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The Bawss
09-27-2011, 05:26 AM
Recently, I noticed that about 60-70% of rec players play with a 1hbh. Considering that on the pro tour maybe 20% at best use a 1hbh and that it's a harder shot (in my opinion) to master, why would rec players be so inclined to use a 1hbh? Because of Sampras, Federer?

Enlighten me.

mikeler
09-27-2011, 05:33 AM
Most are older players that grew up watching Sampras, Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Stich, McEnroe etc.

danno123
09-27-2011, 06:07 AM
Most are older players that grew up watching Sampras, Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Stich, McEnroe etc.

People who grew up watching them aren't old. I know because I grew up watching Rod Laver, John Newcombe and Stan Smith. When I grew up, if you were a boy and played with a two-handed backhand, all the other kids would laugh at you and say "look at the little girl" because only little girls hit a backhand with two hands. And if you said "maybe this 15 ounce chunk of wood is too heavy" or "maybe the 4 5/8 grip is a little big," you'd have gotten the same reaction. Something like "son, Pancho Gonzales wouldn't have let his face be put on the racket unless it was a good one, so stop whining, grab that chunk of wood with a continental grip and start hitting the ball hard and flat." Then Jimmy Connnors came along with his two-handed backhand. I'm sure that one of the kids around Belleville said "Jimmy is a little girl" but, after that kid was found unconscious in an alley somewhere with fragments of racket imbedded in his skull, no one ever said it again.

I still hit with a one-handed backhand. I realize that there's absolutely no advantage to using one, but it's what I grew up using and none of you modern sissy kids are ever gonna convince me to change. :)

Lefty5
09-27-2011, 06:12 AM
Recently, I noticed that about 60-70% of rec players play with a 1hbh. Considering that on the pro tour maybe 20% at best use a 1hbh and that it's a harder shot (in my opinion) to master, why would rec players be so inclined to use a 1hbh? Because of Sampras, Federer?

Enlighten me.

How about this theory....Maybe 60-70% of people have one very dominant side, left or right hand. Its easier for a person with a very dominant hand to hit with a 1BH. On the other hand, a GOOD 2BH, requires some bit of skill on your non-dominanant side. Almost, but not quite, like a bit of ambidexterous-ness. That skill is by far in the minority, but when found, makes for a great 2BH.

origmarm
09-27-2011, 06:21 AM
A lot of people over 30 learnt with a one handed backhand. Simple as that as far as I'm concerned.

samarai
09-27-2011, 06:28 AM
There is a certain mystique associated with the 1hbh. Around my courts. The stroke is given terms like graceful and fluid. Even some of the good two handers will play around with shot while rallying. Personally, I like the two handed backhanded and have no illusions about trying to switch.

mikeler
09-27-2011, 06:45 AM
How about this theory....Maybe 60-70% of people have one very dominant side, left or right hand. Its easier for a person with a very dominant hand to hit with a 1BH. On the other hand, a GOOD 2BH, requires some bit of skill on your non-dominanant side. Almost, but not quite, like a bit of ambidexterous-ness. That skill is by far in the minority, but when found, makes for a great 2BH.


Hmm, I'm almost ambidextrous and started with a 2 handed backhand. I eventually switched to a 1 hander.

limitup
09-27-2011, 06:47 AM
1HBH just seemed more natural to me, so I started out with it. Now after playing for 4 years and giving the 2HBH several tries, I feel even more inclined to stick with the 1HBH. For me a 2HBH just doesn't feel right. Simple as that.

A 1HBH is actually a much easier shot to hit, until you get to 5.0+ levels and start facing REAL pace. 1HBH is pretty much the easiest most basic shot in tennis because there is so little going on, so few "moving parts", etc. Technically it's a MUCH simpler stroke than a forehand.

goober
09-27-2011, 06:58 AM
A lot of rec players started as adults. They have the strength to hit with a 1HBH unlike say young juniors. 1 HBH seems easier to hit with initially for male adults. Unless they played hockey or something similar where they are hitting with 2 hands, most adults find it more natural to hit with one hand when first starting.

The majority of female adults I see hit with 2 HBH whether they started as juniors or adults.

olliess
09-27-2011, 07:08 AM
A few reasons off the top of my head:

1) Rec players' ages span a pretty wide range. 1hbh was pretty ubiquitous until relatively recently.
2) Players who have played other racquet sports may have a bit of a feel for hitting 1h on the bh side and try to translate some of their technique to tennis
3) The 2hbh seems to require a lot of flexibility, which isn't as good for a lot of rec adult players
4) Rec players have noticed that slice really works against a lot of other rec players (especially considering the amount of effort expended), so they may not bother to learn anything else
5) The MAN thing (Bah! Two handers are for girls!)

The Bawss
09-27-2011, 07:19 AM
A lot of rec players started as adults. They have the strength to hit with a 1HBH unlike say young juniors. 1 HBH seems easier to hit with initially for male adults. Unless they played hockey or something similar where they are hitting with 2 hands, most adults find it more natural to hit with one hand when first starting.

The majority of female adults I see hit with 2 HBH whether they started as juniors or adults.

This is a good point.

thug the bunny
09-27-2011, 07:36 AM
People who grew up watching them aren't old. I know because I grew up watching Rod Laver, John Newcombe and Stan Smith. When I grew up, if you were a boy and played with a two-handed backhand, all the other kids would laugh at you and say "look at the little girl" because only little girls hit a backhand with two hands. And if you said "maybe this 15 ounce chunk of wood is too heavy" or "maybe the 4 5/8 grip is a little big," you'd have gotten the same reaction. Something like "son, Pancho Gonzales wouldn't have let his face be put on the racket unless it was a good one, so stop whining, grab that chunk of wood with a continental grip and start hitting the ball hard and flat." Then Jimmy Connnors came along with his two-handed backhand. I'm sure that one of the kids around Belleville said "Jimmy is a little girl" but, after that kid was found unconscious in an alley somewhere with fragments of racket imbedded in his skull, no one ever said it again.

I still hit with a one-handed backhand. I realize that there's absolutely no advantage to using one, but it's what I grew up using and none of you modern sissy kids are ever gonna convince me to change. :)

Awesome. I do remember that the 2HBH was associated with women until Connors.

user92626
09-27-2011, 01:10 PM
Hey the point about women, adult or not, using 2hbh is particularly true in my circles. I can't remember one who hits with 1 hand.

I'm not sure the real reason for men but I suspect most do not switch when their 1hander suck is because they think the 1 hander looks cooler. I have several told me that the 2hbh looks stupid on them. Basically likely they value look over practicality.

Kinda makes sense since women don't have this ego problem and they are fully committed to 2handers in the beginning as recreational people likely must due to the challenge of hitting a bh.

Fuji
09-27-2011, 03:18 PM
If I played lefty, I would for sure play a 2HBH from hockey, but since I play righty 1HBH is just more comfortable. Plus spin is easier to come by for me at least!

-Fuji

Xizel
09-27-2011, 05:13 PM
I started at 14 (now 15) and the feeling of constriction from the 2H proved too much. The 2H can become pretty smooth, but it'll never compare to the HUGE radius of swing you can use with the 1H.

papa
09-27-2011, 05:24 PM
Its been my observation that as players age, they have a tendency to put on weight and most that have a significant gut find it hard/difficult to use two hands. Although some can manage it more cannot.

Xizel
09-27-2011, 05:27 PM
1H transition from and to slice pretty well as well, and that's also related to the BH volley.

halalula1234
09-27-2011, 06:33 PM
because it looks pretty!

TimothyO
09-27-2011, 08:07 PM
I've been playing for one year. I tried a two-handed backhand repeatedly. I just can't do it. I heard it's better for arm health which drove me to try again and again to no avail.

So for my 1HBH I focus on staying loose and letting the racquet do the work. Oddly enough I find a "heavier" rkt makes the 1HBH easier. It sort of just smashes the ball and at my low level 12oz+ is just fine.

My boys, 9 and 11, have also tried two-handed without success. Both use 1HBH. Genetic??? :) Probably not as my wise is strictly 2HBH.

aimr75
09-27-2011, 09:30 PM
because it looks pretty!

problem is most rec players look pretty bad hitting a 1hbh

Netspirit
09-27-2011, 10:45 PM
It feels great when you hit a good one. You open your arms wide like a bird, and your weight is on your front toe for a split second, like a balet dancer.

Or like this guy:

http://media.nowpublic.net/images//8a/2/8a2d45977b1d53b7909e79d49a729da4.jpg

It is also considered a tough shot, so it feels rewarding to pull it off. For the same reason people love hitting backhand overhead smashes and tweeners (if they can).

Bacterio
09-27-2011, 11:03 PM
I'm going to say the versatility of the 1hbh is the reason you see it so much amongst rec players. I bet if you took some serious stats on the 1HBH you'd notice that it's probably 20% topspin 1hbh and 80% everything else.

Rec players usually don't have the patience or courage to play outside their comfort zone since the majority started playing as adults and like to stick with what works. It's the same reason that most won't make it past 3.5.

I play with a topspin 1hbh and although I do see a lot of other 1handers, they're mostly all slice or just a flat almost push on the ball. It's consistent, doesn't take much effort and it works. You won't ever see them come over on the ball.

FedExpress 333
09-27-2011, 11:20 PM
I did because of Fed.

rjw
09-27-2011, 11:52 PM
I'm an older rec player and hit a pretty hard topspin 1 hander, along with a better than decent slice. I just can't see why I would need to use 2 hands, unless I was planning on converting to leftie...hmmm maybe?

When I watch Serena, for example...it just looks so mechanical

BreakPoint
09-27-2011, 11:56 PM
Recently, I noticed that about 60-70% of rec players play with a 1hbh. Considering that on the pro tour maybe 20% at best use a 1hbh and that it's a harder shot (in my opinion) to master, why would rec players be so inclined to use a 1hbh? Because of Sampras, Federer?

Enlighten me.
In my area, it's more like 90% who use 1HBH. It's because the 1HBH is more versatile and has more reach. Older players can't get to the ball as fast so it's easier to get the ball back with a 1HBH than with a 2HBH. Also, most leagues are doubles only and more recreational players play doubles than singles and it's more natural to play doubles with a 1HBH than a 2HBH because of one-handed backhand volleys and serving and volleying.

No, it has nothing at all to do with Sampras nor Federer nor any other pro player. Most recreational players couldn't care less how some pro hits the ball.

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 12:03 AM
Hey the point about women, adult or not, using 2hbh is particularly true in my circles. I can't remember one who hits with 1 hand.

I'm not sure the real reason for men but I suspect most do not switch when their 1hander suck is because they think the 1 hander looks cooler. I have several told me that the 2hbh looks stupid on them. Basically likely they value look over practicality.

Kinda makes sense since women don't have this ego problem and they are fully committed to 2handers in the beginning as recreational people likely must due to the challenge of hitting a bh.
I also think it may be because the 1HBH requires more shoulder strength, which more men have than women do.

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 12:07 AM
A 1HBH is actually a much easier shot to hit, until you get to 5.0+ levels and start facing REAL pace. 1HBH is pretty much the easiest most basic shot in tennis because there is so little going on, so few "moving parts", etc. Technically it's a MUCH simpler stroke than a forehand.
I agree. I find it easier to crank a 1HBH and hit the ball cleanly in the middle of the sweetspot with pace than to do the same with a forehand. I think it has to do with hitting the ball much further out front on a 1HBH where you can see the ball better than on a forehand where the contact point is more to the side of your body than way out in front.

rjw
09-28-2011, 12:10 AM
I agree. I find it easier to crank a 1HBH and hit the ball cleanly in the middle of the sweetspot with pace than to do the same with a forehand. I think it has to do with hitting the ball much further out front on a 1HBH where you can see the ball better than on a forehand where the contact point is more to the side of your body than way out in front.

I think that you just diagnosed the problem with your forehand...lol

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 12:12 AM
I started at 14 (now 15) and the feeling of constriction from the 2H proved too much. The 2H can become pretty smooth, but it'll never compare to the HUGE radius of swing you can use with the 1H.
So true.

You can unleash a huge 1HBH swing and just let it rip and crush the ball, whereas, with a 2HBH, it's more like the feeling of pushing and pulling at the same time off-setting each other.

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 12:18 AM
I think that you just diagnosed the problem with your forehand...lol
It's physically impossible to hit a forehand way out in front of your body like on a 1HBH because on a 1HBH, my right shoulder and arm are facing the net, whereas on a forehand my left shoulder and arm are facing the net (I'm right-handed). On a 1HBH, you swing away from your body with the contact point way out in front of your out-stretched hitting arm. On a forehand, you have to swing across you body and your hitting arm isn't long enough for you to hit the ball as far out in front as on a 1HBH.

rjw
09-28-2011, 12:24 AM
It's physically impossible to hit a forehand way out in front of your body like on a 1HBH because on a 1HBH, my right shoulder and arm are facing the net, whereas on a forehand my left shoulder and arm are facing the net (I'm right-handed). On a 1HBH, you swing away from your body with the contact point way out in front of your out-stretched hitting arm. On a forehand, you have to swing across you body and your hitting arm isn't long enough for you to hit the ball as far out in front as on a 1HBH.

I just don't like hearing forehand and beside your body in the same sentence.

Too many people DON'T hit their forehand out front enough.....

Also, with an open stance forehand, you aren't really hitting across your body like in the old style closed stance

purge
09-28-2011, 12:36 AM
id say it depends mostly on when you started to play. as in how old you were when you picked up a racquet the first time.

obviously most people on the pro field started at a very very yound age (3-6 maybe), if they hadnt they wouldnt be pros now.
at that age they almost naturally start playing with both hands since they are obviously not strong enough to do it any other way.

alot of rec players have started much later i believe. if one is already strong enough to sustain one handed shots i guess the 1h bh feels like the more natural stroke to most. in any case thats how it was for me

Fed Kennedy
09-28-2011, 12:40 AM
In a word: Federer

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 12:51 AM
I just don't like hearing forehand and beside your body in the same sentence.

Too many people DON'T hit their forehand out front enough.....

Also, with an open stance forehand, you aren't really hitting across your body like in the old style closed stance
Doesn't your racquet arm still swing across your body even with an open stance forehand (assuming you don't hit reverse forehands like Nadal)?

You can't hit the ball way out in front on a forehand because your arm isn't long enough regardless if it's open stance or not. The contact point on my 1HBH is directly in front of my body where I can actually see the ball hit my stringbed through my stringbed. The contact point on a forehand is not going to be directly in front of your body, whether open stance or closed stance, it's going to be more towards the side of your body. If you try to make your contact directly in front of your body on a forehand, like on a 1HBH, the ball won't cross the net because it'll hit the side fence to the left side of you. :) LOL

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 12:56 AM
In a word: Federer
I don't think so.

More recreational players were using 1HBH than 2HBH even when Borg, Connors, Agassi, Courier, Roddick, Hewitt, Nadal, Djokovic, etc. were at the top of the game.

rjw
09-28-2011, 02:23 AM
Doesn't your racquet arm still swing across your body even with an open stance forehand (assuming you don't hit reverse forehands like Nadal)?

You can't hit the ball way out in front on a forehand because your arm isn't long enough regardless if it's open stance or not. The contact point on my 1HBH is directly in front of my body where I can actually see the ball hit my stringbed through my stringbed. The contact point on a forehand is not going to be directly in front of your body, whether open stance or closed stance, it's going to be more towards the side of your body. If you try to make your contact directly in front of your body on a forehand, like on a 1HBH, the ball won't cross the net because it'll hit the side fence to the left side of you. :) LOL

I never said that it was exactly like the backhand, but I hit my forehand with wrist back and arm out in front of my body as opposed to beside my body, if that makes sense to you....obviously it doesn't.

I could see the ball hit the face of the racquet, thru the strings, whether it is a forehand or backhand, so what are you talking about????

Maybe I just don't hit my backhand out in front of my body like you do....to put it in your words....the opposite would happen..the ball would never make it over the net, it would hit the RIGHT side fence....lol

Are we having fun yet?

Seriously tho.....I do hit my forehand out front, call it early if you want, maybe 45 degree angle or whatever, but not beside me.

thug the bunny
09-28-2011, 10:12 AM
BP and a few others mention the wide arc and more freedom of movement to crush TS 1HBHs, but you guys are in the vast minority. I only see one guy (a coach) at our courts who hits a hard agressive 1HBH. The rest, including the guys I play, hit slices or poufy flat 1HBHs. Why have a liability like that? That was the exact reason I switched to the 2HBH. I can still hit a slice 1HBH if I want. Anyone can do that.

rjw
09-28-2011, 10:41 AM
BP and a few others mention the wide arc and more freedom of movement to crush TS 1HBHs, but you guys are in the vast minority. I only see one guy (a coach) at our courts who hits a hard agressive 1HBH. The rest, including the guys I play, hit slices or poufy flat 1HBHs. Why have a liability like that? That was the exact reason I switched to the 2HBH. I can still hit a slice 1HBH if I want. Anyone can do that.

Maybe that is the potential beauty of a good 1 hbh.

When playing against 2 handers, you expect to see topspin, but against 1 handers, it is significantly more rare.

It probably is a liability, in that I agree with you, that the 2 hbh is hit much harder and with more topspin by more players, but I find that just like hard flat serves, after a while you get used to it and adjust accordingly. What you initially might have had trouble with, you now punish, unless your opponent can provide enough variety to keep you from zoning in.

I find that most 2 hbh players that I've played lack some of that variety, I get into a zone and try to make them pay.

On the other hand, they see my 1hbh and don't expect heavy topspin.

Admittedly, I don't play at a high level (3.5-4), and until warmed up, I hit a fair bit of low back/side slice to their backhand, in an effort to get them to have to dig down low, which most of them don't lke to do. In many cases, they have to go to a 1 hander.

Once I'm warmed up and hopefuly have them kind of out of their zone, then I start to mix in some heavy topspin and if successful, then the fun begins.

Bottom line, I guess, is that if you can hit better than decent top spin with your 1hbh, along with a variety of back/side spin slices, then stick with it. Otherwise develop a 2 hander.

hope this makes some sense?

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 01:15 PM
I never said that it was exactly like the backhand, but I hit my forehand with wrist back and arm out in front of my body as opposed to beside my body, if that makes sense to you....obviously it doesn't.

I could see the ball hit the face of the racquet, thru the strings, whether it is a forehand or backhand, so what are you talking about????

Maybe I just don't hit my backhand out in front of my body like you do....to put it in your words....the opposite would happen..the ball would never make it over the net, it would hit the RIGHT side fence....lol

Are we having fun yet?

Seriously tho.....I do hit my forehand out front, call it early if you want, maybe 45 degree angle or whatever, but not beside me.
Here's the greatest forehand of all time. Hmmm...looks like he's hitting the ball more to the side of him than directly out in front of his chest:

http://www.whitegadget.com/attachments/pc-wallpapers/73950d1315024307-federer-federer-picture.jpg

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content/roger-federer_wimbledon_finals.jpg

http://www.smashsportsbetting.com/player/federer/images/roger_federer5.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-KrLhZKhQycE/SHGvxKCdRII/AAAAAAAAAZc/GztH-jHmfC0/b_06_federer_104_prosport_t_hindley.jpg


Let me ask you this: When the ball is coming directly at you and you want to hit a forehand, don't you have to take a step or two to your left (assuming you play right-handed) to get out of the way of the ball's path so that you can hit your forehand on the right side of your body where your racquet hand is? Of course you do! If you could hit the ball directly out in front of you, you wouldn't have to move at all to get out of the way of the ball's path. That's what I can do on a 1HBH. I can hit my 1HBH directly out in front of me by just turning my right shoulder towards the ball and taking a step forward with my right foot. That's why if the ball is coming really fast directly at me and if I don't have the time to get out of the way, I will usually choose to hit a backhand rather than a forehand.

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 01:18 PM
BP and a few others mention the wide arc and more freedom of movement to crush TS 1HBHs, but you guys are in the vast minority. I only see one guy (a coach) at our courts who hits a hard agressive 1HBH. The rest, including the guys I play, hit slices or poufy flat 1HBHs. Why have a liability like that? That was the exact reason I switched to the 2HBH. I can still hit a slice 1HBH if I want. Anyone can do that.
Sounds like you need to find better players to play with then. ;-)

rjw
09-28-2011, 01:25 PM
Here's the greatest forehand of all time. Hmmm...looks like he's hitting the ball more to the side of him than directly out in front of his chest:



Ok, now show someone of note, hitting a backhand DIRECTLY out in front of them???

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 02:33 PM
Ok, now show someone of note, hitting a backhand DIRECTLY out in front of them???
The thing is, most pros prefer to hit forehands over one-handed backhands so if the ball was coming directly at them, they have such good footwork that they can get around the ball and hit the forehand to the side of their bodies. But they CAN hit their 1HBH's directly in front of their bodies if they wanted to. It's just simple bio-mechanics of the stroke.

With that said, here are some pics of Almagro and Federer hitting their 1HBH's out in front of their bodies:

http://www.livetennisguide.com/wp-content/uploads/Stanislas-Wawrinka-vs-Nicolas-Almagro.jpg

http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/original700/nicolas-almagro-2010-6-2-13-18-39.jpg

http://cdn4.wn.com/ph/img/8a/51/dde8cd79b9abd8c5564293db9429-grande.jpg

http://cdn4.wn.com/ph/img/ba/57/41f845daa5ec79620bdf3467ef38-grande.jpg


Here are some videos of Federer hitting his 1HBH out in front:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9az5qWcLOTk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQpBaCnVYbE&feature=fvwp&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX7CcDIkMhE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZncVNX4vIOM&feature=related

rjw
09-28-2011, 02:58 PM
In the case of forehands and backhands, those players are said to be hitting out in front.

not hitting out in front, implies hitting late, where the racquet has NOT travelled out in front of the player and is towards the player's side.

so....is your point that forehands and backhands look different when the stick is held in the same hand? well duh...thanks for the insight

InspectorRacquet
09-28-2011, 03:11 PM
When I first picked up tennis, the one handed backhand was the easiest to use straight out of the box, while the two handed backhand seemed to take longer to use it perfectly.

Also, I think the one handed backhand feels more natural, so I feel that most rec players play by what feels right, and not what is technically sound. Just my two cents.

LeeD
09-28-2011, 03:14 PM
A sliced 1hbh is an effortless shot.
Any 2hbh needs more body involvement, energy, and effort.
KenRosewall and SteffiGraf proved sliced 1hbh is only a detriment in your own mind. For our target levels, a sliced 1hbh backhand does the job just fine.
Now if YOU intend to level out amongst the top 500 in the world, you may use whatever backhand you please.

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 04:08 PM
In the case of forehands and backhands, those players are said to be hitting out in front.

not hitting out in front, implies hitting late, where the racquet has NOT travelled out in front of the player and is towards the player's side.

so....is your point that forehands and backhands look different when the stick is held in the same hand? well duh...thanks for the insight
No, my point is that a one-handed backhand's contact point is way out in the front of the body where if you take your racquet hand and stick it straight out towards the net, the contact point is right before then. Contrast that with a forehand where you have to wait for the ball to get closer to the back of the court so that it's closer to the side of you than directly in front of you before you make contact. Watch pros like Federer. Their contact points for their forehands and 1HBH's are completely different.

Federer seems to hit a pretty decent forehand making contact more toward to his side than directly out in front:

http://www.morethanthegames.co.uk/files/morethanthegames/federerfrenchopen20102.jpg

http://www.behindthehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/federer.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/08/sports/09tennis.533.jpg

papa
09-28-2011, 06:19 PM
A sliced 1hbh is an effortless shot.
Any 2hbh needs more body involvement, energy, and effort.
KenRosewall and SteffiGraf proved sliced 1hbh is only a detriment in your own mind. For our target levels, a sliced 1hbh backhand does the job just fine.
Now if YOU intend to level out amongst the top 500 in the world, you may use whatever backhand you please.

Lee, I hear what your saying but if sliced backhands are used too frequently now days, they get punished quickly at the upper levels. Great if used every once in a while but IMO, not effective if used all the time.

BreakPoint
09-28-2011, 06:44 PM
Lee, I hear what your saying but if sliced backhands are used too frequently now days, they get punished quickly at the upper levels. Great if used every once in a while but IMO, not effective if used all the time.
It depends on how good your slice is. Some people can hit such great slices that the ball barely bounces up from the ground at all. Those are very hard to deal with and very hard to get under and back up over the net aggressively. I have trouble with them even with my eastern grips and 1HBH, I can't imagine how much more difficult it would be for players with western grips and 2HBH's.

Fuji
09-28-2011, 06:45 PM
Lee, I hear what your saying but if sliced backhands are used too frequently now days, they get punished quickly at the upper levels. Great if used every once in a while but IMO, not effective if used all the time.

I love my slice backhand! It's the one shot that stays always ultra consistent, and it neutralizes the pace in a rally!

It is easy to pick up on if you see it too often though!

-Fuji

Roy125
09-28-2011, 07:32 PM
Well I notice that many of the older player have ohbh's too. However, the younger generation mostly uses two-handers (I'm the only one with a one-handed backhand in my tennis team).

Fuji
09-28-2011, 07:34 PM
Well I notice that many of the older player have ohbh's too. However, the younger generation mostly uses two-handers (I'm the only one with a one-handed backhand in my tennis team).

Out of my tennis friends, I'm one of the only ones who hit consistent 1HBH's. A few other guys toy with it, but nothing serious. Only one other fellow and myself use it as our only backhand! :)

-Fuji

rofl_copter3
09-28-2011, 08:27 PM
Truthfully I am one of those rec players who plays a 1hbh, and honestly I do it because of the feeling of a topspin backhand that just can't be mustered the same way with two hands. I realize I give up points because of My backhand but I am very fast so I run around a lot of backhands anyways. Sometimes things should be about form over function and a 1hbh is a beautiful thing to see hit well

enishi1357
09-28-2011, 08:47 PM
started out with 2hbh and switch to 1hbh.
2hbh requires more effort but it gets in more.
anyways i rather put that extra effort on a fh close stance winner which is my forte

willshot
09-28-2011, 08:58 PM
most rec players hit 1 bh is because its easier to hack a bh slice than using 2 hands.

hescobal
09-28-2011, 09:23 PM
I use a 1hbh because i learned the slice first. I then had to teach myself how to hit a topspin drive

rofl_copter3
09-28-2011, 09:30 PM
most rec players hit 1 bh is because its easier to hack a bh slice than using 2 hands.

I actually don't even play a slice backhand, I fail to get enough depth when i try so I use just a straight topspin 1hbh

chatt_town
09-28-2011, 09:35 PM
I personally think that probably most of the rec league players are older and that's just what they used. I can tell you that personally I came from playing baseball and I never even really watched a tennis match before playing but someone tried to get me to use two hands and it just felt too much like batting left handed even though I was playing tennis and not baseball. The one hand just felt much more natural for me. I will say though in the hands of the right person the one hander is better. With all the players that have two hands...i don't think it's a coincidence that the two top or the two players with the most majors under the their belts had one 1hbhs.



Recently, I noticed that about 60-70% of rec players play with a 1hbh. Considering that on the pro tour maybe 20% at best use a 1hbh and that it's a harder shot (in my opinion) to master, why would rec players be so inclined to use a 1hbh? Because of Sampras, Federer?

Enlighten me.

chatt_town
09-28-2011, 09:39 PM
ahh come on...You don't think you have a bit more reach with a one hand as compared to 2? That's at least one advantage. :)

People who grew up watching them aren't old. I know because I grew up watching Rod Laver, John Newcombe and Stan Smith. When I grew up, if you were a boy and played with a two-handed backhand, all the other kids would laugh at you and say "look at the little girl" because only little girls hit a backhand with two hands. And if you said "maybe this 15 ounce chunk of wood is too heavy" or "maybe the 4 5/8 grip is a little big," you'd have gotten the same reaction. Something like "son, Pancho Gonzales wouldn't have let his face be put on the racket unless it was a good one, so stop whining, grab that chunk of wood with a continental grip and start hitting the ball hard and flat." Then Jimmy Connnors came along with his two-handed backhand. I'm sure that one of the kids around Belleville said "Jimmy is a little girl" but, after that kid was found unconscious in an alley somewhere with fragments of racket imbedded in his skull, no one ever said it again.

I still hit with a one-handed backhand. I realize that there's absolutely no advantage to using one, but it's what I grew up using and none of you modern sissy kids are ever gonna convince me to change. :)

chatt_town
09-28-2011, 09:45 PM
So let me ask a serious question out of curiosity. If it's a simpler shot, why do you think about 85 to 95 percent of people get their backhands pounded or at least that is the shot most people try to stay on of the people that they are playing...right? i haven't run across too many guys whos backhand is better than their forehand...now girls are different story. I know whenever I see a girl playing the ad side..i generally serve right down the middle of the court(assuming they are right handed)

1HBH just seemed more natural to me, so I started out with it. Now after playing for 4 years and giving the 2HBH several tries, I feel even more inclined to stick with the 1HBH. For me a 2HBH just doesn't feel right. Simple as that.

A 1HBH is actually a much easier shot to hit, until you get to 5.0+ levels and start facing REAL pace. 1HBH is pretty much the easiest most basic shot in tennis because there is so little going on, so few "moving parts", etc. Technically it's a MUCH simpler stroke than a forehand.

rkelley
09-28-2011, 10:37 PM
So let me ask a serious question out of curiosity. If it's a simpler shot, why do you think about 85 to 95 percent of people get their backhands pounded or at least that is the shot most people try to stay on of the people that they are playing...right? i haven't run across too many guys whos backhand is better than their forehand...now girls are different story. I know whenever I see a girl playing the ad side..i generally serve right down the middle of the court(assuming they are right handed)

A one handed backhand is a simple shot in terms of it's mechanics. That doesn't mean it's an easy shot to make effective. If you don't line it up correctly then it's a very difficult shot to muscle over the way you can with a poorly set-up forehand. High balls and balls on the rise are pretty tough with a 1hbh, even for a guy like Roger. Serve returns can be pretty tricky too.

Combine this with the fact that with a modern forehand you can hit the absolute crud out of the ball. There's just so much power and spin available on that side for anyone that has a decent stroke. It's hard to get any backhand up to that same level.

aimr75
09-28-2011, 10:46 PM
^ pretty much this, the mechanics are pretty simple, the execution not so simple

chatt_town
09-29-2011, 01:21 AM
okay...fair enough. :)

^ pretty much this, the mechanics are pretty simple, the execution not so simple

papa
09-29-2011, 05:13 AM
It depends on how good your slice is. Some people can hit such great slices that the ball barely bounces up from the ground at all. Those are very hard to deal with and very hard to get under and back up over the net aggressively. I have trouble with them even with my eastern grips and 1HBH, I can't imagine how much more difficult it would be for players with western grips and 2HBH's.

OK. Maybe western grips are difficult to hit low balls but most who use a 2HBH can hit lower ball quite effectively. However, you right, a good slice drive can be a challenge and as Lee has pointed out, is a good shot. I still think that if its used too much or on every backhand, its going to get punished.

papa
09-29-2011, 05:16 AM
I love my slice backhand! It's the one shot that stays always ultra consistent, and it neutralizes the pace in a rally!

It is easy to pick up on if you see it too often though!

-Fuji

Fuji, I completely agree that it neutralizes pace and when used sparingly it is very effective - I just don't think it should be used exclusively on every backhand.

papa
09-29-2011, 05:19 AM
I actually don't even play a slice backhand, I fail to get enough depth when i try so I use just a straight topspin 1hbh

Well, this has been my experience also although many can hit a very effective and deep slice drive - I like the shot and will use it myself.

papa
09-29-2011, 05:22 AM
A one handed backhand is a simple shot in terms of it's mechanics. That doesn't mean it's an easy shot to make effective. If you don't line it up correctly then it's a very difficult shot to muscle over the way you can with a poorly set-up forehand. High balls and balls on the rise are pretty tough with a 1hbh, even for a guy like Roger. Serve returns can be pretty tricky too.

Combine this with the fact that with a modern forehand you can hit the absolute crud out of the ball. There's just so much power and spin available on that side for anyone that has a decent stroke. It's hard to get any backhand up to that same level.

Good post. I think the 2HBH has a much greater margin of error in the contact zone.

jmverdugo
09-29-2011, 05:49 AM
most rec players hit 1 bh is because its easier to hack a bh slice than using 2 hands.

Exactly, very few of these OHBers actually "hit" the ball, they just use a BH slice or a push type stroke to put the ball back in play, not that there is anything wrong with that.

HEADfamilydynasty
09-29-2011, 05:59 AM
Well I notice that many of the older player have ohbh's too. However, the younger generation mostly uses two-handers (I'm the only one with a one-handed backhand in my tennis team).

I feel your pain. i'm the only one on my high school team with a 1hbh, heck, i'm feel feel like i;m the only high schooler in NY with a 1hbh because no matter what event i go to i'm the only only persn who can hit all 3 1hbhs:flat, top, slice. it does have it advanages though. people can't attack something they've never encountered so it works to my advantage.

BreakPoint
09-29-2011, 12:20 PM
OK. Maybe western grips are difficult to hit low balls but most who use a 2HBH can hit lower ball quite effectively. However, you right, a good slice drive can be a challenge and as Lee has pointed out, is a good shot. I still think that if its used too much or on every backhand, its going to get punished.
Hmmm....1HBH is easier for hitting low bouncing balls, whereas, 2HBH is easier for hitting high bouncing balls.

That's why back on the low bouncing grass in the 90's, Sampras once said that he will never lose to a guy with a 2HBH at Wimbledon. :)

BreakPoint
09-29-2011, 12:21 PM
Fuji, I completely agree that it neutralizes pace and when used sparingly it is very effective - I just don't think it should be used exclusively on every backhand.
Hmmm....Steffi Graf won 22 Grand Slams by slicing every backhand. Ken Rosewall won a ton of Slams doing the same thing as well. :)

jk816
09-30-2011, 09:59 AM
Hmm, I'm almost ambidextrous and started with a 2 handed backhand. I eventually switched to a 1 hander.

Same here, lefty for writing, but righty for sports. I also started 2HBH in the late 70's (a kid not strong enough for 1 HBH), but switched as a teenager to a 1 HBH and never looked back. I tried experimenting with 2 hander again when I had shoulder surgery a few years ago, but the muscle memory of the 1HBH was too strong.

I think it may be generational and a function of when you started playing; if I was starting today, I'd probably go 2 HBH, but I started a long time ago. And I do think a well struck 1 HBH is the prettiest shot in tennis. When I line it up right, it is in the right zone height wise and I let it rip, it is almost always a clean cross court winner. But it is a bit more complex so consistency is tough at times and it does take longer to set up (which make sit tough against bigger hitters or guys who take the ball early) and I often resort to slice if the 1 HBH can't be set up in time.

I wonder what the correlation might be to guys who use 1 HBH and those who learned to throw frisbees as a kid? Very similar kinetic chain motion for a distance frisbee throw. My kids don't play with frisbees, but we sure did when I was young.

jk816
09-30-2011, 10:10 AM
I love my slice backhand! It's the one shot that stays always ultra consistent, and it neutralizes the pace in a rally!

It is easy to pick up on if you see it too often though!

-Fuji

I agree, I've gotten into a lot of BH cross court rallies with good 2 HBH players who can really groove the ball at you. I mix up my 1H TS with both low biting slice and a softer deeper one in the same rally to keep the 2H guys from getting into a good rythym and wear me down. And hope I get a short ball!

Boricua
09-30-2011, 10:22 AM
In my case a one hander feels more natural. I dont feel I have the flexibility to hit a two hander well, I feel robotic and without sufficient coordination and timing. With the one hander its the total opposite. Could be because of years of playing a one hander and almost no practice with the two hander.

Boricua
09-30-2011, 10:26 AM
Same here, lefty for writing, but righty for sports. I also started 2HBH in the late 70's (a kid not strong enough for 1 HBH), but switched as a teenager to a 1 HBH and never looked back. I tried experimenting with 2 hander again when I had shoulder surgery a few years ago, but the muscle memory of the 1HBH was too strong.

I think it may be generational and a function of when you started playing; if I was starting today, I'd probably go 2 HBH, but I started a long time ago. And I do think a well struck 1 HBH is the prettiest shot in tennis. When I line it up right, it is in the right zone height wise and I let it rip, it is almost always a clean cross court winner. But it is a bit more complex so consistency is tough at times and it does take longer to set up (which make sit tough against bigger hitters or guys who take the ball early) and I often resort to slice if the 1 HBH can't be set up in time.

I wonder what the correlation might be to guys who use 1 HBH and those who learned to throw frisbees as a kid? Very similar kinetic chain motion for a distance frisbee throw. My kids don't play with frisbees, but we sure did when I was young.

I agree. A well hit one handed backhand, specially with massive topspin, angled and crosscourt, and with proper technique, is quite beautiful to watch.

BreakPoint
09-30-2011, 12:53 PM
I wonder what the correlation might be to guys who use 1 HBH and those who learned to throw frisbees as a kid? Very similar kinetic chain motion for a distance frisbee throw. My kids don't play with frisbees, but we sure did when I was young.
Very good point. The mechanics of throwing a frisbee is indeed very similar to hitting a 1HBH. So for anyone that wants to learn how to hit a 1HBH or to gain more power, go out and play frisbee! :)

BreakPoint
09-30-2011, 12:54 PM
I agree. A well hit one handed backhand, specially with massive topspin, angled and crosscourt, and with proper technique, is quite beautiful to watch.
And even more beautiful to execute. :)

mikeler
09-30-2011, 01:04 PM
And even more beautiful to execute. :)


I crushed a few today. It never gets old. :)

onehandbh
09-30-2011, 01:18 PM
I crushed a few today. It never gets old. :)

Sometimes when I play, I'll crush one or two and miss 19. Trying to reverse
those numbers. Well, I don't need to crush them. Just hit solid, consistent shots.

LeeD
09-30-2011, 02:07 PM
I seem to hit my best topspin 1hbh's when I slice a whole slew of them, and only use the topspin for passes or winner attempts.
For some strange reason, if I only rally with 1hbh topspins, it just seems to frustratingly get worse and worse as I tire and lose footwork and prep.

mikeler
09-30-2011, 02:11 PM
I only slice when off balance, low balls or defensive shots. Otherwise I like to come over it.

Hewex
09-30-2011, 02:38 PM
I grew up with "Draw the sword". The twohander just feels odd to me....and of course the one hander allows me to be lazier.

gregor.b
09-30-2011, 02:47 PM
When learning to play about 18 or 19 years ago,I could only slice.Decided to get serious,got HEAPS of lessons,did drills etc.Almost did not hit one (intentionally)for several years.Over the ball,over the ball,over the ball.I lost an awful lot of matches.Now my slice is not great,but my ohbh is a heavy rally shot that rarely misses and I don't have to hit too many slices.Point being,unfortunately,you gotta take the pain to make the gains,and it ain't gonna be fun.Also,2hbh was not as popular back then.

rjw
09-30-2011, 07:35 PM
I think it may be generational and a function of when you started playing; if I was starting today, I'd probably go 2 HBH, but I started a long time ago. And I do think a well struck 1 HBH is the prettiest shot in tennis. When I line it up right, it is in the right zone height wise and I let it rip, it is almost always a clean cross court winner. But it is a bit more complex so consistency is tough at times and it does take longer to set up (which make sit tough against bigger hitters or guys who take the ball early) and I often resort to slice if the 1 HBH can't be set up in time.

I wonder what the correlation might be to guys who use 1 HBH and those who learned to throw frisbees as a kid? Very similar kinetic chain motion for a distance frisbee throw. My kids don't play with frisbees, but we sure did when I was young.

I'm with you on this.....the temptation is to whack the living daylights out of the ball and with a lot of topspin, but so far I really have to choose which balls to attempt this with. When in doubt , the old slice bh comes into play, but if I see it, I literally destroy it for a winner, either cc or dtl.

If I could get some serious time on my ball machine, this should become more frequent...no hurry tho...still need to drop some weight.

10sLifer
09-30-2011, 09:54 PM
Recently, I noticed that about 60-70% of rec players play with a 1hbh. Considering that on the pro tour maybe 20% at best use a 1hbh and that it's a harder shot (in my opinion) to master, why would rec players be so inclined to use a 1hbh? Because of Sampras, Federer?

Enlighten me.

I actually think a one hander is a much more natural shot which gives you more options and when hit correctly can actually be hit harder as you have a longer lever and get more power from the fall of the racquet(as with two hands the opposite hand acts as a drag). I think statistically the fact that the two greatest players of all time(Sampras, Federer) shows that. The reason more players don't use it is because they learned how to play from this forum! Just kidding!

chatt_town
09-30-2011, 11:04 PM
Hey...another thing I learned it does is screw guys up that hit with a semi western or western grip...it worked wonders for me when I played a ga top 5 4.5 player. He was left handed so it really worked out well. I would slice it to his forehand which was cross court for me and he was hitting it off the fence or in the net because he could not get under it to really do anything with it. So it neurtralizes more than pace.

Fuji, I completely agree that it neutralizes pace and when used sparingly it is very effective - I just don't think it should be used exclusively on every backhand.

chatt_town
09-30-2011, 11:14 PM
amen to that. That's why in mixed when me and the wife are warming up, I check out the guy's serve. If he has a good kick serve, she starts on the ad side...if his serve isn't jumping off the court big time, I play the ad side to give us more of a chance of breaking both of them. She gets on top of the kick serves really well. So we win a lot with this strategy.

Hmmm....1HBH is easier for hitting low bouncing balls, whereas, 2HBH is easier for hitting high bouncing balls.

That's why back on the low bouncing grass in the 90's, Sampras once said that he will never lose to a guy with a 2HBH at Wimbledon. :)

Golden Retriever
09-30-2011, 11:50 PM
Rec players don't need to return 200mph serves with one hand.

BreakPoint
10-01-2011, 12:39 AM
Rec players don't need to return 200mph serves with one hand.
And neither do the pros, or you, for that matter.

Why do you need two hands to return the 30mph serves that the people you play against hit at you? :)

gregor.b
10-01-2011, 01:12 AM
And neither do the pros, or you, for that matter.

Why do you need two hands to return the 30mph serves that the people you play against hit at you? :)

Maybe he has a really,really heavy racquet.

FedExpress 333
10-01-2011, 04:50 AM
I feel your pain. i'm the only one on my high school team with a 1hbh, heck, i'm feel feel like i;m the only high schooler in NY with a 1hbh because no matter what event i go to i'm the only only persn who can hit all 3 1hbhs:flat, top, slice. it does have it advanages though. people can't attack something they've never encountered so it works to my advantage.

LOL I thought I was the only high schooler with a 1hbh in NY! What chool do you play for?

HEADfamilydynasty
10-01-2011, 05:59 AM
LOL I thought I was the only high schooler with a 1hbh in NY! What chool do you play for?

For Port Richmod on Staten Island.

Larrysümmers
10-01-2011, 06:49 AM
I think many things have to do with it, including: 1, 1 hander is a pretty shot. 2, Look at me, Im Fed. 3. It feels pretty natural. 4. Why use two hands when youre just going to slice it back? 5, grew up using it.

just my opinions. for the record, i use a 1 and 2 hander. 1 hander can really rip a CC shot or DTL when i am WELL PREPARED for it. If my lazy feet prohibits me set up in time, then i am a 2 hander.

dennis10is
10-01-2011, 11:05 AM
as opposed to real ubiquity?

Is this similar to pseudo propensity in preference?

rjw
10-01-2011, 11:53 AM
I think many things have to do with it, including: 1, 1 hander is a pretty shot. 2, Look at me, Im Fed. 3. It feels pretty natural. 4. Why use two hands when youre just going to slice it back? 5, grew up using it.

just my opinions. for the record, i use a 1 and 2 hander. 1 hander can really rip a CC shot or DTL when i am WELL PREPARED for it. If my lazy feet prohibits me set up in time, then i am a 2 hander.

Seems to be a common theme amongst dinosaurs!!

Wait....who are you calling a dinosaur??

sureshs
10-01-2011, 12:28 PM
It is just common sense that going across the body to return a serve to the BH with a 1 hander is more difficult than facing it forward with a 2 hander. That is why so many of Federer's returns are weak slices.

Golden Retriever
10-01-2011, 12:49 PM
And neither do the pros, or you, for that matter.

Why do you need two hands to return the 30mph serves that the people you play against hit at you? :)

Because I get more control and power when I smack that 30mph serve to the backhand corner of my 1HBH opponent for a winner or a weak slice.

Golden Retriever
10-01-2011, 12:53 PM
as opposed to real ubiquity?

Is this similar to pseudo propensity in preference?

I think he meant to say Crazy-ubiquity. And I tend to agree, just look at Breakpoint.

lendl1986
10-01-2011, 01:05 PM
IMO, 25% of 3.5 players would instantly ump to 4.0 if they would drop the 1HBH for a simple, reliable 2HBH.

olliess
10-01-2011, 08:00 PM
just my opinions. for the record, i use a 1 and 2 hander. 1 hander can really rip a CC shot or DTL when i am WELL PREPARED for it. If my lazy feet prohibits me set up in time, then i am a 2 hander.

I was dreaming last night. In it I was caught horribly wrong footed when I got jammed by a huge shot up the middle. I fought it off with a two handed backhand and it went in.

I woke up in a cold sweat and decided I better work on my footwork so I don't have to hit any of those when I'm awake. :)

iamke55
10-01-2011, 08:20 PM
In my area, it's more like 90% who use 1HBH. It's because the 1HBH is more versatile and has more reach. Older players can't get to the ball as fast so it's easier to get the ball back with a 1HBH than with a 2HBH. Also, most leagues are doubles only and more recreational players play doubles than singles and it's more natural to play doubles with a 1HBH than a 2HBH because of one-handed backhand volleys and serving and volleying.

No, it has nothing at all to do with Sampras nor Federer nor any other pro player. Most recreational players couldn't care less how some pro hits the ball.

Actually, most recreational players care more about looking like a pro than results. I know the 2HBH is superior in every way, yet I don't use it because I KNOW I will never get to play vs Nadal or Djokovic so the difference won't matter.

rjw
10-01-2011, 08:25 PM
Actually, most recreational players care more about looking like a pro than results. I know the 2HBH is superior in every way, yet I don't use it because I KNOW I will never get to play vs Nadal or Djokovic so the difference won't matter.

I was hitting a one hander before those guys were even born...for all I know, they copied me......NOT

BreakPoint
10-01-2011, 10:28 PM
Because I get more control and power when I smack that 30mph serve to the backhand corner of my 1HBH opponent for a winner or a weak slice.
If you can't hit a winner off of a 30mph serve with only one hand then you really should start doing push-ups. :oops:

BreakPoint
10-01-2011, 10:30 PM
Actually, most recreational players care more about looking like a pro than results. I know the 2HBH is superior in every way, yet I don't use it because I KNOW I will never get to play vs Nadal or Djokovic so the difference won't matter.
Well, then you either have a lot to learn or you have a sub-par 1HBH. :(

rjw
10-01-2011, 10:34 PM
Well, then you either have a lot to learn or you have a sub-par 1HBH. :(

I'd say probably both....lol

On a side note, I've played with more than a few people who's 1hbh was a real weapon. this 1 vs 2 hbh stuff is stupid.....Personally, I find that many 2 handers look so mechanical....example: Serena......I hate the entire motion of her stroke.

jmo

gregor.b
10-01-2011, 10:34 PM
I think many things have to do with it, including: 1, 1 hander is a pretty shot. 2, Look at me, Im Fed. 3. It feels pretty natural. 4. Why use two hands when youre just going to slice it back? 5, grew up using it.

just my opinions. for the record, i use a 1 and 2 hander. 1 hander can really rip a CC shot or DTL when i am WELL PREPARED for it. If my lazy feet prohibits me set up in time, then i am a 2 hander.

Just for the record,I have seen some really ugly 1 hbh and I am pretty sure I was hitting a 1 hbh BEFORE Fed.

BreakPoint
10-01-2011, 10:38 PM
Just for the record,I have seen some really ugly 1 hbh and I am pretty sure I was hitting a 1 hbh BEFORE Fed.
Well, I KNOW I was since I was hitting 1HBH's for many years BEFORE Federer was even born! :shock: LOL

BTW, I've seen as many ugly 2HBH as I have ugly 1HBH. Oh, wait! EVERY 2HBH is ugly. :lol: LOL

rjw
10-01-2011, 10:44 PM
Why are some of these newbs (babies, age wise) so obsessed with pointing at older players and then claiming that they are Fed wannabees?

Conners and Borg were hitting 2 handers way back when fed, Nadal et al were either not even born or still in diapers.

2 handers are mostly for WEAK WIMPS ...lol and girlie types

sabala
10-01-2011, 11:44 PM
Why are some of these newbs (babies, age wise) so obsessed with pointing at older players and then claiming that they are Fed wannabees?

Conners and Borg were hitting 2 handers way back when fed, Nadal et al were either not even born or still in diapers.

2 handers are mostly for WEAK WIMPS ...lol and girlie types

Funny! :)

I had my 1st lesson in 1986 (15 yrs old) and my coach asked me if I wanted to learn a 2 handed backhand or 1 handed backhand. I said no way I'm hitting a girlie 2 hander - show me da one hander!

Also, my fave players to watch at the time were Edberg, Cash and Lendl. If I had started later when Agassi, Chang and Courier had become my faves, I may have wanted the 2 hander instead! :shock:

rjw
10-02-2011, 02:54 AM
Funny! :)

I had my 1st lesson in 1986 (15 yrs old) and my coach asked me if I wanted to learn a 2 handed backhand or 1 handed backhand. I said no way I'm hitting a girlie 2 hander - show me da one hander!

Also, my fave players to watch at the time were Edberg, Cash and Lendl. If I had started later when Agassi, Chang and Courier had become my faves, I may have wanted the 2 hander instead! :shock:

It's never too late to convert. missie...jk....kind of