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TwistServe
07-16-2005, 02:20 PM
Which group is juicing the most? Anabolics, clenbuteral, HGH, etc.

Americans
Argentines
Russians
Spaniards

newnuse
07-16-2005, 02:25 PM
What about the French, I'll vote for them just because I can't stand 'em

TwistServe
07-16-2005, 05:52 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=reu-davisaustraliarelations_pict&prov=reuters&type=lgns

federerhoogenbandfan
07-16-2005, 06:00 PM
I voted Argentina. I dont think any of those other countries dope more than the occasional culprit.

tennissavy
07-16-2005, 07:38 PM
I voted Argentina. I dont think any of those other countries dope more than the occasional culprit.
I agree about Argentina but not slu1skaya. If she wins olympic gold, it will be due to crooked judging not good skating. BTW, every time she prepares for a jump, she telegraphs it with a long mechanical setup which under the new rules is an automatic deduction. However, at the recent world championships she was not deducted!! Favoritism is still alive in skating and that is a shame. The new judging system has not made things more fair to the skaters. I don't care for Kwan too much but she has a better balance of technical and artistic merit than slu1skaya. Tara Lipinski was the best female skater, ever.

gugafanatic
07-16-2005, 07:45 PM
Argentina- Coria, Puerta and potentially Canas.

TwistServe
07-16-2005, 08:05 PM
Argentina- Coria, Puerta and potentially Canas.

That's just their top players.. who knows who else has been juicing!

akj27
07-16-2005, 08:24 PM
dont forget gaudio

gugafanatic
07-16-2005, 08:27 PM
Juan Ignacio Chela has also tested positive for banned substances. Chela was suspended for three months, Coria for seven

lagranwilly
07-17-2005, 02:25 PM
Roddick,Nadal and Agassi seem to juice up...they just are too good for the buisness so they will never came up as positive,the marketing for the atp is important.This guys can when nuts with drugs but they will never appear to get dope
Also I think they tell them when they are going to test them,so they take care of the dates they consume

Grimjack
07-17-2005, 03:18 PM
Americans have the single most glaring example of a chemical abuser, so they get my vote. (Although she may be off, now -- and of course so is her game, as a result.)

tricky nicky
07-17-2005, 03:22 PM
initials perhaps grimjack?

for the poorly informed amongst me

federerhoogenbandfan
07-17-2005, 06:03 PM
I agree about Argentina but not slu1skaya. If she wins olympic gold, it will be due to crooked judging not good skating. BTW, every time she prepares for a jump, she telegraphs it with a long mechanical setup which under the new rules is an automatic deduction. However, at the recent world championships she was not deducted!! Favoritism is still alive in skating and that is a shame. The new judging system has not made things more fair to the skaters. I don't care for Kwan too much but she has a better balance of technical and artistic merit than slu1skaya. Tara Lipinski was the best female skater, ever.

Well you are entitled your own views, and I respectfully disagree with every single one. :) S1utskaya was given a bit of a gift in the short program at Worlds, but her qualifying was the best of a rocky group of performances, and in the long she plain kicked butt with an explosive 7-triple performance, minor nitpicking flaws aside, while Kwan's mediocre 4-triple performance did not even come close and rightfully was awarded only a 4th place finish. She sets up her jumps a bit much, but I think you exaggerate it, and the automatic deduction part I also am unaware of, if that was the case I could list tons of past champions who also were not, so that is nothing new.

As for Tara Lipinski, ROTFL!!!! Tiny jumps, flutzed and incorrect edges on takeoffs, cheated landings, immature style, ugly positions, so so spins and footwork, way way overrated, dont miss her at all.

Rabbit
07-17-2005, 07:05 PM
At this point in the conversation, I think it appropriate to defer to what Chris Rock said about figure skating.

tennissavy
07-17-2005, 10:55 PM
Well you are entitled your own views, and I respectfully disagree with every single one. :) S1utskaya was given a bit of a gift in the short program at Worlds, but her qualifying was the best of a rocky group of performances, and in the long she plain kicked butt with an explosive 7-triple performance, minor nitpicking flaws aside, while Kwan's mediocre 4-triple performance did not even come close and rightfully was awarded only a 4th place finish. She sets up her jumps a bit much, but I think you exaggerate it, and the automatic deduction part I also am unaware of, if that was the case I could list tons of past champions who also were not, so that is nothing new.

As for Tara Lipinski, ROTFL!!!! Tiny jumps, flutzed and incorrect edges on takeoffs, cheated landings, immature style, ugly positions, so so spins and footwork, way way overrated, dont miss her at all.
I can't go on too much because it is a tennis forum but just to set the record straight: You are only citing one competition, last year's worlds. Kwan sucked. I know. The telegraphing of jumps rule was recently enacted in the last couple of years, before then it was legal to setup for a jump from across the rink if you wanted. However, ever since it was decided that you would be deducted each time you telegraphed a jump most skaters made the adjustment but ****skaya did not. She was not penalized and that's the fault of the crooked judges, no surprise there. Lipinski was deducted for minor "flutzing" and was still superior to everyone in the olympics. BTW only her double axel was tiny. Her other jumps had good amplitude and she did many many more difficult combinations than anyone else. ****skaya does not attempt triple loop, triple loop for example. Lipinski was an excellent spinner. ****skaya cannot do a proper layback spin with the free foot parallel to the ice. Her foot hangs down and when she does that awkward trademark combination spin, she is several levels lower than Denise Biellmann in quality and to top it off, her last element in that combination spin is the world's worst and slowest scratch spin ever. She is extremely robotic and usually does not skate to the music. Listen to Dick Button's commentary on her and you will be enlightened. He knows a thing or two about skating being a two time olympic gold medalist and the first person to complete a triple jump(loop), first double axel, invented the flying camel spin too. He has on several occasions pointed out that her combination spin is awkward, her posture is quite bad even just stroking backward, she's too mechanical, telegraphs jumps and does not feel the music. He even called her "a mess". We are all entitled to our likes and dislikes but take it from a skater, ****skaya is far below Yamaguchi, Lipinski, Hughes and many others competiting now. The judging in the sport has not improved much if at all. Anyway, I know you have a thing for her and think she is great but I just had to say something about what you had written about her and Kwan. I couldn't hold it in. In a nutshell, ****skaya is far from the best and if she wins an olympic gold medal it will be because of biased judging just like the judging that gave Baiul the gold medal despite her two-footed landings, bobbles, lack of technical content, etc. I am not a Kwan fan either. However, she is very artistic, can do the jumps but needs to do harder combination jumps to compete these days. That lack of technical difficulty enabled Lipinski and Hughes to soar above her at two olympics and obtain gold.
In any case, the Argentines are probably the most into performance enhancing drugs.

lagranwilly
07-18-2005, 06:11 AM
Agassi and Nadal singularly
americans in general
the atp favour them

norcal
07-18-2005, 06:52 AM
At this point in the conversation, I think it appropriate to defer to what Chris Rock said about figure skating. I'll bite, what did he say? I know lots of his bits but don't recall figure skating.