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CMM
12-13-2011, 12:37 AM
Mental strength, tolerance of suffering, and passion - Rafael Nadal feels all that was missing from his game in 2011, and he wants to recover it in three weeks, when the 2012 season begins.

"I am looking forward to rising above the past few months, which were not positive," the Spanish tennis player said in an interview with dpa.

"I have lacked a bit more passion for the game, intensity in my strokes, strength in my legs and mental strength. But the most important thing that is missing is mental strength, which makes all the rest possible."

Unlike some other elite athletes, Nadal feels no need for a psychologist.

"I have never used one and I'm not planning to use one. I obviously respect the work of psychologists, but not for playing tennis."

This year was a strange one for Nadal. He played 10 finals, but lost seven, six of them to Serbian Novak Djokovic, something that had never happened to him with any other player in a single year.

However, the world No 2 says his motivation for 2012 is not based on trying to get even with Djokovic, on trying to win Olympic gold in Wimbledon or on reconquering the No 1 ranking.

"This will be a year for bettering myself internally. Not for beating Djokovic or anything like that. It is a question of going beyond myself personally, all the rest is secondary. The problem is internal, it is about personally wanting to take a step further, again."

It seemed this year as if Nadal was drained of energy, perhaps victim of an ambition and a pressure which no human can overcome.

"Nothing is enough, is it? Nothing is enough, not for the others, but for oneself. One's demands on oneself surpass even one's own reality," admits the six-times Roland Garros champion, who rejects the theory of German former tennis player Boris Becker.

The three-times Wimbledon champion believes Nadal played in 2011 tactically well until the finals, but then made the error of using his forehand against Djokovic's backhand, the Serbian's best stroke.

"That is too simple. I think it is not like that. I have not been up to it sometimes this year, and against him, I have not played at the level at which I played at other times, that is the reality."

At 25, Nadal has been a tennis professional for almost a decade. But he plans to play several seasons more. "I trust that I still have years left."

The Spaniard has recurrent problems with his knee and foot, but he downplays them. "Over the last seven years, it has often been said that I had injuries, or whatever. It is true I have obviously had physical problems, but if I had had some serious physical problem, I could not have been among the top two players in the world for the last seven years."

Despite his intense rivalry with Federer, Nadal has a notably good relationship with the Swiss player. "I am fond of him," the Spaniard says, without abandoning his dream of one day playing a doubles tournament with Federer.

"I think it will happen one day, but obviously, time passes."

In addition to being rivals on the tennis court, Nadal and Federer disagree about the future of tennis, including the choice of Adam Helfant's successor at the ATP.

Federer chairs the players' council, with Nadal as vice-president. They did not discuss their disagreements in public until the London Masters, when the Swiss player expressed views that differed from Nadal's.

Before the Spaniard flew to Seville for Davis Cup finals against Argentina, the two met to speak about their disagreements concerning the ranking system and complaints about extending the season, which prompted some players - including Nadal - to propose a boycott at the recent US Open.

"He has his ideas as the council president, I as the vice-president have other ideas, obviously. It is not that my or his ideas are bad. We need to justify them. Why one does not like the two-year ranking and why one does, why one does not want to stage a boycott...And I don't want to, either, there will not be any kind of a boycott, at least now it is very far away."

On a different note, Rafael Nadal also says he feels "ashamed" of having a bodyguard in public places.

"It is true that sometimes, it is necessary to be accompanied by people who protect you, but it is nevertheless exaggerated and makes me feel embarrassed."

http://www.supersport.com/tennis/atp/news/111213/Nadal_determined_to_recover_mental_strength

Nathaniel_Near
12-13-2011, 12:44 AM
Great interview!


"This will be a year for bettering myself internally. Not for beating Djokovic or anything like that. It is a question of going beyond myself personally, all the rest is secondary. The problem is internal, it is about personally wanting to take a step further, again."

This line stands out to me.

tusharlovesrafa
12-13-2011, 01:00 AM
Great interview indeed...

Lsmkenpo
12-13-2011, 01:06 AM
Nadal is naive, firstly regarding his tactics against Djokovic, Boris Becker is spot on, Nadal kept getting killed going to Djokovic's backhand far too much. This was evident in their first few meetings of the seasons, not seeing it as a tactical flaw at that time is why he never changed and lost every match against him last year. I wonder how many matches he needs to lose to finally believe Djokovic's backhand is now up to the challenge of Nadal's short overspun forehand strokes. Mental toughness doesn't do squat when djokovic is blasting BH winners crosscourt.

Secondly Nadal is clueless when it comes to the business of tennis, Federer knows better. Nadal frequently speaks out about things the company that represents himself and also Federer(IMG) is controlling, apparently unbeknownst to him. That is why they hired Carlos Costa to handle and manipulate him to keep him from screwing up their business and shooting himself in the foot. You notice how often Nadal says something stupid and than nothing more is heard about it and he goes on to makes decisions that don't correspond with his opinions of the tour.

Hitman
12-13-2011, 01:42 AM
Getting bludgeoned repeatedly by Djokovic's backhands would be enough to drain anyone mental strength. Nadal was a prime example of getting burned by that weapon, and his mental strength got burned also.

passive_aggressive
12-13-2011, 01:46 AM
Nadal is naive, firstly regarding his tactics against Djokovic, Boris Becker is spot on, Nadal kept getting killed going to Djokovic's backhand far too much. This was evident in their first few meetings of the seasons, not seeing it as a tactical flaw at that time is why he never changed and lost every match against him last year. I wonder how many matches he needs to lose to finally believe Djokovic's backhand is now up to the challenge of Nadal's short overspun forehand strokes. Mental toughness doesn't do squat when djokovic is blasting BH winners crosscourt.

Secondly Nadal is clueless when it comes to the business of tennis, Federer knows better. Nadal frequently speaks out about things the company that represents himself and also Federer(IMG) is controlling, apparently unbeknownst to him. That is why they hired Carlos Costa to handle and manipulate him to keep him from screwing up their business and shooting himself in the foot. You notice how often Nadal says something stupid and than nothing more is heard about it and he goes on to makes decisions that don't correspond with his opinions of the tour.

Lol, Nadal should keep using his lefty spin to the backhand. He should change the tactic just cuz he's facing Djokovic!? Lol, no.

Just hit more topspin. The backhand WILL break down.

Tennis is not a thinking-man's game - Nadal needs no change in tactics, just needs to hit more spin.

Sentinel
12-13-2011, 01:51 AM
Great interview indeed...

aphex
12-13-2011, 01:58 AM
Nadal is naive, firstly regarding his tactics against Djokovic, Boris Becker is spot on, Nadal kept getting killed going to Djokovic's backhand far too much. This was evident in their first few meetings of the seasons, not seeing it as a tactical flaw at that time is why he never changed and lost every match against him last year. I wonder how many matches he needs to lose to finally believe Djokovic's backhand is now up to the challenge of Nadal's short overspun forehand strokes. Mental toughness doesn't do squat when djokovic is blasting BH winners crosscourt.

Secondly Nadal is clueless when it comes to the business of tennis, Federer knows better. Nadal frequently speaks out about things the company that represents himself and also Federer(IMG) is controlling, apparently unbeknownst to him. That is why they hired Carlos Costa to handle and manipulate him to keep him from screwing up their business and shooting himself in the foot. You notice how often Nadal says something stupid and than nothing more is heard about it and he goes on to makes decisions that don't correspond with his opinions of the tour.

Fortunately there's no tactic, no gameplan, no strategy Ralph can use to beat Djokovic. Djokovic 2.0 is simply an intrinsically superior player.

MichaelNadal
12-13-2011, 02:20 AM
Eye of the tiger Rafa, how bad do you WANT IT again? He basically says in the interview he lost it, and needs to see if he can go to that place again.
http://i2.listal.com/image/1214764/500full.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/227/825/rivaryhamburg2008a_display_image.jpg?1274049153

Hitman
12-13-2011, 02:34 AM
Eye of the tiger Rafa, how bad do you WANT IT again? He basically says in the interview he lost it, and needs to see if he can go to that place again.
http://i2.listal.com/image/1214764/500full.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/227/825/rivaryhamburg2008a_display_image.jpg?1274049153

Stallone was extremely ripped in Rocky III. He was also very light, because he wanted Thunderlips to look like a monster. He said the perfect weight was Rocky IV, he was fuller and looked more muscular.

zagor
12-13-2011, 03:14 AM
Majestic interview...

MariaRafael
12-13-2011, 03:50 AM
Most probably Djokovic is done. His frail body couldn't bear the strain and stress of 1 year of success. Next year he'll have to defend all his points which will break his poor nerves to bits and pieces.

Nadal has been at the top for 7 years. Djokovic - for 1 year. ANd the age difference is less than a year. Sapienti sat.

OddJack
12-13-2011, 04:01 AM
He's dreaming buddy.

We will know at RG 2012

aphex
12-13-2011, 04:02 AM
Most probably Djokovic is done. His frail body couldn't bear the strain and stress of 1 year of success. Next year he'll have to defend all his points which will break his poor nerves to bits and pieces.

Nadal has been at the top for 7 years. Djokovic - for 1 year. ANd the age difference is less than a year. Sapienti sat.

Nope, sorry. Ralph has been a mere 2 years at the top.
1 year more than djoko.

reversef
12-13-2011, 04:08 AM
Wonderful interview. I just hope that he can find IT again. Nadal without his passion and his mental strength is not Nadal anymore. And that's unfortunately what we have seen all year.

BeHappy
12-13-2011, 04:21 AM
The three-times Wimbledon champion (Boris Becker) believes Nadal played in 2011 tactically well until the finals, but then made the error of using his forehand against Djokovic's backhand, the Serbian's best stroke.

"That is too simple. I think it is not like


It is that simple. I made that point myself a few months ago after the Wimbledon final. Nadal himself says to John McEnroe here that his tactics against Djokovic are to hit high to the backhand:

OddJack
12-13-2011, 04:24 AM
It is that simple. I made that point myself a few months ago after the Wimbledon final. Nadal himself says to John McEnroe here that his tactics against Djokovic are to hit high to the backhand:

Whats his tactics against everybody else?

You thought you made a point!

Nathaniel_Near
12-13-2011, 04:28 AM
Nadal will win at least 1 Major next year, I really think so but then again that's not much of a prediction, is it.

Sentinel
12-13-2011, 04:30 AM
Reading that majestic interview has helped me recover my mental strength. I feel pumped up. Breakpoint watch out.

rafan
12-13-2011, 04:33 AM
http://www.supersport.com/tennis/atp/news/111213/Nadal_determined_to_recover_mental_strength

If there is anything in this statement that I would question it is the problem with his knees. I don't think that Rafa could keep going the same as in 2008 winning as much as he did without a break beforehand. I think his knees must be more of a problem than he will admit and he will come back next year, the Olympic year, and we will see the old Rafa. Up until now he has been winning one year putting the breaks on the next year. Its becoming a sort of pattern. Anyway until we see what happens next year nobody can predict what will happen. Thank God he isn't retiring and at least is having a go at getting some of the passion back we saw in the Davis cup

BeHappy
12-13-2011, 05:09 AM
Whats his tactics against everybody else?

You thought you made a point!

He said in the interview that Boris Becker is wrong, he doesn't just hit to the backhand. He said in an interview with McEnroe after the USO 2010 (It's been taken down now) that his tactic against Djokovic is to hit the ball high to his backhand and wait for a short ball.

Fate Archer
12-13-2011, 05:18 AM
He said in the interview that Boris Becker is wrong, he doesn't just hit to the backhand. He said in an interview with McEnroe after the USO 2010 (It's been taken down now) that his tactic against Djokovic is to hit the ball high to his backhand and wait for a short ball.

That won't happen as much as he would like to give him any edge in the matchup against the improved Novak.

What I've seen in multiple Rafa interviews on the other hand is that he himself admits that there is no very defined, "bread and butter" strategy when playing Novak.

And that's why he's such a tough matchup against Rafa now. It's more about how he neutralizes Rafa's strenghts and plays his own mostly unbothered.

DjokovicForTheWin
12-13-2011, 05:25 AM
This is a joke. I can't believe people can't see thru the crap. Perhaps even he can't. The bottom line is this - HAD he not lost all of those matches to Djoker, there would be no question of mental strength, passion in his strokes only when he faced Djoker, etc, etc. All of these excuses arise precisely because he lost to Djoker. So what he says about in 2011 him generally lacking mental strength is a total farce and him changing these things for his general well being is a total lie. Everything is about beating Djoker now. He is blinded if he does not really see this deep down within him.

Nadal will be in for a rude awakening in 2012 when it finally dawns upon him that it had nothing to do with passion in 2011 and going beyond himself next year. Djoker was simply better than Nadal at his best, and that of course would naturally yet falsely make one question one's passion. Do you think other players questioned their passion for losing to Djoker? No, Djoker is simply better than them, they accept it. This whole response it simply due to Nadal's non-acceptance of the facts yet. Hence the upcoming rude awakening.

BeHappy
12-13-2011, 05:35 AM
That won't happen as much as he would like to give him any edge in the matchup against the improved Novak.


He never gets the short ball against Djokovic, that's the problem. For most players the high backhand is their worst shot and achilles heel, for Djokovic it's arguably the strongest shot in tennis. Nadal is setting Djokovic's backhand up and Djokovic is teeing off.

He needs to snap out of this passive mindset (waiting for an opportunity to attack), and shift into aggressive baseliner mode, as he did in the third set of the USO, because the opportunity to attack won't be handed to him on a silver platter.

Look at the players who have bagelled Nadal and you have a list of the best backhands in tennis: Gaudio (Stuttgart 2005), Nalbandian (2007), Youzhny (Chennai) - and now Djokovic. (Davydenko has a winning record against him as well).

Mustard
12-13-2011, 05:43 AM
Gaudio (Stuttgart 2005)

Nadal won the 2005 Stuttgart final against Gaudio by the score of 6-3, 6-3, 6-4. Gaudio bagelled Nadal earlier that year in Buenos Aires, winning 0-6, 6-0, 6-1 in their quarter final. It must be mentioned, however, that Gaudio was ranked 40 places above Nadal in the world rankings (8 vs. 48 ) at the time of their 2005 Buenos Aires match.

passive_aggressive
12-13-2011, 05:44 AM
He never gets the short ball against Djokovic, that's the problem. For most players the high backhand is their worst shot and achilles heel, for Djokovic it's arguably the strongest shot in tennis. Nadal is setting Djokovic's backhand up and Djokovic is teeing off.

He needs to snap out of this passive mindset (waiting for an opportunity to attack), and shift into aggressive baseliner mode, as he did in the third set of the USO, because the opportunity to attack won't be handed to him on a silver platter.

Look at the players who have bagelled Nadal and you have a list of the best backhands in tennis: Gaudio (Stuttgart 2005), Nalbandian (2007), Youzhny (Chennai) - and now Djokovic. (Davydenko has a winning record against him as well).

Lol, wot, Youzhny has a 1hbh. And a conservative grip (no extreme eastern) on that 1hbh as well, so they must have been playing on ice or something for that to happen.

Nadal does not need to adjust his tactics to beat Djokovic. That would be giving Djokovic far too much credit.

Nadal has a winning strategy (high to the backhand, wait for short ball, then pounce) and he should not alter it for ANYONE. Just hit higher and harder and more spin to Djokovic's backhand. It will break down - of course it will. Especially now Djoker is injured. Don't overcomplicate things - just execute better.

SLD76
12-13-2011, 05:48 AM
If there is anything in this statement that I would question it is the problem with his knees. I don't think that Rafa could keep going the same as in 2008 winning as much as he did without a break beforehand. I think his knees must be more of a problem than he will admit and he will come back next year, the Olympic year, and we will see the old Rafa. Up until now he has been winning one year putting the breaks on the next year. Its becoming a sort of pattern. Anyway until we see what happens next year nobody can predict what will happen. Thank God he isn't retiring and at least is having a go at getting some of the passion back we saw in the Davis cup

thats the dumbest post of the day. Rafa didnt put on the 'breaks' this year. if not for Djoker he'd have had one of the best seasons of all time, with all the finals and tournaments he'd have made and won.


dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

BeHappy
12-13-2011, 05:56 AM
Lol, wot, Youzhny has a 1hbh. And a conservative grip (no extreme eastern) on that 1hbh as well, so they must have been playing on ice or something for that to happen.

Nadal does not need to adjust his tactics to beat Djokovic. That would be giving Djokovic far too much credit.

Nadal has a winning strategy (high to the backhand, wait for short ball, then pounce) and he should not alter it for ANYONE. Just hit higher and harder and more spin to Djokovic's backhand. It will break down - of course it will. Especially now Djoker is injured. Don't overcomplicate things - just execute better.

You obviously haven't been watching tennis long, Youzhny has one of the best backhands in the game. Lots of players with conservative gripped one handed backhands have no problem with the high ball, not least Almagro for example. Or James Blake.

He was destroying Nadal in the quarter final of Wimbledon too, until he hurt his back. He has never recovered from that injury.

BeHappy
12-13-2011, 05:58 AM
Nadal won the 2005 Stuttgart final against Gaudio by the score of 6-3, 6-3, 6-4. Gaudio bagelled Nadal earlier that year in Buenos Aires, winning 0-6, 6-0, 6-1 in their quarter final. It must be mentioned, however, that Gaudio was ranked 40 places above Nadal in the world rankings (8 vs. 48 ) at the time of their 2005 Buenos Aires match.

Nadal was as good as he ever was in 2005. By the end of clay court season his ranking was very good indeed. His game on clay has actually declined since then (well since 2008 ), although the adjustments he has made have made him a better all surface player.

Gaudio was just an incredible claycourter,defending French Open champion, he went 42-8 or something ridiculous in 2005.

I think Keurten would have been a HUGE problem for Nadal on clay with his backhand.

Sentinel
12-13-2011, 06:06 AM
This is a joke. I can't believe people can't see thru the crap. Perhaps even he can't. The bottom line is this - HAD he not lost all of those matches to Djoker, there would be no question of mental strength, passion in his strokes only when he faced Djoker, etc, etc. All of these excuses arise precisely because he lost to Djoker. So what he says about in 2011 him generally lacking mental strength is a total farce and him changing these things for his general well being is a total lie. Everything is about beating Djoker now. He is blinded if he does not really see this deep down within him.

Nadal will be in for a rude awakening in 2012 when it finally dawns upon him that it had nothing to do with passion in 2011 and going beyond himself next year. Djoker was simply better than Nadal at his best, and that of course would naturally yet falsely make one question one's passion. Do you think other players questioned their passion for losing to Djoker? No, Djoker is simply better than them, they accept it. This whole response it simply due to Nadal's non-acceptance of the facts yet. Hence the upcoming rude awakening.

No no DFTW, you are reacting based on a poor translation of what the nadal said in Spanish.

Nadal actually said that he lost the illusion in 2011, and he is determined to get back the illusion in 2012.

mandy01
12-13-2011, 06:41 AM
Reading that majestic interview has helped me recover my mental strength. I feel pumped up. Breakpoint watch out.
You have clearly not faced Breakpoint 2.0 yet.

beast of mallorca
12-13-2011, 07:58 AM
This is a joke. I can't believe people can't see thru the crap. Perhaps even he can't. The bottom line is this - HAD he not lost all of those matches to Djoker, there would be no question of mental strength, passion in his strokes only when he faced Djoker, etc, etc. All of these excuses arise precisely because he lost to Djoker. So what he says about in 2011 him generally lacking mental strength is a total farce and him changing these things for his general well being is a total lie. Everything is about beating Djoker now. He is blinded if he does not really see this deep down within him.

Nadal will be in for a rude awakening in 2012 when it finally dawns upon him that it had nothing to do with passion in 2011 and going beyond himself next year. Djoker was simply better than Nadal at his best, and that of course would naturally yet falsely make one question one's passion. Do you think other players questioned their passion for losing to Djoker? No, Djoker is simply better than them, they accept it. This whole response it simply due to Nadal's non-acceptance of the facts yet. Hence the upcoming rude awakening.

Whatever did he do to get the B ?

Crisstti
12-13-2011, 08:03 AM
Amazing interview. Thanks for posting :).

I don't see where has he said why he wants the two year ranking system though. If he has I've not seen it...

If there is anything in this statement that I would question it is the problem with his knees. I don't think that Rafa could keep going the same as in 2008 winning as much as he did without a break beforehand. I think his knees must be more of a problem than he will admit and he will come back next year, the Olympic year, and we will see the old Rafa. Up until now he has been winning one year putting the breaks on the next year. Its becoming a sort of pattern. Anyway until we see what happens next year nobody can predict what will happen. Thank God he isn't retiring and at least is having a go at getting some of the passion back we saw in the Davis cup

Couldn't agree more :)

fed_rulz
12-13-2011, 08:06 AM
"That is too simple. I think it is not like that. I have not been up to it sometimes this year, and against him, I have not played at the level at which I played at other times, that is the reality."


way to give credit to Djoker. hey ********s (TheTruth, vernoq, etc.) who constantly keep harping on the "sour loser" Federer, what do you have to say for this?

Sentinel
12-13-2011, 08:13 AM
You have clearly not faced Breakpoint 2.0 yet.
Do you mean he's injured, or very tired.

I haven't seen him for some time. Will he come back guns blazing in mid-Jan. I'm ready for him, I never take rest. Always in peak-prime shape am I.

Crisstti
12-13-2011, 08:19 AM
way to give credit to Djoker. hey ********s (TheTruth, vernoq, etc.) who constantly keep harping on the "sour loser" Federer, what do you have to say for this?

Well, I was waiting for someone to come up with that...

Mike Sams
12-13-2011, 08:33 AM
"That is too simple. I think it is not like that. I have not been up to it sometimes this year, and against him, I have not played at the level at which I played at other times, that is the reality."

Nor did Djokovic play you at the level in the past which he was capable of either, Rafa! :lol:
Nadal was losing to baby Djokovic all the way back to 2007. Djokovic always had the game to crush Nadal but never the mental strength.

dudeski
12-13-2011, 08:47 AM
This is a joke. I can't believe people can't see thru the crap. Perhaps even he can't. The bottom line is this - HAD he not lost all of those matches to Djoker, there would be no question of mental strength, passion in his strokes only when he faced Djoker, etc, etc. All of these excuses arise precisely because he lost to Djoker. So what he says about in 2011 him generally lacking mental strength is a total farce and him changing these things for his general well being is a total lie. Everything is about beating Djoker now. He is blinded if he does not really see this deep down within him.

Nadal will be in for a rude awakening in 2012 when it finally dawns upon him that it had nothing to do with passion in 2011 and going beyond himself next year. Djoker was simply better than Nadal at his best, and that of course would naturally yet falsely make one question one's passion. Do you think other players questioned their passion for losing to Djoker? No, Djoker is simply better than them, they accept it. This whole response it simply due to Nadal's non-acceptance of the facts yet. Hence the upcoming rude awakening.

Great post. I hope you didn't get banned for long. I guess the truth hurts and someone couldn't handle it.

TTMR
12-13-2011, 08:53 AM
Great post. I hope you didn't get banned for long. I guess the truth hurts and someone couldn't handle it.

Indeed. As we all know, everything Nadal does or says is wrong. He is the worst person in the history of the human race. In fact, he is subhuman, so he can't even be included among the typical 'worst man in history' lists with usual suspects Stalin, Hitler and Djokovic.

dudeski
12-13-2011, 09:25 AM
Indeed. As we all know, everything Nadal does or says is wrong. He is the worst person in the history of the human race. In fact, he is subhuman, so he can't even be included among the typical 'worst man in history' lists with usual suspects Stalin, Hitler and Djokovic.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/22/129164542490314592.jpg

TTMR
12-13-2011, 09:47 AM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/22/129164542490314592.jpg

My skills would be greatly improved if only I possessed the treasured ability to copy and paste jpeg witticisms from google images.

AhmedD
12-13-2011, 09:47 AM
Lol, Nadal should keep using his lefty spin to the backhand. He should change the tactic just cuz he's facing Djokovic!? Lol, no.

Just hit more topspin. The backhand WILL break down.

Tennis is not a thinking-man's game - Nadal needs no change in tactics, just needs to hit more spin.

Boris Becker, and probably most of the people that play tennis will disagree, tennis is a thinking man's game. Why do you think Federer was able to dominate for extended periods of time, same goes for Djokovic dominating the season with an iron fist. Murray also is a great tactitian. You'll see all the top 4 being great tennis tacticians, including Nadal to some extent, as he is capable of changing it up and employing successful tactics. However the thing about Nadal is that his topspin is enough to overwhelm most of the backhands on tour, except save for maybe Djokovic and Murray, so he never needed to change it up that much, but I still think he's capable, he's a very smart player instinctively.

Regarding your second statement, I don't think it's possible at this point, on the contrary, I believe if he really wants to draw a weak response from Djokovic's backhand he has to flatten it out. He already has so much on it, and ever if he manages to get his forehands deep enough, Djokovic still manages somehow. The flattened forehand is the way to go, since it would draw somewhat of weak response from Djokovic and give Rafa more options from the offensive standpoint. He could possibly overwhelm Dojokvic's forehand, since it generally breaks down to pressure more so than the backhand. I've noticed that if Rafa can manage to work his forehand down the line after opening the court with the cross court forehand, he generally is able to dictate play. His inside out forehand wasn't there since he FO, which is a shot he'll probably need against Djokovic's to hook him out of the court.

rafan
12-13-2011, 09:54 AM
thats the dumbest post of the day. Rafa didnt put on the 'breaks' this year. if not for Djoker he'd have had one of the best seasons of all time, with all the finals and tournaments he'd have made and won.


dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

If you can't present an intelligent argument why bother to contribute?

SLD76
12-13-2011, 10:01 AM
If you can't present an intelligent argument why bother to contribute?

I did present the argument. The man made 5 or 6 finals in a row, all at Master series events, he made the finals of 3 slams.

If not for Djoker he'd have won the most masters in a single season and won 3 slams in a year twice in a row.

How the hell is that a season where he 'puts on the breaks'?

get it now???

Thus, your post was just stupid. This year was nothing like 09 where he physically collapsed after an extended stretch of great play in 08. This year he was great again, just not good enough to beat djoker.

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 10:10 AM
I think that once your passion and desire to win is gone it's gone,and there's no getting it back. It's been very noticable all year long that Nadal is burned out,and looks like he would rather be anywhere else but on a tennis court. Next year is going to be even worse since he still seems miserable and sounds as if he hates tennis. Pulling a Borg might be the smartest thing for him to do at this point before things spiral completely down the sh*tter.

SLD76
12-13-2011, 10:14 AM
I think that once your passion and desire to win is gone it's gone,and there's no getting it back. It's been very noticable all year long that Nadal is burned out,and looks like he would rather be anywhere else but on a tennis court. Next year is going to be even worse since he still seems miserable and sounds as if he hates tennis. Pulling a Borg might be the smartest thing for him to do at this point before things spiral completely down the sh*tter.

lets go get a beer.

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 10:25 AM
lets go get a beer.


You buying? Lol.

Crisstti
12-13-2011, 06:22 PM
He said in the interview that Boris Becker is wrong, he doesn't just hit to the backhand. He said in an interview with McEnroe after the USO 2010 (It's been taken down now) that his tactic against Djokovic is to hit the ball high to his backhand and wait for a short ball.

I thought maybe he meant that that isn't what needs to be changed in his tactic, not that he doesn't do it?.

"That is too simple. I think it is not like that. I have not been up to it sometimes this year, and against him, I have not played at the level at which I played at other times, that is the reality."

Nor did Djokovic play you at the level in the past which he was capable of either, Rafa! :lol:
Nadal was losing to baby Djokovic all the way back to 2007. Djokovic always had the game to crush Nadal but never the mental strength.

Have you missed all the times Rafa has said how well Novak is playing?.

Have you thought that maybe Novak playing better than before and Rafa not playing as well as before could co-exist?.

_maxi
12-13-2011, 06:25 PM
If it wasn't by Djokovic, Nadal would've won 3 slams and 6 more titles. And 2011 would have been his best year ever. So this "mental strength" garbage is only logical for nadal *****.

cc0509
12-13-2011, 06:31 PM
I think that once your passion and desire to win is gone it's gone,and there's no getting it back. It's been very noticable all year long that Nadal is burned out,and looks like he would rather be anywhere else but on a tennis court. Next year is going to be even worse since he still seems miserable and sounds as if he hates tennis. Pulling a Borg might be the smartest thing for him to do at this point before things spiral completely down the sh*tter.

True, but in Nadal's case he is probably going through a temporary blip. He may just need a recharge. It can't be all sunshine and rainbows for him after so many years grinding on the tour. I am sure every player has his ups and downs. Hopefully Nadal's lack of passion is temporary because if it is not, he is screwed!

Mike Sams
12-13-2011, 06:35 PM
I thought maybe he meant that that isn't what needs to be changed in his tactic, not that he doesn't do it?.



Have you missed all the times Rafa has said how well Novak is playing?.

Have you thought that maybe Novak playing better than before and Rafa not playing as well as before could co-exist?.

Did you also ever think that Nadal's best sometimes just isn't good enough? Ever seen how much trouble he has against players like Davydenko and Nalbandian? See how much trouble he has against players with consistency off both wings, taking the balls early and good anticipation?
But of course...no! Nothing to do with the fact that their styles are nightmare matchups for Nadal. :lol: Djokovic being the best of the lot.

bullfan
12-13-2011, 06:42 PM
I think that once your passion and desire to win is gone it's gone,and there's no getting it back. It's been very noticable all year long that Nadal is burned out,and looks like he would rather be anywhere else but on a tennis court. Next year is going to be even worse since he still seems miserable and sounds as if he hates tennis. Pulling a Borg might be the smartest thing for him to do at this point before things spiral completely down the sh*tter.

It sure sounds like you are posting as if you're Nadal. You seem to be the expert on all that is Nadal..... What his mindset is, when he's screwing around with someone other than Maria, and how he'll do. While one can be a fan and say there's something off, you have totally given up on Nadal, and one wonders what the point in posting is other than to diss your fave. There's no giving Nadal any positives even when he wins. Yet, it's all good to accuse Novak of having all kinds of bad stuff in order to have won what he did in 2011. Nadal, had a 2011 that all but Novak would have been thrilled to have in 2011. Nadal made more finals in 2011 than before.

As a fan of Nadal, I thought he over extended himself in 2011, going the selling route, and not taking care to stay as fit as he should have. I saw Nadal as focusing on his making bank off of 2010. That doesn't mean his passion is gone, he totally stepped it up during both the SF and F of DC. Sure the final started off badly, but he was on fire during sets 2 & 3. It was a no brainer that Nadal was winning both of his matches, no matter who he played.

It's a weird obsession I see that you have about Nadal.....

bullfan
12-13-2011, 06:43 PM
Did you also ever think that Nadal's best sometimes just isn't good enough? Ever seen how much trouble he has against players like Davydenko and Nalbandian? See how much trouble he has against players with consistency off both wings, taking the balls early and good anticipation?
But of course...no! Nothing to do with the fact that their styles are nightmare matchups for Nadal. :lol: Djokovic being the best of the lot.

Djokovic may be to Nadal what Nadal is to Federer..... Time will tell.

Crisstti
12-13-2011, 06:44 PM
If it wasn't by Djokovic, Nadal would've won 3 slams and 6 more titles. And 2011 would have been his best year ever. So this "mental strength" garbage is only logical for nadal *****.

He didn't win all of that though, did he?.

Crisstti
12-13-2011, 06:51 PM
Did you also ever think that Nadal's best sometimes just isn't good enough? Ever seen how much trouble he has against players like Davydenko and Nalbandian? See how much trouble he has against players with consistency off both wings, taking the balls early and good anticipation?
But of course...no! Nothing to do with the fact that their styles are nightmare matchups for Nadal. :lol: Djokovic being the best of the lot.

Of course it has to do with that. But that doesn't mean that it's the only reason.

TMF
12-13-2011, 07:11 PM
He didn't win all of that though, did he?.

But the point is he lost not b/c of the mental strength. Had he won all of his matches, he wouldn't be complaining about mental strength. What he's implying is Nole didn't beat a full strength Nadal.

Mike Sams
12-13-2011, 07:56 PM
It sure sounds like you are posting as if you're Nadal. You seem to be the expert on all that is Nadal..... What his mindset is, when he's screwing around with someone other than Maria, and how he'll do. While one can be a fan and say there's something off, you have totally given up on Nadal, and one wonders what the point in posting is other than to diss your fave. There's no giving Nadal any positives even when he wins. Yet, it's all good to accuse Novak of having all kinds of bad stuff in order to have won what he did in 2011. Nadal, had a 2011 that all but Novak would have been thrilled to have in 2011. Nadal made more finals in 2011 than before.

As a fan of Nadal, I thought he over extended himself in 2011, going the selling route, and not taking care to stay as fit as he should have. I saw Nadal as focusing on his making bank off of 2010. That doesn't mean his passion is gone, he totally stepped it up during both the SF and F of DC. Sure the final started off badly, but he was on fire during sets 2 & 3. It was a no brainer that Nadal was winning both of his matches, no matter who he played.

It's a weird obsession I see that you have about Nadal.....

Del Potro was exhausted from the Ferrer war a couple of days prior and still was in a position to push Nadal to a 5th set on the slowest clay in history. Even despite Del Potro playing some of his worst tennis. 68 UEs was it???? LOL!

Eternity
12-13-2011, 08:01 PM
Del Potro was exhausted from the Ferrer war a couple of days prior and still was in a position to push Nadal to a 5th set on the slowest clay in history. Even despite Del Potro playing some of his worst tennis. 68 UEs was it???? LOL!

Some of his worst tennis, really? Delpo didn't seem to think so. From reading his interview he was happy with his effort if obviously not the result.

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 08:04 PM
It sure sounds like you are posting as if you're Nadal. You seem to be the expert on all that is Nadal..... What his mindset is, when he's screwing around with someone other than Maria, and how he'll do. While one can be a fan and say there's something off, you have totally given up on Nadal, and one wonders what the point in posting is other than to diss your fave. There's no giving Nadal any positives even when he wins. Yet, it's all good to accuse Novak of having all kinds of bad stuff in order to have won what he did in 2011. Nadal, had a 2011 that all but Novak would have been thrilled to have in 2011. Nadal made more finals in 2011 than before.

As a fan of Nadal, I thought he over extended himself in 2011, going the selling route, and not taking care to stay as fit as he should have. I saw Nadal as focusing on his making bank off of 2010. That doesn't mean his passion is gone, he totally stepped it up during both the SF and F of DC. Sure the final started off badly, but he was on fire during sets 2 & 3. It was a no brainer that Nadal was winning both of his matches, no matter who he played.

It's a weird obsession I see that you have about Nadal.....


I just stated my opinion. And for someone who just nearly wrote a book to tell me how obsessed I am is more than hilarious. Pot meet kettle,dude.

And Nadal himself said he has lost his passion for tennis. It's been obvious to anyone who has been a fan of his for a while to see that he does not compete with the same fire and enthusiasm as he used to. He looks miserable,sick,and tired of tennis. All of it is there right before your eyes if you just care to look.

I also see you still think Nadal is a pure as the driven snow,and could not possibly be getting some attention outside of Xisca. If you honestly believe that Nadal goes months at a time without some kind of "companionship" other than Xisca you are seriously deluding yourself. I don't blame him for it,and I am also sure she knows about it. She would have her head buried in the sand it she didn't.

Mike Sams
12-13-2011, 08:06 PM
Some of his worst tennis, really? Delpo said in an interview that he played great.

64 UEs is not great tennis by any means. Del Potro is not at his best and hasn't been since USO final 2009. Whether he will achieve his best form is anybody's guess. Although Nadal believes Del Potro will return to the top 5 next year.

Cup8489
12-13-2011, 08:07 PM
Most probably Djokovic is done. His frail body couldn't bear the strain and stress of 1 year of success. Next year he'll have to defend all his points which will break his poor nerves to bits and pieces.

Nadal has been at the top for 7 years. Djokovic - for 1 year. ANd the age difference is less than a year. Sapienti sat.

Well, if you go by claiming that way, Nadal has been at the top for 2 years. And doesn't look much better than Djokovic, if at all. Both lost in RR of WTF. And Djokovic has been top 4 since 2007. 5 years. So..no.

But, you're a *******. I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Eternity
12-13-2011, 08:12 PM
64 UEs is not great tennis by any means. Del Potro is not at his best and hasn't been since USO final 2009. Whether he will achieve his best form is anybody's guess. Although Nadal believes Del Potro will return to the top 5 next year.

Yes I changed my original post because I didn't remember the interview correctly. He didn't say the word great, he said he played a good match. It was a spirited effort not some of his worst tennis.

Crisstti
12-13-2011, 08:27 PM
But the point is he lost not b/c of the mental strength. Had he won all of his matches, he wouldn't be complaining about mental strength. What he's implying is Nole didn't beat a full strength Nadal.

What he's implying is that his own game has something to with the result. Not exactly an outrageous claim.

Eternity
12-13-2011, 08:36 PM
I just stated my opinion. And for someone who just nearly wrote a book to tell me how obsessed I am is more than hilarious. Pot meet kettle,dude.

And Nadal himself said he has lost his passion for tennis. It's been obvious to anyone who has been a fan of his for a while to see that he does not compete with the same fire and enthusiasm as he used to. He looks miserable,sick,and tired of tennis. All of it is there right before your eyes if you just care to look.

I also see you still think Nadal is a pure as the driven snow,and could not possibly be getting some attention outside of Xisca. If you honestly believe that Nadal goes months at a time without some kind of "companionship" other than Xisca you are seriously deluding yourself. I don't blame him for it,and I am also sure she knows about it. She would have her head buried in the sand it she didn't.

He seemed happy at DC.

Mike Sams
12-13-2011, 08:45 PM
He seemed happy at DC.

He's always happy when he's around Ferrer and Feliciano for some reason.:)

Eternity
12-13-2011, 08:48 PM
He's always happy when he's around Ferrer and Feliciano for some reason.:)

:) I'm surprised you didn't mention Monaco.

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 09:02 PM
He seemed happy at DC.


Looks are deceiving,and based on his own comments and his dour demeanor on court I would say he is anything but happy playing tennis these days.

Eternity
12-13-2011, 09:10 PM
Looks are deceiving,and based on his own comments and his dour demeanor on court I would say he is anything but happy playing tennis these days.

In this case I don't think so. I think his demeanour seemed happier because he likes the team atmosphere and of course winning always helps. Whether that will transfer to next year is anyone's guess.

tusharlovesrafa
12-13-2011, 09:13 PM
Looks are deceiving,and based on his own comments and his dour demeanor on court I would say he is anything but happy playing tennis these days.
No offence,but i clearly think you may be suffering from "OCD" or other pshycological disease as u clearly seem obsessed with rafa on one hand and on other side u disregard whatever he has done and complains him off lacking the fire,moyivation,intensity and blah blah..Either you are his secret admirer or you are impersonating as some one else..

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 09:16 PM
No offence,but i clearly think you may be suffering from "OCD" or other pshycological disease as u clearly seem obsessed with rafa on one hand and on other side u disregard whatever he has done and complains him off lacking the fire,moyivation,intensity and blah blah..Either you are his secret admirer or you are impersonating as some one else..


Lol. Dude,I am a fan of Nadal so of course I am going to be interested in conversation that is about him. Speaking of obsession,I think you're starting to get obsessed with my posts for some reason. Are you bored? Are you lonely? Maybe finding something else to do will help take your mind off of me. :lol:

tusharlovesrafa
12-13-2011, 09:43 PM
Lol. Dude,I am a fan of Nadal so of course I am going to interested in conversation that is about him. Speaking of obsession,I think you're starting to get obsessed with my posts for some reason. Are you bored? Are you lonely? Maybe finding something else to do will help take your mind off of me. :lol:

If you are truly a rafa fan then you are one hell of a pessimistic rafa fan..
secondly,I didn't pay much heed to you initially but lately I realized you are one of few ladies around here.Perhaps my obsession is natural..lol..:)..What do u suggest me to do inorder to take my mind of you??
By the way I have lots of freinds here such as sentinel,gorecki,viva le beu jeu and aphex..:)

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 09:46 PM
If you are truly a rafa fan then you are one hell of a pessimistic rafa fan..
secondly,I didn't pay much heed to you initially but lately I realized you are one of few ladies around here.Perhaps my obsession is natural..lol..:)
By the way I have lots of freinds here with the sentinel,gorecki,viva le beu jeu and aphex..:)

You're right that I am pessimistic. With the way Nadal has been playing this year I don't think the pessimism is unwarranted.

Mike Sams
12-13-2011, 09:51 PM
If you are truly a rafa fan then you are one hell of a pessimistic rafa fan..
secondly,I didn't pay much heed to you initially but lately I realized you are one of few ladies around here.Perhaps my obsession is natural..lol..:)..What do u suggest me to do inorder to take my mind of you??
By the way I have lots of freinds here such as sentinel,gorecki,viva le beu jeu and aphex..:)

He's got you fooled. He's a dude posing as a girl.

tusharlovesrafa
12-13-2011, 09:53 PM
He's got you fooled. He's a dude posing as a girl.

hehe...:)..You are saying as if i was gonna propose her...:twisted:

tusharlovesrafa
12-13-2011, 09:55 PM
You're right that I am pessimistic. With the way Nadal has been playing this year I don't think the pessimism is unwarranted.

Even i have grown a bit pessimist by watching him this year..But I still have faith in him,specially after reading his interview..I hope he can change things and get back his "EYE OF THE TIGER"..:twisted:

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 10:04 PM
hehe...:)..You are saying as if i was gonna propose her...:twisted:


Mike Sams is full of crap,and is on my ignore list for a reason. Unfortunately,I was subjected to another one of her dumb posts because you quoted her so I see that she has once again tried to say I am a dude posing as a chick . I can assure you I am female,whether or not Mrs. Sams believes me or not.

tusharlovesrafa
12-13-2011, 10:17 PM
.................................................. .

rafan
12-13-2011, 10:37 PM
I did present the argument. The man made 5 or 6 finals in a row, all at Master series events, he made the finals of 3 slams.

If not for Djoker he'd have won the most masters in a single season and won 3 slams in a year twice in a row.

How the hell is that a season where he 'puts on the breaks'?

get it now???

Thus, your post was just stupid. This year was nothing like 09 where he physically collapsed after an extended stretch of great play in 08. This year he was great again, just not good enough to beat djoker.

Oh and what did he do in 2010 shell peanuts? Ir was an exhausting season for a man with an injury that will never go away I was in Majorca this year. I spoke to quite a few people . They admitted Djokovic was strong primarily, but then they went on and said about Nadal's knees . Nadal is learning to pace himself. You are very naive if you cannot see self preservation. If you had been a proper Nadal follower you would not have been so stupid

TennisFan3
12-13-2011, 11:29 PM
TALK TALK TALK and more talk.

That's all Nadal has been doing all this year., trying to explain away his defeats, and how the next time may be different. Sounds like a bunch of excuses. He always talks of working hard, practicing his a** off and improving.

Yet he hasn't improved any aspect of his game. Not a single thing.

On the contrary he seems to have regressed. Whereas in the past it was only Djokovic who was getting the better of him, now he's getting bageled by Murray, Federer and getting straight setted by journey man. His game looks strangely depleted back to pre 2007 level, expect he's lost a step.

Anyway, Nadal has to make some hard choices, otherwise he's on track for having a worse next year with no slams. He's not getting any younger obviously. It's time to work smart. Not work hard...

nadalwon2012
12-14-2011, 12:03 AM
Nadal is going to own the crap out of TennisFan3, that is for certain. Nadal knows best, not some bum on the tennis forum :D

Nathaniel_Near
12-14-2011, 12:50 AM
If you are truly a rafa fan then you are one hell of a pessimistic rafa fan..
secondly,I didn't pay much heed to you initially but lately I realized you are one of few ladies around here.Perhaps my obsession is natural..lol..:)..What do u suggest me to do inorder to take my mind of you??
By the way I have lots of freinds here such as sentinel,gorecki,viva le beu jeu and aphex..:)

Ahahahaha.. :twisted::twisted:

Killer post!

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 04:03 AM
Mike Sams is full of crap,and is on my ignore list for a reason. Unfortunately,I was subjected to another one of her dumb posts because you quoted her so I see that she has once again tried to say I am a dude posing as a chick . I can assure you I am female,whether or not Mrs. Sams believes me or not.

yeah I believe you,And I have a reason to believe you.Coz when i termed you as having "OCD" you didn't reply me in a harsher manner which is generally a trend here(guys tend to get cranked up at little things and abuse or whatever where as ladies generally tries to brush aside things)..

LOL mike sams needs to sort her gender out quickly..:)

SLD76
12-14-2011, 05:11 AM
If it wasn't by Djokovic, Nadal would've won 3 slams and 6 more titles. And 2011 would have been his best year ever. So this "mental strength" garbage is only logical for nadal *****.

yeah that or this "putting on the breaks this year physically" crap.

its nonsense.

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 06:24 AM
Nadal is going to own the crap out of TennisFan3, that is for certain. Nadal knows best, not some bum on the tennis forum :D


I think you're setting yourself up for a huge disappointment next year. Accept that Nadal is in decline and it's not going to get any better only worse. There's nowhere to go but down for him next year as the rot is only going to worsen drastically.

And I agree wiith you,TF3. Nadal has done absolutely nothing different this year with any part of his game to be able to get more aggressive and improve his tactics. He STILL thinks going to Possum's backhand is a good strategy against him even though he has been getting massacred off of that wing all year long. I am afraid that Nadal's reluctance to change any part of his game or tactics is going to be the end of him. Add those things in with his mental and physical decline and you spell the end of his career.

Fate Archer
12-14-2011, 06:26 AM
Have to agree that Nadal and some of his fans are living in their own version of La La Land when they don't give Novak the credit he deserves for his year.

Intensity on the strokes? Mental strengh? Passion? It was all there in Miami, Rome, the US Open final and most other matches he played Novak this year... seems like he can't accept that even giving his very best he's still most likely going to lose against Novak now.

He's up for a very disappointing year if he keeps blaming his losses on his own shortcomings, if there were any, instead of acknowledging his opponents merits.

Talker
12-14-2011, 07:10 AM
Have to agree that Nadal and some of his fans are living in their own version of La La Land when they don't give Novak the credit he deserves for his year.

Intensity on the strokes? Mental strengh? Passion? It was all there in Miami, Rome, the US Open final and most other matches he played Novak this year... seems like he can't accept that even giving his very best he's still most likely going to lose against Novak now.

He's up for a very disappointing year if he keeps blaming his losses on his own shortcomings, if there were any, instead of acknowledging his opponents merits.

That's the way I see it too.
Djokovic was just playing at a higher level.

Earlier in the year Nadal said he wasn't concentrating on every point like he should and the next time he would.
But it didn't matter.

kishnabe
12-14-2011, 09:43 AM
Stallone was extremely ripped in Rocky III. He was also very light, because he wanted Thunderlips to look like a monster. He said the perfect weight was Rocky IV, he was fuller and looked more muscular.

Stallone used steroids....wouldn be suprised if those are what gave him that look in rocky 4.

Nadal better use that tactic to beat Djokovic.

Sentinel
12-14-2011, 09:53 AM
I feel Rafa should have his mental strength insured so he doesn't need to recover it again ever.

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 10:37 AM
I think you're setting yourself up for a huge disappointment next year. Accept that Nadal is in decline and it's not going to get any better only worse. There's nowhere to go but down for him next year as the rot is only going to worsen drastically.
And I agree wiith you,TF3. Nadal has done absolutely nothing different this year with any part of his game to be able to get more aggressive and improve his tactics. He STILL thinks going to Possum's backhand is a good strategy against him even though he has been getting massacred off of that wing all year long. I am afraid that Nadal's reluctance to change any part of his game or tactics is going to be the end of him. Add those things in with his mental and physical decline and you spell the end of his career.

I hope nadal retires and leave your poor soul at peace,constang torture that he has done to you is showing up..Nadal is done,butt picking monkay's time is up,nadal is fake,one dimensional dumb ***..hopefully possum can rule forever..
Its sad to see such dumb rant and irritation thinking from a so called "rafa fan"..it reminds me if a saying.."WHO NEEDS ENEMIES WHEN YOU HAVE FRIENDS LIKE THIS"...

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 10:42 AM
That's the way I see it too.
Djokovic was just playing at a higher level.

Earlier in the year Nadal said he wasn't concentrating on every point like he should and the next time he would.
But it didn't matter.

He got away with that excuse in Indian Wells this year when he still had a psychological advantage over Djokovic. Djokovic had to come back from a set down and beat Nadal for the first time in a final. Nadal brushed it off saying his serve completely disappeared in the third set. Maybe true.
Certain styles give Nadal a lot of trouble. Davydenko and Nalbandian are proven examples. Win or lose, Nadal struggles against them.
Even the Nadal/Nalbandian match at the USO which Nadal won in straights, Nalbandian in his completely deteriorated and past-prime state still had Nadal scrapping hard for points and was very competitive in the first and third sets despite the fact that Nalbandian has a WTA level serve. :lol:

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 10:43 AM
I hope nadal retires and leave your poor soul at peace,constang torture that he has done to you is showing up..Nadal is done,butt picking monkay's time is up,nadal is fake,one dimensional dumb ***..hopefully possum can rule forever..
Its sad to see such dumb rant and irritation thinking from a so called "rafa fan"..it reminds me if a saying.."WHO NEEDS ENEMIES WHEN YOU HAVE FRIENDS LIKE THIS"...

I don't think Rafa gives a sh*t what some dude named Clarky who is posing as a chick actually thinks. :lol:

Eternity
12-14-2011, 10:44 AM
Have to agree that Nadal and some of his fans are living in their own version of La La Land when they don't give Novak the credit he deserves for his year.

Intensity on the strokes? Mental strengh? Passion? It was all there in Miami, Rome, the US Open final and most other matches he played Novak this year... seems like he can't accept that even giving his very best he's still most likely going to lose against Novak now.

He's up for a very disappointing year if he keeps blaming his losses on his own shortcomings, if there were any, instead of acknowledging his opponents merits.

To me when he says that he's talking about the past few months not the entire year. His level has dropped from earlier in the year.

He has acknowledged Novak's improvement and given him credit in other interviews. But really he has more than a Novak problem now so why shouldn't he acknowledge his shortcomings.

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 10:44 AM
I hope nadal retires and leave your poor soul at peace,constang torture that he has done to you is showing up..Nadal is done,butt picking monkay's time is up,nadal is fake,one dimensional dumb ***..hopefully possum can rule forever..
Its sad to see such dumb rant and irritation thinking from a so called "rafa fan"..it reminds me if a saying.."WHO NEEDS ENEMIES WHEN YOU HAVE FRIENDS LIKE THIS"...


You are hoot with your nearly incoherent ramblings. Keep em' coming,Tushy. :lol:

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 10:44 AM
Stallone used steroids....wouldn be suprised if those are what gave him that look in rocky 4.

Nadal better use that tactic to beat Djokovic.

Stallone did indeed use massive steroids to get that crazy cut look in Rocky IV.

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 10:45 AM
You are hoot with your nearly incoherent ramblings. Keep em' coming,Tushy. :lol:

Sup dude? How's it going man? :lol:

CMM
12-14-2011, 10:46 AM
Have to agree that Nadal and some of his fans are living in their own version of La La Land when they don't give Novak the credit he deserves for his year.

Intensity on the strokes? Mental strengh? Passion? It was all there in Miami, Rome, the US Open final and most other matches he played Novak this year... seems like he can't accept that even giving his very best he's still most likely going to lose against Novak now.

He's up for a very disappointing year if he keeps blaming his losses on his own shortcomings, if there were any, instead of acknowledging his opponents merits.

I get the impression that some people on this forum have reading comprehension problems.
Wasn't Nadal the one who said that it was probably the highest level of tennis that he ever saw (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=403860)? He gave Djokovic plenty of credit.
This doesn't mean he should just accept that he can't play better (because he definitely can!) and that he will lose every match he's going to play against him from now on.
I think many Federer fans were hoping that this would be the case. Some are even dreaming that he might pull a Borg. Sadly for them, Nadal has other plans. :)

At 25, Nadal has been a tennis professional for almost a decade. But he plans to play several seasons more. "I trust that I still have years left."

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 10:47 AM
I get the impression that some people on this forum have reading comprehension problems.
Wasn't Nadal the one who said that it was probably the highest level of tennis that he ever saw (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=403860)? He gave Djokovic plenty of credit.
This doesn't mean he should just accept that he can't play better (because he definitely can!) and that he will lose every match he's going to play against him from now on.
I think many Federer fans were hoping that this would be the case. Some are even dreaming that he might pull a Borg. Sadly for them, Nadal has other plans. :)

Nadal retiring would be damaging for the sport. Whoever wants him to retire is no fan of tennis but just a pathetic blind Federer worshipper. Those types aren't actually fans of tennis.

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 10:50 AM
I get the impression that some people on this forum have reading comprehension problems.
Wasn't Nadal the one who said that it was probably the highest level of tennis that he ever saw (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=403860)? He gave Djokovic plenty of credit.
This doesn't mean he should just accept that he can't play better (because he definitely can!) and that he will lose every match he's going to play against him from now on.
I think many Federer fans were hoping that this would be the case. Some are even dreaming that he might pull a Borg. Sadly for them, Nadal has other plans. :)


Just because he says he has years left does not make it so. He also believes he is playing the right tactics against **** by hitting to his backhand over and over again. He's delusional.

Crisstti
12-14-2011, 10:53 AM
I get the impression that some people on this forum have reading comprehension problems.
Wasn't Nadal the one who said that it was probably the highest level of tennis that he ever saw (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=403860)? He gave Djokovic plenty of credit.
This doesn't mean he should just accept that he can't play better (because he definitely can!) and that he will lose every match he's going to play against him from now on.
I think many Federer fans were hoping that this would be the case. Some are even dreaming that he might pull a Borg. Sadly for them, Nadal has other plans. :)

:)

Reading comprehension problems and selective memory.

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 10:54 AM
You are hoot with your nearly incoherent ramblings. Keep em' coming,Tushy. :lol:
I am a hooter,mike sams is a chick,clarky is a dude..
IN SHORT WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!

Crisstti
12-14-2011, 10:54 AM
Just because he says he has years left does not make it so. He also believes he is playing the right tactics against **** by hitting to his backhand over and over again. He's delusional.

What is it that you think he should do?.

Is Novak's backhand a worse shot?.

Wasn't Fed criticized because he served on the match point in the USO to Novak's forehand?.

aphex
12-14-2011, 10:59 AM
What is it that you think he should do?.

Is Novak's backhand a worse shot?.

Wasn't Fed criticized because he served on the match point in the USO to Novak's forehand?.

There's nothing to do. Djokovic 2.0 is an inherently superior player.

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 11:01 AM
Just because he says he has years left does not make it so. He also believes he is playing the right tactics against **** by hitting to his backhand over and over again. He's delusional.

Hitting to Djokovic's forehand won't help either. Djokovic is powerful off both sides.

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 11:06 AM
There's nothing to do. Djokovic 2.0 is an inherently superior player.

yes djoker is superior player now,But this year will be his lithmus test when he has to defend all the points,Won't be an easy task..only time will tell..by the way i kinda missed u today as i didn't have any one trolling my posts..

CMM
12-14-2011, 11:08 AM
Just because he says he has years left does not make it so. He also believes he is playing the right tactics against **** by hitting to his backhand over and over again. He's delusional.

That's not what he said.
He said that justifying his losses that way would be too simple. It's like when people say that Federer is choosing the wrong tactics when he meets Rafa, deciding to play from the baseline instead of going to the net.

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 11:51 AM
I am a hooter,mike sams is a chick,clarky is a dude..
IN SHORT WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!


100% female,here. Mike Sams I am not so sure about. :lol:

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 11:55 AM
That's not what he said.
He said that justifying his losses that way would be too simple. It's like when people say that Federer is choosing the wrong tactics when he meets Rafa, deciding to play from the baseline instead of going to the net.


He pretty much did say that. People have been telling him to change it up and he is still insisting that hitting topspin forehands to ****'s backhand will eventually cough up the short ball that he can put away. The problem is that has not worked at all this year. When is he going to do anything differently? When the h2h is 30-16 in Possum's favor? Don't you think it's time for a change in tactics?

TennisFan3
12-14-2011, 12:23 PM
Bottomline: Nadal has to let his racquet do the talking next year. As opposed to words, which he's had plenty of this year, but not lived up to them.

My sense is that he needs to change a few things, however risky that might be at this stage of his career. Doing everything 1-2% better won't cut it. From what I saw, Djokovic didn't even have to play his A game to beat Nadal in the second half of the year. So if Nadal improves a few things marginally but goes on with the same strategy, I don't think he would win. Also considering Djoko's poor serving in the UsOpen final, a more accomplished hard court player could have beaten him IMO.

This is not to take credit away from Djoko. He's had a remarkable year. As I said before, I consider his year to be the 2nd best after Laver's years. However, at the same time, Nadal this year (especially in the 2nd half) hasn't been the player he used to be. If he had played at his 2010 level he might not have won but would have at least made the matches against Djokovic more competitive. As it stands, guys like Murray, Delpo, Fed, Tsonga, Tipsy, Belluci, Ferrer etc gave far more trouble to Djoko than Nadal ever did..

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 12:32 PM
Bottomline: Nadal has to let his racquet do the talking next year. As opposed to words, which he's had plenty of this year, but not lived up to them.

My sense is that he needs to change a few things, however risky that might be at this stage of his career. Doing everything 1-2% better won't cut it. From what I saw, Djokovic didn't even have to play his A game to beat Nadal in the second half of the year. Considering Djoko's poor serving in the UsOpen final, a more accomplished hard court player could have beaten him IMO.

This is not to take credit away from Djoko. He's had a remarkable year. As I said before, I consider it to be the 2nd best after Laver's years. However, at the same time, Nadal wasn't the player he used to be. If he had played at his 2010 level even he might not have won but would have made the matches against Djokovic more competitive. As it stands, guys like Murray, Delpo, Fed, Tsonga, Tipsy, Belluci, Ferrer etc gave far more trouble to Djoko than Nadal ever did..



Better than Fed's 2006-2007? Come on,TF3. What **** did was great,but it doesn't top Fed's best years by a mile.

I do agree with you about Nadal being absolutely zero competition for Possum. Possum playing Nadal in any match is pretty much a bye for him. He's just a much superior player than Nadal in every way.

TennisFan3
12-14-2011, 01:16 PM
Better than Fed's 2006-2007? Come on,TF3. What **** did was great,but it doesn't top Fed's best years by a mile.


I understand that you can argue both way for Fed's 2006 vs Djoko's 2011. They are very close, and statistically Fed might have an edge.

However based on the fact that Djoko had tougher competition, better record against top players, didn't lose for half a year, won 5 masters on different surfaces and did NOT lose multiple times to one player etc etc - I give the edge to Djoko's year over any of Fed's. To me he seemed to be more unbeatable and playing a slightly higher level.

That said, Fed was far more consistent for several years. Having 3 stellar years in a row is unbelievable (as Fed did from 2005-2007) and we need to see whether Djoko can do the same in 2012 and 2013, before comparing..

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 01:23 PM
I understand that you can argue both way for Fed's 2006 vs Djoko's 2011. They are very close, and statistically Fed might have an edge.

However based on the fact that Djoko had tougher competition, better record against top players, didn't lose for half a year, won 5 masters on different surfaces and did NOT lose multiple times to one player etc etc - I give the edge to Djoko's year over any of Fed's. To me he seemed to be more unbeatable and playing a slightly higher level.

That said, Fed was far more consistent for several years. Having 3 stellar years in a row is unbelievable (as Fed did from 2005-2007) and we need to see whether Djoko can do the same in 2012 and 2013, before comparing..



True,but I disagree that **** had tougher competition. He really didn't at all unless you want to count an old Fed and a burnt out,shell of himself Nadal as tough competition. He had it pretty easy this year with who he had to beat to win his titles. He also had an unbelievable amount of luck as well helping him along.

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 03:15 PM
That's not what he said.
He said that justifying his losses that way would be too simple. It's like when people say that Federer is choosing the wrong tactics when he meets Rafa, deciding to play from the baseline instead of going to the net.

Federer's problem has nothing to do with playing from the baseline against Nadal, even if it's clay. His problem is his horrendous BP conversion. 1/17 and 1/12 in BPs is Federer's version of a brain fart.

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 03:17 PM
Bottomline: Nadal has to let his racquet do the talking next year. As opposed to words, which he's had plenty of this year, but not lived up to them.

My sense is that he needs to change a few things, however risky that might be at this stage of his career. Doing everything 1-2% better won't cut it. From what I saw, Djokovic didn't even have to play his A game to beat Nadal in the second half of the year. So if Nadal improves a few things marginally but goes on with the same strategy, I don't think he would win. Also considering Djoko's poor serving in the UsOpen final, a more accomplished hard court player could have beaten him IMO.

This is not to take credit away from Djoko. He's had a remarkable year. As I said before, I consider his year to be the 2nd best after Laver's years. However, at the same time, Nadal this year (especially in the 2nd half) hasn't been the player he used to be. If he had played at his 2010 level he might not have won but would have at least made the matches against Djokovic more competitive. As it stands, guys like Murray, Delpo, Fed, Tsonga, Tipsy, Belluci, Ferrer etc gave far more trouble to Djoko than Nadal ever did..

Nadal has always had problems against players similar to Djokovic. Look at his matches against Nalbandian and Davydenko for example.

celoft
12-14-2011, 03:40 PM
Nadal will win at least 1 Major next year, I really think so but then again that's not much of a prediction, is it.

My prediction is that when both are retired from the sport, Federer will have 5 more slams than Nadal.:-P

kishnabe
12-14-2011, 03:45 PM
I am a hooter,mike sams is a chick,clarky is a dude..
IN SHORT WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!

Becareful what you wish for...

kishnabe
12-14-2011, 03:47 PM
100% female,here. Mike Sams I am not so sure about. :lol:

No Offense, but your grammar and words sings like a man....

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 05:56 PM
No Offense, but your grammar and words sings like a man....

It is a man! :lol:

drakulie
12-14-2011, 06:05 PM
However based on the fact that Djoko had tougher competition,

Yawn.................

lost to david ferrer (fed is 12-0 against him), and to tipsarevic (fed is 4-0 against him).

16-0 record against two guys that beat him at WTF. But yeah, suddenly that "competition is tougher". :roll:

Here is how they both stack up against the "tougher competition" of today:

Federer VS:
Tsonga, 8-3
Fish, 7-1
Murray, 6-8
Joker, 14-10
Berdych, 10-4
Ferrer, 12-0
Tipsarevic, 4-0
Nadal, 9-17

Total: 70-43, 62 % winning percentage.

Joker Vs:
Tsonga, 4-5
Fish, 7-0
Murray, 6-4
Federer, 10-14
Berdych, 8-1
Ferrer, 6-5
Tipsarevic, 3-1
Nadal, 13-16

Total: 57-46, 55% winning percentage.

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 08:22 PM
100% female,here. Mike Sams I am not so sure about. :lol:

No Offense, but your grammar and words sings like a man....

It is a man! :lol:

I genuinely think clarky is a female,even her name souds like a female name..clarkyyy...
May be she if just one open mided chick with to much knowledge about male anatomy..:)

Sentinel
12-14-2011, 08:44 PM
Nadal will win at least 1 Major next year, I really think so but then again that's not much of a prediction, is it.
True, once he recovers his mental strength, the slams will come pouring down.

Let's not forget that 2011 was a magnificent season for Nadal, his best really, and had it not been for one player he might have won 3 slams and countless other titles and exos.

Clarky21
12-14-2011, 08:46 PM
True, once he recovers his mental strength, the slams will come pouring down.

Let's not forget that 2011 was a magnificent season for Nadal, his best really, and had it not been for one player he might have won 3 slams and countless other titles and exos.


I detect major sarcasm within this post. :lol:

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 09:12 PM
True, once he recovers his mental strength, the slams will come pouring down.

Let's not forget that 2011 was a magnificent season for Nadal, his best really, and had it not been for one player he might have won 3 slams and countless other titles and exos.

Duh...We all know who is the real GOAT is..No point repeating the same thing again and again..:)

Mike Sams
12-14-2011, 09:22 PM
I genuinely think clarky is a female,even her name souds like a female name..clarkyyy...
May be she if just one open mided chick with to much knowledge about male anatomy..:)

He's just a lonely dude playing out his fantasies. He's one of those weirdos who dresses up in women's clothing and struts around the house when his parents are out.:razz:

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 09:41 PM
He's just a lonely dude playing out his fantasies. He's one of those weirdos who dresses up in women's clothing and struts around the house when his parents are out.:razz:


http://a.abcnews.com/images/Blotter/abc_women_underwear_vid2a_080409_mn.jpg
OH MY GOD!!!:)

Sentinel
12-15-2011, 01:11 AM
He's just a lonely dude playing out his fantasies. He's one of those weirdos who dresses up in women's clothing and struts around the house when his parents are out.:razz:
:shock:
You remind me of "Silence of the Lambs" was it?

But what's wrong anyway. Let Clarky be whoever she is. She seems like a harmless poster with the disturbing knack of getting banned on every day of the week that has a "y" in it. ;)

_maxi
12-15-2011, 09:48 AM
Nadal mental strenght is injured.

CDestroyer
12-15-2011, 10:06 AM
After Nadal went 0-6 against Djokovic in 2011. Nadal is owned big time. It bled into his matches with other players and it will in 2012 as well.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/12/owned_017.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=38)

Rafa should bow out like Borg.

MotherMarjorie
12-15-2011, 11:34 AM
Quoted from article:

Unlike some other elite athletes, Nadal feels no need for a psychologist.

"I have never used one and I'm not planning to use one. I obviously respect the work of psychologists, but not for playing tennis."

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No truer words have ever been spoken. No psychologist can teach a tennis player mental toughness and fortitude that a champion possesses. Not one.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse

adamX012
12-15-2011, 06:14 PM
Quoted from article:

Unlike some other elite athletes, Nadal feels no need for a psychologist.

"I have never used one and I'm not planning to use one. I obviously respect the work of psychologists, but not for playing tennis."

-------

No truer words have ever been spoken. No psychologist can teach a tennis player mental toughness and fortitude that a champion possesses. Not one.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse

Absolutely, "your highness" speaks it all... None of those psychologists could deal with some posters here too...

Fate Archer
12-15-2011, 06:27 PM
Quoted from article:

Unlike some other elite athletes, Nadal feels no need for a psychologist.

"I have never used one and I'm not planning to use one. I obviously respect the work of psychologists, but not for playing tennis."

-------

No truer words have ever been spoken. No psychologist can teach a tennis player mental toughness and fortitude that a champion possesses. Not one.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse

Well, Novak for one consulted or has been consulting with one in 2011 and since then has had an incredible ressurgence in his mental strength.

I agree that no sport psychologist will ever teach a tennis player mental toughness, but maybe, just maybe, they might just give a little help for the players to find it within themselves.

That's what their work is geared towards, I imagine.

Nathaniel_Near
12-15-2011, 06:34 PM
Well, Novak for one consulted or has been consulting with one in 2011 and since then has had an incredible ressurgence in his mental strength.

I agree that no sport psychologist will ever teach a tennis player mental toughness, but maybe, just maybe, they might just give a little help for the players to find it within themselves.

That's what their work is geared towards, I imagine.

Quoted for smarts.

_maxi
12-15-2011, 08:14 PM
Why wouldn't a psychologist be able to help a tennis player? what has a tennis player outside any other person that makes him impossible to be helped mentally? I don't believe too much in psychologists, but they can be helpful if they are not morons. You have to separate the rational ones from the dogmatics.

CMM
12-15-2011, 09:35 PM
Well, Novak for one consulted or has been consulting with one in 2011 and since then has had an incredible ressurgence in his mental strength.

I haven't read about this. Do you have a link?

rafan
12-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Why wouldn't a psychologist be able to help a tennis player? what has a tennis player outside any other person that makes him impossible to be helped mentally? I don't believe too much in psychologists, but they can be helpful if they are not morons. You have to separate the rational ones from the dogmatics.

Something was missing with Nadal in 2011 and it wasn't just Djoko's fault. Keen watchers have seen him come back from 2 sets down (I saw this at Wimbledon) and it was as though he enjoyed being on a knife edge. This time the humour was missing in his game. The real fight just wasn't there. I think we will see a return to that mental energy that was so thrilling , next year. Either that or he will never really return. But I think he will enjoy the fight once more

aphex
12-15-2011, 10:03 PM
Something was missing with Nadal in 2011 and it wasn't just Djoko's fault. Keen watchers have seen him come back from 2 sets down (I saw this at Wimbledon) and it was as though he enjoyed being on a knife edge. This time the humour was missing in his game. The real fight just wasn't there. I think we will see a return to that mental energy that was so thrilling , next year. Either that or he will never really return. But I think he will enjoy the fight once more

Members of the cult never cease to surprise me!
Good stuff! Keep it coming!

Apun94
12-15-2011, 11:15 PM
Look, here's the thing. The only problem right now, for nadal, is joker. joker has been the reason 2011 has been a bad year for nadal. nadal played extremely well till rome, after which he lacked confidence and thus suffered mentally from thereon.
I dont think that nadal has lost passion this much. i think that he was just too tired at the wtf to really make an impact, he just needs some rest, and has to find a way to defeat joker. And he didnt lose passion until after the us open. till the usopen, he had absolutely no problem with passion, just look at his usopen final against joker, he was extremely passionate.
What nadal needs to do is play like he did in the 3rd set of us open final of this year. this is his only chance of beating joko, becuz quite frankly joko doesnt have an apparent weakness. fed does, bt not joko. i think the AO 2012 will be very imp for rafa, he has to atleast reach the final for him to regain some sort of confidence. And even if he faces joko in the final, nadal needs to take him to 5 sets, to have any sort of mental confidence. Otherwise hes not gonna recover easily. he needs to make adjustments very quickly becuz The olympics are coming and nadal isnt getting any younger with each passing year. If he wants to even come close to fed's record of 16(and counting) majors, he needs to play well in 2012, becuz if he cant, i dont see him coming back in 2013.
Credit to joko, though, for some freaky display of tennis this year. Even tough i am a huge rafa fan, i have to give it to joko for some freaky tennis this yr, nobody beats rafa 6 in a row. Even Fed has never had such a high quality season as joko does. joko's 2011 was better than fed;s 2006( i m not talking abt stats)

aphex
12-16-2011, 12:39 AM
Yeah, lets hope he recovers the humor in his game...

Sentinel
12-16-2011, 02:35 AM
Yeah, lets hope he recovers the humor in his game...
It's all about keeping the humor and illusion alive.



I notice you were surprised by @rafan spelling humor as "humour". When will everyone learn to use American spellings !

aphex
12-16-2011, 02:54 AM
It's all about keeping the humor and illusion alive.



I notice you were surprised by @rafan spelling humor as "humour". When will everyone learn to use American spellings !

Actually I spell it "humour" too but my computer insists that I spell it the American way and drops the "u" when I'm not looking...:mad:

Lsmkenpo
12-16-2011, 02:58 AM
Xafa- the pet name for Nadal now that he has no humour in his game.

aphex
12-16-2011, 03:07 AM
-passion
-humour
-mental strength

...and like that...they were gone...


(from ralph's game)

tusharlovesrafa
12-16-2011, 03:47 AM
It's all about keeping the humor and illusion alive.



I notice you were surprised by @rafan spelling humor as "humour". When will everyone learn to use American spellings !

Actually I spell it "humour" too but my computer insists that I spell it the American way and drops the "u" when I'm not looking...:mad:

-passion
-humour
-mental strength

...and like that...they were gone...


(from ralph's game)


Enjoy poking fun at rafa's game..I am just waiting for 2012 when he will again rise from the ashes..:):twisted:

Fate Archer
12-16-2011, 04:09 AM
I haven't read about this. Do you have a link?

I heard that he was traveling with a sports pyschologist in an article early this year, I think it was this one.

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/refocused-novak-djokovic-dominates-at-australian-open-013011

Reading again, it seems like he actually reduced his camp from last year, besides contracting Dr Ivo. But I think Ivo has also worked on the mental aspect with Novak too, as I once read that Novak called him a "great psychologist" as well.

Actually, many things have changed on Novak's routine, camp, diet and mental maturity to enable his huge ressurgence, so giving just credit to whatever mental work he's been doing would be inaccurate on second thought.

I think a better example that a sports psychologist could work would be Samantha Stosur, who started working with one before winning her US Open.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/greatness-awaits-stosur-20110910-1k38n.html

Sentinel
12-16-2011, 04:30 AM
Enjoy poking fun at rafa's game..I am just waiting for 2012 when he will again rise from the ashes..:):twisted:
Have you even been watching tennis this year at all ??? :confused:

Ashes ???!!!

Do you realize that Rafa has never reached so many finals before ? Just because of one person you cannot rubbish his year. He's had a great year, he's performed better than before, but got beaten by one guy. Finally when all of you "fans" were screaming that he was almost dead, he wins the DC in a majestic fashion beating no less than Delpotro.

Contrast this to the Fedfans in 2008, who were so positive when Fed had a bad year. For them, even reaching a semifinal was a great thing. You Nadal fans need to stop behaving like fair-weather friends.

Of course, Nadal will have a great 2012, if Noel's form dips, Rafa will take full advantage of it.

Gorecki
12-16-2011, 04:36 AM
You can only miss something you used to have. so the whole idea that Rafa's game was missing humour is rather... rather... Conppally? Uncafusionning? -some sort of mixture of Confusing, Appaling & Uncanny -

Darn.... how am i going to express myself in the "write" words!!!

tusharlovesrafa
12-16-2011, 04:48 AM
Have you even been watching tennis this year at all ??? :confused:

Ashes ???!!!

Do you realize that Rafa has never reached so many finals before ? Just because of one person you cannot rubbish his year. He's had a great year, he's performed better than before, but got beaten by one guy. Finally when all of you "fans" were screaming that he was almost dead, he wins the DC in a majestic fashion beating no less than Delpotro.

Contrast this to the Fedfans in 2008, who were so positive when Fed had a bad year. For them, even reaching a semifinal was a great thing. You Nadal fans need to stop behaving like fair-weather friends.

Of course, Nadal will have a great 2012, if Noel's form dips, Rafa will take full advantage of it.

you misinterpreted me,here ashes is synonymous with novak..
He will rise above novak,either his form will improve or noavk's form will dip..!!

CMM
12-16-2011, 04:52 AM
Reading again, it seems like he actually reduced his camp from last year, besides contracting Dr Ivo. But I think Ivo has also worked on the mental aspect with Novak too, as I once read that Novak called him a "great psychologist" as well.

This is the only Dr Ivo I know :-?

http://www.croatia.org/crown/content_images/2007/Ivo_Karlovic4.jpg

If you mean Dr Igor (http://docigor.org/), on his website it says he's a lot of things (Medical Doctor, acupuncturist, magneto-therapist, SCIO practitioner, etc.) but nothing about psychology.

Fate Archer
12-16-2011, 05:10 AM
^ LMAO, you're right.
Can't blame myself too much as they really sound similar though. :)

Well, Dr Igor may not have a psycology degree but he's very onto holistic medicine and all that "mind and body" area, so that's probably where Novak's quote comes from.

Nathaniel_Near
12-16-2011, 06:12 AM
'Mental Strength'... is this the name he gave to his pet dog? Mallorca is not such a big place but he'll probably lose some valuable practice time.

passive_aggressive
12-16-2011, 09:59 AM
Only person that can stop Nadal from beating everyone with his extreme one-dimensional gamestyle is himself.

Not even Djokovic 2.0 stands a chance.

Once Nadal gets his passion back, he will be unstoppable.

DjokovicForTheWin
12-16-2011, 10:25 AM
All of Nadal's accomplishments in the world of tennis have happened because of others not playing to their potential. In 2008 he broke out because Fed was nowhere near his best. And in 2010 he had a great year because Djoker had not matured into 2.0 yet. Else Rafa remains a clay court specialist for his entire career. Therefore Nadal should thanks his fellow players a lot, which he does all credit to him.

Lsmkenpo
12-16-2011, 11:52 AM
'Mental Strength'... is this the name he gave to his pet dog? Mallorca is not such a big place but he'll probably lose some valuable practice time.

No, Xafa has no dog he is terrified of them.

GOAT BAAH!!!
12-16-2011, 11:56 AM
The posters of Talk Tennis have lost all their mental strength...

we are all in decline.

Mike Sams
12-16-2011, 12:31 PM
you misinterpreted me,here ashes is synonymous with novak..
He will rise above novak,either his form will improve or noavk's form will dip..!!

Novak will catch Nadal's Slams and Masters count.:)

Crisstti
12-16-2011, 04:49 PM
Well, Novak for one consulted or has been consulting with one in 2011 and since then has had an incredible ressurgence in his mental strength.

I agree that no sport psychologist will ever teach a tennis player mental toughness, but maybe, just maybe, they might just give a little help for the players to find it within themselves.

That's what their work is geared towards, I imagine.

Agree.

Why wouldn't a psychologist be able to help a tennis player? what has a tennis player outside any other person that makes him impossible to be helped mentally? I don't believe too much in psychologists, but they can be helpful if they are not morons. You have to separate the rational ones from the dogmatics.

Interesting. When you're not talking about Nadal, you seem reasonable. :)

adamX012
12-16-2011, 07:39 PM
The posters of Talk Tennis have lost all their mental strength...

we are all in decline.

LOL.. I couldn't stop laughing.... but interesting saying..

Sentinel
12-16-2011, 08:28 PM
Novak will catch Nadal's Slams and Masters count.:)
Novak has to recover his shoulder first.


p.s. on a side note, batz has reported that Murray has recovered his groin strength.

tusharlovesrafa
12-16-2011, 09:03 PM
Novak has to recover his shoulder first.


p.s. on a side note, batz has reported that Murray has recovered his groin strength.

hehehe..I hope he recovers from his groin injury rather then a groin injury recovering him.:)

rafan
12-17-2011, 02:03 AM
It's all about keeping the humor and illusion alive.



I notice you were surprised by @rafan spelling humor as "humour". When will everyone learn to use American spellings !

American spelling? when I come from the birthplace of the english language

Sentinel
12-17-2011, 02:27 AM
You can only miss something you used to have. so the whole idea that Rafa's game was missing humour is rather... rather...
Have they managed to recovery the banana stuck in Rafa's throat ?

Nathaniel_Near
12-17-2011, 02:27 AM
No, Xafa has no dog he is terrified of them.

Exactly, that's the whole point of the original comment, to find his dog named Mental Strength. Makes sense, no?

aphex
12-17-2011, 02:38 AM
Have they managed to recovery the banana stuck in Rafa's throat ?

He's been trying to extract that plantano since that fateful day.
The only problem is, he's trying through the wrong orifice...

equinox
12-17-2011, 02:49 AM
His goose is cooked. Djoker will dominate tennis into the foreseeable future until young bucks (nishikori, harrison, tomic, berankis, raonic, etc) dethrone him.

vive le beau jeu !
12-17-2011, 03:24 AM
Have they managed to recovery the banana stuck in Rafa's throat ?
http://estaticos04.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundodeporte/imagenes/2006/06/03/1149370288_0.jpg

sure is the right moment to eat the skin, tio ?
He's been trying to extract that plantano since that fateful day.
The only problem is, he's trying through the wrong orifice...
que ? wrong orificio ?......

http://i43.tinypic.com/15d5a3q.jpg

... i managed to take it out now !
gracias for the tip, aphex... what would i do without faithful fans como tu ?... :)

Hitman
12-17-2011, 04:25 AM
http://estaticos04.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundodeporte/imagenes/2006/06/03/1149370288_0.jpg

sure is the right moment to eat the skin, tio ?

que ? wrong orificio ?......

http://i43.tinypic.com/15d5a3q.jpg

... i managed to take it out now !
gracias for the tip, aphex... what would i do without faithful fans como tu ?... :)

LMAO!!!!! That is just classic!!!! Makes the first picture look really painful! LOL!

Sentinel
12-18-2011, 06:48 AM
Is there a schedule for recovering mental strength, some milestones or deadlines ?

I can't wait to see Rafa playing with 100% mental strength.