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OddJack
12-13-2011, 04:54 PM
Tim, just like Newcombe, is very optimistic about Rodge's chances to regain top spot:


"I think he will win more slams, I really do. If the conditions favour him then Roger at his best is still better than anyone else."

http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/126117.html

Tammo
12-13-2011, 05:08 PM
Why talk about Federer, Murray has a much better chance cuz he has almost no points to defend between AO and FO

_maxi
12-13-2011, 05:10 PM
Why talk about Federer, Murray has a much better chance cuz he has almost no points to defend between AO and FO
Yeah because Federer defends 10 titles before the FO.

OddJack
12-13-2011, 05:11 PM
Yeah because Federer defends 10 titles before the FO.

Muhahahaaahaaa

One little Duha,

Not enough to scratch your head with.

Clarky21
12-13-2011, 05:13 PM
**** would have to die first before Fed takes the number 1 spot from him. Roger getting to number 2 is a sure bet though,and Murray will move up to the third spot with a good shot at taking the 2nd spot for himself.

Tammo
12-13-2011, 05:17 PM
Yeah because Federer defends 10 titles before the FO.

Yeah, 600 points can't really change the rankings now can they....:confused:

ttbrowne
12-13-2011, 06:47 PM
Henman, "Federer will return to #1. Now get me a Coke dammit!"

Mick
12-13-2011, 07:13 PM
i think federer cares more about winning the olympics gold medal in 2012 than winning another grand slam or regaining the top ranking. anyway, these pundits always would say things like this. of course, there's a chance that federer could win more grand slams or regaining the top ranking. how big of a chance is a problem because the chance of doing it could be very slim.

Eternity
12-13-2011, 09:35 PM
Why talk about Federer, Murray has a much better chance cuz he has almost no points to defend between AO and FO

It's better they don't. When Murray's talked up that way it seems to lead to disappointment, at least let him win a major first.

Russeljones
12-13-2011, 10:58 PM
Why talk about Federer, Murray has a much better chance cuz he has almost no points to defend between AO and FO

Don't worry, 2012 will be Murray's year. The tarot cards say "diet".

joeri888
12-14-2011, 12:44 AM
Is it possible for Murray to become no. 1 without winning a Slam? Hard to see it happen these days, but would it be possible, if for instance Federer wins the AO, and Djokovic does terrible there, and then Murray improves massively in IW and Miami?

batz
12-14-2011, 12:58 AM
Is it possible for Murray to become no. 1 without winning a Slam? Hard to see it happen these days, but would it be possible, if for instance Federer wins the AO, and Djokovic does terrible there, and then Murray improves massively in IW and Miami?

It's highly unlikely. Novak would probably have to take 4 months off and Murray win everything in sight for that to happen.

monfed
12-14-2011, 01:50 AM
Henman is out of his mind if he thinks Federer is retaking #1

TennisLovaLova
12-14-2011, 03:22 AM
Henman is out of his mind if he thinks Federer is retaking #1

"It's amazing that people were trying to write him off." Last paragraph of the interview.

wangs78
12-14-2011, 03:41 AM
i think federer cares more about winning the olympics gold medal in 2012 than winning another grand slam or regaining the top ranking. anyway, these pundits always would say things like this. of course, there's a chance that federer could win more grand slams or regaining the top ranking. how big of a chance is a problem because the chance of doing it could be very slim.

Disagree. I think he would still prefer another Wimby title over the Olympic gold. With the other three I think it's about even, although if I were him, I'd choose Wimby or a 2nd FO over gold, but gold over AO or USO.

stingstang
12-14-2011, 03:44 AM
They are making out the WTF to be way more important than it is. Regular Djoker/Nadal/etc will resume as usual next GS.

nadalwon2012
12-14-2011, 04:06 AM
Did Henman/Newk say the same stuff after 2010 World Tour Finals? These guys are strangely unaware of the difference between indoor and outdoor tennis. Federer will always be great indoors.

TJfederer16
12-14-2011, 04:58 AM
If he wins a grand slam next year he will be right up there, he has been very close, if he picks one up next year he'll have a great chance of getting back to the top spot, even if it is just for a short amount of time.

helloworld
12-14-2011, 05:46 AM
i think federer cares more about winning the olympics gold medal in 2012 than winning another grand slam or regaining the top ranking. anyway, these pundits always would say things like this. of course, there's a chance that federer could win more grand slams or regaining the top ranking. how big of a chance is a problem because the chance of doing it could be very slim.

Federer prefers Olympic over Wimbledon? What are you smoking?? You gotta gimme some!! :lol:

joeri888
12-14-2011, 05:48 AM
There's a huge if. IF Federer wins the AO, that could land him in the no. 2 spot, which means that Novak and Rafa can meet in the semis. If they do, one of them is gonna lose points, and Roger always has a good chance against 1 of them, but both b2b is tough. He's got a great lead on all of them for the race to Shanghai 2012, and I think that if he wins the AO, he might add another 500 in Rotterdam, which would put pressure on Novak all the way to the US Open. However, winning in Australia is a huge if, and maybe a 10 % chance.

TheMusicLover
12-14-2011, 05:52 AM
A typical Former Player-Media Pundit talking out of his ***** to gain attention, nothing more, nothing less.
I'm waiting for Wilander to come up with predicting Rafa's or Djoko's CYGS (make it a golden one, no less) in 2012 - on whoever's bandwagon he might be this time. ;)

Mick
12-14-2011, 06:45 AM
Federer prefers Olympic over Wimbledon? What are you smoking?? You gotta gimme some!! :lol:

didn't you see his reaction when he won the doubles gold with his buddy wawrinka?
furthermore, federer has won so many wimbledon titles, one more wouldn't matter that much to him but he has never won a gold medal in singles competition in the olympics, so winning the gold in singles would be big to him.

TennisLovaLova
12-14-2011, 07:38 AM
Federer prefers Olympic over Wimbledon? What are you smoking?? You gotta gimme some!! :lol:

I read somewhere that pot is recommended for post tennis relaxation

ImAGrinch
12-14-2011, 07:44 AM
Federer will not return to #1 unless both Nadal and Djokovic spend alot of time injured. Both players are currently playing at a higher level than Federer more often than not these days. His age has caught up to him and that's mainly in the form of consistency at the highest levels. Sure Fed can and will out perform them on occasion, but its not going to be often enough to reach #1.

Fate Archer
12-14-2011, 08:01 AM
If Federer takes control of the #2 rank, either putting Nadal to #3 by outplaying him or if Nadal is slumping, he will be in good condition to take #1.

The ATP/ITF heads will probably still aim for Fedal finals so Nadal will most likely be on Novak's side for that to happen.

If there is no improvement on Murray's side then the pattern on most events could hopefully become Djokovic/Federer finals where it could go either way.

Some pieces need to fall in place for that to happen but taking #2 away from Nadal is the first and most important sub-step right now.

nadalwon2012
12-14-2011, 09:00 AM
I agree that Federer values the Olympics heavily. There is the added dynamic of preventing Nadal from winning TWO singles gold medals. It could be an extremely valuable achievement if Nadal finishes with more slams and masters shields then Federer.

Sentinel
12-14-2011, 09:12 AM
They are making out the WTF to be way more important than it is. Regular Djoker/Nadal/etc will resume as usual next GS.
True.

Can't wait for Rafa to get his mental strength back.

RoddickAce
12-14-2011, 09:17 AM
didn't you see his reaction when he won the doubles gold with his buddy wawrinka?
furthermore, federer has won so many wimbledon titles, one more wouldn't matter that much to him but he has never won a gold medal in singles competition in the olympics, so winning the gold in singles would be big to him.

I tend to agree that, despite Wimbledon being much more valued in the tennis community than Olympics, there has to be some diminishing marginal returns with winning Wimbledon for the 7th time vs. winning the Olympics Singles Gold for the 1st time. And it looks more complete on the resume with the Olympics.

TMF
12-14-2011, 09:19 AM
I agree that Federer values the Olympics heavily. There is the added dynamic of preventing Nadal from winning TWO singles gold medals. It could be an extremely valuable achievement if Nadal finishes with more slams and masters shields then Federer.

Why shouldn't Fed values 2012 Olympics since he's accomplished everything on the pro tour? There's nothing left except the single gold(he's got the double). Nadal should be focusing on winning hist first WTF.

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 09:26 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

TMF
12-14-2011, 09:28 AM
Disagree. I think he would still prefer another Wimby title over the Olympic gold. With the other three I think it's about even, although if I were him, I'd choose Wimby or a 2nd FO over gold, but gold over AO or USO.

Wimbledon was always been Fed's most important/favorite tournament since he was a kid. When asked about what his dream about winning in the future, young Fed said Wimbledon.

stringertom
12-14-2011, 09:28 AM
Did Henman/Newk say the same stuff after 2010 World Tour Finals? These guys are strangely unaware of the difference between indoor and outdoor tennis. Federer will always be great indoors.

What a surprise! (Bullz1lla) plays the "indoor card" again!

Apparently your memory is failing you so I'll go over the list you need before thinking of playing it again:

16 Major titles
10 straight Major finals appearances
18 of 19 Major finals appearances ('05Wimby-'10AO)
5x finalist at all four Majors
23 consecutive SF Major appearances
30 & counting QF Major appearances

ALL played OUTDOOR!

Bookmark this post when confused and thinking of regurgitating the "indoor" thing, no?

nadalwon2012
12-14-2011, 09:33 AM
^ Yes, but what have you done for me lately? Federer won the last 2 World Tour Finals, and ZERO slams in between. He won Basel and Paris, also indoors... Kind of suspicious, don't you think? It reveals that Federer currently is still the best indoor player, but far from the best outdoor player.

Fate Archer
12-14-2011, 09:44 AM
Don't mind him @Tom, and it's so ironic and hilarious to see him doing this again and again, when in this same year we had his idol Rafito going back to his very roots as a clay court specialist, winning JUST clay court titles... :lol:
Indeed, what a great Monte Carlo player that Rafito is. :lol: :lol:

Mick
12-14-2011, 09:49 AM
I tend to agree that, despite Wimbledon being much more valued in the tennis community than Olympics, there has to be some diminishing marginal returns with winning Wimbledon for the 7th time vs. winning the Olympics Singles Gold for the 1st time. And it looks more complete on the resume with the Olympics.

i remember seeing djokovic cry after nadal beat him at the olympics (semifinal ?). i don't think djokovic has ever cried after losing a match at a grand slam tournament before. so to these guys, winning the olympics is huge.

monfed
12-14-2011, 09:53 AM
Federer fans need to keep some perspective here. For Federer to get back no1 , he absolutely MUST win AO and Nadal lose early preferrably. If this happens he snatches no 2 from Nadal(most probably?).

If Nadal drops to 3, he'd be toast since he'll be in Novak's half and we know how that will pan out. :lol:


What's important is HOW is Federer gonna win AO? From what we saw this year, AO is Fed's worst/second-worst slam.
For him to win AO, he needs to avoid BOTH Novak and Nadal imo. How in god's name is that gonna happen?

Not to mention, AO is an extremely sluggish court and they use heavy balls so Federer has virtually no penetration for his shots. Slow HC is Federer's worst surface imo and it's just too physical for his game.

merlinpinpin
12-14-2011, 09:55 AM
if Nadal finishes with more slams

Which he won't, so you can rest easy... ;)

masters shields then Federer.

Which he definitely will. The MS record is a kind of a gift from the #1 to the #2. Just ask Sampras and Agassi. It's a tradition, or a charta, or something like that... :lol:

Sentinel
12-14-2011, 10:05 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..
Well, Rafa had better recover his mental strength quickly so we don't have to see nood pics of you.

I'm not sure which is more disagreeable, watching Rafa's boring game, or your nood pics. I guess Rafa's game edges you out by a slim margin :D

merlinpinpin
12-14-2011, 10:07 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Please spare us the butt-picking, at least! :lol:

DRII
12-14-2011, 11:14 AM
Its astounding how the classists are so far up Federer's *****...

talk about brown nosing!

DRII
12-14-2011, 11:16 AM
Disagree. I think he would still prefer another Wimby title over the Olympic gold. With the other three I think it's about even, although if I were him, I'd choose Wimby or a 2nd FO over gold, but gold over AO or USO.

Yea right! You must be crazy...

nadalwon2012
12-14-2011, 11:56 AM
Which he won't, so you can rest easy... ;)


Don't you mean YOU can rest easy....? I know your worst nightmare is Nadal winning more slams than Federer, and there is no way you would want to give that possibility any chance whatsoever. But you must admit, Djokovic is the only player in Nadal's path. Nadal figuring Djokovic out, or Djokovic continuing to struggle physically would lead to a barrage of Nadal slams, as he continues to dispose of the Del Potros and Murrays in slams....

Kaz00
12-14-2011, 12:35 PM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Quoted for truth and bookmarked :)

merlinpinpin
12-14-2011, 12:38 PM
Don't you mean YOU can rest easy....? I know your worst nightmare is Nadal winning more slams than Federer, and there is no way you would want to give that possibility any chance whatsoever. But you must admit, Djokovic is the only player in Nadal's path. Nadal figuring Djokovic out, or Djokovic continuing to struggle physically would lead to a barrage of Nadal slams, as he continues to dispose of the Del Potros and Murrays in slams....

Oh, you really know my worst nightmare? That's impressive! Do you know the name of my dog, too? ;)

As for the rest, yeah, sure, whatever you say. Bring on the "barrage of slams", Rafa... :)

(But still, failing short of Federer's record won't prevent him to become an all-time great (heck, he is one already) and to be mighty proud of what he's accomplished, you know (if not of the way he's accomplished it). It's his fans who might be expecting too much of him, but then, that's generally how fans are...)

Mustard
12-14-2011, 01:04 PM
Can't see Federer getting back to number 1 at this stage of his career, unless Nadal and Djokovic both miss some majors with injuries and nobody else makes a move for the top.

niff
12-14-2011, 01:33 PM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..
:shock:
Long live Possum, lest TT be shut down for child porn.

Semi-Pro
12-14-2011, 01:40 PM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..


no one wants to see your tushy, and small package,,,sorry to disappoint tushy

sureshs
12-14-2011, 01:52 PM
Henman was one of those Federer happy losers. He used to get rides from Fed on his chartered jet and the two have a long relationship, with Fed faithfully saying that Henman was one of the favorites for Wimbledon.

Fate Archer
12-14-2011, 02:22 PM
Henman was one of those Federer happy losers. He used to get rides from Fed on his chartered jet and the two have a long relationship, with Fed faithfully saying that Henman was one of the favorites for Wimbledon.

Oh yeah... a happy loser that used to own Fed so much that they ended up having an almost even 7-6 H2H slightly favoring Fed... :rolleyes:

vive le beau jeu !
12-14-2011, 02:47 PM
Federer fans need to keep some perspective here. For Federer to get back no1 , he absolutely MUST win AO and Nadal lose early preferrably. If this happens he snatches no 2 from Nadal(most probably?).
it's always preferable that the nadal loses early, regardless of any other consideration.

zagor
12-14-2011, 03:07 PM
Henman and Newcombe must be smoking some hard stuff.

Fed can win an additional slam(or maybe even more) before he's done but I seriously doubt he's getting back to #1(and I doubt that's his priority either, he's not a dummy).

celoft
12-14-2011, 03:14 PM
He has good chances, specially if Djokovic and Nadal are tired from reaching so many finals in 2011.

sportsfan1
12-14-2011, 03:26 PM
Don't worry, 2012 will be Murray's year. The tarot cards say "diet".
Yeah, it's time for Murray to get onto Noel's go gluten free to gain a slam (or 3) diet ;-)

ViscaB
12-14-2011, 03:40 PM
It's as likely as Henman still winning Wimbledon.

nikdom
12-14-2011, 04:54 PM
It's as likely as Henman still winning Wimbledon.

Have you crossed out all of Xisca's pictures in your basement Rafa-shrine already? Surprising to see you come up for air so soon.


P.S - i'm sorry. I see you're from Hong Kong. Replace 'basement' with '500 sq feet apartment' in my post above.

tusharlovesrafa
12-14-2011, 08:18 PM
Quoted for truth and bookmarked :)

:shock:
Long live Possum, lest TT be shut down for child porn.

tit for tat...

no one wants to see your tushy, and small package,,,sorry to disappoint tushy

Me being from certain nationality doesn't automatically make me have a small package...I hope you understand this..
By the way Fed isn't going to NO.1..his time has passed..:twisted:

Nathaniel_Near
12-14-2011, 08:37 PM
Can't see Federer getting back to number 1 at this stage of his career, unless Nadal and Djokovic both miss some majors with injuries and nobody else makes a move for the top.

Agree.


10thumbsup

vernonbc
12-14-2011, 09:36 PM
Fedfans and assorted pundits were living in the same lala land last year at this time after he'd managed to win a couple of indoor tourneys. Bet if you went back in the archives you'd find the same threads and the same comments from the same dreamers. Fed won't be #1 again unless Novak and Rafa and Andy, and even Jo and Tomas, are all injured and miss some big tournaments.

NadalAgassi
12-14-2011, 11:48 PM
Fedfans and assorted pundits were living in the same lala land last year at this time after he'd managed to win a couple of indoor tourneys. Bet if you went back in the archives you'd find the same threads and the same comments from the same dreamers. Fed won't be #1 again unless Novak and Rafa and Andy, and even Jo and Tomas, are all injured and miss some big tournaments.

The bolded part is where you stopped making sense. Murray has never ended a year ranked higher than #4. While he could make a move from that he is far from an unclearable hurdle for Federer as it stands now (heck he is once again ranked below Federer as we speak).

Berdych and Tsonga however? What nonsense. Neither of those guys have shown the consistency or even the ability to frequently beat all the top players (especialy Berdych) to even be a top 5 player. Neither have ever been close to Federer in ranking points, even this past year.

Big_Dangerous
12-15-2011, 12:11 AM
**** would have to die first before Fed takes the number 1 spot from him. Roger getting to number 2 is a sure bet though,and Murray will move up to the third spot with a good shot at taking the 2nd spot for himself.

Or he could just get hurt... Or not defend all 10 of his titles before Paris.

aphex
12-15-2011, 02:06 AM
it's always preferable that the nadal loses early, regardless of any other consideration.

Is it preferable that the nadal loses 1st round or that he gets abused in one more final by djoker? Its a tough choice!

sbengte
12-15-2011, 02:20 AM
The only way he can return to no.1 is by hiring Djoker's ex-doctor and going gluten free.

Fate Archer
12-15-2011, 10:19 AM
As I said earlier, it will look much more likely once (if) he gets #2 from Nadal.

Here's how much they will have to defend for the next few tournaments in the year:

DOHA AO DUB IW MI MC MD RO

Nadal - 9,595 90 360 - 600 600 1000 600 600

Federer -8,170 250 720 300 360 360 180 360 90

Assuming that they defend their points at Doha and Federer wins the AO, he will be just a measly 145 points shy from Nadal.

If this scenario plays out Fed could see himself as #2 as early as before march if he improves his final appearance in Dubai (that's if he's playing there too).

But anyway, if he closes out this point advantage with a win at Melbourne he wouldn't need to rush things as Nadal would be defending a string of final appearances with 600 points or more that could drop at any bad showing from him in these tournaments from IW to Rome.

Fed on the other hand has much to gain and improve specially at Monte Carlo and Rome where he defends just a measly 180 and 90 points respectively. Any short lead Nadal would have at this point could easily have been overtaken by Fed by just improving these two results.

The #2 ranking as it stands is a very volatile one and could change in an instant. If Federer overtakes it, it will completely change the tennis landscape.

For instance Nadal's chances at RG, which already don't look as good as they were in the past, would look even more daunting when he finds himself in the #3 seed, having to play either Novak in the semis or to go over Federer and then Novak in the finals.

And if he drops most of his points from RG that could give Federer a firm grasp at the #2 ranking until at least the end of the year.

Novak will have a lot to defend himself, so we will see how well he will fare at such an herculean task of defending all these points and how much of a chance he will give to whoever is at the #2 position to overtake him.

OddJack
12-15-2011, 10:27 AM
^^^^

Nice post there Fate

vive le beau jeu !
12-15-2011, 12:22 PM
Is it preferable that the nadal loses 1st round or that he gets abused in one more final by djoker? Its a tough choice!
pertinent point.
mmmh... the best would be to get djokbused in the 1st round.
(but we needs his ranking to drop a lot more)


... am i asking for too much ? http://www.naker.us/WordPress/images/BlushingSmiley.jpg

Mustard
12-15-2011, 12:24 PM
Nadal will shut up the haters :)

tennis_pro
12-15-2011, 12:30 PM
The #2 ranking as it stands is a very volatile one and could change in an instant. If Federer overtakes it, it will completely change the tennis landscape.



100 % my thoughts. If Nadal falls to no 3 in the world, I think the ATP will put (yes I do believe the draws are rigged) him in Djokovic's half more often than not. That would complete change the scenario with Djokovic-Nadal fighting out in the SF (Djokovic winning on most occasions) with Federer having a a way easier task at taking out Murray (who is the least consistent of the top 4 and likely to get upset from time to time).

Federer really has to step it up at the AO, if not win it, at least do better than Nadal.

MichaelNadal
12-15-2011, 12:34 PM
Nadal will shut up the haters :)

I really hope he does

Mainad
12-15-2011, 01:16 PM
100 % my thoughts. If Nadal falls to no 3 in the world, I think the ATP will put (yes I do believe the draws are rigged) him in Djokovic's half more often than not. That would complete change the scenario with Djokovic-Nadal fighting out in the SF (Djokovic winning on most occasions) with Federer having a a way easier task at taking out Murray (who is the least consistent of the top 4 and likely to get upset from time to time).

Don't forget Murray is one of the few players to have a positive H2H v Federer (8-6). Consequently if Murray is playing well, it won't be that easy a task for Federer to get past him.

tennis_pro
12-15-2011, 01:19 PM
Don't forget Murray is one of the few players to have a positive H2H v Federer (8-6). Consequently if Murray is playing well, it won't be that easy a task for Federer to get past him.

I never said it was gonna be easy. I did say, however that Murray would be an EASIER opponent for Federer in a SF (especially on clay/grass courts) than Djokovic (or Nadal). Also Murray is up and down nowadays and could be upset before the semis.

Of course this is all hypothetical, AO will be fun to watch in 2012 given 3-4 completely different scenarios based on the outcome.

tusharlovesrafa
12-15-2011, 08:47 PM
pertinent point.
mmmh... the best would be to get djokbused in the 1st round.
(but we needs his ranking to drop a lot more)


... am i asking for too much ? http://www.naker.us/WordPress/images/BlushingSmiley.jpg

That's what you have been asking for last many years but unfortunately your wish won't be granted..:twisted::grin:

slice bh compliment
12-15-2011, 09:06 PM
A typical Former Player-Media Pundit talking out of his ***** to gain attention, nothing more, nothing less.
I'm waiting for Wilander to come up with predicting Rafa's or Djoko's CYGS (make it a golden one, no less) in 2012 - on whoever's bandwagon he might be this time. ;)

Yes, yes, this is the main plot: attention-starved former stars, in their struggle to remain relevant.

After Wilander, it'll be Becker, backing RF or Tsonga, whoever looks good in early January (he just cannot stand Murray).
Cashy will back either Rafa or Djokr, depending on a chance jock-sniffing session in Oz leading up to Melbourne.
Noah will tip Muzzer and Tsonga for a big 2012. If it is Murray, he will cite his Spanish academy background and drop hints about the clenbuterol paella.
Sampras will stay our of the fray until it becomes evident that RF needs the essence of Pete 2002.
Agassi will be the only one smart enough to shut up. He might just say something nice about Nole and Muzzer while wielding a HEAD racquet at a fundraiser.
Gaston Gaudio will be one of the few recently retired slam titlists to show restraint. Or nobody returns his email. Either way.
Safin will be too busy working for his constituency with public policy and fighting the good fight in Moscow. So he will not have time to spout off about tennis or hit with his sister.

TennisLovaLova
12-15-2011, 11:44 PM
I hope federer will reach #1 spot bu defeating either rafa or djoko in any final or semi he plays. It will only add to his merit.

Sentinel
12-16-2011, 02:26 AM
100 % my thoughts. If Nadal falls to no 3 in the world, I think the ATP will put (yes I do believe the draws are rigged) him in Djokovic's half more often than not.
WHy would they favor Federer?

Isn't it worse for tennis if the same person keeps winning. What's more we've seen Rafa getting easier draws at USO and others (I know this can be subjective, and i don't mean to flame-bait).


As I said earlier, it will look much more likely once (if) he gets #2 from Nadal.

Here's how much they will have to defend for the next few tournaments in the year:

Great. But seems to depend on Fred winning the AO, which most of us feel is really difficult now. What are his chances of getting to #2 if he reaches the semi only. Or QF. Assume Noel wins.

Fate Archer
12-16-2011, 04:54 AM
Great. But seems to depend on Fred winning the AO, which most of us feel is really difficult now. What are his chances of getting to #2 if he reaches the semi only. Or QF. Assume Noel wins.

It is, on the same way that Novak winning the AO early this year made him only 85 points shy of Federer's #2 position.

This AO will be pivotal on how the rest of the year might play out.

If Federer just defends or makes the quarter final in worst case scenario, Rafa would either keep his 1000+ lead or have an additional 360 points to his lead and from there on it would be VERY tough to take #2 away from him.

Fed might be within striking position again maybe somewhere between RG and Wimbledon, but it will depend a lot more on how the year untill then will play out.

It's too far to make predictions for that part of the year from march onwards, our best bet would be on Roger giving his best at the Ozz now, where he has had great results in the past 4 or 5 years (nothing short of semis appearances) and is probably the 2nd favorite to take the title.

batz
12-16-2011, 05:06 AM
WHy would they favor Federer?

Isn't it worse for tennis if the same person keeps winning. What's more we've seen Rafa getting easier draws at USO and others (I know this can be subjective, and i don't mean to flame-bait).



Great. But seems to depend on Fred winning the AO, which most of us feel is really difficult now. What are his chances of getting to #2 if he reaches the semi only. Or QF. Assume Noel wins.

Good points Senti - another point is that Murray is less than 800 points behind Roger and is defending literally nothing until the start of the clay season i.e. IMHO he has similar chance of getting to number 2 as Roger does.

stringertom
12-16-2011, 06:45 AM
The "big swing" scenarios would depend on an early-round upset of either of the top two Fed is chasing plus his reaching finals or winning. That implies a dangerous floater (i.e. Isner@RG'11 vs Ralph) pulling a 1st/2nd round upset @AO to start the ball rolling. Interesting that two of the more pesky floaters actually hold the final two seeds...Raonic, Anderson. Below the "cut line" here are some of the candidates...Dodig (win vs Nadal), Bellucci (scare vs Djok in Madrid), Tursunov, Davydenko, Tomic (home court advantage), Kohly, Baggy,
Haase (my hunch??), Muller, Ivo, Gulbis (hold my nose, cross my fingers), Staks, Petzschner (Wimby memories?) and Nalby.

Any thoughts on those candidates or others? One who comes to mind is another Aussie...Matty Ebden.

billnepill
07-09-2012, 08:44 AM
Can't see Federer getting back to number 1 at this stage of his career, unless Nadal and Djokovic both miss some majors with injuries and nobody else makes a move for the top.

Fedfans and assorted pundits were living in the same lala land last year at this time after he'd managed to win a couple of indoor tourneys. Bet if you went back in the archives you'd find the same threads and the same comments from the same dreamers. Fed won't be #1 again unless Novak and Rafa and Andy, and even Jo and Tomas, are all injured and miss some big tournaments.

good points guys

keep it up

tennis_pro
07-09-2012, 08:49 AM
good points guys

keep it up

Not the "lala land" again. I say - if vernonbc comes back let's just throw that phrase in every reply to her.

Bruce39
07-09-2012, 08:52 AM
**** would have to die first before Fed takes the number 1 spot from him. Roger getting to number 2 is a sure bet though,and Murray will move up to the third spot with a good shot at taking the 2nd spot for himself.

Oh dear, did Djokovic die???????? I hope not! :)

Bruce39
07-09-2012, 08:52 AM
Nadal will shut up the haters :)

Nope, I would say Fed shut up the haters ;)

merlinpinpin
07-09-2012, 08:53 AM
Well, here's a thread that looks full of insightful comments. Looks like he finally did it, and *without* getting the #2 spot first. ;)

And now, we finally get to see Tushar bald and in the nude. Groovy.

On second thoughts, probably not... :?

BigServer1
07-09-2012, 08:54 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Waiting on this...Definitely waiting...

Sri
07-09-2012, 08:57 AM
Henman knows more than haters sermoning on online forums.

jokinla
07-09-2012, 10:15 AM
**** would have to die first before Fed takes the number 1 spot from him. Roger getting to number 2 is a sure bet though,and Murray will move up to the third spot with a good shot at taking the 2nd spot for himself.

WHOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

jokinla
07-09-2012, 10:16 AM
Nadal will shut up the haters :)

Looks like Rosol did that for him.

Netspirit
07-09-2012, 10:18 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Go ahead, it's about time.

tudwell
07-09-2012, 10:21 AM
**** would have to die first before Fed takes the number 1 spot from him. Roger getting to number 2 is a sure bet though,and Murray will move up to the third spot with a good shot at taking the 2nd spot for himself.

So that's Djokovic looked flat in the semifinal. He was actually not a living, breathing human being.

sbengte
07-09-2012, 08:20 PM
And now, we finally get to see Tushar bald and in the nude. Groovy.

On second thoughts, probably not... :?

If this were to happen, someone post a warning please for the unsuspecting lot who click on this thread.

dudeski
07-13-2012, 07:22 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Where are those pics!!!!

Sentinel
07-13-2012, 10:23 AM
Fred certainly shocked all his haters and detractors who were persecuting anyone who dared even hope he would win a slam or return to #1.

Thankfully, a lot of us stood by Project 17.

Semi-Pro
07-13-2012, 10:25 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Pictures please.......

ZeroSkid
07-13-2012, 10:32 AM
Nadal will continue to spank Federer

Mustard
07-13-2012, 10:44 AM
Nope, I would say Fed shut up the haters ;)

Looks like Rosol did that for him.

7 French Open titles, my friends. Read it and weep :)

Congrats to Federer on getting back to number 1, by the way.

oy vey
07-13-2012, 10:58 AM
Actually JMac said during the final that Henman was probably rooting for Fed. He said, Tim's human and would not want Murray to to what he hasn't been able to to. Tim also once called Murray "a miserable git."

Virginia Wade also called Murray a drama queen. Many English must not like Murray

stormholloway
07-13-2012, 11:17 AM
Actually JMac said during the final that Henman was probably rooting for Fed. He said, Tim's human and would not want Murray to to what he hasn't been able to to. Tim also once called Murray "a miserable git."

Virginia Wade also called Murray a drama queen. Many English must not like Murray

I think Murray's great. They hate him because he's Scottish. I think it's that simple.

jones101
07-13-2012, 11:25 AM
Henman is out of his mind if he thinks Federer is retaking #1

Federer will not return to #1 unless both Nadal and Djokovic spend alot of time injured. Both players are currently playing at a higher level than Federer more often than not these days. His age has caught up to him and that's mainly in the form of consistency at the highest levels. Sure Fed can and will out perform them on occasion, but its not going to be often enough to reach #1.

If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Can't see Federer getting back to number 1 at this stage of his career, unless Nadal and Djokovic both miss some majors with injuries and nobody else makes a move for the top.

It's as likely as Henman still winning Wimbledon.

Fedfans and assorted pundits were living in the same lala land last year at this time after he'd managed to win a couple of indoor tourneys. Bet if you went back in the archives you'd find the same threads and the same comments from the same dreamers. Fed won't be #1 again unless Novak and Rafa and Andy, and even Jo and Tomas, are all injured and miss some big tournaments.

The only way he can return to no.1 is by hiring Djoker's ex-doctor and going gluten free.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSV8MhIJwN0XVLXl_Ty9WeVnZZHN51vM les8DunEyVW3SxThrhw3js20TJl

Agassifan
07-13-2012, 11:35 AM
Nadal will continue to spank Federer

In weeks at #2

SLD76
07-13-2012, 11:40 AM
The bakery is open, fresh made humble pie, served daily.

DoubleDeuce
07-13-2012, 11:42 AM
Henman and Newcombe must be smoking some hard stuff.

Fed can win an additional slam(or maybe even more) before he's done but I seriously doubt he's getting back to #1(and I doubt that's his priority either, he's not a dummy).

Sillyness Zagor.

You always try to appease Nadalites with your pessimism about Federer and ultra optimism for Nadal.

MG1
07-13-2012, 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by monfed View Post
Henman is out of his mind if he thinks Federer is retaking #1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAGrinch View Post
Federer will not return to #1 unless both Nadal and Djokovic spend alot of time injured. Both players are currently playing at a higher level than Federer more often than not these days. His age has caught up to him and that's mainly in the form of consistency at the highest levels. Sure Fed can and will out perform them on occasion, but its not going to be often enough to reach #1.
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Originally Posted by tusharlovesrafa View Post
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
Can't see Federer getting back to number 1 at this stage of his career, unless Nadal and Djokovic both miss some majors with injuries and nobody else makes a move for the top.
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Originally Posted by ViscaB View Post
It's as likely as Henman still winning Wimbledon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vernonbc View Post
Fedfans and assorted pundits were living in the same lala land last year at this time after he'd managed to win a couple of indoor tourneys. Bet if you went back in the archives you'd find the same threads and the same comments from the same dreamers. Fed won't be #1 again unless Novak and Rafa and Andy, and even Jo and Tomas, are all injured and miss some big tournaments.
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Originally Posted by sbengte View Post
The only way he can return to no.1 is by hiring Djoker's ex-doctor and going gluten free.


All time losers statements!!

and someone is still in FO hungover!!!!!!!!..Lol

Agassifan
07-13-2012, 01:28 PM
Exceptional thread.

SwissTennisBall
07-15-2012, 05:41 AM
**** would have to die first before Fed takes the number 1 spot from him. Roger getting to number 2 is a sure bet though,and Murray will move up to the third spot with a good shot at taking the 2nd spot for himself.

R.I.P Novak Djokovic

SwissTennisBall
07-15-2012, 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by monfed View Post
Henman is out of his mind if he thinks Federer is retaking #1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAGrinch View Post
Federer will not return to #1 unless both Nadal and Djokovic spend alot of time injured. Both players are currently playing at a higher level than Federer more often than not these days. His age has caught up to him and that's mainly in the form of consistency at the highest levels. Sure Fed can and will out perform them on occasion, but its not going to be often enough to reach #1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tusharlovesrafa View Post
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
Can't see Federer getting back to number 1 at this stage of his career, unless Nadal and Djokovic both miss some majors with injuries and nobody else makes a move for the top.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViscaB View Post
It's as likely as Henman still winning Wimbledon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vernonbc View Post
Fedfans and assorted pundits were living in the same lala land last year at this time after he'd managed to win a couple of indoor tourneys. Bet if you went back in the archives you'd find the same threads and the same comments from the same dreamers. Fed won't be #1 again unless Novak and Rafa and Andy, and even Jo and Tomas, are all injured and miss some big tournaments.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbengte View Post
The only way he can return to no.1 is by hiring Djoker's ex-doctor and going gluten free.


All time losers statements!!

and someone is still in FO hungover!!!!!!!!..Lol

What a sweet post

tennis_pro
07-15-2012, 05:58 AM
Don't forget Murray is one of the few players to have a positive H2H v Federer (8-6). Consequently if Murray is playing well, it won't be that easy a task for Federer to get past him.

8-8 now including a Wimbly final win.

Let's not kid ourselves, Federer would love to play Murray in a semi rather than Djokovic/Nadal.

tenniselbow1
07-15-2012, 06:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by monfed View Post
Henman is out of his mind if he thinks Federer is retaking #1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAGrinch View Post
Federer will not return to #1 unless both Nadal and Djokovic spend alot of time injured. Both players are currently playing at a higher level than Federer more often than not these days. His age has caught up to him and that's mainly in the form of consistency at the highest levels. Sure Fed can and will out perform them on occasion, but its not going to be often enough to reach #1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tusharlovesrafa View Post
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
Can't see Federer getting back to number 1 at this stage of his career, unless Nadal and Djokovic both miss some majors with injuries and nobody else makes a move for the top.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViscaB View Post
It's as likely as Henman still winning Wimbledon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vernonbc View Post
Fedfans and assorted pundits were living in the same lala land last year at this time after he'd managed to win a couple of indoor tourneys. Bet if you went back in the archives you'd find the same threads and the same comments from the same dreamers. Fed won't be #1 again unless Novak and Rafa and Andy, and even Jo and Tomas, are all injured and miss some big tournaments.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbengte View Post
The only way he can return to no.1 is by hiring Djoker's ex-doctor and going gluten free.


All time losers statements!!

and someone is still in FO hungover!!!!!!!!..Lol

what an epic thread and post.. Is this the complete list?? Please do not miss anyone:) Acknowledgments in order! Where are you people at??? ;) The doubters will be mindful concerning Fed i'm guessing from now on, making this thread even more special.

SLD76
07-15-2012, 06:59 AM
8-8 now including a Wimbly final win.

Let's not kid ourselves, Federer would love to play Murray in a semi rather than Djokovic/Nadal.

^^^ this, hence why this summer will be very interesting as the top 4 jockey for seeding position going into the USO.

Murray destroyed djoker in dubai, where the court was playing fast..I think he'd like his chances against him in a semi, vs a semi with fed/rafa. thus he has motivation to be number 1.

obviously djoker feels comfortable( recently) against fed in a semi, and being ranked number 1 is its own motivation...

fed would love to not face rafa in final, which being number one all but gaurantees. and if murray stays at 4, its a good chance he could avoid rafa alltogether, although I think fed would relish the chance to beat him at USO.

and rafa? the last thing he wants is djoker in a semi, much less a final.

sbengte
07-15-2012, 07:04 AM
The only way he can return to no.1 is by hiring Djoker's ex-doctor and going gluten free.

Would have been epic to see Igor do this from Fred's box this year after the semis. Too bad Fred didn't need his services to get to #1.

http://pds22.egloos.com/pds/201105/16/74/c0021374_4dd08014b5d39.gif

psYcon
07-15-2012, 07:05 AM
If federer becomes No.1 again then I will get bald and strip my clothes and post nude pictures of myself in this thread..

Well?

10 char

joeri888
07-15-2012, 07:24 AM
Well?

10 char
Paytime it is then