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kissmyace
10-10-2011, 01:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idwtC5065nQ

High speed because I think that you get a better sense of the whole shot.

My goal over the last few months has been repitition and racquet head speed.

dozu
10-10-2011, 01:36 PM
terrible form

PrinceMoron
10-10-2011, 01:38 PM
Looks like there is a lot of strength behind the shot. Wouldn't mind seeing a forehand with a leading elbow rather than trailing, if that makes any sense.

rkelley
10-10-2011, 01:56 PM
terrible form

Seriously? What specific issues are you seeing, especially to qualify as "terrible."

It looks pretty good to me. Loop on the take back could be a bit lower, but as long as you can shorten it up when pressed for time it's reasonable.

The Bawss
10-10-2011, 02:47 PM
Seriously? What specific issues are you seeing, especially to qualify as "terrible."

It looks pretty good to me. Loop on the take back could be a bit lower, but as long as you can shorten it up when pressed for time it's reasonable.

Don't mind him, he makes a habit of spouting shlte about other peoples game without any authority to back his judgements up.

Anyway I agree that your forehand OP, is a little robotic but I guess you get decent pop with it anyway with that RHS.

Rubens
10-10-2011, 02:52 PM
Don't mind him, he makes a habit of spouting shlte about other peoples game without any authority to back his judgements up.

and btw it's the same guy that keeps bugging people to post videos, lol.

split-step
10-10-2011, 02:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idwtC5065nQ

High speed because I think that you get a better sense of the whole shot.

My goal over the last few months has been repitition and racquet head speed.

Your forehand looks pretty nice! I like.

papa
10-10-2011, 03:07 PM
I think Dosu's comments were a bit of tongue & cheek.

Form looks good, good pop on the ball, "probably" a pretty good player. Hard to tell too much of anything from one clip but I like what I see.

kissmyace
10-11-2011, 12:00 AM
Don't mind him, he makes a habit of spouting shlte about other peoples game without any authority to back his judgements up.

Anyway I agree that your forehand OP, is a little robotic but I guess you get decent pop with it anyway with that RHS.

Yeah, it feels a little robotic! Its not a natural swing for me and never has been, my backhand is the strength.

Thanks for the feedback.

phnx90
10-11-2011, 12:18 AM
Most importantly--I love your username! :D

OTMPut
10-11-2011, 01:00 AM
Most importantly--I love your username! :D

i have a nike tennis tee with that phrase.
i am too embarrassed to wear it to the court.

dozu
10-11-2011, 05:02 AM
strange trend developing here - some really advanced guys posting FHs seeking advice from the hackish crowd.

LeeD
10-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Comes in waves.
Players just want to see the reaction.

wilsonplayer
10-12-2011, 11:23 AM
wish my forehand looked like that

USERNAME
10-12-2011, 01:07 PM
I wanna see it in real action, not just warmup kine! Seriously your fh looks to be technically perfect.

raging
10-15-2011, 10:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idwtC5065nQ

High speed because I think that you get a better sense of the whole shot.

My goal over the last few months has been repitition and racquet head speed.

It says on the you tube video it is from 2007!
Are you still working on your forehand repetition & racquet head speed?
If it feels robotic(ie you have to think about it!) then it will break down under pressure, fast tempo, same speed from your hitting partner, feeder it will always look good. But you know that.
Good on you for posting the video, guessing you are a teaching pro changing his swing plane, experimenting with what used to be called multi-segment forehand.
Good fun for your students to watch videos of their coach.

Limpinhitter
10-15-2011, 03:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idwtC5065nQ

High speed because I think that you get a better sense of the whole shot.

My goal over the last few months has been repitition and racquet head speed.

It looks like you're ripping the cover off of the ball, although I can't see the ball flight. I do agree with PrinceMoron that you could lead with the elbow a bit more on the forward swing before contact. Otherwise, very good looking stroke.

Limpinhitter
10-15-2011, 03:08 PM
strange trend developing here - some really advanced guys posting FHs seeking advice from the hackish crowd.

You should give yourself more credit, Dozu. You're always so self deprecating.

HunterST
10-15-2011, 07:21 PM
You should give yourself more credit, Dozu. You're always so self deprecating.

except for when he thinks he's a 5.5 level player :twisted:

dozu
10-15-2011, 07:39 PM
ha hunter, I see you found a faceless comrade of yours :twisted:

HunterST
10-15-2011, 07:45 PM
ha hunter, I see you found a faceless comrade of yours :twisted:

It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Bartelby
10-15-2011, 07:50 PM
It's very good for a practice swing/rally shot, but any videos with more core rotation for max power?

ahuimanu
10-15-2011, 08:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idwtC5065nQ

High speed because I think that you get a better sense of the whole shot.

My goal over the last few months has been repitition and racquet head speed.

I think you've achieved your goal. Love your follow thru and especially your acceleration thru contact... very nice and clean high level forehand...well done!

dozu
10-16-2011, 03:55 AM
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

faceless people also like to recycle some cliches.

how about something original, like

it's better to keep faceless and be thought a tennis player than to show the face and remove all doubt.

obsessed with 'seeing faces', I have requested numerous people during debates like this.. only 1 guy showed up (forgot his name, one heck of a good player from australia).... all the others chose to cop out.

the proof is in the facts. people choose to hide, because people can't play.

Manus Domini
10-16-2011, 06:25 AM
Anyone else reminded of Gasquet?

HunterST
10-16-2011, 06:59 AM
faceless people also like to recycle some cliches.

how about something original, like

it's better to keep faceless and be thought a tennis player than to show the face and remove all doubt.

obsessed with 'seeing faces', I have requested numerous people during debates like this.. only 1 guy showed up (forgot his name, one heck of a good player from australia).... all the others chose to cop out.

the proof is in the facts. people choose to hide, because people can't play.

This attitude stems from your struggle with narcissism. You think people owe it to you to purchase a video camera, get a hitting partner who is comfortable with having their image put on the internet, find an angle in which the strokes are visible, and then upload the video to their computer and youtube. Not to mention they're making themselves personally identifiable on the internet (which can be dangerous).

Frankly, no one cares about going to that trouble just to make you happy.

It's the same thing with you and actually playing a competitive tennis match. You say it's too much trouble to play a USTA tournament. The results from that would give way more conclusive evidence about playing level than a video. Are you scared?

papa
10-16-2011, 07:26 AM
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Sound like something Mark Twain might have said.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 08:08 AM
except for when he thinks he's a 5.5 level player :twisted:

I don't understand the obsession with these USTA ratings. They didn't even exist when I played juniors and men's open. When I play a match, I don't give s**t what my opponents rating (if any) is. It doesn't win or lose me a single point. I just try to find his weaknesses and execute my gameplan and let the better player win.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 08:09 AM
Sound like something Mark Twain might have said.

Abraham Lincoln!

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 08:09 AM
Anyone else reminded of Gasquet?

Not to me. I can't even look at Gasguet's forehand. It gives me the creeps.

dozu
10-16-2011, 08:10 AM
Frankly, no one cares about going to that trouble just to make you happy.



Hunter you are dancing around with false arguments.

first of all, it's not about making me happy, it's about putting a validity, a face value on the arguments from the faceless parties.

2ndly, how many times do I have reiterate, that I put a price on me partaking in a tourny, which is $3k bet

3rd, do not equal shooting a video to playing in a tourney.... even a wall video is fine. Don't have a camera? I will loan you one.

4th, what is the danger of 'personally identified'? the millions of people on youtube must all be in danger then.... the only danger here is that a hacker's true playing level is exposed, which renders him a laughing stock on TT.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 08:12 AM
Hunter you are dancing around with false arguments.

first of all, it's not about making me happy, it's about putting a validity, a face value on the arguments from the faceless parties.

2ndly, how many times do I have reiterate, that I put a price on me partaking in a tourny, which is $3k bet

3rd, do not equal shooting a video to playing in a tourney.... even a wall video is fine. Don't have a camera? I will loan you one.

4th, what is the danger of 'personally identified'? the millions of people on youtube must all be in danger then.... the only danger here is that a hacker's true playing level is exposed, which renders him a laughing stock on TT.

So, you are saying that the value of your comments on TT is measured by the video's you have posted here? Hahaha!

kissmyace
10-16-2011, 08:27 AM
Thanks for the comments.

The video is from last year and I have since changed my forehand a bit and have been struggling, so wanted feedback on a previous technique. The change has been in the take back being smaller and leading more with the elbow. It is almost too loose now though and as I've never had a natural stroke on that side I feel that it's lacking construction.

I have no issue with power, but do with control and staying relaxed. I got rid of the Extreme Pro and now use a Rebel which has improved things on the control front.

When you guys are saying that I should lead more with the elbow on the forward swing, what exactly do you mean?

As for the Gasquet crack, I'm seriously offended!! Lol not really, I'd take his forehand most days of the week!

dozu
10-16-2011, 08:28 AM
So, you are saying that the value of your comments on TT is measured by the video's you have posted here? Hahaha!

your laugh is what's laughable.

what is your profession?

if you are a doctor, will you debate with some street fellow on some cutting edge medical research?

the same argument can be made, for any highly specialized fields, let alone professional sport.

the understanding of the game, is highly correlated to one's playing level.

dozu
10-16-2011, 08:30 AM
Thanks for the comments.

The video is from last year and I have since changed my forehand a bit and have been struggling, so wanted feedback on a previous technique. The change has been in the take back being smaller and leading more with the elbow. It is almost too loose now though and as I've never had a natural stroke on that side I feel that it's lacking construction.

I have no issue with power, but do with control and staying relaxed. I got rid of the Extreme Pro and now use a Rebel which has improved things on the control front.

When you guys are saying that I should lead more with the elbow on the forward swing, what exactly do you mean?

As for the Gasquet crack, I'm seriously offended!! Lol not really, I'd take his forehand most days of the week!

you are trying to learn economics from Ethiopia my friend... the guy made that elbow comment is a 3.5 hack.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 08:34 AM
your laugh is what's laughable.

what is your profession?

if you are a doctor, will you debate with some street fellow on some cutting edge medical research?

the same argument can be made, for any highly specialized fields, let alone professional sport.

the understanding of the game, is highly correlated to one's playing level.

Well then, I'm truly puzzled about your opinion of yourself as one qualified to give advice about tennis. The truth is that, if you can give advice, then your negative criticism of anyone else who gives advice on the grounds of their playing level is the height of hypocrisy.

dozu
10-16-2011, 08:38 AM
Well then, I'm truly puzzled about your opinion of yourself as one qualified to give advice about tennis. The truth is that, if you can give advice, then your negative criticism of anyone else who gives advice on the grounds of their playing level is the height of hypocrisy.

not at all - I am at the top 5% of rec players, while you are at the bottom 30%, so I can give advice to 95% while you may to to 29%

there is a huge gap here.... not to mention that at 95%, more often than not my advice will help people than hurting, and those 5% can prolly recognize if I am wrong anyway.

but at 29% probability, the odds are you give the wrong advice more often than not.

papa
10-16-2011, 08:43 AM
I don't understand the obsession with these USTA ratings. They didn't even exist when I played juniors and men's open. When I play a match, I don't give s**t what my opponents rating (if any) is. It doesn't win or lose me a single point. I just try to find his weaknesses and execute my gameplan and let the better player win.

Not really applicable to juniors or open tennis.

kissmyace
10-16-2011, 08:45 AM
My thread seems to be getting in the way of something personal here!

papa
10-16-2011, 08:46 AM
Abraham Lincoln!

Thanks, well at least I had almost the right era. One of the things Lincoln said that I have always enjoyed was "your about as happy as you make up your mind your going to be" - might not have that exactly right.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 08:46 AM
Thanks for the comments.

The video is from last year and I have since changed my forehand a bit and have been struggling, so wanted feedback on a previous technique. The change has been in the take back being smaller and leading more with the elbow. It is almost too loose now though and as I've never had a natural stroke on that side I feel that it's lacking construction.

I have no issue with power, but do with control and staying relaxed. I got rid of the Extreme Pro and now use a Rebel which has improved things on the control front.

When you guys are saying that I should lead more with the elbow on the forward swing, what exactly do you mean?

As for the Gasquet crack, I'm seriously offended!! Lol not really, I'd take his forehand most days of the week!

The leading elbow really is the foundation of the modern forehand, IMO. Some players achieve a leading elbow by leading with the elbow on the windup and then snapping it forward on the forward swing. I personally find that to be a less effective, less efficient way to do it. Rather, holding your elbow in, tighter to your body, in the windup (ala Nadal), will help facilitate a leading elbow in the foreward swing.

Like I said in my initial comment to you, I can't see the ball flight or the shape of your shot. But, I suspect you're hitting flatter than you should for the amount of power you are generating. That may be the cause of your lack of sufficient control. The leading elbow helps to add topspin naturally and effortlessly, without having to manipulate the swing path to do so.

Here is a video of Djokovic that shows the leading elbow. It's not the best angle, but, you'll get the idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq09yHPmKh0

PS: Here's a video of Roddick from a better angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifl4VVvGjNg&feature=related

dozu
10-16-2011, 08:48 AM
My thread seems to be getting in the way of something personal here!

nothing personal.... it's been slow lately.... nothing exciting going on around here, my old dogs getting hurt by luxilon, weather has been iffy.

need to vent this 'anger and frustration' somewhere.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 09:02 AM
Thanks, well at least I had almost the right era. One of the things Lincoln said that I have always enjoyed was "your about as happy as you make up your mind your going to be" - might not have that exactly right.

There are a lot of amazing quotes attributed to Lincoln. Here are a few more:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

"Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all."

"I can make more generals, but horses cost money."

"I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends."

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

"No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."

"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself."

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 09:05 AM
My thread seems to be getting in the way of something personal here!

Welcome to TT where, sooner or later, everything is personal!

HunterST
10-16-2011, 09:06 AM
Thanks, well at least I had almost the right era. One of the things Lincoln said that I have always enjoyed was "your about as happy as you make up your mind your going to be" - might not have that exactly right.

I'm not sure who really said it, but I got it from an episode of home improvement I saw when I was kid, haha. They said it was from Mark Twain, so you could be right!

HunterST
10-16-2011, 09:09 AM
Welcome to TT where, sooner or later, everything is personal!

Limpinhitter, how dare you tell Papa that quote was from Lincoln! You must be stupider 70% of the people in the US. I demand you take an IQ test and post the results. Take a video while you're at it.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 09:55 AM
Limpinhitter, how dare you tell Papa that quote was from Lincoln! You must be stupider 70% of the people in the US. I demand you take an IQ test and post the results. Take a video while you're at it.

Ooops! When you're as old as I am, all these pesky quotes and their originators seem to run together into a big blur. Maybe it was President Twain who first said it! :wink:

dozu
10-16-2011, 10:15 AM
you guyz are perfect partners in a mask dance party

ahuimanu
10-16-2011, 10:42 AM
My thread seems to be getting in the way of something personal here!

Ok, here is an attempt to get this thread back on track... You might find these videos of RF instructive. I've also been trying to re-tool my forehand and think Fed is the model for me.

I'm trying to change from a high elbow (Lendl forehand i.e. chicken wing) to a elbow close with a shorter backswing but extended follow thru. Fed's forehand is a bit more athletic than most but his fundamentals and stroke mechanics are outstanding. At this stage of my tennis game its mostly for fun but at least its a goal toward improvement. Hope this helps! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPLmCqGIotM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uClN7c79ZbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IYa7VsZYg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ImeQaAyFPc&feature=related

papa
10-16-2011, 11:15 AM
There are a lot of amazing quotes attributed to Lincoln. Here are a few more:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

"Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all."

"I can make more generals, but horses cost money."

"I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends."

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

"No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."

"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself."

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Couple of ones I hadn't heard before - thanks.

Limpinhitter
10-16-2011, 11:28 AM
Ok, here is an attempt to get this thread back on track... You might find these videos of RF instructive. I've also been trying to re-tool my forehand and think Fed is the model for me.

I'm trying to change from a high elbow (Lendl forehand i.e. chicken wing) to a elbow close with a shorter backswing but extended follow thru. Fed's forehand is a bit more athletic than most but his fundamentals and stroke mechanics are outstanding. At this stage of my tennis game its mostly for fun but at least its a goal toward improvement. Hope this helps! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPLmCqGIotM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uClN7c79ZbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31IYa7VsZYg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ImeQaAyFPc&feature=related

IMO, Federer is an exception to what most are doing. When I first saw his fh in slow motion I was completely flabbergasted. Ridiculous, I thought. But, he has talent that is exclusive to him. He hits with a straight elbow and leads with the wrist. If that comes naturally to you, then more power to you. You need to have the footwork to go with the more demanding, more exacting, set up requirements inherent in a straight arm forehand. But, if it's not something that comes naturally, it seems to me that the double bend is more universal and easier for most to execute, and that you'd be better off spending your time perfecting that technique. YMMV.

ahuimanu
10-16-2011, 12:44 PM
IMO, Federer is an exception to what most are doing. When I first saw his fh in slow motion I was completely flabbergasted. Ridiculous, I thought. But, he has talent that is exclusive to him. He hits with a straight elbow and leads with the wrist. If that comes naturally to you, then more power to you. You need to have the footwork to go with the more demanding, more exacting, set up requirements inherent in a straight arm forehand. But, if it's not something that comes naturally, it seems to me that the double bend is more universal and easier for most to execute, and that you'd be better off spending your time perfecting that technique. YMMV.

Your thoughts are coming in loud and clear. Fed's forehand is very athletic and requires a lot of precise footwork and timing to execute offensively (runaround, inside-out). I've actually tried the straight arm approach but only when I have time to load up my wrist and snap it into and thru the ball (guys hit too hard these days).

My takeaway from his stroke is the use of the non-hitting hand to locate/lineup the ball, compact backswing, eyes down and racquet thru the ball for maximum dwell time. I'm fairly consistent with the forehand stroke but lack the precise fine tuning (footwork) just before contact and drive into and up into the ball for an offensive shot (like the old dayz)... :)