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GugaGuga
07-12-2005, 02:59 PM
California, Arizona, Florida... all seem like good/obvious places. Is there a best place to go train for tennis?

Also, what's the process for earning a qualifier spot in the U.S. Open? Obviously, one must be a USTA member and develop a ranking by winning matches in open tournaments. But how long does that process take? I don't believe you have to technically be a pro with an ITF number to earn a qualifier spot in the open. Is this correct? Aren't all USTA members technically "eligible"?

Any help with these questions would be appreciated.

Thanks

BreakPoint
07-12-2005, 03:08 PM
It seems lately, Barcelona, Spain has been the best place to train and develop as a pro player.

Chadwixx
07-12-2005, 03:20 PM
florida, if u can play in this heat/humidity u can play anywhere in the world with ease.

tricky nicky
07-12-2005, 03:30 PM
Just a thought.......but I gotta agree with Breakpoint..and not just Barcelona, although it has been the hotbed of Spanish tennis for many years.......there is just so much competition.............if you have talent (horrible term) your going to have to use every bit to breakfree from the pack....and over the last few years they have been doing it in droves........credit should also be given to the Argentinians.

I met many "Argy" tennis coaches on my travels in Spain.they have such terrific motivational skills...one fitness coach blew me away with his workout for 1.5 hours, man it opened my eyes..if it is possible I think the place people want to go is Spain.

it has pretty good weather all year round and tennis is a way of life......tennis shops almost on every corner.

thats it.

tricky.

edge
07-12-2005, 04:06 PM
If you want to develop like Sampras or Federer, you have to have a great all-court coach who brings in specialist when needed. If you want to develop a baseliner game, you go to an academy. Most of the pros who have weakness in the transition and front court game, cut their teeth at an academy, i.e., Agassi, Sharapova, the sistas, the Russian girls.. Nadal did not attend the academies in Barcelona, he stay home and trained with his uncle. This week my son received a scholarship from USTA High Performance to train for a week before the Clay Court Supernationals. He is training at the West Side Tennis Club where the US Open used to be played. No, he is too good to be on court with any of the juniors there so he basically has a 5 hour private lesson with their best pro. He is given alot of attention and works on every stroke and then plays matches with these pros. Now let me tell you, you cannot get that at any tennis academy. At best you are one of many, you take a number and you're on the court with five other guys with NO private instruction. Sharapova is currently taking lessons with Lansdorf to work on things she never learned at Nick B's. Lansdorf works at a public court!

Phil Daddario
07-12-2005, 04:21 PM
Barcelona is great from what I hear. But instead of aiming for a place...aim for a teacher, or as edge said, one of those national experiences.

Lansdorp works at the South Bay Tennis Club, which I play at occasionally. It's public and open to everyone. From what I've been overhearing sometimes, he's a great teacher. Strict, too. But lessons cost $160 because of the demand, and he's still booked. Sometimes, he just endlessly drills players and still gets that $160. ;) I've seen Sharapova twice on the next court.

As for becoming a qualifier into the US Open, good luck. You generally have to have an ITF ranking of 150 to enter in Junior Slams. I believe at some of the top national tournaments, if you're the winner or runner up, you get a wild card into the tournament.

You're going to have to build that ranking up to have a chance at a Junior Slam.

NoBadMojo
07-12-2005, 07:01 PM
all fine and good but the USTA is hardly notorious for having developed great tennis players. they may have had a part in some, but most of them have other coaches, traners etc as well. until that happens, it's pretty hard to argue w. the success of the tennis factories in spite of what tey are. there are really good camps and academies that arent huge, and you get individualized attention by very high quality pros. the Carlos Goffi Tournament Tough program is one that comes to mind, and if you go there you end up playing with some of the best juniors and college players in the country. The groups are small, they are very picky about who they accept, and Carlos has a few credentials having been the coach of both McEnroes at one time. if you want all court and serve/volleyers, you need kids that are athletic enough for that sort of thing, and the best athletes in the US arent playing tennis by and large..i would like to think that it's more about the player than the instructional level.

drp2345
07-17-2005, 07:32 PM
Lansdorp works at the South Bay Tennis Club, which I play at occasionally. It's public and open to everyone. From what I've been overhearing sometimes, he's a great teacher. Strict, too. But lessons cost $160 because of the demand, and he's still booked. Sometimes, he just endlessly drills players and still gets that $160. ;) I've seen Sharapova twice on the next court.



You think $160 for a lesson with lansdorp is bad...try $500 for one hour with Nick Bolletieri. That was the price as of last year and i've heard that his rates have increased.

RafaN RichardG
07-18-2005, 06:59 AM
......

Also, what's the process for earning a qualifier spot in the U.S. Open? Obviously, one must be a USTA member and develop a ranking by winning matches in open tournaments. But how long does that process take? I don't believe you have to technically be a pro with an ITF number to earn a qualifier spot in the open. Is this correct? Aren't all USTA members technically "eligible"?

Any help with these questions would be appreciated.

Thanks

im not totally sure but i thought anyone with a usta membership over the age of 14 could qualify? since its an open tournament cant anyone with the qualities i just listed qualify?
and when does it mean for someone to technically "turn pro" is it just when they get computer ranking points?

joe sch
07-18-2005, 07:59 AM
You think $160 for a lesson with lansdorp is bad...try $500 for one hour with Nick Bolletieri. That was the price as of last year and i've heard that his rates have increased.
Those rates are outrageous but based on thier fame from getting credit of having produced champion players. They are fortunate to get many of the best players. I know a former top ten level player that coaches in west LA, has as much or more coaching experience as both of these guys and is a better coach, IMO. Ofcourse he has not produced a world champion so his rates are only $75/hr. This guy will improve every aspect of your game and not just put you thru baseline hitting drills :)

TennisD
07-18-2005, 08:50 AM
florida, if u can play in this heat/humidity u can play anywhere in the world with ease.
Noooo, do not go to Barcelona, unless you want to be part of an assembly-line process. I went there and was sorely disapointed, as were several people I know at other academies there...

The truth is that these days you have to either find a private coach, or go to a small, high quality place...

Marius_Hancu
07-18-2005, 11:06 AM
this is definitely a very useful thread ...

I'd say go with a well-rounded coach, and sample from time to time the competition at the academies (but don't enroll permanently)

The competition in Spain and France is very well organized and the coaches are well schooled. It seems to me Spain is more open to foreign juniors presently.

In US, you'd really have to be very selective. Go to a top coach (Annacone, whatever) for advice and evaluation, even if you can't afford them on a full-time basis for the time being. They'll put you in their pipeline with some good pro coaches, which they themselves trust.

baselinebrawler
07-18-2005, 01:21 PM
Those rates are outrageous but based on thier fame from getting credit of having produced champion players. They are fortunate to get many of the best players. I know a former top ten level player that coaches in west LA, has as much or more coaching experience as both of these guys and is a better coach, IMO. Ofcourse he has not produced a world champion so his rates are only $75/hr. This guy will improve every aspect of your game and not just put you thru baseline hitting drills :)

Joe could you email the name and number of this person in West LA, I am looking for a coach for my son. Thanks.

joe sch
07-18-2005, 02:32 PM
Sure but your profile did not show your email so email me and I will pass on his contact info
joesch@woodtennis.com