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christos_liaskos
10-30-2011, 02:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZozZvcWg2TM

I was watching a wildlife program the other day and it showed a cheetah running at full speed. I was immediately struck at how still it's head was while the rest of it's body was just flayling around so fast. It's not just the legs moving but the whole body and up the neck too, with the head remaining perfectly still, at times not even moving up and down, it's as if it's totally independent from the rest of the body.

As that phrase came into mind 'wow how still is it's head', I thought straight away of tennis and how we are meant to do the same. Seems like this technique has been perfected in nature by the cheetah as it stays calm in keeping it's eye on it's pray yet at the same time it's working at a furious pace - the same fine balance in calm/speed that is needed in tennis and many sports if they are to be performed well.

(That video doesn't even show it that well, I just tried to pick one with lots of running in fairly decent quality picture and no actual killing in respect for the squeemish :D. The HD clip I saw on TV the cheetah's head was perfectly still the whole time it was running, almost like it was floating, as if completely independent to the rest of it's body. Amazing animal and amazing nature)

pound cat
10-30-2011, 02:27 PM
In Cheetah it is called Keep you Eyes on the Prey.

In tennis it's called Keep your Eyes on the Ball.


We animals all speak the same language.

Homeboy Hotel
10-30-2011, 02:30 PM
This is what everyone was thinking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhvKafCYsk

Leelord337
10-30-2011, 03:19 PM
^^^it was, i thought it was going to be the espn video of cliff drysdale commenting on how federer keeps his head still and eyes on the ball the entire time throughout the swing

christos_liaskos
10-30-2011, 03:27 PM
This is what everyone was thinking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhvKafCYsk

^^^it was, i thought it was going to be the espn video of cliff drysdale commenting on how federer keeps his head still and eyes on the ball the entire time throughout the swing

Hehe glad I fooled you both. Thought it was better to post something original, and what I also thought was actually pretty amazing, rather than a video and a subject which has been posted many times before

OddJack
10-30-2011, 03:30 PM
I knew Rodge's got a Cheetah gene

mikeler
10-30-2011, 04:08 PM
I LOVE cheetah burgers.

1970CRBase
10-30-2011, 04:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaM081sRXrk&feature=related

Fed's bh in slow motion. He keeps his gaze firmly lasered on the contact point of the ball until he has completed his follow through. Easier said than done. Incidentally, this is something Graf didn't do well on her own ohbh, always turned her head way too soon on the drive.

vernonbc
10-31-2011, 01:51 AM
I saw a picture of Nadal taken at last year's WTF (wish I had saved it) where he was running at top speed to the net. The photographer did something with his shutter speed so that all his body parts were just a blur but his head was perfectly focused as he kept it amazingly still. It was an incredible photo.

aimr75
10-31-2011, 02:36 AM
I saw a picture of Nadal taken at last year's WTF (wish I had saved it) where he was running at top speed to the net. The photographer did something with his shutter speed so that all his body parts were just a blur but his head was perfectly focused as he kept it amazingly still. It was an incredible photo.

http://cowbell.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83423e30253ef0134804331db970c-500wi

vernonbc
10-31-2011, 04:02 AM
http://cowbell.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83423e30253ef0134804331db970c-500wi
This isn't the exact one I saw but it's very similar - probably from the same photographer's set. The one I saw was more head on and you could see the determined look on Rafa's face as he went for the ball while his arms and legs were just a blur like in the Roadrunner cartoons. :) Thanks for posting this one though. It's a great pic.

pound cat
10-31-2011, 04:22 AM
This isn't the exact one I saw but it's very similar - probably from the same photographer's set. The one I saw was more head on and you could see the determined look on Rafa's face as he went for the ball while his arms and legs were just a blur like in the Roadrunner cartoons. :) Thanks for posting this one though. It's a great pic.

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/c/cheetah_running-7837.jpg


http://cowbell.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83423e30253ef0134804331db970c-500wi

thug the bunny
10-31-2011, 09:27 AM
Good analogy. Maybe this belongs on 'tips and instructions'?

Actually, all predators that pursue their prey do this - hawks, wolves, etc. The stakes are too high in the wild for them to screw up.

We have to force ourselves to do this (at least I do) though. For some reason, our brains think that they can help the ball go to the intended spot by looking there.

pound cat
10-31-2011, 03:23 PM
Good analogy. Maybe this belongs on 'tips and instructions'?

Actually, all predators that pursue their prey do this - hawks, wolves, etc. The stakes are too high in the wild for them to screw up.

We have to force ourselves to do this (at least I do) though. For some reason, our brains think that they can help the ball go to the intended spot by looking there.



Clever that brain. That's because the brain tells is what to do to get the ball to the exact place we are looking. It says Look at the Exact Spot.

Try flinging a piece of closthing into a clothes hamper. Stare at the exact spot where you want the clothing to go and and the same time throw the piece of clothing. Magic..it goes in without any planning of what sort of arm action we are going to use.

Keep practicing. It will make you mother very happy.

sureshs
10-31-2011, 03:24 PM
Clever that brain. That's because the brain tells is what to do to get the ball to the exact place we are looking. It says Look at the Exact Spot.

Try flinging a piece of closthing into a clothes hamper. Stare at the exact spot where you want the clothing to go and and the same time throw the piece of clothing. Magic..it goes in without any planning of what sort of arm action we are going to use.

Keep practicing. It will make you mother very happy.

It depends. If it was foolproof, you would not see so many pros missing free throws.

aprilfool
10-31-2011, 11:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaM081sRXrk&feature=related

Fed's bh in slow motion. He keeps his gaze firmly lasered on the contact point of the ball until he has completed his follow through. Easier said than done. Incidentally, this is something Graf didn't do well on her own ohbh, always turned her head way too soon on the drive.

Some bright spark did an analyses a few years back and claimed that he is actually looking through the rear of the string bed, as seeing the ball at the moment of impact is impossible when looking directly at it.



http://www.revolutionarytennis.com/federervisiontechnique.html

blastforehand
11-01-2011, 11:03 AM
http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/c/cheetah_running-7837.jpg


http://cowbell.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83423e30253ef0134804331db970c-500wi

I saw these photos also. In the next shots Nadal has caught the cheetah by its right rear leg, flung the poor thing over on its back, and then in the final shot Nadal has delivered the coup de grace to the cheetah's neck. Awful to see, but not unexpected.

thug the bunny
11-03-2011, 06:14 AM
Some bright spark did an analyses a few years back and claimed that he is actually looking through the rear of the string bed, as seeing the ball at the moment of impact is impossible when looking directly at it.



http://www.revolutionarytennis.com/federervisiontechnique.html

Systemic Anomaly is really into the looking at the ball through the racquet strings thing. Not sure if I buy it though. I slow the ball down with my eyes and see it hanging there, but when the swing happens it's just a blur.

SystemicAnomaly
11-03-2011, 09:05 PM
Clever that brain. That's because the brain tells is what to do to get the ball to the exact place we are looking. It says Look at the Exact Spot.

Try flinging a piece of closthing into a clothes hamper. Stare at the exact spot where you want the clothing to go and and the same time throw the piece of clothing. Magic..it goes in without any planning of what sort of arm action we are going to use...

For tennis, we need to visualize the target while swinging, not stare at it.


Systemic Anomaly is really into the looking at the ball through the racquet strings thing. Not sure if I buy it though. I slow the ball down with my eyes and see it hanging there, but when the swing happens it's just a blur.

Actually, what Federer appears to do is to look at the ball (or contact point) thru his strings. This is not an absolute must for every player tho'. The most important part of the Fed vision technique is that he keeps his eyes and his head very still for (nearly) all of his forward swing. Moving the head during the forward swing tends to screw up the swing path of the racket.

athiker
11-04-2011, 05:08 AM
Cool comparison with the Cheetah. You see the same thing with top marathoners, sprinters and even believe it or not hurdlers.

I think its huge for tennis. My number one issue is looking up too soon and taking "my eye off the ball" which goes back to a calm/still head. Taking my eye off the ball does a couple of bad things. I won't make minute adjustments until contact and I'll probably lift my shoulder when I lift my head hurting the stroke in progress.

I like one of the Tennis Channel episodes where the instructor talked about what choking was. Looking up too soon to see the future....to see the results of your shot too soon b/c you are so tight and worried about the outcome. Make the shot at hand first...one at the time...completely. Then move on to the next one.

thug the bunny
11-04-2011, 11:25 AM
I like one of the Tennis Channel episodes where the instructor talked about what choking was. Looking up too soon to see the future....to see the results of your shot too soon b/c you are so tight and worried about the outcome. Make the shot at hand first...one at the time...completely. Then move on to the next one.

+1. Very well stated. Worrying about the outcome / lack of confidence are the main reasons for looking up / picking the head up. The most common situations that elicite this are volleys, half-volleys, sitter put-aways, passing shots, and of course, just general all around sucking.

It can be a reflexive cycle. You're not hitting well, which causes more looking up, which leads to sucking more, etc...

mikeler
11-04-2011, 12:08 PM
+1. Very well stated. Worrying about the outcome / lack of confidence are the main reasons for looking up / picking the head up. The most common situations that elicite this are volleys, half-volleys, sitter put-aways, passing shots, and of course, just general all around sucking.

It can be a reflexive cycle. You're not hitting well, which causes more looking up, which leads to sucking more, etc...


I was caught in this vortex last night.