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TennezSport
12-20-2011, 07:40 AM
Looking for protection once again, shamefull!

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Federer-And-Nadal-At-Odds-over-Proposed-Two-Year-R.aspx

luvly
12-20-2011, 08:07 AM
There is already a system in place for injured players. They can use their previous ranking to gain automatic entrance into four tournaments when they come back that they can not get into due to their ranking. In addition to this top of the line players like del potro are given wild cards and are not forced to play qualies.

joeri888
12-20-2011, 08:07 AM
The more I think of this, the more I'm with Federer on this one. Tennis should not just be fair, but more so interesting. A guy like Djokovic would not have been no. 1 right now would be a shame. It makes it interesting that a guy like Delpo has to claw his way back, that Djoko can play 5 or 6 good tournaments and suddenly be no. 1. Besides, after a bad year with injuries it now takes TWO years to lose those lack of points again.

No, I like it this way.

DjokovicForTheWin
12-20-2011, 08:10 AM
So under a two year ranking system even with the season Djoker had in 2011, Nadal would still be ranked #1. Now we see what's really going on. Has nothing to do with protecting guys from injury. Plus it would make weeks at #1 records meaningless if they adopted the inane 2 year system.

Sentinel
12-20-2011, 08:24 AM
A ranking system that favors players who can only stay healthy for half the year, instead of players who stay healthy throughout the year !!!

Rafa, this is too good :D

Are we trying to encourage players to bust their guts and risk injury this way ???

TheMusicLover
12-20-2011, 08:40 AM
Ridiculous, but already discussed in another thread as far as I know.
Rafa should really know better than to come up with **** like that.

snowpuppy
12-20-2011, 08:40 AM
From a spectator's stand point, I agree with Fed. First off, it is suppose to be hard to stay at number one. In the past years we've been so use to long periods of domination that I guess the players themselves start thinking that should be a normal thing. But for us, how many have already bored of the same late tournament match ups and cry for some new blood. If the player get more help through this 2 yr system, we are going to see pretty much the same standings for a long time and eventually to a point where the rankings don't even matter much because it will be so stale.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 08:41 AM
That means Nadal would NEVER have been #1. Federer despite losing RG and Wimby in 2008 and many other tournaments would still have been #1. :lol:
Nadal is a joke! He brings this up now as opposed to back then when he was clawing for the #1 ranking.

Talker
12-20-2011, 08:44 AM
Players can take time off if they want and lose a few ranking points.

If they decide to sacrifice their bodies for points then they pay the price.
If they have poor scheduling they pay the price.

They all know that so the real reason is to stay near the top, not a good reason and the ones who listen to their bodies and schedule with intelligence lose this advantage.

nadalwon2012
12-20-2011, 08:56 AM
Nadal would be ranked number one right now under the 2 year ranking system.

Cup8489
12-20-2011, 08:58 AM
Nadal would be ranked number one right now under the 2 year ranking system.

And that hasn't been said multiple times in this thread already. Thanks for the unbelievable insight.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 08:59 AM
Nadal would be ranked number one right now under the 2 year ranking system.

He only gives a crap about himself. Boo Hoo, big bad bully Djokovic took his beloved #1 ranking and now poor Rafa wants to change the rules! :cry:

TMF
12-20-2011, 08:59 AM
Nadal would be ranked number one right now under the 2 year ranking system.

Right. That's why he wants the 2 year system because it benefitted him the most, especially when he's getting older. Pretty selfish guy.

CDestroyer
12-20-2011, 09:03 AM
Typical class and good sportsmanship from Federer.

Typical crude selfishness from the Paleolithic baboon.

Is it a suprise really?

nadalwon2012
12-20-2011, 09:05 AM
Nadal has really got inside the head of his haters, this is fun :D

TheMusicLover
12-20-2011, 09:05 AM
Players can take time off if they want and lose a few ranking points.

If they decide to sacrifice their bodies for points then they pay the price.
If they have poor scheduling they pay the price.

They all know that so the real reason is to stay near the top, not a good reason and the ones who listen to their bodies and schedule with intelligence lose this advantage.

Exactly.
It all comes down to proper scheduling, even when there are perhaps too many mandatory tournaments (btw, both Federer and Nadal are allowed to skip one extra mandatory masters tournament, as both of them have played more than 600 matches at ATP level, so there you go!).

It would be a disgrace to all upcoming younger players, as well as to those coming back from an injury. The only ones who would benefit are the top dogs - as if they don't get enough benefits already (easier draws, byes).

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Rafa, please stop talking out of your *****.

TheMusicLover
12-20-2011, 09:07 AM
Nadal has really got inside the head of his haters, this is fun :D

Do you have a holy worshipping altar for him at home, or do you realize that he's still just a human guy who once in a while talks BS like all of us?

You do not have to be a 'hater' to recognize that he's completely off on this matter.

nadalwon2012
12-20-2011, 09:09 AM
Do you have a holy worshipping altar for him at home, or do you realize that he's still just a human guy who once in a while talks BS like all of us?

You do not have to be a 'hater' to recognize that he's completely off on this matter.

Oh, so the entire golf ranking system is BS? :lol:

DjokovicForTheWin
12-20-2011, 09:10 AM
Oh, so the entire golf ranking system is BS? :lol:

Golf isn't a sport. It's a leisure activity for old ladies and porn addicts.

Cup8489
12-20-2011, 09:11 AM
Oh, so the entire golf ranking system is BS? :lol:

Golf is not tennis. We're talking about tennis. Who cares about the golf ranking system.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 09:12 AM
Nadal has really got inside the head of his haters, this is fun :D

He brought this up when he lost his #1 ranking. He should pick his spots a little better when asking for change. :lol:
He's also the same guy who said there are too many hardcourt events. It hurts his knees. No other player ever had an issue with hardcourts except him.
Come on Nadal. Help us help you! Talk sense! :)

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 09:15 AM
Oh, so the entire golf ranking system is BS? :lol:

*********won2012, this ain't golf. Players actually break a sweat playing tennis you know. :lol:
If Nadal likes the 2 year ranking system, he should go into golf instead. I heard he's quite good actually. Might have a bright future.

batz
12-20-2011, 09:16 AM
I'm with SexiRog on this one - a 12 month ranking is just dandy.

TMF
12-20-2011, 09:31 AM
When Roger lost his #1 in 2008 Nadal didn't demand a 2 year system, which would have Roger remain at #1.

His selfishness is a reason why he never won the ATP Fan Favorite award.

DjokovicForTheWin
12-20-2011, 09:39 AM
Nadal would never have achieved the #1 ranking under the system wants.

Carsomyr
12-20-2011, 09:39 AM
Oh, so the entire golf ranking system is BS? :lol:

Tiger Woods was ranked #1 as late as October 2010 despite not having won a major since June 2008, and despite not having won a tournament since September 2009. Yeah, I'd call that a joke.

Also, golf is an entirely different "sport" than tennis. Rankings aren't nearly as important; there's no real difference in being 1 or 50 for the majority of tournaments, aside from the prestige factor.

TMF
12-20-2011, 09:44 AM
Tiger Woods was ranked #1 as late as October 2010 despite not having won a major since June 2008, and despite not having won a tournament since September 2009. Yeah, I'd call that a joke.

I feel sorry for the players who won the majors when Tiger was almost nonexistent, who are worthy or being ranked higher than him.

Mustard
12-20-2011, 11:10 AM
Sorry Rafa, you are VERY wrong on this one. It's supposed to be very difficult to be at/near the top of the tennis world rankings.

tennis_pro
12-20-2011, 11:21 AM
So under a two year ranking system even with the season Djoker had in 2011, Nadal would still be ranked #1. Now we see what's really going on. Has nothing to do with protecting guys from injury. Plus it would make weeks at #1 records meaningless if they adopted the inane 2 year system.

Oh we can use the system at the end of 2012, this way we can protect Djokovic's no 1 position while Nadal would have to outperform Djokovic's 2011 season to get back to no 1. I think Rafito came a bit too late with his idea.:)

Crisstti
12-20-2011, 11:40 AM
Right. That's why he wants the 2 year system because it benefitted him the most, especially when he's getting older. Pretty selfish guy.

Except that he is not N 1 now. So just how would this help his be N 1 again?.

Anyway, wasn't this discussed already?.

He brought this up when he lost his #1 ranking. He should pick his spots a little better when asking for change. :lol:
He's also the same guy who said there are too many hardcourt events. It hurts his knees. No other player ever had an issue with hardcourts except him.
Come on Nadal. Help us help you! Talk sense! :)

I seem to remember Marcelo Ros complaining about that... or about the year ending with HC events.

Crisstti
12-20-2011, 11:46 AM
[...]Im not the only one who likes the two-year ranking. There are many other players who also do, and the two-year ranking has a clear side, which is to protect all players, not just the top ones. Its a protection for the players who are injured, that will not last until the end of their careers. Its true that when you get injured today with the one-year ranking you can go up faster, but you also have to comeback from No. 700 in the world, like what happened to (Juan Martin) Del Potro. Its more important not have to come back [from such allow ranking] and to play with less pressure when returning."

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=15421&zoneid=25

Hitman
12-20-2011, 11:53 AM
I hope it does not happen. The one year ranking is the accurate description of who is best, and it should stay that way.

sdont
12-20-2011, 12:00 PM
Somebody should explain to Nadal that under a 2-year ranking system, you need MORE time to get back to your ranking when you come back from injury, because your non-participating in events remains longer in your ranking points.

Not only is this a bad idea, it's a logic fail from Nadal.

Rhino
12-20-2011, 12:03 PM
Of course Nadal wants to tailor the ranking system and the schedule to meet his personal needs and style of play but it's a bit selfish in my opinion.

merlinpinpin
12-20-2011, 12:08 PM
Somebody should explain to Nadal that under a 2-year ranking system, you need MORE time to get back to your ranking when you come back from injury, because your non-participating in events remains longer in your ranking points.

Not only is this a bad idea, it's a logic fail from Nadal.

That's okay, getting back from injury is probably just an excuse anyway. The timing is all-important, and he's, of course, proposing this when it would enable him to recover the #1 without playing (he would have been more credible had he suggested it when this would have made him lose the #1 to Federer... fat chance of that happening, of course... ;))

Bad idea all the way, and that's putting it mildly. Not the kind of thing that will help his PR, that's for sure.

merlinpinpin
12-20-2011, 12:11 PM
As Nadal is basically allowed to use all the time in the world between points, coaching and 9-minute MTO's, should he get his wish with the 2-year ranking system, I guess he should then demand that:

A) All the tournament be played on clay (for the health of the players, of course)

B) All players have to play left-handed (for fairness' sake, of course)

:lol:

BeHappy
12-20-2011, 12:17 PM
He brought this up when he lost his #1 ranking. He should pick his spots a little better when asking for change. :lol:
He's also the same guy who said there are too many hardcourt events. It hurts his knees. No other player ever had an issue with hardcourts except him.
Come on Nadal. Help us help you! Talk sense! :)

Muster did.

Laurie
12-20-2011, 12:21 PM
Terrible idea! what is Nadal thinking?

Thankfully I don't think it's going to happen with players like Federer around. Just imagine if Nadal had the opportunity to make decisions....

CCNM
12-20-2011, 12:23 PM
*sigh* if Rafa is so concerned about injuries why doesn't he cut back his schedule or change his game? I tell you, he makes it hard to like him sometimes....

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 12:25 PM
Terrible idea! what is Nadal thinking?

Thankfully I don't think it's going to happen with players like Federer around. Just imagine if Nadal had the opportunity to make decisions....

Nobody takes into account what Nadal has to say about anything. He has no education. Why would anybody give a crap what he thinks? Basically Nadal should just shut up and do what he's paid to do and stop whining. :lol:

Mainad
12-20-2011, 12:49 PM
Would be interesting for a poll to be taken to see what the other players on the tour think about this!

Tend to think Roger has got this one right though. The upside is the drama and excitement of seeing the #1 player being overtaken by an on-fire rival within the space of a few months as Nadal was by Djokovic earlier this year. The downside is seeing Monfils and Almagro constantly moving into the top 10 every other week and then moving out again.

Xizel
12-20-2011, 01:03 PM
Everything coming from Nadal is a conspiracy now...

kishnabe
12-20-2011, 02:00 PM
As Nadal is basically allowed to use all the time in the world between points, coaching and 9-minute MTO's, should he get his wish with the 2-year ranking system, I guess he should then demand that:

A) All the tournament be played on clay (for the health of the players, of course)B)

All players have to play left-handed (for fairness' sake, of course)

:lol:

Don't worry his camp already bought that up asking 60 percent of the tour to be on clay. Reduce hardcourts.....Nadal says it less productive cause to injuries and is eady on the knees for everyone.

Mainad
12-20-2011, 02:08 PM
I guess he should then demand that:

A) All the tournament be played on clay (for the health of the players, of course)

And the healthiest places would be at Roland Garros and Monte Carlo of course! :)



B) All players have to play left-handed (for fairness' sake, of course)

:lol:

And should slow down their serves and forehands and never move from the baseline. That way they would never get too tired from all that running about and would protect their shoulders. After all, they should just look what happened to Djokovic when he didn't do that and take it as a warning! :wink:

djokovicgonzalez2010
12-20-2011, 02:15 PM
how Do People Like Him?!

Crisstti
12-20-2011, 03:20 PM
Sorry Rafa, you are VERY wrong on this one. It's supposed to be very difficult to be at/near the top of the tennis world rankings.

The two year ranking wouldn't make it less difficult, would it?, since it'd make it harder to get there.

Somebody should explain to Nadal that under a 2-year ranking system, you need MORE time to get back to your ranking when you come back from injury, because your non-participating in events remains longer in your ranking points.

Not only is this a bad idea, it's a logic fail from Nadal.

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Federer-And-Nadal-At-Odds-over-Proposed-Two-Year-R.aspx

“It's a protection for the players who are injured, that will not last until the end of their careers. It’s true that when you get injured today with the one-year ranking you can go up faster, but you also have to comeback from No. 700 in the world, like what happened to del Potro. It’s more important not have to come back [from such allow ranking] and to play with less pressure when returning,”

That's okay, getting back from injury is probably just an excuse anyway. The timing is all-important, and he's, of course, proposing this when it would enable him to recover the #1 without playing (he would have been more credible had he suggested it when this would have made him lose the #1 to Federer... fat chance of that happening, of course... ;))

Bad idea all the way, and that's putting it mildly. Not the kind of thing that will help his PR, that's for sure.

What are you talking about?, I'm sure no one is proposing that the two year ranking would affect the current rankings of players. :|

Terrible idea! what is Nadal thinking?

Thankfully I don't think it's going to happen with players like Federer around. Just imagine if Nadal had the opportunity to make decisions....

There would be a vote, wouldn't there?. It's not up to Rafa nor Fed.

roundiesee
12-20-2011, 03:20 PM
Problem with Nadal's suggestion is, where do you draw the line? A 2-year ranking system is better than a 1-year ranking system? How about 3 years or 4 years? Or a ranking system in perpetuity?
I'm a bit disappointed with Rafa for making this suggestion. Roger is right on this one. It would not be fair to the regular guys on the tour, and the top players should have the lower ranked players' concerns at heart if they sit on the council.

Carsomyr
12-20-2011, 03:42 PM
The two year ranking wouldn't make it less difficult, would it?, since it'd make it harder to get there.

It should be hard to get there, not stay there. I already gave the Tiger Woods example. He was #1 for TWO YEARS without winning a major, and a year without winning a tournament. Imagine that situation in tennis. Top level players don't need or deserve that level of protection.

Seriously, I don't know why you're defending his position on this. It's an incredibly stupid and self-serving idea. Even most of his more ardent fans on here think it's ridiculous.

Crisstti
12-20-2011, 04:01 PM
It should be hard to get there, not stay there. I already gave the Tiger Woods example. He was #1 for TWO YEARS without winning a major, and a year without winning a tournament. Imagine that situation in tennis. Top level players don't need or deserve that level of protection.

Shouldn't it be hard to both get there and stay there?. With a two year ranking, it'd be harder to get there than it it now, and it'd be easier to stay there than it is now.

Seriously, I don't know why you're defending his position on this. It's an incredibly stupid and self-serving idea. Even most of his more ardent fans on here think it's ridiculous.

I'm defending it not because I agree with it, but because of precisely that kind of comments. Just how is it stupid and/or self serving?. I don't think anyone has explained this.

veritech
12-20-2011, 04:10 PM
Shouldn't it be hard to both get there and stay there?. With a two year ranking, it'd be harder to get there than it it now, and it'd be easier to stay there than it is now.

precisely. it would be harder to get there than it is now, and it'd be easier to stay there than it is now. the top players don't nearly have to work as hard to stay atop the rankings while the lower ranked players would need to work even harder to climb up the rankings.

zagor
12-20-2011, 04:11 PM
I'm defending it not because I agree with it, but because of precisely that kind of comments. Just how is it stupid and/or self serving?. I don't think anyone has explained this.

Bad timing I guess? He's been vocal about it in a year in which he got overtaken by Novak.

If he was saying that(and maybe he was, I honestly don't remember) in 2008 when he overtook Fed I guess people wouldn't be saying he was self serving/selfish even if they disagreed with it.

Anyway, nothing against Nadal personally (I don't know his exact reasons for asking this) but I hope that 2 year ranking system never gets voted, it would be bad for the game IMO.

rommil
12-20-2011, 04:14 PM
I say drop Rafa's ranking to 200 so he can put in the very hard work with his warrior game and steely determination, so he can go to the top just in time for him to get injured and be protected by the very system he proposes. Give him the chance to try it out.

zagor
12-20-2011, 04:27 PM
I say drop Rafa's ranking to 200 so he can put in the very hard work with his warrior game and steely determination, so he can go to the top just in time for him to get injured and be protected by the very system he proposes. Give him the chance to try it out.

You forgot humble fighting spirit, humour and illusion.

rommil
12-20-2011, 04:32 PM
You forgot humble fighting spirit, humour and illusion.

His proposal MIGHT qualify for his humour and illusion.

Mustard
12-20-2011, 04:36 PM
The two year ranking wouldn't make it less difficult, would it?, since it'd make it harder to get there.

You misunderstand me. I'm saying that Nadal should recognise that it's supposed to be very hard to stay at the elite of the tennis world rankings, and that eventually, even the very best will fall down the rankings. The 2-year ranking would make it easier to stay at the top for longer, and that's wrong.

Crisstti
12-20-2011, 04:53 PM
precisely. it would be harder to get there than it is now, and it'd be easier to stay there than it is now. the top players don't nearly have to work as hard to stay atop the rankings while the lower ranked players would need to work even harder to climb up the rankings.

Yeah, I see your point, but even the high ranked players want to climb higher (it's the whole purpose of the whole thing) and it would be harder for them too. For everyone, except for the player currently N 1, and that player isn't Rafa.
Plus, while it'd be somewhat harder to climb up the rankings, it surely wouldn't be THAT much harder?. As I understand it, the points from the current season would still count for more. Thinking about what Fed said, about players having a break though tournament... when a player has a break though tournament, it's called a "breakthough" because it's the first time such player does so well, not the only time. That tournament should be a reflection on the player's new found level, which he should keep and therefore climb up the rankings anyway.

People say players who suffer injuries are already protected, but didn't del Potro have to play Novak in the third round of a slam this year?. Rafa, with all the injuries he's had, has never had such a drastic fall in the rankings...

If anything, in any case, the lower ranked players would be even more perjudiced by getting seriously injured and falling in the rankings.

Bad timing I guess? He's been vocal about it in a year in which he got overtaken by Novak.

If he was saying that(and maybe he was, I honestly don't remember) in 2008 when he overtook Fed I guess people wouldn't be saying he was self serving/selfish even if they disagreed with it.


I think it would be more reasonable to suspect self serving intentions in the later case, since then he would be protecting his N 1 ranking, while now he would just make it harder for him get it back.

You misunderstand me. I'm saying that Nadal should recognise that it's supposed to be very hard to stay at the elite of the tennis world rankings, and that eventually, even the very best will fall down the rankings. The 2-year ranking would make it easier to stay at the top for longer, and that's wrong.

Well, it would make it easier... for a while. Eventually the rankings would reflect the player's level anyway.

I agree it's a negative aspect of it though. But it seems to me it's got also positives and that the issue deserves some serious discussion, not what's going on here.

Fate Archer
12-20-2011, 05:02 PM
I'm defending it not because I agree with it, but because of precisely that kind of comments. Just how is it stupid and/or self serving?. I don't think anyone has explained this.

You misunderstand me. I'm saying that Nadal should recognise that it's supposed to be very hard to stay at the elite of the tennis world rankings, and that eventually, even the very best will fall down the rankings. The 2-year ranking would make it easier to stay at the top for longer, and that's wrong.

In addition to that, like Federer said, it would make it that much more difficult for a lesser ranked player to rise to the top positions, it would take multiple breakthroughs for them to climb the rankings.

That's why it's perceived as a self serving thing for Nadal to suggest that, because the main benefited would be the top ranked players, specially those inside the top 10. It doesn't help in the slightest that the only times that he mentioned such a ridiculous idea were from either when he was ranked or just lost his #1 position.

Also, it would make things stale, one of the most interesting aspects of the rankings is their volatility or how they change from time to time, giving room for players to immediately pursue better rankings or creating better opportunities for them to climb and seize positions.


Players already have plenty of protection in case they get injured, with the current system of protected rankings and Wildcard give aways. Anymore than that is just asking for too much.

Crisstti
12-20-2011, 05:09 PM
In addition to that, like Federer said, it would make it that much more difficult for a lesser ranked player to rise to the top positions, it would take multiple breakthroughs for them to climb the rankings.

That's why it's perceived as a self serving thing for Nadal to suggest that, because the main benefited would be the top ranked players, specially those inside the top 10. It doesn't help in the slightest that the only times that he mentioned such a ridiculous idea were from either when he was ranked or just lost his #1 position.

Also, it would make things stale, one of the most interesting aspects of the rankings is their volatility or how they change from time to time, giving room for players to immediately pursue better rankings or creating better opportunities for them to climb and seize positions.


Players already have plenty of protection in case they get injured, with the current system of procted rankings and Wildcards give aways. Anymore than that is just asking for too much.

It would make it more difficult for ALL players to climb up the rankings (other than the N 1 player).

There's the issue with the seedings with is not addressed now and which greatly perjudices players who've had serious injuries.

I agree though that it's fun how fast the rankings can move in the current system.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 05:13 PM
Basically Nadal is saying that he wants his good friend Novak Djokovic to still be #1 in 2013 if Djokovic defends ZERO of his points next year! :lol: :lol:
Djokovic is all for it I'm sure!

1970CRBase
12-20-2011, 05:13 PM
Kicking away the ladder after you've climbed up it.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 05:17 PM
Funny to see all the ***** getting jittery ahead of the AO season.:lol: What's the matter - nervous that Nadal is gonna win AO or the whole 2012 Gold Slam?:lol:

DragonBlaze
12-20-2011, 05:18 PM
In addition to that, like Federer said, it would make it that much more difficult for a lesser ranked player to rise to the top positions, it would take multiple breakthroughs for them to climb the rankings.

That's why it's perceived as a self serving thing for Nadal to suggest that, because the main benefited would be the top ranked players, specially those inside the top 10. It doesn't help in the slightest that the only times that he mentioned such a ridiculous idea were from either when he was ranked or just lost his #1 position.

Also, it would make things stale, one of the most interesting aspects of the rankings is their volatility or how they change from time to time, giving room for players to immediately pursue better rankings or creating better opportunities for them to climb and seize positions.

Exactly. It would be utterly boring. Not only do you have to look after the players, but also one has to think about the audience. I cannot think of a single reason a 2 year ranking system would be good for the audience.

I honestly don't get why anyone would want points earned 2 years ago to reflect the rankings as of now! Especially in a sport such as tennis where players only have 10 to 15 good years of playing. The system can work in golf since they can play for MUCH longer, but in tennis, I don't think so.

Fate Archer
12-20-2011, 05:21 PM
It would make it more difficult for ALL players to climb up the rankings (other than the N 1 player).

There's the issue with the seedings with is not addressed now and which greatly perjudices players who've had serious injuries.

I agree though that it's fun how fast the rankings can move in the current system.

You're still missing the point.

Of course, once a rule is set the rule applies for ALL players, but what was already brought up were some of the deeper implications of such a system, which again was covered by Fed when he said that in a system like that it would take something extraordinary for either of them (Federer, Nadal, Novak or even Murray) to lose their positions, and thus such a ranking would benefit them much more in the long run and prejudice the lesser ranked players who fight their way to claim better positions.

Such a system doesn't even deserve to be brought up, as there are special measures for dealing with falling rankings due to injuries, as already stated.

rommil
12-20-2011, 05:23 PM
Kicking away the ladder after you've climbed up it.

Rafa shouldn't kick the ladder. He will start complaining of leg pain, then take MTOs.....


Rafa should spend his off season resting or improving his serve and backhand, do things he can control , have a better chance of helping him keep his top ranking rather than opening his piehole saying something absurdly selfish.

sonicare
12-20-2011, 06:15 PM
Can someone do the math for 2008 and see whether rafa would have been able to overtake no.1 from roger on a 2 year ranking?

TopFH
12-20-2011, 06:26 PM
Funny to see all the ***** getting jittery ahead of the AO season.:lol: What's the matter - nervous that Nadal is gonna win AO or the whole 2012 Gold Slam?:lol:

Seriously, if I were you, I would be nervous that Djokovic is gonna win the AO and the Grand Slam.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 06:27 PM
Funny to see all the ***** getting jittery ahead of the AO season.:lol: What's the matter - nervous that Nadal is gonna win AO or the whole 2012 Gold Slam?:lol:

The old man has no shot. Almost 26, injury prone, and younger guys ready to take over. Go Tomic! :lol:

SoBad
12-20-2011, 06:31 PM
Seriously, if I were you, I would be nervous that Djokovic is gonna win the AO and the Grand Slam.

Nadal has a history of taking odd years off to rest and enjoy and come back ever stronger in the following even year. I am happy that Djokovic took advantage of Nadals 2011 absence, but I dont see that as a factor in 2012.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 06:34 PM
The old man has no shot. Almost 26, injury prone, and younger guys ready to take over. Go Tomic! :lol:

I wish Tomic all the best and I'm sure he'll win a match, as long as it doesn't go past his bedtime of 8pm.:lol: Nadal is a late bloomer whose early success was largely due to getting to beat up on talentless players like Fredeerer late in the slams.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 06:45 PM
Nadal has a history of taking odd years off to rest and enjoy and come back ever stronger in the following even year. I am happy that Djokovic took advantage of Nadals 2011 absence, but I dont see that as a factor in 2012.

Good luck to Nadal. Although age 25-26 is not quite the same as age 22-23 in the grueling game of tennis. Just sayin' ;)
Just remember who the younger man is between Nadal and Djokovic.:)

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 06:49 PM
I wish Tomic all the best and I'm sure he'll win a match, as long as it doesn't go past his bedtime of 8pm.:lol: Nadal is a late bloomer whose early success was largely due to getting to beat up on talentless players like Fredeerer late in the slams.

True but then again, Tomic also is 6 years younger than Nadal. He has a bright future. Just a little brash at times. He's practicing with Djokovic right now going into 2012. That's ideal for preparation for the new season I'd say.

AM95
12-20-2011, 06:50 PM
my question is, how can this even be on the table?

the tennis ranking system has been like this since its inception in the 70's (?) and i can't believe that they are going to just change it. being #1 wouldn't even matter anymore. this is nadal thinking for himself and not for the sport. the simple fact is, he needst to manage his schedule better (but he can't because he needs to play the entire clay court season to earn points), and if he has an injury, he should pull out of the tournament.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 06:51 PM
Good luck to Nadal. Although age 25-26 is not quite the same as age 22-23 in the grueling game of tennis. Just sayin' ;)
Just remember who the younger man is between Nadal and Djokovic.:)

Late bloomers like Nadal only get better throughout their 20s as they advance toward their prime. The medium-term bloomer Djokovic was lucky to snatch a couple of slams in the current non-Nadal year. If he keeps up he might win another slam (AO maybe) perhaps in 2013.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 06:52 PM
Nadal has a history of taking odd years off to rest and enjoy and come back ever stronger in the following even year. I am happy that Djokovic took advantage of Nadal’s 2011 absence, but I don’t see that as a factor in 2012.

I love how you put that. :lol: taking time off to rest and enjoy the odd years! :lol:
"Yeah, I'll play my ***** off to make the Wimbledon and U.S Open Final but since this is an odd year, I think I'll just rest and enjoy myself and ditch these finals and instead come back next year and win it. :lol:

SoBad
12-20-2011, 06:58 PM
True but then again, Tomic also is 6 years younger than Nadal. He has a bright future. Just a little brash at times. He's practicing with Djokovic right now going into 2012. That's ideal for preparation for the new season I'd say.

Djokovic is injured and past prime, nobody wants to practice with him or Tomic anymore, but they are lucky to have each other, I am very happy for them. True, overhyped Tomic is younger than great Nadal, but great Nadal is a late bloomer and overhyped Tomic is an early bloomer whose career is basically over, unless his publicist gets him to drive a pink Corvette on beaches with a loud boom box.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 06:59 PM
Late bloomers like Nadal only get better throughout their 20s as they advance toward their prime. The medium-term bloomer Djokovic was lucky to snatch a couple of slams in the current non-Nadal year. If he keeps up he might win another slam (AO maybe) perhaps in 2013.

Not sure about that. He's going through the same issues Federer was when Federer entered his late 20s. Lapses in focus, going astray on big points, losing the will to win, hanging his head at times when things got tight, folding badly in the latter parts of a match (USO 2011 4th set as an example). Serve no longer a big weapon, slight loss in speed, more injuries becoming a factor...
Nadal is a warrior but he's merely a human being. Nothing more.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:03 PM
I love how you put that. :lol: taking time off to rest and enjoy the odd years! :lol:
"Yeah, I'll play my ***** off to make the Wimbledon and U.S Open Final but since this is an odd year, I think I'll just rest and enjoy myself and ditch these finals and instead come back next year and win it. :lol:

Statistics and mathematics don't lie - they present solid facts, like them or not. In conjunction with a solid understanding of tennis, they present a complete picture of the situation.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:07 PM
Not sure about that. He's going through the same issues Federer was when Federer entered his late 20s. Lapses in focus, going astray on big points, losing the will to win, hanging his head at times when things got tight, folding badly in the latter parts of a match (USO 2011 4th set as an example). Serve no longer a big weapon, slight loss in speed, more injuries becoming a factor...
Nadal is a warrior but he's merely a human being. Nothing more.

The great talented handsome tennis genius Nadal has never had to deal with any of the issues that the overrated ugly hack psychopathic Frededer ever faced. Perhaps you will be more inclined to agree after Nadal wins the 2012 Gold Slam.

rommil
12-20-2011, 07:08 PM
Nadal has a history of taking odd years off to rest and enjoy and come back ever stronger in the following even year.


Then Rafa should advocate for protected rankings every other year.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:08 PM
Statistics and mathematics don't lie - they present solid facts, like them or not. In conjunction with a solid understanding of tennis, they present a complete picture of the situation.

Everything is also finite! Did they ever teach you that in your Math class, SoBad? :lol:

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:10 PM
Then Rafa should advocate for protected rankings every other year.

This sounds like a low-life tactic that your idol might pursue in such a situation. I am sure gentleman Nadal is above this.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:13 PM
The great talented handsome tennis genius Nadal has never had to deal with any of the issues that the overrated ugly hack psychopathic Frededer ever faced. Perhaps you will be more inclined to agree after Nadal wins the 2012 Gold Slam.

Well, I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of possibility that Nadal wins all 4 Slams and the Olympic Gold. I just think that with the emerging talent like Tomic along with the likes of Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Tsonga, Del Potro, and Ferrer in the draws (all have beaten Nadal in Slams by the way), life will not be so easy for Nadal.
I can barely recall the last time he was actually able to get through Murray and Djokovic back to back in a tournament to win a title. Think it was Monte Carlo 2009.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:14 PM
Everything is also finite! Did they ever teach you that in your Math class, SoBad? :lol:

Sounds like your math teacher left out the part about some things being infinite;) Don't worry - you might get to that once you are in secondary school;)

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:17 PM
Well, I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of possibility that Nadal wins all 4 Slams and the Olympic Gold. I just think that with the emerging talent like Tomic along with the likes of Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Tsonga, Del Potro, and Ferrer in the draws (all have beaten Nadal in Slams by the way), life will not be so easy for Nadal.
I can barely recall the last time he was actually able to get through Murray and Djokovic back to back in a tournament to win a title. Think it was Monte Carlo 2009.

And I also think there's a chance that Nadal won't win the 2012 Gold Slam. I merely cited that possibility as a potential reason for the recent trolling activism around the forums and this thread in particular. However, citing Tomic as a potential challenger is preposterous - I can think of dozens of the new guns who are far better, including Dimitrov, Donskoy, etc.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:19 PM
Sounds like your math teacher left out the part about some things being infinite;) Don't worry - you might get to that once you are in secondary school;)

Sorry, I should've said physical matter is finite. :lol: My bad.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:22 PM
And I also think there's a chance that Nadal won't win the 2012 Gold Slam. I merely cited that possibility as a potential reason for the recent trolling activism around the forums and this thread in particular. However, citing Tomic as a potential challenger is preposterous - I can think of dozens of the new guns who are far better, including Dimitrov, Donskoy, etc.

I don't know. I think you underrate Tomic. You may dislike his attitude but that guy has talent. And the second set of his AO match against Nadal shows there is a lot of talent there not to mention his performance at Davis Cup against Federer on grass. The kid is young still, very cocky, heck he even thinks Hewitt is not good enough to even bother training with. :lol:
But Tomic is bound to become a real threat and I think it can happen in 2012. Also, let's keep an eye on Dolgopolov.:)

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:22 PM
Sorry, I should've said physical matter is finite. :lol: My bad.

Unlike your previous statement (which was clearly false), this one is arguable. What is its purpose exactly - to bolster some past claim of yours that I have already refuted convincingly?:lol:

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:25 PM
Unlike your previous statement (which was clearly false), this one is arguable. What is its purpose exactly - to bolster some past claim of yours that I have already refuted convincingly?:lol:

You made a statement that Nadal omits odd years and becomes a big deal in even years. And then I said there is a difference between early 20s and late 20s for a tennis player and mentioned some proof (using Federer as an example) of players having more trouble physically and mentally as they get up into their late 20s.
I didn't even hit on the rivals and emerging young players yet with my argument. I assure you, NOTHING is decided by Nadal. Even year or odd year is irrelevant. Nadal is a person and people break down and make way for younger, stronger athletes.
It's evolution. It happens in all sports.:)

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:30 PM
You made a statement that Nadal omits odd years and becomes a big deal in even years. And then I said there is a difference between early 20s and late 20s for a tennis player and mentioned some proof (using Federer as an example) of players having more trouble physically and mentally as they get up into their late 20s.
I didn't even hit on the rivals and emerging young players yet with my argument. I assure you, NOTHING is decided by Nadal. Even year or odd year is irrelevant. Nadal is a person and people break down and make way for younger, stronger athletes.
It's evolution. It happens in all sports.:)

I heard what you said the first time, but you apparently missed the part where I replied. Perhaps you are right - the newborns of today are the real threats at the 2012 AO.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:32 PM
I heard what you said the first time, but you apparently missed the part where I replied. Perhaps you are right - the newborns of today are the real threats at the 2012 AO.

I'm not sure why you specifically pinpoint AO 2012 whereas I look at the entire calendar. :lol:
There is still a lot of tennis to be played after January you know. :lol:

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:36 PM
I'm not sure why you specifically pinpoint AO 2012 whereas I look at the entire calendar. :lol:
There is still a lot of tennis to be played after January you know. :lol:

That's true, as long as a baby born in December hits all the early developmental milestones, he'd have a better shot at Wimbledon at the ripe age of six months.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:39 PM
That's true, as long as a baby born in December hits all the early developmental milestones, he'd have a better shot at Wimbledon at the ripe age of six months.

:lol: Not sure about that. Just remember though, young Tomic did give Wimbledon champ Djokovic a good tussle in the quarterfinals. I also want to add that Nadal also had a hell of a time in his matches against young players Dodig and Golubev. There are threats throughout the draw. An off day could result in an upset.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 07:45 PM
:lol: Not sure about that. Just remember though, young Tomic did give Wimbledon champ Djokovic a good tussle in the quarterfinals. I also want to add that Nadal also had a hell of a time in his matches against young players Dodig and Golubev. There are threats throughout the draw. An off day could result in an upset.

Can we just drop Tomic from this discussion? Do you come from his Queenship or something? He is a Dokic type tragic figure who needs to quit tennis and write a book.

Nadal has faced some impossible draws in slams, I agree with you. Golubev is one of the most talented players on the tour, and it was very unlucky for Nadal to face him early in slams. Placed in the other half of the draw, Golubev would have beaten Fereder and Djokovic easily and Nadal wouldn't have had to play him until the final.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 07:53 PM
Can we just drop Tomic from this discussion? Do you come from his Queenship or something? He is a Dokic type tragic figure who needs to quit tennis and write a book.

Nadal has faced some impossible draws in slams, I agree with you. Golubev is one of the most talented players on the tour, and it was very unlucky for Nadal to face him early in slams. Placed in the other half of the draw, Golubev would have beaten Fereder and Djokovic easily and Nadal wouldn't have had to play him until the final.

Even Jesse Whitten turned up the heat when he had the spotlight against Djokovic at the U.S Open.:)
Also, it took a massive choke from Falla for Federer to get through that first round at Wimbledon.
Tomic is going to be tough also. Not many 19 year olds are coming around and taking sets off the big 4. A bit more time and seasoning and it's going to be a Tomic Triumph!
Also don't forget Tsonga. I anticipate more Tsong-sational victories over the top 4 in 2012.

SoBad
12-20-2011, 08:00 PM
Even Jesse Whitten turned up the heat when he had the spotlight against Djokovic at the U.S Open.:)
Also, it took a massive choke from Falla for Federer to get through that first round at Wimbledon.
Tomic is going to be tough also. Not many 19 year olds are coming around and taking sets off the big 4. A bit more time and seasoning and it's going to be a Tomic Triumph!
Also don't forget Tsonga. I anticipate more Tsong-sational victories over the top 4 in 2012.

You are on a downward slide now. Witten is not that good, but he is very motivated, because he is allowed to eat five double-cheeseburgers after every match win.

Tomic makes a sympathetic abuse victim, but not so impressive on the court. It was very clear when sickly undernourished injury-prone Kuznetsov demolished him in the jr w final.

Tsonga made a lucky slam final over unplaying Nadal in a weak year, I wouldn't expect another. I have to go out to sea to catch the snails for breakfast soon.

adamX012
12-20-2011, 08:04 PM
You are on a downward slide now. Witten is not that good, but he is very motivated, because he is allowed to eat five double-cheeseburgers after every match win..

Five double-cheeseburgers, are you kidding me? That's not very healthy at all. Is that true or make-up story?

SoBad
12-20-2011, 08:08 PM
Five double-cheeseburgers, are you kidding me? That's not very healthy at all. Is that true or make-up story?

I am sure Mike Sams can tell you all the details about his idol Witten's lifestyle.

Sentinel
12-20-2011, 08:29 PM
Then Rafa should advocate for protected rankings every other year.
Hey dude, where have you been ? These bugs are proliferating all over the forum !!!

Biscuitmcgriddleson
12-20-2011, 08:40 PM
Oh, so the entire golf ranking system is BS? :lol:

Can't compare the two. You don't compete against players in golf. You compete against the course, not your opponent.

purge
12-20-2011, 08:42 PM
i still wonder who the "other players" that support the 2 year ranking are. i have not heard anyone else speak up for it yet.

im starting to think nadal didnt talk to anyone but his buddies about it (like verdasco, lopez, etc) and they just agreed cause they didnt want to hurt his feelings.

really its got "bad idea" just written all over it. its inexplicable to me how nadal doesnt see this

rommil
12-20-2011, 08:59 PM
Hey dude, where have you been ? These bugs are proliferating all over the forum !!!

Just let them have their time esp after the DC. I think Vmoronique is still in a strappy jacket somewhere.

Mike Sams
12-20-2011, 09:02 PM
i still wonder who the "other players" that support the 2 year ranking are. i have not heard anyone else speak up for it yet.

im starting to think nadal didnt talk to anyone but his buddies about it (like verdasco, lopez, etc) and they just agreed cause they didnt want to hurt his feelings.

really its got "bad idea" just written all over it. its inexplicable to me how nadal doesnt see this

Ah come on. Can't be all bad. Djokovic can basically mail it in next year and still finish #1 if Nadal's request comes to fruition.:)

FlashFlare11
12-20-2011, 09:25 PM
Nadal has a history of taking odd years off to rest and enjoy and come back ever stronger in the following even year. I am happy that Djokovic took advantage of Nadals 2011 absence, but I dont see that as a factor in 2012.

Takes odd-years off? You lose credibility with every post you make.

He made somewhere around 9 finals this year, including the Wimbledon and US Open finals. He lost 6 of them to one person. You're telling me that this was an off year? Had he won those 6 matches, this would have been the best year of his career, probably even one of the best ever. He played extremely well this year, maybe even his best year performance-wise.

Nadal is a late-bloomer, right? I mean, if you consider 18 to be late, then, whatever.

Djokovic is past his prime? Djokovic is younger than Nadal, yet you think Nadal is in his prime and Djokovic isn't?

joeri888
12-20-2011, 10:16 PM
Doesn't the Delpo example actually show how wrong Rafa is here? Delpo did fine with the current ranking system. He needed a year to get back, but not because he lacked protection, but because his level isn't among the best of the world again yet. He is exactly at the ranking that his game warranted over the past year.

FlashFlare11
12-20-2011, 10:38 PM
Doesn't the Delpo example actually show how wrong Rafa is here? Delpo did fine with the current ranking system. He needed a year to get back, but not because he lacked protection, but because his level isn't among the best of the world again yet. He is exactly at the ranking that his game warranted over the past year.

I agree with you. Del Potro missed about a year, so naturally it took him a year to almost regain what he lost. Now, he's on the brink of breaking back into the top 10. This is how it should be. If we had a 2-year ranking, he might not have been knocked so far back down, but as a player, I would be frustrated trying so hard to get my ranking ahead of someone who's not even playing.

joeri888
12-20-2011, 11:07 PM
I agree with you. Del Potro missed about a year, so naturally it took him a year to almost regain what he lost. Now, he's on the brink of breaking back into the top 10. This is how it should be. If we had a 2-year ranking, he might not have been knocked so far back down, but as a player, I would be frustrated trying so hard to get my ranking ahead of someone who's not even playing.

And if youre injured for two years it takes even longer to get back!

Sentinel
12-21-2011, 12:53 AM
I say drop Rafa's ranking to 200 so he can put in the very hard work with his warrior game and steely determination, so he can go to the top just in time for him to get injured and be protected by the very system he proposes. Give him the chance to try it out.

You forgot humble fighting spirit, humour and illusion.
Rommil was away from the foarum, so missed out on the whole 'mental strength', 'humour' etc stuff.

Rommil is recovering from "debilitating rest", and should be fine in a bit. Rommil, your friend sureshs has had a bad cold, you might send him a bottle of brandy ;)

Sentinel
12-21-2011, 01:02 AM
Basically Nadal is saying that he wants his good friend Novak Djokovic to still be #1 in 2013 if Djokovic defends ZERO of his points next year! :lol: :lol:
Djokovic is all for it I'm sure!
Maybe Nadal can hang onto his #2 position. He knows he can't beat Nole. At least he can lose to Nole in finals, rather than in semis.

nadalwon2012
12-21-2011, 01:31 AM
Maybe Nadal can hang onto his #2 position. He knows he can't beat Nole. At least he can lose to Nole in finals, rather than in semis.

If Nadal goes and beats Djokovic at the AO and Roland Garros next year, posts like yours are going to be crucified like crazy :D and you'll never hear the end of it....

aphex
12-21-2011, 01:34 AM
If Nadal goes and beats Djokovic at the AO and Roland Garros next year, posts like yours are going to be crucified like crazy :D and you'll never hear the end of it....

What will your next username be Dullzila?:)

MG1
12-21-2011, 01:42 AM
Nadal would be ranked number one right now under the 2 year ranking system.

If 2 year ranking system was used then Fed had been no. 1 till wimbledon 2010 !!

niff
12-21-2011, 02:06 AM
i still wonder who the "other players" that support the 2 year ranking are. i have not heard anyone else speak up for it yet.


Murray did. Anything for his dear Rafa <3

Sentinel
12-21-2011, 03:24 AM
If Nadal goes and beats Djokovic at the AO and Roland Garros next year, posts like yours are going to be crucified like crazy :D and you'll never hear the end of it....
I don't mind that at all. This is a public forum and we all have a right to express our opinions, and so we should hear those of others too, without getting our knickers into a twist.

Luckily, if Nole wins, you'll be here under another username, so it doesn't matter, eh *** ?

nadalwon2012
12-21-2011, 04:15 AM
If 2 year ranking system was used then Fed had been no. 1 till wimbledon 2010 !!


Exactly. And Nadal would be number one right now. It evens out.

nadalwon2012
12-21-2011, 04:16 AM
I don't mind that at all. This is a public forum and we all have a right to express our opinions, and so we should hear those of others too, without getting our knickers into a twist.

Luckily, if Nole wins, you'll be here under another username, so it doesn't matter, eh *** ?

You've lost me.

Crisstti
12-21-2011, 06:31 AM
i still wonder who the "other players" that support the 2 year ranking are. i have not heard anyone else speak up for it yet.

im starting to think nadal didnt talk to anyone but his buddies about it (like verdasco, lopez, etc) and they just agreed cause they didnt want to hurt his feelings.

really its got "bad idea" just written all over it. its inexplicable to me how nadal doesnt see this

He's mentioned del Potro a couple times, so maybe he agrees about it? (though Rafa hasn't actually said he does).
I seem to remember Murray saying something about this... :confused:

Crisstti
12-21-2011, 06:37 AM
Takes odd-years off? You lose credibility with every post you make.

He made somewhere around 9 finals this year, including the Wimbledon and US Open finals. He lost 6 of them to one person. You're telling me that this was an off year? Had he won those 6 matches, this would have been the best year of his career, probably even one of the best ever. He played extremely well this year, maybe even his best year performance-wise.

Nadal is a late-bloomer, right? I mean, if you consider 18 to be late, then, whatever.

Djokovic is past his prime? Djokovic is younger than Nadal, yet you think Nadal is in his prime and Djokovic isn't?

I don't think he's being serious...

Doesn't the Delpo example actually show how wrong Rafa is here? Delpo did fine with the current ranking system. He needed a year to get back, but not because he lacked protection, but because his level isn't among the best of the world again yet. He is exactly at the ranking that his game warranted over the past year.

He would probably have done better at (some) of the slams if he hadn't had to play such high ranked players early on.

I agree with you. Del Potro missed about a year, so naturally it took him a year to almost regain what he lost. Now, he's on the brink of breaking back into the top 10. This is how it should be. If we had a 2-year ranking, he might not have been knocked so far back down, but as a player, I would be frustrated trying so hard to get my ranking ahead of someone who's not even playing.

Seems like it evens out to me.

If 2 year ranking system was used then Fed had been no. 1 till wimbledon 2010 !!

Are you sure?. Is this considering the points of both seasons as being worth the same?. Because I think that's not what's being proposed.

CDestroyer
12-21-2011, 06:41 AM
You've lost me.

NadalSlamKing, Bullz1lla, Nadallost2012, BeastofMallorca.

All the same massive banned troll.

Sentinel
12-21-2011, 07:02 AM
Exactly. And Nadal would be number one right now. It evens out.
It doesn't even out.

A ranking change would have changed the draw, and put Nole in Ralph's half. So Ralph would have got knocked out in the semis. Also no RG.

See ? Comprendo ?

beast of mallorca
12-21-2011, 07:08 AM
It doesn't even out.

A ranking change would have changed the draw, and put Nole in Ralph's half. So Ralph would have got knocked out in the semis. Also no RG.

See ? Comprendo ?

Is your crystal ball made in China ? Is it with high definition, Super amoled display ? Must be, huh.

purge
12-21-2011, 07:18 AM
even more so.. in a 2-year ranking delpo may have never even gotten up to where he was at the end of 09. id have to check the numbers but he may well have been ranked outside the top 10 at the USO altho he was clearly one of the best players during the 09 fall.

who knows.. he may not even have gotten to the final if he hadnt been ranked the way he was.

and now as people have already mentioned even after being out with injury for quite some time all he needed was a year of playing ok tennis and just slowly getting back his rhythm to be back at the brink of breaking back into the top 10.

what would have changed for him in a 2 year ranking? he wouldve started his comeback from somewhere well inside the top 100 instead of where he had to come back from. but whats the difference really? hes obviously not gonna play his best right away and he wont win tournaments from the start even had he still been ranked #20 or something.

so what would he have gained? i suppose hed actually rank lower right now in a 2-year ranking than he does in the 1-year ranking after the year hes had. in a 2-year ranking a player who played 2 seasons at around #20-30 would now rank above delpo since he would combine a #11 year with a year lost to injury.

gamesetmats
12-21-2011, 07:59 AM
Here's what I feel about the golf 2-year system after following golf for some years (posted in the previous thrread):

In golf they have a 2-year ranking with a coefficient so that the points earned 18 months ago count as 0.25 of their value, 12 months ago 0.5, 6 months ago 0.75 and so on... This system is very hard to follow for an average fan and the there are constant changes in top 10 because the most recent results count as whole and leads to sudden rises in rankings every week. This has lead to a situation where you don't have a "club of top 10" but top 50. I don't know would rafa&co want to use a system with a coefficient or not but the system in golf is definitely not worth of copying.
And Tiger woods collected so many points during 07-08 that he could basically have sat out the next season an still be #1 (or at least top 5)

Sentinel
12-21-2011, 08:24 AM
Here's what I feel about the golf 2-year system after following golf for some years (posted in the previous thrread):

In golf they have a 2-year ranking with a coefficient so that the points earned 18 months ago count as 0.25 of their value, 12 months ago 0.5, 6 months ago 0.75 and so on... This system is very hard to follow for an average
No way Rafa would be able to understand this. Too hard for him to follow/swallow, he'd choke on this and lose mental strength trying to wrap his head around coefficients.

"For him, it's complicated" , said Tio Toni.

merlinpinpin
12-21-2011, 08:28 AM
No way Rafa would be able to understand this. Too hard for him to follow/swallow, he'd choke on this and lose mental strength trying to wrap his head around coefficients.

"For him, it's complicated" , said Tio Toni.

And the humour would definitely gone from his game, alas... :(

nadalwon2012
12-21-2011, 09:25 AM
It is good that Del Potro would not have risen up the rankings so fast, and fallen so fast. It makes perfect sense to have a 2-year-ranking system. It gives the ranking more credibility, because it's based on staying power.

purge
12-21-2011, 10:16 AM
It is good that Del Potro would not have risen up the rankings so fast, and fallen so fast. It makes perfect sense to have a 2-year-ranking system. It gives the ranking more credibility, because it's based on staying power.

obviously not since staying power means actually keeping your level up continuously over the course of a season and in following years.
the 2-year ranking is in fact a means of covering a lack of staying power

nadalwon2012
12-21-2011, 11:19 AM
What does a one-year ranking do? Makes a player jump from 50 to the top 15 too quickly, based on just one slam semi. A player should have to do more than that to go from 50 to 15.

Rjtennis
12-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Rafa's comments are a joke. The only people that would support that plan would be players near the top of the rankings. A two year ranking system would make tennis a lot less interesting by not having much movement up and down the rankings. This is a selfish move by Rafa and I am glad Fed is looking out for the sports as a whole and not just himself.

Rjtennis
12-21-2011, 11:27 AM
And the humour would definitely gone from his game, alas... :(

So true. I doubt Rafa can add past the number of games in a set.

nadalwon2012
12-21-2011, 11:41 AM
Anyway, bottom line is, Nadal knows a lot more about tennis and professional sport than you, me, my mom, your mum, anyone (as evidenced by his autobiography which is one of the 2 most insightful tennis autobiographies in history). So if you don't agree with Nadal's plan....it's probably because you have overlooked something.

gregor.b
12-21-2011, 11:46 AM
Anyway, bottom line is, Nadal knows a lot more about tennis and professional sport than you, me, my mom, your mum, anyone (as evidenced by his autobiography which is one of the 2 most insightful tennis autobiographies in history). So if you don't agree with Nadal's plan....it's probably because you have overlooked something.

And about the only words he put in that are his signature. And maybe a Vamos or 2.

FlashFlare11
12-21-2011, 12:03 PM
Anyway, bottom line is, Nadal knows a lot more about tennis and professional sport than you, me, my mom, your mum, anyone (as evidenced by his autobiography which is one of the 2 most insightful tennis autobiographies in history). So if you don't agree with Nadal's plan....it's probably because you have overlooked something.

And what would you say is the reason we should disagree with Federer's proposal? I mean, he's been on the tour longer, played more matches, older, etc. For sure he is more qualified to make these decisions, no?

Mike Sams
12-21-2011, 12:10 PM
Anyway, bottom line is, Nadal knows a lot more about tennis and professional sport than you, me, my mom, your mum, anyone (as evidenced by his autobiography which is one of the 2 most insightful tennis autobiographies in history). So if you don't agree with Nadal's plan....it's probably because you have overlooked something.

With a 2 year ranking, if Djokovic decides to skip the entire 2012 season, it means Djokovic can still finish 2012 as #1 while everybody else including Nadal himself will still not get the #1 ranking. :lol:

Mike Sams
12-21-2011, 12:12 PM
Nadal is worried about his knees and his shoulder. His body is breaking down. That's why he wants the 2 year ranking. It will allow him more rest and less stress in knowing that he can still maintain a top 3 ranking when his body really starts giving him issues.

Hitman
12-21-2011, 12:15 PM
Nadal is worried about his knees and his shoulder. His body is breaking down. That's why he wants the 2 year ranking. It will allow him more rest and less stress in knowing that he can still maintain a top 3 ranking when his body really starts giving him issues.

I agree with this.

Legend of Borg
12-21-2011, 12:23 PM
And what would you say is the reason we should disagree with Federer's proposal? I mean, he's been on the tour longer, played more matches, older, etc. For sure he is more qualified to make these decisions, no?

It doesn't matter cause Rafa leads the H2H.

Remember, H2H is everything.

This makes Rafa smarter, older and much more experienced.

ImAGrinch
12-21-2011, 01:03 PM
What does a one-year ranking do? Makes a player jump from 50 to the top 15 too quickly, based on just one slam semi. A player should have to do more than that to go from 50 to 15.

If they modified the point structure of tournaments they could solve this problem.

Personally I think they should just double the points offered at RG so that Rafa can retain his #1 ranking that he prizes so much and be done with it.

Towser83
12-21-2011, 01:39 PM
He's mentioned del Potro a couple times, so maybe he agrees about it? (though Rafa hasn't actually said he does).
I seem to remember Murray saying something about this... :confused:

He might have done, Murray seems a great joiner in-er whnever someone is complaining about something, he always joins in. Unless it's Federer, then he'll say "nah, isn't a problem" :lol:

What does a one-year ranking do? Makes a player jump from 50 to the top 15 too quickly, based on just one slam semi. A player should have to do more than that to go from 50 to 15.

Erm if you win loads of titles you should be ranked accordingly. The calendar of events is over one year and so should be the ranking.

Anyway, bottom line is, Nadal knows a lot more about tennis and professional sport than you, me, my mom, your mum, anyone (as evidenced by his autobiography which is one of the 2 most insightful tennis autobiographies in history). So if you don't agree with Nadal's plan....it's probably because you have overlooked something.

hahaha great trolling. Federer also knows more then you my friend, and I bet Djokovic won't be wanting a 2 year system unless he starts doing really badly . And most other players probably don't want the change either. But nice try :lol:

Mustard
12-21-2011, 03:07 PM
Nadal is worried about his knees and his shoulder. His body is breaking down. That's why he wants the 2 year ranking. It will allow him more rest and less stress in knowing that he can still maintain a top 3 ranking when his body really starts giving him issues.

Even as a big Nadal fan, I say TOUGH! When it's time to decline, it's time to decline. That's what professional tennis is all about. Nadal has been in the top 5 since May 2005, so 6 and a half years, and has spent almost all of that time in the top 2 since getting there in July 2005, barring a few weeks in 2009 and much of the late winter/spring of 2010 (northern hemisphere).

MichaelNadal
12-21-2011, 03:19 PM
Even as a big Nadal fan, I say TOUGH! When it's time to decline, it's time to decline. That's what professional tennis is all about. Nadal has been in the top 5 since May 2005, so 6 and a half years, and has spent almost all of that time in the top 2 since getting there in July 2005, barring a few weeks in 2009 and much of the late winter/spring of 2010 (northern hemisphere).

Yep, if he wants it now, he's gotta fight. Just like everyone else has had to. He better bring the heat and the passion next year.

Mustard
12-21-2011, 03:27 PM
Yep, if he wants it now, he's gotta fight. Just like everyone else has had to. He better bring the heat and the passion next year.

Yes, I really hope so. He needs to knuckle down and get on with it, because every tennis player, even the greatest ones, will reach a point when they can't stay at the elite level anymore and will fall down the rankings. We saw this happen to Sampras from the start of 2001 onwards. Nadal, with his grinding of play, has done amazingly well to have stayed so high in the rankings for so long.

The problem is that he's used to being in the elite and desperately doesn't want to let that go, but it has to eventually. However, 2012 can still be an excellent year for him if he has the desire and his body holds up, so that is what he should focus on.

Mike Sams
12-21-2011, 03:36 PM
Yes, I really hope so. He needs to knuckle down and get on with it, because every tennis player, even the greatest ones, will reach a point when they can't stay at the elite level anymore and will fall down the rankings. We saw this happen to Sampras from the start of 2001 onwards. Nadal, with his grinding of play, has done amazingly well to have stayed so high in the rankings for so long.

The problem is that he's used to being in the elite and desperately doesn't want to let that go, but it has to eventually. However, 2012 can still be an excellent year for him if he has the desire and his body holds up, so that is what he should focus on.

I think what bothers Nadal is that it's not a Fedal show anymore. Nadal only had Federer to worry about. Now there are guys his own age who have made massive inroads and are just waiting to pounce. Djokovic is already there. Murray isn't that far behind, Del Potro and Tsonga may be close by. New rivalries have formed and it's starting to get pretty interesting now.:)

MichaelNadal
12-21-2011, 03:56 PM
Yes, I really hope so. He needs to knuckle down and get on with it, because every tennis player, even the greatest ones, will reach a point when they can't stay at the elite level anymore and will fall down the rankings. We saw this happen to Sampras from the start of 2001 onwards. Nadal, with his grinding of play, has done amazingly well to have stayed so high in the rankings for so long.

The problem is that he's used to being in the elite and desperately doesn't want to let that go, but it has to eventually. However, 2012 can still be an excellent year for him if he has the desire and his body holds up, so that is what he should focus on.

Exactly, he's 25, and more than capable of having a multiple slam year, especially with Wimby and Roland Garros, but Djokovic is at the HUNGRY stage and Nadal needs to get that hunger back, and enjoy the "suffering" again like he used to if he's gonna make it happen. It's all up to him, and if he has the mental energy to get that one more ball back like he used to, and make some playing style adjustments.

adamX012
12-21-2011, 06:21 PM
I am sure Mike Sams can tell you all the details about his idol Witten's lifestyle.

Thanks for telling me so. Don't forget to save me some sea snails with FedEx next day delivery service. Be safe while traveling in oversea.

Clarky21
12-21-2011, 06:32 PM
Exactly, he's 25, and more than capable of having a multiple slam year, especially with Wimby and Roland Garros, but Djokovic is at the HUNGRY stage and Nadal needs to get that hunger back, and enjoy the "suffering" again like he used to if he's gonna make it happen. It's all up to him, and if he has the mental energy to get that one more ball back like he used to, and make some playing style adjustments.


But he's 35 in tennis years,and I don't think he has the desire,motivation,or passion to do any of the things you suggest he do. Burnout can destroy a player and that is what looks to be happening to Nadal.

tusharlovesrafa
12-21-2011, 06:54 PM
Exactly, he's 25, and more than capable of having a multiple slam year, especially with Wimby and Roland Garros, but Djokovic is at the HUNGRY stage and Nadal needs to get that hunger back, and enjoy the "suffering" again like he used to if he's gonna make it happen. It's all up to him, and if he has the mental energy to get that one more ball back like he used to, and make some playing style adjustments.
Bro,I really love the way always you mention words such as"fight it out","hunger"and "eye of the tiger".I have always enjoyed reading your posts..It was untill unless last year that I watched rocky on T.V and immediately became it's fan.I have seen nearly every part of rocky around two-three times.I somehow was able to associate with the hardships that I have faced in my life and really enjoyed the thrills and spills in rocky's life.
I hope rafa can get back his fire..VAMOS!!

SoBad
12-21-2011, 07:27 PM
Takes odd-years off? You lose credibility with every post you make.

He made somewhere around 9 finals this year, including the Wimbledon and US Open finals. He lost 6 of them to one person. You're telling me that this was an off year? Had he won those 6 matches, this would have been the best year of his career, probably even one of the best ever. He played extremely well this year, maybe even his best year performance-wise.

Nadal is a late-bloomer, right? I mean, if you consider 18 to be late, then, whatever.

Djokovic is past his prime? Djokovic is younger than Nadal, yet you think Nadal is in his prime and Djokovic isn't?

The late-bloomer Nadal lost a few matches to the early-midterm bloomer Djokovic in the Nadal off odd year. Is that too much for you to grasp, you disingenuous unknowledgeable newly registered poster?

FlashFlare11
12-21-2011, 07:38 PM
The late-bloomer Nadal lost a few matches to the early-midterm bloomer Djokovic in the Nadal off odd year. Is that too much for you to grasp, you disingenuous unknowledgeable newly registered poster?

You know, first impressions really make or break the way you look at someone. When I made one of my first threads on this forum, you commented saying something hateful about Federer, using your signature typos and whatnot, and included something about going back to "Mumbai" or "New Delhi." Since then, I haven't been able to take any one of your posts seriously. I've never seen you actually contribute to any thread on this board. You're simply another troll.

Explain what your definition of "late-bloomer" is. I'm having a hard time seeing someone who won their first slam at age 18 a "late-bloomer."

And you're trying to tell me Nadal made a career high in finals just to go and lose them all? I have to say, that's a new one. Thanks for the laugh!

SoBad
12-21-2011, 07:50 PM
You know, first impressions really make or break the way you look at someone. When I made one of my first threads on this forum, you commented saying something hateful about Federer, using your signature typos and whatnot, and included something about going back to "Mumbai" or "New Delhi." Since then, I haven't been able to take any one of your posts seriously. I've never seen you actually contribute to any thread on this board. You're simply another troll.

Explain what your definition of "late-bloomer" is. I'm having a hard time seeing someone who won their first slam at age 18 a "late-bloomer."

And you're trying to tell me Nadal made a career high in finals just to go and lose them all? I have to say, that's a new one. Thanks for the laugh!

I have no responsibility to cure your intellectual deficiencies, you newly registered disingenuous poster. Access to the depths of tennis knowledge of the experts is a privilege that is earned, not a birthright. Your fragrant lack of respect and communication skills leaves me no choice but to place you on my probation list. Youll have your first chance to appeal a year from now.

adamX012
12-21-2011, 08:00 PM
You know, first impressions really make or break the way you look at someone. When I made one of my first threads on this forum, you commented saying something hateful about Federer, using your signature typos and whatnot, and included something about going back to "Mumbai" or "New Delhi." Since then, I haven't been able to take any one of your posts seriously. I've never seen you actually contribute to any thread on this board. You're simply another troll.

Explain what your definition of "late-bloomer" is. I'm having a hard time seeing someone who won their first slam at age 18 a "late-bloomer."

And you're trying to tell me Nadal made a career high in finals just to go and lose them all? I have to say, that's a new one. Thanks for the laugh!

Hey friend, I just commented on your thread. Often time, we post any thoughts at night here at this site. Everyone is tired and might drink a little bit while posting. I understand we are not perfect at all but deep-seated angers/resentment should let go of it once the discussion is over. While carrying those burdens with you for a long period of time, it is not good for your health at all. How about this-let's just forget about the past and expect an exciting Xmas eve and day! Happy Holidays!

MichaelNadal
12-21-2011, 08:11 PM
Bro,I really love the way always you mention words such as"fight it out","hunger"and "eye of the tiger".I have always enjoyed reading your posts..It was untill unless last year that I watched rocky on T.V and immediately became it's fan.I have seen nearly every part of rocky around two-three times.I somehow was able to associate with the hardships that I have faced in my life and really enjoyed the thrills and spills in rocky's life.
I hope rafa can get back his fire..VAMOS!!

I love the Rocky movies :) I have the bluray collection.

FlashFlare11
12-21-2011, 08:14 PM
Hey friend, I just commented on your thread. Often time, we post any thoughts at night here at this site. Everyone is tired and might drink a little bit while posting. I understand we are not perfect at all but deep-seated angers/resentment should let go of it once the discussion is over. While carrying those burdens with you for a long period of time, it is not good for your health at all. How about this-let's just forget about the past and expect an exciting Xmas eve and day! Happy Holidays!

Thank you so much! And the same to you also!

Mike Sams
12-21-2011, 08:30 PM
Exactly, he's 25, and more than capable of having a multiple slam year, especially with Wimby and Roland Garros, but Djokovic is at the HUNGRY stage and Nadal needs to get that hunger back, and enjoy the "suffering" again like he used to if he's gonna make it happen. It's all up to him, and if he has the mental energy to get that one more ball back like he used to, and make some playing style adjustments.

Sorry MichaelNadal. It's NOT all up to him. :lol: The outcomes were not decided by Nadal at any point. He had to fight just to hold his serve and was lucky even to win sets at times. Nothing came easy for Nadal in the slightest this year. Not even his Monte Carlo title (being out in the heat for 3 hours against an injured Murray who decided to play at the last minute).

FlashFlare11
12-21-2011, 08:33 PM
Exactly, he's 25, and more than capable of having a multiple slam year, especially with Wimby and Roland Garros, but Djokovic is at the HUNGRY stage and Nadal needs to get that hunger back, and enjoy the "suffering" again like he used to if he's gonna make it happen. It's all up to him, and if he has the mental energy to get that one more ball back like he used to, and make some playing style adjustments.

I just want to say that you are one of my favorite posters! You're optimism is awesome to read, especially after the year Rafa had. And your realism is refreshing. You just seem like a cool guy. Thanks for that!

nadalwon2012
12-21-2011, 08:48 PM
Nadal isn't proposing the ranking changes for him anyway. By the time such a change would be enforced it would probably be after his time. Changes take so long. Or at least the changes would obviously not take affect by 2013 obviously. The changes would help Djokovic, not Nadal.

merlinpinpin
12-21-2011, 10:34 PM
Even as a big Nadal fan, I say TOUGH! When it's time to decline, it's time to decline. That's what professional tennis is all about. Nadal has been in the top 5 since May 2005, so 6 and a half years, and has spent almost all of that time in the top 2 since getting there in July 2005, barring a few weeks in 2009 and much of the late winter/spring of 2010 (northern hemisphere).

But the main difference is, people like you and MichaelNadal, you're *tennis* fans before being Nadal fans, whereas some die-hard Nadal fans discovered tennis in 2005 or 2006 and will just as quickly turn to tap-dancing if it's what he decides to do next. They are the only ones advocating this change here, probably because they hope that this will enable him to regain the #1 ranking without having to beat Djokovic. But the game is, ultimately, greater than the players (and I mean *any* player), and we should not make concessions for anyone if they hurt the game.

Mike Sams
12-21-2011, 11:03 PM
But the main difference is, people like you and MichaelNadal, you're *tennis* fans before being Nadal fans, whereas some die-hard Nadal fans discovered tennis in 2005 or 2006 and will just as quickly turn to tap-dancing if it's what he decides to do next. They are the only ones advocating this change here, probably because they hope that this will enable him to regain the #1 ranking without having to beat Djokovic. But the game is, ultimately, greater than the players (and I mean *any* player), and we should not make concessions for anyone if they hurt the game.

When it comes to ratings, the players are bigger than the game. The organizers want the best matches possible, the networks likewise.
When people tune into boxing, people want to see Pacquaio or Mayweather fights. They don't want to see Joe Schmuck vs Leonard Bum.
Would you rather pay $400 for a front row seat to see Federer vs Tsonga as opposed to Querry vs Dodig?
Would you wake up at 2am to see a Nadal/Murray match as opposed to a Simon/Haase match? :lol:
It's all about star power. Sports thrives from superstars.

Big_Dangerous
12-21-2011, 11:19 PM
Golf isn't a sport. It's a leisure activity for old ladies and porn addicts.

As a porn addict myself, I can safely say I despise golf.


:lol:

paulorenzo
12-21-2011, 11:50 PM
What does a one-year ranking do? Makes a player jump from 50 to the top 15 too quickly, based on just one slam semi. A player should have to do more than that to go from 50 to 15.

if you play well enough get to a slam semi, you are probably more likely to be the 15th best player in the world than the 50th best player in the world. the rankings show that well.

MichaelNadal
12-22-2011, 12:36 AM
I just want to say that you are one of my favorite posters! You're optimism is awesome to read, especially after the year Rafa had. And your realism is refreshing. You just seem like a cool guy. Thanks for that!

Thank you kind sir :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/mikeynitro/billiejean.gif

nadalwon2012
12-22-2011, 12:38 AM
if you play well enough get to a slam semi, you are probably more likely to be the 15th best player in the world than the 50th best player in the world. the rankings show that well.

Only because the rankings have convinced you that a player getting hot for 2 weeks is worthy of the top 15. 2 weeks should not count for so much. You can't prove you are top 15 just by making a grand slam semi. A draw can open up, or you can play great for 2 weeks on your favorite surface, but that doesn't prove much in the scheme of a year.

merlinpinpin
12-22-2011, 12:45 AM
Only because the rankings have convinced you that a player getting hot for 2 weeks is worthy of the top 15. 2 weeks should not count for so much. You can't prove you are top 15 just by making a grand slam semi. A draw can open up, or you can play great for 2 weeks on your favorite surface, but that doesn't prove much in the scheme of a year.

Actually, with the current rankings, a player who is ranked #50 wouldn't make the top 20 with a GS semi (he'd be just outside). And he would deserve the big raise in rankings, too, as a GS semi is huge for someone ranked 50. Most players don't even see the second week in their whole career.

aphex
12-22-2011, 01:15 AM
Dulzilla, the loyal puppy:):)

namelessone
12-22-2011, 01:29 AM
I blame golf for getting to Rafa's head with its weird ranking system. :)

Does anyone know of any sport outside of golf that has this two year system?

15_ounce
12-22-2011, 01:47 AM
Sebastian junior should learn how to play tennis and keep improving everyday so that he doesn't get injured and beaten up and fed gluten-free bagels and baguettes.

Slowing down the court and increasing the net's height won't help him either. My suggestion is, he should participate in the MLC Tennis Hot Shots program to strengthen his tennis fundamentals and help him to improve everyday. He'll try his best, no?

http://www.tennis.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RLA-day-1-crop-410.jpg

nadalwon2012
12-22-2011, 01:48 AM
I blame golf for getting to Rafa's head with its weird ranking system. :)

Does anyone know of any sport outside of golf that has this two year system?

Cricket has a 4 year ranking system, I think. It could be 2 but I think it's 4.

DjokovicForTheWin
12-22-2011, 03:58 AM
Cricket has a 4 year ranking system, I think. It could be 2 but I think it's 4.

If it could be 2, then why do you think it's 4?

MariaRafael
12-22-2011, 04:11 AM
Next time Nadal dares to give his opinion about something, he'll apply for a permission to the pundits in this forum. The pundits have all the democratic rights and know so much more about tennis than poor confused Nadal that Nadal should be banned from all his interviewes and press-conferences for life. TW pundits may be a worthy replacement.

SLD76
12-22-2011, 04:15 AM
Next time Nadal dares to give his opinion about something, he'll apply for a permission to the pundits in this forum. The pundits have all the democratic rights and know so much more about tennis than poor confused Nadal that Nadal should be banned from all his interviewes and press-conferences for life. TW pundits may be a worthy replacement.

Praise be Saint Rafa, the tennis Martyr.


*SEVERE EYE ROLL*

Gorecki
12-22-2011, 05:15 AM
Next time Nadal dares to give his opinion about something, he'll apply for a permission to the pundits in this forum. The pundits have all the democratic rights and know so much more about tennis than poor confused Nadal that Nadal should be banned from all his interviewes and press-conferences for life. TW pundits may be a worthy replacement.

i would be satisfied with him retiring and you going away with him, but that is fine too!

Semi-Pro
12-22-2011, 07:17 AM
But the main difference is, people like you and MichaelNadal, you're *tennis* fans before being Nadal fans, whereas some die-hard Nadal fans discovered tennis in 2005 or 2006 and will just as quickly turn to tap-dancing if it's what he decides to do next. They are the only ones advocating this change here, probably because they hope that this will enable him to regain the #1 ranking without having to beat Djokovic. But the game is, ultimately, greater than the players (and I mean *any* player), and we should not make concessions for anyone if they hurt the game.

Perhaps you meant Lap-dancing?

Crisstti
12-22-2011, 01:31 PM
But the main difference is, people like you and MichaelNadal, you're *tennis* fans before being Nadal fans, whereas some die-hard Nadal fans discovered tennis in 2005 or 2006 and will just as quickly turn to tap-dancing if it's what he decides to do next. They are the only ones advocating this change here, probably because they hope that this will enable him to regain the #1 ranking without having to beat Djokovic. But the game is, ultimately, greater than the players (and I mean *any* player), and we should not make concessions for anyone if they hurt the game.

And you know that how?. The two year ranking would not help Rafa regain the N 1 ranking...

paulorenzo
12-22-2011, 02:21 PM
Only because the rankings have convinced you that a player getting hot for 2 weeks is worthy of the top 15. 2 weeks should not count for so much. You can't prove you are top 15 just by making a grand slam semi. A draw can open up, or you can play great for 2 weeks on your favorite surface, but that doesn't prove much in the scheme of a year.

my point is, more often than not, top players will make it to the later rounds. the semi's of slams have, for the most part, been comprised of players in the top 15 give or take some break outs/young guns doing well once in a while. in the case for a recovering former top player like JMDP making a playing well at the majors, although he may be ranked 230, if he's playing like a top player, his results will show it. therefore, his ranking will show it as well. it seems less likely to be an anomaly given he's been at the top of the game before.

btw, del potro never got hot for two weeks this whole year, he's earned his ranking back by consistently making the 3rd round or so at the majors and winning a couple 250s and consistently making it deep in smaller tourneys. he's nowhere near his top level and his ranking shows it (11,000 pts away from Djokovic).

fed_rulz
12-22-2011, 02:34 PM
And you know that how?. The two year ranking would not help Rafa regain the N 1 ranking...

but it would secure his #2 ranking for a while, which would mean he would'nt have to meet Djoker in the SF half the time. This whole "to protect the injured" seems bogus -- why penalize someone who takes care of the body as opposed to someone who's indiscriminate? I can understand if you get into an accident or something (even then, tough luck), but a tennis-related injury is part of the fitness equation.

In other words, Rafa should take his idea back where it came from -- his rear.

TheMusicLover
12-22-2011, 03:21 PM
And you know that how?. The two year ranking would not help Rafa regain the N 1 ranking...

Are you even aware of the fact that if there were a 2-year ranking system right now, Djokovic wouldn't even be #1?
That would be as much as an abomination as is thinkable, after his brilliant season, and enough to prove that Rafa's idea is totally, utterly HORRIBLE.

And NO, I am not a Djokovic fan.

Crisstti
12-22-2011, 08:03 PM
but it would secure his #2 ranking for a while, which would mean he would'nt have to meet Djoker in the SF half the time. This whole "to protect the injured" seems bogus -- why penalize someone who takes care of the body as opposed to someone who's indiscriminate? I can understand if you get into an accident or something (even then, tough luck), but a tennis-related injury is part of the fitness equation.

In other words, Rafa should take his idea back where it came from -- his rear.

That would be an incredibly pessimistic way of thinking, if would rather stay N 2 longer rather than try to get to N 1.

Injuries don't just have to do with fitness.

Are you even aware of the fact that if there were a 2-year ranking system right now, Djokovic wouldn't even be #1?
That would be as much as an abomination as is thinkable, after his brilliant season, and enough to prove that Rafa's idea is totally, utterly HORRIBLE.

And NO, I am not a Djokovic fan.

He would be, if the ranking being proposed is similar to the golf one, which seems to be the case (even if that wasn't the case, I think maybe he would be).

TMF
12-22-2011, 08:51 PM
He would be, if the ranking being proposed is similar to the golf one, which seems to be the case (even if that wasn't the case, I think maybe he would be).

The point is Novak's spectacular year would still put him at #2 at the end of the season is absurd, which you conveniently ignore.

Crisstti
12-23-2011, 08:39 AM
The point is Novak's spectacular year would still put him at #2 at the end of the season is absurd, which you conveniently ignore.

And you ignore the fact that if the system proposed is akin to the golf system, that wouldn't be the case.

TMF
12-23-2011, 08:46 AM
And you ignore the fact that if the system proposed is akin to the golf system, that wouldn't be the case.

Tennis <> Golf. Capiche ??

Towser83
12-23-2011, 08:50 AM
And you ignore the fact that if the system proposed is akin to the golf system, that wouldn't be the case.

True, we don't know the exact nature of the 2 year system, I don't know exactly how it's weighted in golf. But I'd like to see what the rankings would be, because if you have to win 3 slams and 5 masters to someone's 1 slam and 1 master just to overtake them, then that's still unfair. Djokovic deserves to be miles ahead, not sure the golf system would reflect that. I mean if he had 2 slams and 5 masters vs 1 slams and 1 master maybe he'd still be number 2 on the golf system which is still really stupid and unfair.

merlinpinpin
12-23-2011, 09:01 AM
That's silly, anyway. You defend titles you win on a *yearly* basis, so it stands to reason that tennis should use a one-year ranking system. Using an artificial system to give yet some more help to the top players (who are already "protected" by the seed system) is just plain wrong.

Crisstti
12-23-2011, 09:05 AM
Tennis <> Golf. Capiche ??

So what?. This is about the rankings systems.

True, we don't know the exact nature of the 2 year system, I don't know exactly how it's weighted in golf. But I'd like to see what the rankings would be, because if you have to win 3 slams and 5 masters to someone's 1 slam and 1 master just to overtake them, then that's still unfair. Djokovic deserves to be miles ahead, not sure the golf system would reflect that. I mean if he had 2 slams and 5 masters vs 1 slams and 1 master maybe he'd still be number 2 on the golf system which is still really stupid and unfair.

Well, someone explained here how it works in golf... but math isn't really my strong point so I don't know how it'd be in the case you're saying, lol.

It would be the same for everyone though, so not sure we could call it unfair.

TMF
12-23-2011, 09:14 AM
So what?. This is about the rankings systems.


And we've already told you how absurd it is when Tiger was still ranked #1 when he won NOTHING.


I feel sorry for the players who won the majors when Tiger was almost nonexistent, who are worthy or being ranked higher than him.Tiger Woods was ranked #1 as late as October 2010 despite not having won a major since June 2008, and despite not having won a tournament since September 2009. Yeah, I'd call that a joke.


Nole 3 slams >>>>> Nadal 1 slam.

Enough said !!

cc0509
12-23-2011, 09:15 AM
And you ignore the fact that if the system proposed is akin to the golf system, that wouldn't be the case.

Why are you even arguing about this stupid two year ranking issue? Just because Nadal is in favor of it? Nadal is not exactly Warren Buffett. What does Nadal know about business? The majority of people think it is a stupid idea and they would be correct. It won't happen in any case. It is a stupid business decision and it is unlikely that the new ATP President who supposedly handled global operations prior to his new president post, and the Board of Directors of the ATP would make changes to the current ranking system unless they are total dimwits.

TMF
12-23-2011, 09:25 AM
Why are you even arguing about this stupid two year ranking issue? Just because Nadal is in favor of it? Nadal is not exactly Warren Buffett. What does Nadal know about business? The majority of people think it is a stupid idea and they would be correct. It won't happen in any case. It is a stupid business decision and it is unlikely that the new ATP President who supposedly handled global operations prior to his new president post, and the Board of Directors of the ATP would make changes to the current ranking system unless they are total dimwits.

Crisstti is getting annoying because she's being irrational, and I can understand it bothers you too. I try not to be harsh on her but wasn't surprise someone will eventually show up to put Crisstti in her place.

cc0509
12-23-2011, 09:36 AM
Crisstti is getting annoying because she's being irrational, and I can understand it bothers you too. I try not to be harsh on her but wasn't surprise someone will eventually show up to put Crisstti in her place.

I am not trying to put anybody in his or her place. It is not my role to do that on a tennis forum but how long does a person have to chip away at a brick wall to realize, you know what, it is just a brick wall, lol! Can't penetrate a brick wall you know what I mean? :)

West Coast Ace
12-23-2011, 11:11 AM
Blind devotion to one's favorite is a sad, and potentially scary, thing. If Roger wanted the 2 yr ranking system, plenty of his fans on this board, including me, would be ripping him.

cc0509
12-23-2011, 11:16 AM
Blind devotion to one's favorite is a sad, and potentially scary, thing. If Roger wanted the 2 yr ranking system, plenty of his fans on this board, including me, would be ripping him.

Blind devotion to anybody is the most nauseating thing ever imo. Some Nadal fans take the blind devotion aspect to a new level (although I know there are some real Fed nutjobs around as well.)

Crisstti
12-23-2011, 11:42 AM
Crisstti is getting annoying because she's being irrational, and I can understand it bothers you too. I try not to be harsh on her but wasn't surprise someone will eventually show up to put Crisstti in her place.

I'm being irrational?, you said the two year ranking being proposed would mean Novak wouldn't be N1. I pointed you were wrong, but you just brushed it off of course... anyway, I'm not answering to you unless you actually say something with some sense. Life's too short.

Gizo
12-23-2011, 11:49 AM
Nadal deserves all the criticism he is getting for repeatedly proposing such a stupid idea. Even most of his reasonable fans, and not the ridiculously biased worshipping element who think that he can do no wrong, disagree with him which is good.

Either he is stupid enough to genuinely think that this system would benefit the lower ranked players who would have a much tougher time climbing the rankings, or he is just being selfish and is bitter that he lost his world no. 1 ranking and his stellar 2010 season no longer counts for anything.

I find him to be one of the most likeable 'high profile, elite' sports stars in the world, but no-one is perfect and he is dead wrong here.

celoft
12-23-2011, 11:57 AM
Clownish idea.

TMF
12-23-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm being irrational?, you said the two year ranking being proposed would mean Novak wouldn't be N1. I pointed you were wrong, but you just brushed it off of course... anyway, I'm not answering to you unless you actually say something with some sense. Life's too short.

No I did not. TheMusicLover made A point about 2 yrs ranking is HORRIBLE because Nole would end at #2, which I agree with him. Somehow, you have no problem with Nole at #2, which everyone also disagree.

The point is Novak's spectacular year would still put him at #2 at the end of the season is absurd, which you conveniently ignore
He would be, if the ranking being proposed is similar to the golf one, which seems to be the case (even if that wasn't the case, I think maybe he would be).
Are you even aware of the fact that if there were a 2-year ranking system right now, Djokovic wouldn't even be #1?
That would be as much as an abomination as is thinkable, after his brilliant season, and enough to prove that Rafa's idea is totally, utterly HORRIBLE.

And NO, I am not a Djokovic fan.

TMF
12-23-2011, 12:06 PM
Blind devotion to one's favorite is a sad, and potentially scary, thing. If Roger wanted the 2 yr ranking system, plenty of his fans on this board, including me, would be ripping him.

I can't tell if Crisstti is trolling or being serious. If she keeps this up, maybe she is serious.

West Coast Ace
12-23-2011, 12:13 PM
@Crisstti, is Rafa's next rule change going to be the one about doing the coin toss and starting warm-up right away and not sitting on one's *ss eating an energy bar and drinking water while your opponent waits patiently at the net? :)

Crisstti
12-23-2011, 01:03 PM
No I did not. TheMusicLover made A point about 2 yrs ranking is HORRIBLE because Nole would end at #2, which I agree with him. Somehow, you have no problem with Nole at #2, which everyone also disagree.

You need better reading comprehension skills.

TMF
12-23-2011, 02:02 PM
You need better reading comprehension skills.

You better get your lips out of rafa @#$^.

Murrayfan31
12-23-2011, 08:33 PM
Nadal is an idiot.

drakulie
12-23-2011, 08:45 PM
Nadal must have been a lot of fun to play games with as a little kid. His child hood friends probably had loads of fun following all his rules....... primarily made up to ensure he always win.

tusharlovesrafa
12-23-2011, 10:58 PM
Dumbo,Rafa already has 17 slams!!He can do whatever he wants.

Gizo
12-24-2011, 12:52 AM
All players come out with stupid suggestions. Back in 2007 when the previous ranking system was in place, Federer wanted the number of countable tournaments reduced from 18 to 16. He was rightly criticised for being selfish and ignoring the plight of lower ranked players who would have been adversely affected. He quickly realised his mistake and never proposed something so ridiculous again.

Nadal on the other hand hasn't learned his lesson and keeps repeating his ridiculous suggestion ad nauseam. Still hopefully he will learn eventually.

namelessone
12-24-2011, 02:21 AM
Nadal must have been a lot of fun to play games with as a little kid. His child hood friends probably had loads of fun following all his rules....... primarily made up to ensure he always win.

Blasphemy. We all know Toni didn't allow Nadal to have any friends as a little kid so there goes your theory.

:)

namelessone
12-24-2011, 02:23 AM
All players come out with stupid suggestions. Back in 2007 when the previous ranking system was in place, Federer wanted the number of countable tournaments reduced from 18 to 16. He was rightly criticised for being selfish and ignoring the plight of lower ranked players who would have been adversely affected. He quickly realised his mistake and never proposed something so ridiculous again.

Nadal on the other hand hasn't learned his lesson and keeps repeating his ridiculous suggestion ad nauseam. Still hopefully he will learn eventually.

Wrong, Roger Federer ALWAYS wanted the best for all his tennis fellows and is a true ambassador of the game. You must be talking about a different Federer.

Nadal won't learn his lesson because unfortunately he likes golf. If you like golf(both to watch and play) there is no hope for you.

batz
12-24-2011, 02:28 AM
Blasphemy. We all know Toni didn't allow Nadal to have any friends as a little kid so there goes your theory.

:)

Wasn't Rafa some kind of tennis Spartan child?

Cast out into the streets at the age of 6 without as much as a tennis ball or even knee tape; he would have to kill a stranger for his racket before he could start to hone the skills that would one day make him conquistador of the ATP!

Or something like that.

namelessone
12-24-2011, 02:36 AM
Wasn't Rafa some kind of tennis Spartan child?

Cast out into the streets at the age of 6 without as much as a tennis ball or even knee tape; he would have to kill a stranger for his racket before he could start to hone the skills that would one day make him conquistador of the ATP!

Or something like that.

Pretty much.

Seen here after dispatching his first victim.

http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rafa-Nadal-baby.jpg

Sentinel
12-24-2011, 02:53 AM
Wasn't Rafa some kind of tennis Spartan child?

Cast out into the streets at the age of 6 without as much as a tennis ball or even knee tape; he would have to kill a stranger for his racket before he could start to hone the skills that would one day make him conquistador of the ATP!

Or something like that.
exactamente !!

But hey, this sounds exactly like TushylovesRafa's life.

tusharlovesrafa
12-24-2011, 02:58 AM
exactamente !!

But hey, this sounds exactly like TushylovesRafa's life.

DO you have a 6th sense??You predict so right.:)

vernonbc
12-24-2011, 05:09 AM
Nole 3 slams >>>>> Nadal 1 slam.

Enough said !!

At the time Nole took over #1, Rafa was the holder of two slam titles, same as Novak.

rommil
12-24-2011, 07:33 AM
Pretty much.

Seen here after dispatching his first victim.

http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rafa-Nadal-baby.jpg

Is that Ralph? Carrying a cane in case he loses at whatever he was doing that age..........Feliz Vamonos!!!!!

batz
12-24-2011, 09:33 AM
Pretty much.

Seen here after dispatching his first victim.

http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rafa-Nadal-baby.jpg

He needed a cane for his knees even at that young age? ;)

nikdom
12-24-2011, 09:37 AM
He needed a cane for his knees even at that young age? ;)

There are sippy cups lined by his feet and he tugged on his diaper before smiling for the photog. ;)

vernonbc
12-25-2011, 05:51 AM
Pretty much.

Seen here after dispatching his first victim.

http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rafa-Nadal-baby.jpg

That is the cutest picture ever! Look at that dimple that just getting ready to blossom. :)

Crisstti
12-25-2011, 03:23 PM
That is the cutest picture ever! Look at that dimple that just getting ready to blossom. :)

Adorable :).

This thread is turning to be quite hilarious, BTW :D

passive_aggressive
12-25-2011, 03:36 PM
As Nadal is basically allowed to use all the time in the world between points, coaching and 9-minute MTO's, should he get his wish with the 2-year ranking system, I guess he should then demand that:

A) All the tournament be played on clay (for the health of the players, of course)

B) All players have to play left-handed (for fairness' sake, of course)

:lol:

Nah, Rafa would suggest that he is the only player in the world allowed to play left handed, and everyone else needs to play rightly with a one-handed backhand. Or better yet, 2 one-handed backhands instead of a forehand.

You guys should listen to Rafa by the way. It is immaterial whether or not he proposes a 1 or 2 year ranking system anyway, because by the current system he will be a comfortable number one by the end of 2012 anyway, with 14 Grand Slams and an Olympic Gold under his belt.

Furthermore he was merely emphasizing with Delpo's situation, and has no vested interest in the matter as he has never experienced such a significant fall-off in ranking anyway.

Butt-pickingly classy statement from Rafa all-in-all.

Gorecki
12-25-2011, 11:40 PM
Adorable :).

This thread is turning to be quite hilarious, BTW :D

Indeed, mainly due to your posts and Chucrutelovessausages "poasts"!!!

Chyeaah
12-26-2011, 01:53 AM
Golf is actually alot harder than it looks. I doubt any of us tennis players can get under a +9 in one hole. And in the first swing you'll definitely miss. Also Tiger Woods is richer than Fed or Nad. I don't really care about this nadal business but people cant go around saying 1 sport is better than another.

aphex
12-26-2011, 01:54 AM
Golf is actually alot harder than it looks. I doubt any of us tennis players can get under a +9 in one hole. And in the first swing you'll definitely miss. Also Tiger Woods is richer than Fed or Nad.

Very relevant. Thanks.

tusharlovesrafa
12-26-2011, 01:57 AM
Reported.

...
if u hate me so much then why don't u put me in your "ignore list"??..huh!!

Chyeaah
12-26-2011, 02:06 AM
Very relevant. Thanks.

No it was targeted to the people who were complaining that golf is a **** sport and some random crap about not sweating and stuff.

But i still think Djoko is more of a b!%ch than Nad

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 02:21 AM
Pretty much.

Seen here after dispatching his first victim.

http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rafa-Nadal-baby.jpg

After hijacking the boat from his second victim

http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/1112/fe/164f56f2aee0.jpg

He also stole a kit from some poor Barca player as proven by this pic
http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/1112/12/5ed48e02fc93.jpg

and participated in a strip-tease show
http://s001.radikal.ru/i195/1112/fe/ce7b00bf3ab3.jpg

Chyeaah
12-26-2011, 02:27 AM
After hijacking the boat from his second victim

http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/1112/fe/164f56f2aee0.jpg

He also stole a kit from some poor Barca player as proven by this pic
http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/1112/12/5ed48e02fc93.jpg

and participated in a strip-tease show
http://s001.radikal.ru/i195/1112/fe/ce7b00bf3ab3.jpg

titf.

10 char

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 02:59 AM
@Crisstti, is Rafa's next rule change going to be the one about doing the coin toss and starting warm-up right away and not sitting on one's *ss eating an energy bar and drinking water while your opponent waits patiently at the net? :)

The next rule will be to buy an energy bar for your poor opponent who can't afford buying it himself and offer some water to the chair umpire. Their sitting utensils may be the same.

Gorecki
12-26-2011, 03:09 AM
tootyfootylovesrafa,tushyloveswaffles,chucrutelove ssausages,trollsloverafa.HELLOW GAYRECKI..MISSING YOU.

cheers old bean... i love you too""

Reported.

...

ahhhhh no Aphex No.... you shouldnt have! Sauceloveswafers is a cool bean, just the casual silly bat who works hard to hide his previous identities! "wai iu ate"?

:)

if u hate me so much then why don't u put me in your "ignore list"??..huh!!

Nevermind Aphex... he is like me and as you best described, he is just a old timer in need of Viagra or a Imature Kid depending on how you feel that day!

to best resolve this dilema, you should make up your mind and then world peace would be achieved!

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 03:48 AM
Seriously, if I were you, I would be nervous that Djokovic is gonna win the AO and the Grand Slam.

He'll reture from AO and the Grand Slam due to sore throat and a broken nail.

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 03:55 AM
I also want to add that Nadal also had a hell of a time in his matches against young players Dodig and Golubev.

Nadal is 25, and he is old. Golubev is 24, and he is young. What's middle age? 24.5? And Dodig is 26 ...

Gorecki
12-26-2011, 03:56 AM
He'll reture from AO and the Grand Slam due to sore throat and a broken nail.

yes. because though guys excuse themselves with parents divorce...

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 04:14 AM
If Nadal goes and beats Djokovic at the AO and Roland Garros next year, posts like yours are going to be crucified like crazy :D and you'll never hear the end of it....

Don't worry. All these tennis pundits have already gone through the whole path, and now they are travelling in circles:

2005
Nadal is a one-slam wonder, he'll never win a slam again, and retire by 2008

2006
Nadal is incapable of playing anywhere outside clay. His Wimbledon final was a joke.

2007
Nadal will never win Wimbledon, and retire by the age of 25.

2008
Nadal will never win anything outside natural surfaces.

2009
Nadal will never win USO. Nadal is over and done with, he'll drop out of the Top 10, cripple his legs and retire next year.

2010
a very bad year for haters, they were mildly grumbling something incoherent.

2011
Nadal got infected with Djokovic, he'll never recover No.1, he'll never win a slam, buy himself a wheelchair decorated with Swarowsky crystalls, and die of starvation.

If next year Nadal turns *****ovic into minced meat, and he has a nice habit of squaring accounts, you can revive this thread and rub it in. Haters will disappear for a couple of weeks, then come back and proceed with their prophesies.

tusharlovesrafa
12-26-2011, 04:23 AM
cheers old bean... i love you too""



ahhhhh no Aphex No.... you shouldnt have! Sauceloveswafers is a cool bean, just the casual silly bat who works hard to hide his previous identities! "wai iu ate"?

:)



Nevermind Aphex... he is like me and as you best described, he is just a old timer in need of Viagra or a Imature Kid depending on how you feel that day!

to best resolve this dilema, you should make up your mind and then world peace would be achieved!
Huh,You must be really scared wondering what will happen If I get banned.Your entire existence in TT will become obselete,as your mission to derail my success here will be in jeopardy.
I have decided to give u another chance but that old crook aphex should be punished.

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 04:32 AM
Don't worry. All these tennis pundits have already gone through the whole path, and now they are travelling in circles:

2005
Nadal is a one-slam wonder, he'll never win a slam again, and retire by 2008

2006
Nadal is incapable of playing anywhere outside clay. His Wimbledon final was a joke.

2007
Nadal will never win Wimbledon, and retire by the age of 25.

2008
Nadal will never win anything outside natural surfaces.

2009
Nadal will never win USO. Nadal is over and done with, he'll drop out of the Top 10, cripple his legs and retire next year.

2010
a very bad year for haters, they were mildly grumbling something incoherent.

2011
Nadal got infected with Djokovic, he'll never recover No.1, he'll never win a slam, buy himself a wheelchair decorated with Swarowsky crystalls, and die of starvation.

If next year Nadal turns *****ovic into minced meat, and he has a nice habit of squaring accounts, you can revive this thread and rub it in. Haters will disappear for a couple of weeks, then come back and proceed with their prophesies.
Well played, Sir.
How does someone who joined in June 2011 know what was posted in 2005. Hyperactive imagination, or wait .... lurked this forum for 6 years before you decided to post.

Yes, that sounds like the most plausible answer.

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 04:35 AM
Huh,You must be really scared wondering what will happen If I get banned.Your entire existence in TT will become obselete,as your mission to derail my success here will be in jeopardy.
I have decided to give u another chance but that old crook aphex should be punished.
Toosh,

I don't think your legacy can be tarnished by anything that happens now. You are the new breed of Nadal fans, actually, the new breed of tennis fans.

Coming back to the thread, what was Rafa at again ... ???:confused:

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 04:38 AM
The plausiblest explanation is that I lurked this forum for about a year, joined it for about 3 years, left it for about a year. When I came back, the site kindly requested me to get registered. When I kindly agreed to get registered using my previous nick and password, the site answered that they were occupied by another user. Thus, I regret to inform you that I had to register using a different nick and especially password which means a new account. It's a sad sad story. But I do hope that some yoga exercise can keep you afloat.

aphex
12-26-2011, 05:00 AM
Huh,You must be really scared wondering what will happen If I get banned.Your entire existence in TT will become obselete,as your mission to derail my success here will be in jeopardy.
I have decided to give u another chance but that old crook aphex should be punished.

Don't worry. All these tennis pundits have already gone through the whole path, and now they are travelling in circles:

2005
Nadal is a one-slam wonder, he'll never win a slam again, and retire by 2008

2006
Nadal is incapable of playing anywhere outside clay. His Wimbledon final was a joke.

2007
Nadal will never win Wimbledon, and retire by the age of 25.

2008
Nadal will never win anything outside natural surfaces.

2009
Nadal will never win USO. Nadal is over and done with, he'll drop out of the Top 10, cripple his legs and retire next year.

2010
a very bad year for haters, they were mildly grumbling something incoherent.

2011
Nadal got infected with Djokovic, he'll never recover No.1, he'll never win a slam, buy himself a wheelchair decorated with Swarowsky crystalls, and die of starvation.

If next year Nadal turns *****ovic into minced meat, and he has a nice habit of squaring accounts, you can revive this thread and rub it in. Haters will disappear for a couple of weeks, then come back and proceed with their prophesies.

The plausiblest explanation is that I lurked this forum for about a year, joined it for about 3 years, left it for about a year. When I came back, the site kindly requested me to get registered. When I kindly agreed to get registered using my previous nick and password, the site answered that they were occupied by another user. Thus, I regret to inform you that I had to register using a different nick and especially password which means a new account. It's a sad sad story. But I do hope that some yoga exercise can keep you afloat.

2004
The nadal is incapable of attaining the biggest fanbase of ******** lunatics.

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 05:13 AM
2004
The nadal is incapable of attaining the biggest fanbase of ******** lunatics.
Looks like Nadal_freak is back.

tusharlovesrafa
12-26-2011, 05:47 AM
Toosh,

I don't think your legacy can be tarnished by anything that happens now. You are the new breed of Nadal fans, actually, the new breed of tennis fans.

Coming back to the thread, what was Rafa at again ... ???:confused:
Atleast that hacker made you change your previous dumb siggy.By the way the server of that Ip adress is sumwhere near delhi.That person uses an Airtel connection.I just googled that address.DO you currently suspect anyone???

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 08:03 AM
Atleast that hacker made you change your previous dumb siggy.By the way the server of that Ip adress is sumwhere near delhi.That person uses an Airtel connection.I just googled that address.DO you currently suspect anyone???
Nope, no one in Delhi. I did think of someone, but not in India. What exactly did you do to check ?

btw, what dumb siggy. Abt SOPA !!! That's not dumb man, that's very serious !

Gorecki
12-26-2011, 08:16 AM
Huh,You must be really scared wondering what will happen If I get banned.Your entire existence in TT will become obselete,as your mission to derail my success here will be in jeopardy.
I have decided to give u another chance but that old crook aphex should be punished.

i wish you all the sucess you deserve in being a Talk Tennis "poaster", being whatever that is... :twisted:

Gorecki
12-26-2011, 08:19 AM
Well played, Sir.
How does someone who joined in June 2011 know what was posted in 2005. Hyperactive imagination, or wait .... lurked this forum for 6 years before you decided to post.

Yes, that sounds like the most plausible answer.

just like Sushiloveswasabi knowing about the "it's an Scandal, An Outrage" meme even thou it's has not been revived by quite some time!!!

Seems all Nadal fans are the shy type and take lots of time to join actively!!!!

volleynets
12-26-2011, 08:30 AM
Looks like Nadal_freak is back.

I am very sad that gj011 is nowhere to be seen though.

tusharlovesrafa
12-26-2011, 08:55 AM
Nope, no one in Delhi. I did think of someone, but not in India. What exactly did you do to check ?

btw, what dumb siggy. Abt SOPA !!! That's not dumb man, that's very serious !
I have a confession to make.It was me who tried playing with your id.Actually I had no intent what so ever to hack your id,I was just getting bored and decided to just have some fun.Neither I have the capacity nor knowledge to hack anyone's id.I am very curious by nature.
I sincerely apologise and promise that same won't be repeated again.

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 09:29 AM
I am very sad that gj011 is nowhere to be seen though.
How do you know ? I heard a rumor some months back that he was back, except I could not make out his new username. Same for NF. Some people are really sharp at catching, not me.

Anyway, don't feel sad about gj011. There's always suresh, if you really are desperate, lol !