than you can say the word GO. Have you not noticed that Djokovic has defeated Nadal 5 straight times on every surface? Or do you have a case of amnesia? ;)

Re Nadal winning 16 slams it is possible, but 6 slams are not easy to win. If he does manage to tie or surpass Federer, good for him, but I won't hold my breath right now.

Rhino
09-02-2011, 11:45 AM
As Nadal says, form is not permanent

He should know.

celoft
09-02-2011, 11:48 AM
(By 'field' are you referring to Djokovic? Since that is the only obstacle for Nadal this year. Nadal has a 'match-up problem with Djokovic, despite Nadal leading 16-12 head2head?

If Nadal wins 16 slams, he will be considered better than Federer. The head2head for the first time will come into play, make no mistake about that. Whether you like it or not, if Nadal continues to rack up the RGs and takes a couple more non-clay slams [and he could easily do that next year if Djokovic slips-up at all], Federer's reputation of "GOAT".....is gone)

Nadal will win 11 slams. That's it.

Roger is and will continue to be the GOAT with his 16 slams.8-)

West Coast Ace
09-02-2011, 01:19 PM
It's only you and a couple of your fellow ***** who have this crazy idea that he's playing as good as ever whic shows your knowledge of the game(lack of it to be more precise).Very true. They want to maximize the credit Rafa gets for his wins. And I agree - I doubt many of the fierce Nadfans play the game at more than a hit/giggle level.

LOLLLLLLL, Roger is playing at a lower level by choice. Now I've heard it all. It's amazing how stupid people can be.He is a troll.

tsonga will be toughOr even Fish if he's the QF opponent. Both will be swinging freely and if Fed isn't sharp he won't get another shot at Djokovic.

rommil
09-02-2011, 02:12 PM
Watching him practicing right now

rommil
09-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Both Annacone and Luthi watching on. And Robert.

Outbeyond
09-02-2011, 04:25 PM
I'm convinced Fed will make it to the semis and put Djoker to the test. He's not going to let this chance pass.

rommil
09-02-2011, 05:17 PM
Roger kept rubbing the outside of his right knee at practice. Hope its not an issue.

gregor.b
09-02-2011, 05:28 PM
(When was the last time Federer had a year as bad as 2011...?)

I think he was about 20 or 21 maybe.Is that close.Not checking stats,just got a funny feeling that's all.