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passive_aggressive
12-10-2011, 02:51 AM
Do you think Djokovic's recent success against Nadal is due to Nadal's own demons against Djokovic, which, once exorcised, will make Nadal once again far more likely than not to win against Djokovic when they play, or has Djokovic really figured out Nadal's game?

I think the former, because everyone knows Nadal's game and has known about it for about a decade. It's not like it needs to be figured out. All he's gonna do is hit to your backhand. All day. Djokovic must have known what Nadal was going to do to him in the past, but was unable to stop it. Now he IS able to stop it because Nadal has got a mental block against him and as a result isn't executing his usually unplayable strategy as well.

Once that mental block is cleared, is Djokovic toast?

FeVer
12-10-2011, 02:54 AM
Not toast, but the rivalry will become more balanced.

kishnabe
12-10-2011, 04:14 AM
Nope....Djokovic would still own Nadal.

OddJack
12-10-2011, 04:35 AM
Beating Djoker requires variety in your game. How often do you see Nadal use a drop shot? Serve and volley? flat a FH? take a ball on the rise?
What does he have to hurt Djoker with? one of the best BH if not the best in the world and Nadal kept going back to it?

Nadal can beat Djoker like Nishi or Tipsy did, when he is hurting. Just not gonna happen otherwise.

phnx90
12-10-2011, 04:38 AM
Now he IS able to stop it because Nadal has got a mental block against him and as a result isn't executing his usually unplayable strategy as well.

Once that mental block is cleared, is Djokovic toast?

The mental block is BECAUSE Djokovic keeps beating Rafa, not the other way around. There was no mental block until this year.

Djokovic improved his groundies, his athleticism and his confidence by a tad bit and it was enough to tip the balance in Djokovic's favour (since before 2011, their matches were very close: see Madrid 2009 SF).

Rafa now needs to improve his own groundies (start hitting WW like he does in training and improve DTL BH) and his serve return, although I've noticed that it has definitely improved, at least, from the snippets I've seen of his Davis Cup matches.

Beating Djoker requires variety in your game. How often do you see Nadal use a drop shot?
Actually Rafa did use to use a lot of drop shots earlier on in his career. Makes me wonder where it went after all these years tbh.

joeri888
12-10-2011, 04:58 AM
Nadal never owned Djokovic. He JUST won every claymatch they ever played, often by small margins.

nadalwon2012
12-10-2011, 05:06 AM
They looked dead even at Miami this year (which Djokovic won in a 3rd set tie-breaker) and Indian Wells (where Nadal had his best set of 2011, the 1st set). So I'm inclined to agree that Nadal mentally became affected as the year went on. It was pretty obvious than Djokovic didn't play a great Wimbledon final, but Nadal dropped the level (despite Nadal playing at a much higher level prior to the final) so Djokovic won anyway.

passive_aggressive
12-10-2011, 05:08 AM
They looked dead even at Miami this year (which Djokovic won in a 3rd set tie-breaker) and Indian Wells (where Nadal had his best set of 2011, the 1st set). So I'm inclined to agree that Nadal mentally became affected as the year went on. It was pretty obvious than Djokovic didn't play a great Wimbledon final, but Nadal dropped the level (despite Nadal playing at a much higher level prior to the final) so Djokovic won anyway.

Haha, don't worry nadalwon, I'm pretty sure that Nadal will beat Djokovic in maybe a tight AO final, and after that, Djokovic will never beat Nadal again.

Hell, no-one will beat Nadal after that AO 2012 win (in a slam) until he retires.

nadalwon2012
12-10-2011, 05:36 AM
Haha, don't worry nadalwon, I'm pretty sure that Nadal will beat Djokovic in maybe a tight AO final, and after that, Djokovic will never beat Nadal again.

Hell, no-one will beat Nadal after that AO 2012 win (in a slam) until he retires.

At Roland Garros I'd agree, Nadal may retire with a lot more of them. At the other slams, its either Nadal or Djokovic for the next year at least. That's enough for me, considering how unhealthily Djokovic has finished 2011. Whereas back in 2009 I would have said there were a lot more than 2 players likely to win the slams. Even Murray appeared on the rise back then, and certainly Del Potro.

passive_aggressive
12-10-2011, 06:09 AM
At Roland Garros I'd agree, Nadal may retire with a lot more of them. At the other slams, its either Nadal or Djokovic for the next year at least. That's enough for me, considering how unhealthily Djokovic has finished 2011. Whereas back in 2009 I would have said there were a lot more than 2 players likely to win the slams. Even Murray appeared on the rise back then, and certainly Del Potro.

Nonsense, Djokovic is the only player on the planet that Nadal can't beat when Nadal is playing at about 65% of his best. That is across all slams, not just RG.

And Djokovic is only beating Nadal because of Nadal's mental demons against him. If Nadal gets over those demons (which he will because Djokovic is always injured nowadays), every slam he enters will automatically be his. Every other player is simply a non-issue with Nadal - he can beat all of them in his sleep. Especially Federer, who can beat everyone else except for Nadal and possibly Djokovic in his sleep.

Age also isn't a factor as if Nadal decides to fight (which he will), nothing can stop him. He can keep on winning calendar slams well into his 30's. Ending his career at 25 slams or so is not an unrealistic estimate at this point.

pame
12-10-2011, 06:18 AM
Nonsense, Djokovic is the only player on the planet that Nadal can't beat when Nadal is playing at about 65% of his best. That is across all slams, not just RG.

And Djokovic is only beating Nadal because of Nadal's mental demons against him. If Nadal gets over those demons (which he will because Djokovic is always injured nowadays), every slam he enters will automatically be his. Every other player is simply a non-issue with Nadal - he can beat all of them in his sleep. Especially Federer, who can beat everyone else except for Nadal and possibly Djokovic in his sleep.

Age also isn't a factor as if Nadal decides to fight (which he will), nothing can stop him. He can keep on winning calendar slams well into his 30's. Ending his career at 25 slams or so is not an unrealistic estimate at this point.

I'm trying to figure out whether you're a mental case or just genuinely a stand-up comic

Towser83
12-10-2011, 08:52 AM
before the US Open 2010 Djokovic owned Nadal on hardcourt (7-3) even baby Djokovic was beating Nadal on hardcourt. Nadal is gonna have to play his best tennis and Novak is gonna have to drop in form for nadal to own him on hardcourt. On clay it's possible of course, maybe grass too but grass is only a once a year matchup for them (assuming Novak is at queens and Nadal at halle)

DjokovicForTheWin
12-10-2011, 09:07 AM
Nadal will never beat Djokovic at a slam again.

Sentinel
12-10-2011, 09:20 AM
Nadal will never beat Djokovic at a slam again.
+1.

Warm Vamoses,
Señor Senti.

tusharlovesrafa
12-10-2011, 10:15 AM
Nadal will never beat Djokovic at a slam again.

"Break your leg" with this SIS..

Devilito
12-10-2011, 10:29 AM
Nadal has been able to beat Federer using the same strategy over and over like a ball machine. It’s so ingrained into his game that now it’s instinct. Djokovic has figured it out and took Nadal by surprise. Nadal has obviously not been able to adjust at all. Nadal has the skill and needs to rethink his approach to playing Djokovic. Federer is no longer the only player on tour worth a damn.

nadalwon2012
12-10-2011, 12:09 PM
Nadal will never beat Djokovic at a slam again.

+1.

Warm Vamoses,
Señor Senti.

Federer's chances of winning slams rests on Djokovic beating Nadal, basically.

Fate Archer
12-10-2011, 12:17 PM
Nadal's chances of winning slams rests on Federer beating Djokovic, basically.

Towser83
12-10-2011, 12:37 PM
Nadal's chances of winning slams rests on Federer beating Djokovic, basically.

Yes. I mean there's only ever been one season where Federer has played nadal more than once and lost all matches (2008) where he lost 4 matches. Nadal's lost 6 out of 6 to Djokovic this year and at least federer got close to winning Wimbledon in 2008. Hence, even now Federer can occasionally score a win over Nadal, it's up to Nadal to prove he can beat Djokovic.

Subventricular Zone
12-10-2011, 12:41 PM
Nadal's chances of winning slams rests on Federer beating Djokovic, basically.

Yeah, and Federer's chances of winning slams rests on someone beating Nadal, basically.

Homeboy Hotel
12-10-2011, 01:44 PM
Federer's chances of winning slams rests on Djokovic beating Nadal, basically.

I'd still count on Federer's chances at all the slams tbh. I would never shy away or hope for Nadal to be knocked out for Federer's path. More the opposite, I want to see him get a recent slam win over him.

nadalwon2012
12-10-2011, 01:58 PM
I'd still count on Federer's chances at all the slams tbh. I would never shy away or hope for Nadal to be knocked out for Federer's path. More the opposite, I want to see him get a recent slam win over him.

True that.

Mike Sams
12-10-2011, 02:03 PM
It was pretty obvious that Djokovic didn't play a great Wimbledon final, but Nadal dropped the level (despite Nadal playing at a much higher level prior to the final) so Djokovic won anyway.

:shock::shock::confused: You do realize Nadal was serving at 91% in the first set and STILL lost the set, right?

nadalwon2012
12-10-2011, 02:05 PM
:shock::shock::confused: You do realize Nadal was serving at 91% in the first set and STILL lost the set, right?

Yes and 72% overall, but that just shows how inadequate his baseline game was. Nadal only played aggressively off the ground in the 3rd set.

Mike Sams
12-10-2011, 02:15 PM
Yes and 72% overall, but that just shows how inadequate his baseline game was. Nadal only played aggressively off the ground in the 3rd set.

His game was fine. Djokovic is just all wrong for Nadal's style. Nadal cannot hit through the Djokovic defense. It's Nadal meeting Nadal basically. :lol:
Nadal would've actually had a better chance on fast grass. He would've been able to do more damage with the forehand. The slow grass gives Djokovic more time to reach Nadal's shots. Funny how it sounds but you can see how angry Nadal was getting when none of his shots were going past Djokovic.

MichaelNadal
12-10-2011, 05:45 PM
Nadal never owned Djokovic. He JUST won every claymatch they ever played, often by small margins.

He beat Novak 5 times in a row before. If he beats him again, it will be balanced I think, as Novak will come off his cloud a little, but he will never own him. Or get another long streak on him.

Clarky21
12-10-2011, 05:48 PM
He beat Novak 5 times in a row before. If he beats him again, it will be balanced I think, as Novak will come off his cloud a little, but he will never own him. Or get another long streak on him.



Nadal will never beat **** again. He's woefully inferior to him,and it's too late to do anything about it.

cc0509
12-10-2011, 05:52 PM
Nadal will never beat Djokovic at a slam again.

Never say never. I would say that if Nadal does not fix certain areas of his game(if he is even able to) and if Djokovic's form of 2011 is maintained, Nadal will likely not defeat Djokovic but in tennis who knows for sure. Things change very quickly.

MichaelNadal
12-10-2011, 06:03 PM
Nadal will never beat **** again. He's woefully inferior to him,and it's too late to do anything about it.

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Clarky21
12-10-2011, 06:21 PM
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Sorry,but the truth is the truth.

1970CRBase
12-10-2011, 06:26 PM
Nadal will never beat **** again. He's woefully inferior to him,and it's too late to do anything about it.

When I start calling Tsonga "Hercules" in 2012, will I get kicked out of TT too? :)

Tony48
12-10-2011, 06:40 PM
Djokovic has ALWAYS been tough for Nadal, even before these recent string of losses. Not much is going to change, even if Nadal does end up beating him 1 or 2 times next year.

Also, it's going to take some SUPERIOR mental toughness from Nadal to even get win. Djokovic has Nadal's mind in his back pocket right now.

Mike Sams
12-10-2011, 07:43 PM
Djokovic has ALWAYS been tough for Nadal, even before these recent string of losses. Not much is going to change, even if Nadal does end up beating him 1 or 2 times next year.

Also, it's going to take some SUPERIOR mental toughness from Nadal to even get win. Djokovic has Nadal's mind in his back pocket right now.

Yup, Djokovic was giving Nadal great matches on all surfaces but tended to fade down the stretch (Olympics 2008, Queens 2008, Hamburg 2008, Monte Carlo 2009).
Djokovic is physically and mentally stronger now.

vernonbc
12-10-2011, 09:31 PM
Yup, Djokovic was giving Nadal great matches on all surfaces but tended to fade down the stretch (Olympics 2008, Queens 2008, Hamburg 2008, Monte Carlo 2009).
Djokovic is physically and mentally stronger now.

Djokovic WAS physically and mentally stronger when he had Dr. Igor in his camp. Big drop off once the good doctor left.

vernonbc
12-10-2011, 09:45 PM
Yes. I mean there's only ever been one season where Federer has played nadal more than once and lost all matches (2008) where he lost 4 matches. Nadal's lost 6 out of 6 to Djokovic this year and at least federer got close to winning Wimbledon in 2008. Hence, even now Federer can occasionally score a win over Nadal, it's up to Nadal to prove he can beat Djokovic.

Federer lost 5 straight to Nadal (for the second time in his career). Four in 2008 and he also lost the 2009 AO. Since Wimbledon 07, other than Madrid 09, the only time Fed has scored a win over Rafa is indoors. Since Wimby 07, Rafa has won 9 times on clay, grass and hard while Roger has only won that one time, on clay, plus his 3 indoor wins. I do agree that it's up to Rafa to prove he can beat Djoker but using the record between Fed and Rafa is pretty meaningless.

cc0509
12-10-2011, 09:45 PM
Djokovic WAS physically and mentally stronger when he had Dr. Igor in his camp. Big drop off once the good doctor left.

All pure fallacy. Just wait for the AO and see.

Fate Archer
12-10-2011, 10:26 PM
Djokovic WAS physically and mentally stronger when he had Dr. Igor in his camp. Big drop off once the good doctor left.

Dr. Ivo was not on Novak's camp on the US Open, and still, Novak was the overall stronger player physically and mentally, as he has been throughout the season.

And don't even try to imply that Novak is doping. The ammount of irony that comes when a Nadal fan tries to do that is downward silly.

cork_screw
12-10-2011, 10:28 PM
"Once Nadal beats Djokovic again, will Djokovic go back to being owned by Nadal?"

I feel like with some of the writing here, you can tell the age of some of these people. I'm guessing this forum member is 13 years old.

nadalwon2012
12-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Djokovic doesn't have much to brag about in the head-to-head, as Nadal has won 5 of their 7 meetings at slams, and 16 of their 29 meetings overall. So Djokovic has more to prove than Nadal, that is for sure.

Clarky21
12-10-2011, 10:47 PM
Djokovic doesn't have much to brag about in the head-to-head, as Nadal has won 5 of their 7 meetings at slams, and 16 of their 29 meetings overall. So Djokovic has more to prove than Nadal, that is for sure.


Those stats will be reversed in Possum's favor,and at the end of both of their careers it will be lopsided in Possum's favor. That is if Nadal can even make it to **** in tournaments so he can lose to him in swift fashion.

Mike Sams
12-10-2011, 11:24 PM
Djokovic doesn't have much to brag about in the head-to-head, as Nadal has won 5 of their 7 meetings at slams, and 16 of their 29 meetings overall. So Djokovic has more to prove than Nadal, that is for sure.

Djokovic has won 9 of their last 11 meetings.

Towser83
12-10-2011, 11:25 PM
Federer lost 5 straight to Nadal (for the second time in his career). Four in 2008 and he also lost the 2009 AO. Since Wimbledon 07, other than Madrid 09, the only time Fed has scored a win over Rafa is indoors. Since Wimby 07, Rafa has won 9 times on clay, grass and hard while Roger has only won that one time, on clay, plus his 3 indoor wins. I do agree that it's up to Rafa to prove he can beat Djoker but using the record between Fed and Rafa is pretty meaningless.

I know, the point is Federer managed to get a win here and there which i didn't think would happen after the AO 2009 (even after Wimbledon 2008) I don't think Federer can only win on indoors, because the mental factor is a big player in their matchup hence I feel he could lose anywhere if he let Nadal get on topof him, and for instance at the AO 2009, it was a match that could have gone either way, Federer really paying the price for mentally falling below Nadal when holding match points in the 3rd set.

However all I'm saying is, after losing 5 in a row to nadal I thought Federer would never win again, but he proved me wrong (however rare it may be) however nadal has those questions about him. I think he'll beat Djokovic again of course but at this point he has more to prove regarding the future of his match up with Djokovic than Federer has to prove about his matchup with nadal. That may sound ridiculous to you but in 09,10 and 11 he scored a win. Nadal may or may not be able to beat Djokovic next year. I would be surprised if they played more than 2 or 3 times and he didn't win at least one. If they only play once or twice it may happen. But it's unknown whether this run will continue and for how long, whether it could be the end soon with nadal gaining the upperhand again, a Federer-Nadal situation where he will win here and there but lose most or a Hewitt - Federer situation where he has a massive losing streak. At present the Federer Nadal matchup has been closer this year than The Djokovic Nadal one, though i', not suggesting it will remain like this.

Towser83
12-10-2011, 11:31 PM
Djokovic doesn't have much to brag about in the head-to-head, as Nadal has won 5 of their 7 meetings at slams, and 16 of their 29 meetings overall. So Djokovic has more to prove than Nadal, that is for sure.

ah but that was baby Djokovic ;)

being serious though -

Hardcourt slams H2H 1-1
Grass slams H2H 1-1 (plus Djokovic retired at 1 set all so who knows how that match could have gone)

Clay slams H2H 3-0 to Nadal.

Now of course clay counts, but I don't think Djokovic should hang his head in shame that he has a losing H2H in clay slams to Nadal. maybe more meetings on HC will even it up for him, but it was crazy how many times they were not in the same half from 2007-2010 and counting - but 07,08,09 would have given an edge to Djokovic - a lot of times Djoko would have had a great shot at Nadal - I mean Murray beat him twice in HC slams as well as, Tsonga, Delpo. Djokovic was scoring many wins over Nadal on hardcourt in masters semis but he never played Nadal in a HC slam semi. 5 times he played Federer in semis when he could have been in Nadal's half and also one quarter final.

SirGounder
12-10-2011, 11:48 PM
If this new version of Djokovic is here to stay, then I don't see one owning the other. They will have many epic battles assuming Nadal gets back to form.

stringertom
12-11-2011, 12:04 AM
If this new version of Djokovic is here to stay, then I don't see one owning the other. They will have many epic battles assuming Nadal gets back to form.

That is an assumption of the highest degree. Lately, it's not just Djok on the winning side of the score. Tsonga (2x), Dodig, Murray (w/bagel), Fed (w/bagel). Winning strategies are often duplicated, as imitation is the best form of flattery. Ralph has been "figured out", much like Mike Tyson after Buster Douglas.

Born to play
12-11-2011, 03:25 AM
Yes he will

nadalwon2012
12-11-2011, 04:40 AM
Djokovic has won 9 of their last 11 meetings.


Didn't do a lot of good though did it? Since Nadal had already dominated him so thoroughly and still holds a solid lead. Nadal won their first 5 slam meetings, including a Wimbledon and US Open meeting. And now Djokovic is on his last legs, after just one year of domination.

merlinpinpin
12-11-2011, 04:48 AM
Nope, as Djokovic was *never* really owned by Nadal. He always was the better player on HC and even sometimes gave him fits on clay. The thing that gave Nadal the edge until 2010 was that he was much stronger physically. But since Djokovic decided to get the same kind of diet as the Spaniard (essentially transforming himself from maybe the weakest top-10 ever (at least as far as retirements go) to Cyborgovic 2.0 in a matter of weeks), there's really not much that Nadal can do, as Djokovic is now fitter than him as well as being tennistically superior (serious matchup issue for Nadal).

Now, of course, his level can drop for a variety of reasons (injuries, loss of confidence, etc.) and Nadal can beat him again, but I don't think the Spaniard will ever "own" him, considering how their games match up...

vive le beau jeu !
12-11-2011, 05:06 AM
Nadal will never beat **** again. He's woefully inferior to him,and it's too late to do anything about it.
may you be right. :)

aphex
12-11-2011, 05:30 AM
Djokovic WAS physically and mentally stronger when he had Dr. Igor in his camp. Big drop off once the good doctor left.

Ralph WAS physically and mentally stronger when he had Dr. Eupheniano in his camp. Big drop off once the good doctor left.

glazkovss
12-11-2011, 05:35 AM
Lol, Nadal never owned Nole.

tennis_pro
12-11-2011, 06:59 AM
Federer's chances of winning slams rests on Djokovic beating Nadal, basically.

Just as Nadal's chances of winning slams rest on Federer beating Djokovic.

All-rounder
12-11-2011, 07:09 AM
Just as Nadal's chances of winning slams rest on Federer beating Djokovic.
Nadal's chances are always greater. Since Federer always gets Djokovic in his half.

nadalwon2012
12-11-2011, 08:36 AM
It's incredible how Djokovic won 6 straight over Nadal this year and still trails 13-16 lol, and trails 2-5 in slam meetings. The way Djokovic finished 2011, Nadal will probably get some cheap wins over him early next year to push it up to 20-13.

tennis_pro
12-11-2011, 08:40 AM
It's incredible how Djokovic won 6 straight over Nadal this year and still trails 13-16 lol, and trails 2-5 in slam meetings. The way Djokovic finished 2011, Nadal will probably get some cheap wins over him early next year to push it up to 20-13.

No, most likely he will continue to get pwned because we're heading towards Djokovic's favorite part of the year.

celoft
12-11-2011, 08:44 AM
Nadal's chances are always greater. Since Federer always gets Djokovic in his half.

Which is why Federer needs to get to #2 since ITF will always put Federer in Djokovic's half. They still crave the Fedal slam finals.

Otherwise we might see Federer do the dirty deed for Nadal again next year at a slam. That is the only way Nadal will reach slam #11.

nadalwon2012
12-11-2011, 08:49 AM
Which is why Federer needs to get to #2 since ITF will always put Federer in Djokovic's half. They still crave the Fedal slam finals.

Otherwise we might see Federer do the dirty deed for Nadal again next year at a slam. That is the only way Nadal will reach slam #11.


LOL you are saying ts physically impossible for Nadal to beat Djokovic, despite Djokovic's career-long frail body. I guess the only alternative is for you to admit that Djokovic isn't indestructable, and that would mean facing that Nadal has made 6 of the last 7 slam finals and has a great chance at winning 3 slams next year if Djokovic doesn't stop him.
http://cdn1.gossipcenter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/story_header/photos/rafael-nadal-euro-champ.jpg
Djokovic is your only hope :D

celoft
12-11-2011, 08:51 AM
LOL you are saying ts physically impossible for Nadal to beat Djokovic, despite Djokovic's career-long frail body.

Look at their most recent H2H.

Djokovic has won 9 of their last 11 meetings.

nadalwon2012
12-11-2011, 08:56 AM
Look at their most recent H2H.

Djokovic has won 9 of their last 11 meetings.

Nadal won their last 2 meetings of 2010 (2010 US Open, 2010 World Tour Finals). After that Djokovic won 6 in a row. So the 6 wins this year is the only recent trend favoring Djokovic. The 9 in 11 is pointless.

tennis_pro
12-11-2011, 08:57 AM
Nadal won their last 2 meetings of 2010 (2010 US Open, 2010 World Tour Finals). After that Djokovic won 6 in a row. So the 6 wins this year is the only recent trend favoring Djokovic. The 9 in 11 is pointless.

If Djokovic wasn't exhausted from his semi, he'd also beat Nadal in the 2010 US final, also if he wasn't half-blind in the WTF RR match against Nadal, he'd win there as well. That would make it 11 losses in a row for Nadal.

Sentinel
12-11-2011, 08:59 AM
Just as Nadal's chances of winning slams rest on Federer beating Djokovic.
Touché.

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merlinpinpin
12-11-2011, 09:19 AM
Nadal won their last 2 meetings of 2010 (2010 US Open, 2010 World Tour Finals). After that Djokovic won 6 in a row. So the 6 wins this year is the only recent trend favoring Djokovic. The 9 in 11 is pointless.

Cause you think that, from Nadal's pov, a 0-6 trend is actually favorable to a 2-9 one? :confused:

nadalwon2012
12-11-2011, 09:20 AM
LOL Djokovic was exhausted? I know he improve his stamina in 2011, but he wasn't a junior in 2010....

Federer tanked 2 sets in the 2010 US Open semi, flat-out tanked, as he later admitted when he said he was thinking about Nadal during the 3rd and 4th sets. Those sets went by extremely quickly, thanks to a plethora of unforced errors from Federer. The next day, it rained and Djokovic got a full day of rest. Can't ask for any more than that at the US Open.

nadalwon2012
12-11-2011, 09:22 AM
Cause you think that, from Nadal's pov, a 0-6 trend is actually favorable to a 2-9 one? :confused:

No, I'm quoting the post that referred to 9-2 as a trend. At the end of 2010 did Djokovic have a trend going? He finished the year by losing their 2 most important meetings of 2010 :lol:

The 6-0 is a trend. The trend began in 2011, and no sooner.

Towser83
12-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Didn't do a lot of good though did it? Since Nadal had already dominated him so thoroughly and still holds a solid lead. Nadal won their first 5 slam meetings, including a Wimbledon and US Open meeting. And now Djokovic is on his last legs, after just one year of domination.

Well it did do him a lot of good didn't it? Because in beating Nadal 6 times he won 2 slams and 4 masters. His overall H2H is not relevant, especially as he's won the last 6 matches. You could say Nadal's 16-7 didn't do a lot of good because he now has a slim (not solid) 3 match lead and has has been stopped of winning 2 slams and 4 masters this year and overtaken as number one. Saying Djokovic is on his last legs is jumping the gun also. By the way how many years did Nadal dominate? :lol: won 2 slams in 2008 and then talked of knees/stomach/whatever the next year as he went titleless for 11 months, then won 3 slams in the absense of any other players playing well, and now had an almost barren year with a few titles thanks to not having to face Djokovic. Brilliant domination :lol: As for slams they're 1-1 on grass (Djokovic was injured when he lost) and 1-1 on hard (would be more to Djokovic if he actually got the break of playing Nadal in the semis even just once, instead of Federer 5 or 6 times) on clay he trails 0-3.What shame, trailing to Nadal on clay :lol:

LOL you are saying ts physically impossible for Nadal to beat Djokovic, despite Djokovic's career-long frail body. I guess the only alternative is for you to admit that Djokovic isn't indestructable, and that would mean facing that Nadal has made 6 of the last 7 slam finals and has a great chance at winning 3 slams next year if Djokovic doesn't stop him.
Djokovic is your only hope :D

How many serious injuries has Djokovic had compared to Nadal? How many times has Djokovic misses a slam compared to Nadal (0 to 4 I think) Djokovic has historically had injuries which he has retired from but most times he's been fit soon after.Nadal has had injuries that have kept him out for slams. And he's always injured every week of the year. Unless he's just exaggerating?

merlinpinpin
12-11-2011, 09:34 AM
And he's always injured every week of the year. Unless he's just exaggerating?

Do you think him and Uncle Toni are exaggerating when they're claiming that he's playing (and winning) with a broken foot or that he may be unable to walk anymore because of his feet/knees/whatever?

Wouldn't that be adding insult to, ahem, injury, so to speak? :lol:

Towser83
12-11-2011, 09:43 AM
Do you think him and Uncle Toni are exaggerating when they're claiming that he's playing (and winning) with a broken foot or that he may be unable to walk anymore because of his feet/knees/whatever?

Wouldn't that be adding insult to, ahem, injury, so to speak? :lol:

Haha well put. He has injuries but yes I believe sometimes they make more of them than is really there. There is not one tornament where he doesn't have some sort of problem, and really if you are injured every week then you should not embarrass yourself by always saying you are. There was a big buzz at wimbledon with nadal talking before even seeing back his test results, about how his foot felt broken and he might have to pull out. Then the test shows no injury. This is in contrast with the man who said only 5 months before at the AO, that he didn't want to be a player with the reputation that everytime he loses he talks about some injury or problem. So why jumpthe gun before your test results and talk about the worse case scenario? Of course the media love it "Nadal beats Delpo with broken foot, what a warrior! vamos!!!" It sometimes sems like his camp and the PR need to create this image of the wounded warrior to boost the love people have for him.

Sentinel
12-11-2011, 09:44 AM
Do you think him and Uncle Toni are exaggerating when they're claiming that he's playing (and winning) with a broken foot or that he may be unable to walk anymore because of his feet/knees/whatever?

Wouldn't that be adding insult to, ahem, injury, so to speak? :lol:
It goes to show how immensely talented the Spaniard is, unlike what the sputid ted****s pretend, that he can win 10 majors despite being injured and/or tired.

Just imagine, if Rafa wasn't injured he'd be sitting over 20 slams already.

beast of mallorca
12-11-2011, 11:38 AM
It goes to show how immensely talented the Spaniard is, unlike what the sputid ted****s pretend, that he can win 10 majors despite being injured and/or tired.

Just imagine, if Rafa wasn't injured he'd be sitting over 20 slams already.

And just imagine if Rafa wasn't around, Federer will be sitting over 20+ GS by now. That's why Rafa is just so darn "loved" by Fed fans.

aphex
12-11-2011, 11:45 AM
It goes to show how immensely talented the Spaniard is, unlike what the sputid ted****s pretend, that he can win 10 majors despite being injured and/or tired.

Just imagine, if Rafa wasn't injured he'd be sitting over 20 slams already.

http://www.nioutaik.fr/images/galerie/LMAO%20Tse%20Tung.PV__.jpg

TMF
12-11-2011, 12:04 PM
Do you think him and Uncle Toni are exaggerating when they're claiming that he's playing (and winning) with a broken foot or that he may be unable to walk anymore because of his feet/knees/whatever?


YES. Exaggeration is part of their excuse for Rafa's losses.

cc0509
12-12-2011, 12:51 AM
Haha well put. He has injuries but yes I believe sometimes they make more of them than is really there. There is not one tornament where he doesn't have some sort of problem, and really if you are injured every week then you should not embarrass yourself by always saying you are. There was a big buzz at wimbledon with nadal talking before even seeing back his test results, about how his foot felt broken and he might have to pull out. Then the test shows no injury. This is in contrast with the man who said only 5 months before at the AO, that he didn't want to be a player with the reputation that everytime he loses he talks about some injury or problem. So why jumpthe gun before your test results and talk about the worse case scenario? Of course the media love it "Nadal beats Delpo with broken foot, what a warrior! vamos!!!" It sometimes sems like his camp and the PR need to create this image of the wounded warrior to boost the love people have for him.

+1. The worst part is not that Nadal and his camp constantly use the injury card, although that is extremely annoying, it is that his blind worshippers fall for every word like a bunch of puppets.

MG1
12-12-2011, 01:44 AM
Federer's chances of winning slams rests on Djokovic beating Nadal, basically.



Only at RG

and nadal should be thankful to fed for this year RG to save his face.

merlinpinpin
12-12-2011, 01:45 AM
YES. Exaggeration is part of their excuse for Rafa's losses.

I actually agree with you and was being sarcastic here (didn't use enough smileys to convey it, though :-?). I wrote this for the pun, actually. :)

As for Nadal, yes, it seems that at times, even his injuries have injuries, and he and his camp sometimes have trouble keeping them straight (left thigh becomes right, a muscle tear becomes a sprain then a tear again, etc.), which is actually pretty embarrassing... :oops:

MG1
12-12-2011, 01:49 AM
Didn't do a lot of good though did it? Since Nadal had already dominated him so thoroughly and still holds a solid lead. Nadal won their first 5 slam meetings, including a Wimbledon and US Open meeting. And now Djokovic is on his last legs, after just one year of domination.

last legs ???

Keep dreaming ****!!

it is nadal on his last knees and they would also be distorted after this year if he continues to playing such a boring physical game with djokovic again..


Solid lead??

16-13 it is ..

be ready to see how rafa *** would be spanked by djoker 6 more times this year.

MG1
12-12-2011, 01:56 AM
+1. The worst part is not that Nadal and his camp constantly use the injury card, although that is extremely annoying, it is that his blind worshippers fall for every word like a bunch of puppets.

+1 again

Rafa quotes will always between the line .."this is not the time to talk about injury he(opponent) plays well and deserves to win but you know how i was feeling on the court "

and after some days hypocrites releases some press statement that his injury has been healed and he has working on his moonballs again(lol)!!

if he was seriously not interested to talk about injuries then why he releases press statements that injury has been healed...such a**!!

passive_aggressive
12-12-2011, 03:18 AM
Let us not forget that Djokovic is still Nadal's pigeon in terms of h2h and that, in terms of the history of the game, Djokovic is still a flash in the pan compared to Nadal.

Djoker had one good season and his body seems broken. Nadal has had several good seasons and his is holding up.

I think 3 slams is the very least that we should expect of Nadal in 2012. Remember that Djokovic is Nadal's one and ONLY threat in any grand slam, and he is in very bad shape at the moment.

We know that in every single slam semifinal till the end of time Djokovic will be drawn with Federer and Nadal with Murray. Djokovic will be very tired from an epic with Federer, whereas Nadal will very easily roll over Murray/whoever likely beats Murray, and will be fresh as a daisy for the final. This makes him even more likely to rack up the GS wins.

FlashFlare11
12-12-2011, 11:18 AM
Let us not forget that Djokovic is still Nadal's pigeon in terms of h2h and that, in terms of the history of the game, Djokovic is still a flash in the pan compared to Nadal.

Djoker had one good season and his body seems broken. Nadal has had several good seasons and his is holding up.

I think 3 slams is the very least that we should expect of Nadal in 2012. Remember that Djokovic is Nadal's one and ONLY threat in any grand slam, and he is in very bad shape at the moment.

We know that in every single slam semifinal till the end of time Djokovic will be drawn with Federer and Nadal with Murray. Djokovic will be very tired from an epic with Federer, whereas Nadal will very easily roll over Murray/whoever likely beats Murray, and will be fresh as a daisy for the final. This makes him even more likely to rack up the GS wins.

Pigeon? 0-6?

Djokovic may have had one good season so far, but in comparison, Nadal only had two. And in only one of the two did he even somewhat come close to what Djokovic did in 2011.

3 slams the very least? Nadal winning three slams a year isn't the norm, as you make it sound. It's happened only once. What reason is there to expect him to do it again?

Your last point suggests that you missed the US Open this year.

Towser83
12-12-2011, 11:54 AM
+1. The worst part is not that Nadal and his camp constantly use the injury card, although that is extremely annoying, it is that his blind worshippers fall for every word like a bunch of puppets.

Yeah, I mean you have angry *******s that call Djokovic out for faking, using injury for excuse because he had back and shoulder problems at Cinci, Us Open, Davis cup and Paris, but will lap up every new excuse Nadal has. I mean Djokovic gets injured at Cinci only has a week off for US Open, struggles in the final there, then a few days off and has problems in Davis Cup - so no surprise and comes back for Paris too soon. But Nadal takes time off and then he has a shoulder problem. So playing a lot equals no poblem, taking time off equals a problem. This year Nadal has had -

Fever, hamstring, "broken" foot, burnt fingers, food poisoning, shoulder problems - maybe more. But everyone is genuine and Djokovic playing on a bad back and shoulder is of course not haha. Some *******s are so stupid they even simultaneously claim that Djokovic is weak and frail but cannot really ever be injured. Of course I'm talking *******s, not Nadal fans.



Let us not forget that Djokovic is still Nadal's pigeon in terms of h2h and that, in terms of the history of the game, Djokovic is still a flash in the pan compared to Nadal.

Djoker had one good season and his body seems broken. Nadal has had several good seasons and his is holding up.

I think 3 slams is the very least that we should expect of Nadal in 2012. Remember that Djokovic is Nadal's one and ONLY threat in any grand slam, and he is in very bad shape at the moment.

We know that in every single slam semifinal till the end of time Djokovic will be drawn with Federer and Nadal with Murray. Djokovic will be very tired from an epic with Federer, whereas Nadal will very easily roll over Murray/whoever likely beats Murray, and will be fresh as a daisy for the final. This makes him even more likely to rack up the GS wins.

I'm 95% sure you are trolling, but in case not -13-16 is not being a pigeon. Being 0-6 is though. Get a clue please. How many good seasons has Nadal had? 2 at most. And he's seemed broken many times. If it wasn't for him seeming broken at the end of 2009 you *******s couldn't claim he did the incredible in 2010 by coming back from being dead etc. You are right that if the competition is as poor as it was in 2010 Nadal can win multiple slams, but for a guy who gets injured every few days, I wouldn't bank on at least 3 slams.

cc0509
12-12-2011, 08:53 PM
+1 again

Rafa quotes will always between the line .."this is not the time to talk about injury he(opponent) plays well and deserves to win but you know how i was feeling on the court "

and after some days hypocrites releases some press statement that his injury has been healed and he has working on his moonballs again(lol)!!

if he was seriously not interested to talk about injuries then why he releases press statements that injury has been healed...such a**!!

It is hard to fathom how fans cannot see this whole ruse.

cc0509
12-12-2011, 08:55 PM
Yeah, I mean you have angry *******s that call Djokovic out for faking, using injury for excuse because he had back and shoulder problems at Cinci, Us Open, Davis cup and Paris, but will lap up every new excuse Nadal has. I mean Djokovic gets injured at Cinci only has a week off for US Open, struggles in the final there, then a few days off and has problems in Davis Cup - so no surprise and comes back for Paris too soon. But Nadal takes time off and then he has a shoulder problem. So playing a lot equals no poblem, taking time off equals a problem. This year Nadal has had -

Definitely a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Hitman
12-13-2011, 02:48 AM
Djokovic just somehow gets up and highly motivated when he plays Nadal. Its as if, no matter what kind of state he is in leading up to that match, when he gets Nadal on the other side, he just can't do no wrong.

In Madrid, Novak was feeling the effects in the quarters and semis, both draining, yet he beats Nadal in straights. In Rome, again, looked a little fatigued, almost out against Murray, yet the next day beats Nadal in straights again.

Wimbledon, struggled more than Rafa to get to the final, but when he got there, despite Nadal having an incredible showing on serve, he takes the first two sets 6-4, 6-1, and to be honest I did not think Novak was anywhere near as good as he was at the start of the year.

USO showed me something, he went the distance again with Roger, was serving with a bad back, but still beat Rafa convincingly in the end.

He just seems to find that extra gear almost instantly when he knows Rafa is playing him, and sometimes just needs to play well enough to beat him. While Rafa looks like he needs to redline his game from start to finish to get through.

Rafa can sure win some more matches, but I think Novak will be taking Nadal's scalp a few more times yet.