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Aykhan Mammadov
07-12-2005, 01:58 PM
We witnessed with you how GREAT Agassi tried to beat Federer from 2003 and failed: last 7 matches Fed gave him no chances. We saw how former No 1 Hewitt tried to do the same but failed: last 8 matches Fed won. And etc...

We see now that another player Nadal is giving no chances to anybody and spoils the holiday of Fed.

From one side - tennis magician Fed with his genius, from another - young runner returning every point because of the character and excellent physical condidtion.

Imagine in Entry ranking Fed has 6980 points, and 2-nd Hewitt is only 3840 and 3-d Nadal is already approaching Lleyton with his 3750. This young kid having started only yestreday!!!!

In Indesit Fed is 910, Nadal is 699 and others - in abyss.

It seems that these two players demoralized all other PROs.They see how good and tough these 2 plays and they are losing their appetite. Don't you agree ?

tylerchadwick
07-12-2005, 02:05 PM
things will change for nadal! clay courter.

Grimjack
07-12-2005, 02:08 PM
Nadal, I think, must have really ruined hope for a lot of pros with his emergence as a clay court force. Used to be you could get away from the utter dominance of the Fed Express during claycourt season if you had a decent backcourt game. Now, there's a buzzsaw there, too. One guy will kill ya on 2/3 of the tour's stops, the other will kill ya on the other 1/3. Leaves most everyone else fighting for scraps.

gugafanatic
07-12-2005, 02:11 PM
I agree with you that guys like Hewitt and Roddick are completely dumbfounded by Federers game at the moment. However I dont think either Roddick or Hewitt are demoralized by Nadals game as both have respectively defeated Nadal at the US and AUS Open. Nadal has been brilliant on clay, and he has created this aura of invicibility on that surface. I will even go as far as saying that Nadal is as good on clay as Federer is on grass. Some may argue that he needs to win 2 more FO titles to prove his worth, but there are a vast amount of claycourt tournaments during the calender year unlike grass events that Nadal will enter (usually win) and compete amongst the best players. I really doubt Federer could win 7 grass events in a single calender year, if possible. Discuss.

Christopher
07-12-2005, 02:18 PM
Federer only lost as he was off form at the French.

What he said after that was so true "Its reassurring to know that at my best I can beat Nadal on any surface" so clearyl he sees him as his biggest threat.

Allthough Gasquet may change that f he gets his head in place.

Steve Dykstra
07-12-2005, 03:58 PM
The other pros are not demorolized completely, they are undoubtedly glad to be where they are, they simply are not as good as Federer.

The tennis guy
07-12-2005, 07:39 PM
However I dont think either Roddick or Hewitt are demoralized by Nadals game as both have respectively defeated Nadal at the US and AUS Open.

I agree Hewitt and Roddick are demoralized by Federer who are just too good for them on any surface. However, they can't wait to get their hands on Nadal on fast courts. For now, with his high ranking, Nadal even won't get to play Hewitt and Roddick that often, because on clay Hewitt and Roddick are not good enough to get that far while on fast court Nadal is not good enough to get that far. The only chance they get to play each other are a few slow hard court events during spring like in Indian Wells and Miami.

pound cat
07-13-2005, 03:48 AM
I think players like Hewitt an Roddick are less demoralized than angry that Federer is on the scene at the peak of their own careers where under other circumstances they could be winning all sorts of titles. If Borg was playing now the story would be the same. In sports there's only one #1, and Federer's it at the moment. Hewitt had his time there, (a long time) so just get on with whatever talent they have & accept their place. A recent article posted here on Wimbledon pointed said that Roddick was unlucky was apparent at Wimbledon this year...an otherwise Wimbledon winner is playing at the wrong place in time. Kismet...and timing is everything...in comedy or sports

rhubarb
07-13-2005, 04:20 AM
I really doubt Federer could win 7 grass events in a single calender year, if possible. Discuss.

If he can win 7 events or more on all surfaces each year for the past three years, why do you think he would have any problem winning 7 on grass alone, which is probably his best surface?

Rabbit
07-13-2005, 04:32 AM
Yes, I expect all of the other pros on tour to retire effective after the Open this year.

baseliner
07-13-2005, 06:06 AM
Before we completely shut down the pro tour due to Fed's dominance let's remember that while he is very good, Fed has won one of the 3 GS tourneys thus far. That would seem to hearten the lesser mortals out there trying to win tourneys.

Ronaldo
07-13-2005, 07:32 AM
Nadal is getting incredible attention and should but before closing down the tour, remember Guga, Coria, and Ferrero. Stuff happens and how soon we forget.

Shyyre
07-13-2005, 07:48 AM
I thinnk that you have to take what you can get... Fed on grass and Nadal on clay seems like a safe bet everytime, but imagine how shocked everyone will be when they lose... those players may be disheartened, but they are never giong to just give up, and the time will come... it always does:) (mind you, those chances may be in the far distant future, or a parallel universe th way they are playing at the moment)

more importantly though are the other two major on hard court where fed and nadal will be great, no doubt, but other players are better on those surfaces and have more of a chance (ie safin, roddick, plus any other big servers you care to throw in...) i think that next six or seven months through the AO will really display to all if there is any hope of anyone catching them... fed especially.

ty slothrop
07-13-2005, 08:04 AM
Before we completely shut down the pro tour due to Fed's dominance let's remember that while he is very good, Fed has won one of the 3 GS tourneys thus far. That would seem to hearten the lesser mortals out there trying to win tourneys.


actually it's five, along with 8-10 master's series including 3x in hamburg onthe world's slowest clay.

federer will wil the french multiple times.

Aykhan Mammadov
07-13-2005, 08:30 AM
You know, when some PRO sees the way how to reach the level of Fed or Nadal it could have meaning for them to do something, to work harder. But when u see near you Mozart how can u reach his level ? The only method to poison him.

Poor Hewitt, Roddick, Safin... What to do for them ? Or say worser - second row of such players as Davydenko, Lubicic, Anjic, Nalbandyan, and etc...What to do for them ? Only cry ?

Rabbit
07-13-2005, 08:31 AM
No, baseliner is correct. He's won one of the Grand Slams this year.

baseliner is also correct in his assumption.

ty slothrop
07-13-2005, 08:53 AM
No, baseliner is correct. He's won one of the Grand Slams this year.

baseliner is also correct in his assumption.

sorry, should have read closer!

Camilio Pascual
07-13-2005, 10:11 AM
If he can win 7 events or more on all surfaces each year for the past three years, why do you think he would have any problem winning 7 on grass alone, which is probably his best surface?

"I really doubt Federer could win more than 7 grass events in a single calendar year, if possible." - Gugafanatic

Not possible, because there are only 6 grass court events in a calendar year, some of them held concurrently. It would be a real trick to win 3 of them.

You got sucker punched by a nonsensical statement.

Steve Dykstra
07-13-2005, 02:59 PM
Poor Hewitt, Roddick, Safin... What to do for them ? Or say worser - second row of such players as Davydenko, Lubicic, Anjic, Nalbandyan, and etc...What to do for them ? Only cry ?

This is a real laugher. Yes Aykhan, they cry because Federer is better than them. LMFAO

pound cat
07-13-2005, 03:14 PM
Don't cry for them, they're not, because they're rich and famous beyond their wildest dreams and have a life attained by few but envied by many.

FedererUberAlles
07-13-2005, 03:20 PM
Federer and Nadal should play a match, one half of the court would be grass, the other would be clay. :p

krnboijunsung
07-13-2005, 03:28 PM
Everyone else just needs to get better.

gugafanatic
07-13-2005, 03:32 PM
"I really doubt Federer could win more than 7 grass events in a single calendar year, if possible." - Gugafanatic

Not possible, because there are only 6 grass court events in a calendar year, some of them held concurrently. It would be a real trick to win 3 of them.

You got sucker punched by a nonsensical statement.

What I meant was that if the grass court schedule had been extended and a greater number of grass court tournaments were played I doubt Fed could win 7 as Nadal has done on clay this year. If both Nadal and Fed entered the same amount of clay and grass court tournaments respectively (hypothetically speaking) I would expect Nadal to display better results on clay then Fed on grass. I say this because Nadal has almost embarassed some of the top clay court specialists this year. Not all grasscourts are like Wimbledon, which is slower and does not skid as much as Newport for instance. Fed would struggle to consistently beat top players like Safin on different grass surfaces with varying speed and bounce.

Steve Dykstra
07-13-2005, 06:18 PM
Fed demolished the best grass courters at wimbledon, I see no reason why he could not win 7 or more grass titles if they expanded the grass season.

The tennis guy
07-13-2005, 08:28 PM
What I meant was that if the grass court schedule had been extended and a greater number of grass court tournaments were played I doubt Fed could win 7 as Nadal has done on clay this year. If both Nadal and Fed entered the same amount of clay and grass court tournaments respectively (hypothetically speaking) I would expect Nadal to display better results on clay then Fed on grass. I say this because Nadal has almost embarassed some of the top clay court specialists this year. Not all grasscourts are like Wimbledon, which is slower and does not skid as much as Newport for instance. Fed would struggle to consistently beat top players like Safin on different grass surfaces with varying speed and bounce.

Safin suddenly becomes top grass court player? Your logic is strange to say the least.

You think Federer is tougher on hard court and clay court than on grass? He won two grass court titles this year, the rest of them were on hard and clay. If he can do that on hard and clay (win 7 titles), he can do it on grass easier. Regardless of soft or hard grass, there are fewer challengers to him on grass than on hard and clay.

Aykhan Mammadov
07-14-2005, 03:02 PM
I think players like Hewitt an Roddick are less demoralized than angry that Federer is on the scene at the peak of their own careers where under other circumstances they could be winning all sorts of titles. If Borg was playing now the story would be the same. In sports there's only one #1, and Federer's it at the moment. Hewitt had his time there, (a long time) so just get on with whatever talent they have & accept their place. A recent article posted here on Wimbledon pointed said that Roddick was unlucky was apparent at Wimbledon this year...an otherwise Wimbledon winner is playing at the wrong place in time. Kismet...and timing is everything...in comedy or sports

Pound cat, I never knew that there is such a word "kismet" in English. I was surprised because it is Azerbaijan word in our language pronounced as " gismet" and probably also in Persian and it has the same meaning also in these 2 languages. Probably it came into English from Turkish or Persian, or vice versa? What do u think ?

pound cat
07-14-2005, 03:32 PM
Before we completely shut down the pro tour due to Fed's dominance let's remember that while he is very good, Fed has won one of the 3 GS tourneys thus far. That would seem to hearten the lesser mortals out there trying to win tourneys.


Nah, it just means that all the other players now have 2 more players to worry about.

pound cat
07-14-2005, 03:42 PM
Kismet is commonly used in English speech, but is obviously an eastern word. One of the most interesting word searches i did was with the English word "watermelon" For example, In ukrainian it's harbooz, in Farsi (Afghani) it's "arbooz" in turkish it's "harbooz" , I can't remember what in Persian but similar, & likely similar word in India. And in your language ?(BTW what do you call the language is spoken in Azerbaiijan?) Following the similarities of the words for the same thing maps the the old trade routes.

Aykhan Mammadov
07-15-2005, 01:06 AM
The language in Azerbaijan called Azerbaijan. It belongs to Turkish group of languages similar to that as English belongs to the German group, it is close with Turkish but not identical completely. In our " harbooz" pronounced as " garpiz". It is Turkish word and it is used in Ukranian also because there are so many words used in Slavenian languages coming from Turkish and vice versa since 2 group of nations live in neighbourd and so many times catched each other.

What is concerning Farsi and Persian - don't confuse. These 2 words mean the same. Farsi=Persian, in our language half of the nation living in Iran called as Farsi ( another half is from Turkish group and mostly are Azeri-turks=Azerbaijanians) as well as their language, Europians call it Persian. Afganis - mostly Pushtuns are not Farsi.

rhubarb
07-15-2005, 01:19 AM
"I really doubt Federer could win more than 7 grass events in a single calendar year, if possible." - Gugafanatic

Not possible, because there are only 6 grass court events in a calendar year, some of them held concurrently. It would be a real trick to win 3 of them.

You got sucker punched by a nonsensical statement.

I don't think so. gugafanatic wrote "if possible" indicating that it isn't currently possible to win 7 grass events, so I took it that he meant in the hypothetical situation where a player could enter 7 grasscourt tournaments a year, Federer wouldn't win that many, and I disagree.

Edit: and now I see that he responded to back that view up. I still very much disagree that Federer wouldn't dominate grass in the way Nadal does on clay.

By the way, with the current calendar it's possible to win 4 grass tournaments a year, not 3.

Dr.Lobster
07-15-2005, 01:31 AM
i guess losing could be seen as being demoralized