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Homeboy Hotel
12-17-2011, 04:02 PM
Has it ever happened? I'm sure it has - any idea what, when, where, who?

Mainad
12-17-2011, 04:20 PM
I believe that Guillermo Coria held 2 championship points in the 5th set of his final against Gaston Gaudio at the 2004 FO but still went on to lose.

Andres
12-17-2011, 05:24 PM
I believe that Guillermo Coria held 2 championship points in the 5th set of his final against Gaston Gaudio at the 2004 FO but still went on to lose.
Indeed. I was about to say Safin - Federer, but that was the SF :P

Hood_Man
12-17-2011, 05:29 PM
I believe that Guillermo Coria held 2 championship points in the 5th set of his final against Gaston Gaudio at the 2004 FO but still went on to lose.

Isn't this the only time it happened in the Open Era?

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beast of mallorca
12-17-2011, 07:48 PM
Isn't this the only time it happened in the Open Era?

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joeri888
12-17-2011, 08:18 PM
Roddick (W09), Federer (W08, USO09) came within two points of victory, but Coria was defenitely the last one to waste championship points.

RCizzle65
12-17-2011, 08:27 PM
Roddick (W09), Federer (W08, USO09) came within two points of victory, but Coria was defenitely the last one to waste championship points.

I don't think Roddick was ever two points away, remember he was serving second in the last set, and Federer won it right away after he broke Roddick without having to serve it out. Roddick did have a couple break points in the last set I believe.

mattennis
12-19-2011, 02:30 AM
As far as I remember, Coria-Gaudio is the only one Grand Slam Final where the loser had one or more match-points (In the Open Era).

Carsomyr
12-19-2011, 02:51 AM
I don't think Roddick was ever two points away, remember he was serving second in the last set, and Federer won it right away after he broke Roddick without having to serve it out. Roddick did have a couple break points in the last set I believe.

Roddick had at least one "virtual" match point (which I personally think is nonsense), in that he had break points against Federer.

MichaelNadal
12-19-2011, 02:55 AM
As far as I remember, Coria-Gaudio is the only one Grand Slam Final where the loser had one or more match-points (In the Open Era).

It's insane that this hasn't happened more often o_O

Sentinel
12-19-2011, 04:45 AM
Roddick had at least one "virtual" match point (which I personally think is nonsense), in that he had break points against Federer.
Yeah, I remember, long back in 2011, Roger had virtual matchpoints in the first set against Nadal at RG, but yeah, i think VMP's are nonsense, too. ;)

stringertom
12-19-2011, 04:46 AM
It's insane that this hasn't happened more often o_O

Also amazing is there hasn't been a decisive TB in a championship match @ the USO.

Nathaniel_Near
12-19-2011, 04:47 AM
It's insane that this hasn't happened more often o_O

It is ridiculous; incomprehensible! The odds are so good for this to happen that I'm surprised it hasn't occurred at least once every other year, to be Benjamin Franklin.

vive le beau jeu !
12-19-2011, 06:21 AM
As far as I remember, Coria-Gaudio is the only one Grand Slam Final where the loser had one or more match-points (In the Open Era).
seems you're right (http://tennis28.com/slams/saved_matchpoint.html) !

it also happened several times in the pre-open era:

AO 1927: Gerald Patterson, 5 against John Hawkes
AO 1947: Dinny Pails, 1 against John Bromwich
AO 1960: Rod Laver, 1 against Neale Fraser

RG 1927: Rene Lacoste, 2 against Bill Tilden
RG 1934: Gottfried von Cramm, 1 against Jack Crawford

W 1927: Henri Cochet, 6 against Jean Borotra
W 1948: Bob Falkenburg, 3 against John Bromwich

USO 1936: Fred Perry, 2 against Don Budge

(poor Bromwich !)

joeri888
12-19-2011, 06:27 AM
AO 2012

Murray holds 6 matchpoints in a fourth set tiebreak leading 6-0 to Verdasco, yet ends up losing.

DjokovicForTheWin
12-19-2011, 06:57 AM
Yeah but did the loser of the match ever have match point subsequent to the opponent?

Mustard
12-19-2011, 07:25 AM
Isn't this the only time it happened in the Open Era?

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It's the only time in the open era that a player in the men's singles has had CPs and lost, yes. Coria twice served for the 2004 French Open title at 5-4 and 6-5 in the fifth set, being broken to love in the former and had 2 CPs in the latter where he was narrowly wide of the line with two attempted winners. Coria did everything in that match but actually win it.

Roddick had at least one "virtual" match point (which I personally think is nonsense), in that he had break points against Federer.

It was at 8-8 in the fifth set of that 2009 Wimbledon final, if I remember rightly, when Federer was serving and was down 15-40. Had Roddick broken there, he'd have served for the title, having not been broken in the entire match at that stage.

Mainad
12-19-2011, 09:42 AM
AO 2012

Murray holds 6 matchpoints in a fourth set tiebreak leading 6-0 to Verdasco, yet ends up losing.

Think you may have got these two mixed up. Losing from winning positions is more Verdasco's speciality, not Murray's.

Tanya
12-20-2011, 10:51 AM
Lindsay had Championship point against Venus in the second set of the 2005 Wimbledon final and ended up losing the match in 3 sets.

single_handed_champion
12-20-2011, 11:40 AM
Lindsay had Championship point against Venus in the second set of the 2005 Wimbledon final and ended up losing the match in 3 sets.

No, she had CP at 5-4 in the 3rd set. Did serve for the match at 6-5 in the second but was broken to love, I think.

aphex
12-20-2011, 11:45 AM
AO 2012

Murray holds 6 matchpoints in a fourth set tiebreak leading 6-0 to Verdasco, yet ends up losing.

That's absurd. Verdasco cannot be out-choked.

Mustard
12-20-2011, 12:01 PM
That's absurd. Verdasco cannot be out-choked.

Verdasco's match with Tipsarevic at the 2011 Australian Open says otherwise.

Tanya
12-21-2011, 01:37 PM
No, she had CP at 5-4 in the 3rd set. Did serve for the match at 6-5 in the second but was broken to love, I think.

Eh close enough (it's been a couple years), the point still stands that she had a championship point and eventually lost the match.

Fugazi
12-21-2011, 02:05 PM
It's the only time that a player in the men's singles has had CPs and lost, yes. Coria twice served for the 2004 French Open title at 5-4 and 6-5 in the fifth set, being broken to love in the former and had 2 CPs in the latter where he was narrowly wide of the line with two passing shots. Coria did everything in that match but actually win it.



It was at 8-8 in the fifth set of that 2009 Wimbledon final, if I remember rightly, when Federer was serving and was down 15-40. Had Roddick broken there, he'd have served for the title, having not been broken in the entire match at that stage.
I don't think it was two passing shots, I remember him trying a DTL winner on at least one occasion, if not both match points.

Mustard
12-21-2011, 04:00 PM
I don't think it was two passing shots, I remember him trying a DTL winner on at least one occasion, if not both match points.

Sorry, my mistake. The first CP saw Coria try a backhand winner down the left sideline and narrowly miss it wide, and the second CP saw Coria try a forehand winner down the right sideline and narrowly miss it wide. I thought Gaudio was closer into the court, but having just rewatched those Coria CPs, Gaudio was behind the baseline both times.

halalula1234
12-21-2011, 07:21 PM
2005 wimbledon.. venus and lindsay