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power level 800
12-21-2011, 03:39 PM
.... On this. I have talked to two players, one from Argentina and one from Spain. They both told me they didn't have a rating system like the usta. How important is that number. i.e. 4.0. If two power houses, like Argentina and Spain doesn't even use the same format?

rommil
12-21-2011, 03:54 PM
Don't worry, help is on the way. The US and A is sending Bud over.

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 04:10 PM
powerhouses is a bit much, in my opinion

power level 800
12-21-2011, 04:14 PM
powerhouses is a bit much, in my opinion

I was just quoting what the tennis channel said about the Davis Cup Final.

gregor.b
12-21-2011, 04:17 PM
powerhouses is a bit much, in my opinion

Maybe they mean moreso the number of players in the top hundred relative to their population as opposed to say,the USA or China.

power level 800
12-21-2011, 04:24 PM
Maybe they mean moreso the number of players in the top hundred relative to their population as opposed to say,the USA or China.

Thank you for helping me out. Both does countries have about 40 millions in each nation. Us the U.S. Have over 600 million. Why is their ratios higher. (pros in the top 100)?

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 04:34 PM
Maybe they mean moreso the number of players in the top hundred relative to their population as opposed to say,the USA or China.

in that case then china will never be a powerhouse even if 99/100 were all chinese

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 04:37 PM
Thank you for helping me out. Both does countries have about 40 millions in each nation. Us the U.S. Have over 600 million. Why is their ratios higher. (pros in the top 100)?

600 million in the US?? thought it was around half that

power level 800
12-21-2011, 04:42 PM
600 million in the US?? thought it was around half that

Yeah, back in the early nineties. And C'mone how can you knock on a country that produced something as beautiful as Li Na.

power level 800
12-21-2011, 04:56 PM
I would venture to say. She'll finish top 5 next year.

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 04:59 PM
Yeah, back in the early nineties. And C'mone how can you knock on a country that produced something as beautiful as Li Na.

who said im knocking anyone? i like Li Na, shes great, but 99/1.3billion is alot smaller ratio than 1/20mill if that is the formula for a country to be considered a powerhouse.

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 05:01 PM
I would venture to say. She'll finish top 5 next year.

I hope she does, I hope she gets a slam or two next year, maybe the AO and French, and hopefully Stosur will get the other two!

power level 800
12-21-2011, 05:05 PM
who said im knocking anyone? i like Li Na, shes great, but 99/1.3billion is alot smaller ratio than 1/20mill if that is the formula for a country to be considered a powerhouse.

Well, how else would you determined a power house? You guy's have a pretty good ratio. Is your average like recreational player like a 5.0?

j00dypoo
12-21-2011, 05:09 PM
lol we're not even at 313 million. Where the hell did you get 600 million from?

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

And our average recreational player is 3.5 - 4.0.

power level 800
12-21-2011, 05:10 PM
I hope she does, I hope she gets a slam or two next year, maybe the AO and French, and hopefully Stosur will get the other two!

I was NOT suprized when Stosur won the U.S. Open. She always had that kind of firepower. That down the line forehand is her fillet mignon..

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 05:13 PM
Well, how else would you determined a power house? You guy's have a pretty good ratio. Is your average like recreational player like a 5.0?

I doubt it from what I've heard a 5.0 is pretty good, but we dont have that scoring system over here either. I think if you're wondering why countries like Spain or Argentina have a higher proportion of players in the top 100, at present, I think the surface is a contributing factor, the slower surfaces are more suitable for the types of players these countries produce. For instance in the mid 80's-90's the faster surfaces suited the american/australian type players which is why there were alot in the top 100 back then. Same thing now I reckon.

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 05:15 PM
lol we're not even at 313 million. Where the hell did you get 600 million from?http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

And our average recreational player is 3.5 - 4.0.

I thought that was the case, lol, I'm not an american so I couldn't be 100% sure but 600 million did sound a bit wrong

power level 800
12-21-2011, 05:18 PM
lol we're not even at 313 million. Where the hell did you get 600 million from?

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

And our average recreational player is 3.5 - 4.0.

I guess you were right. But did also check the other 2 right? If I was right about the other two, well then I guess my statement was still correct. On both those nations having a better ratio than us. Well over. You know what mean.

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 05:24 PM
I guess you were right. But did also check the other 2 right? If I was right about the other two, well then I guess my statement was still correct. On both those nations having a better ratio than us. Well over. You know what mean.

but thats just simple math, if a country with a population of 20 million has 1 player in the top 100 vs a country with 300 million, they would need 15 players in the top 100 to have the same ratio...hence based on this as I mentioned before china wouldn't be considered a powerhouse even if 99/100 were in the top 100 due to their population.

j00dypoo
12-21-2011, 05:25 PM
They probably do have a better ratio of top 100 players than the US. I'm not going and counting the players from each country so I can't be completely positive.

One major factor that contributes to the lack of US tennis players is the fact that we have many other sports that are far more popular than tennis. Younger kids have dreams of playing professional basketball in the NBA or American football in the NFL (and baseball to a certain extent). Instead of growing up with tennis they play these other sports.

Also, a decent tennis academy or coach is not cheap. I know my parents could not afford to hire a coach for me so I was never coached. I learned to play tennis all on my own. This might actually be why I love and have such a deep appreciation for the game.

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 05:37 PM
They probably do have a better ratio of top 100 players than the US. I'm not going and counting the players from each country so I can't be completely positive.

One major factor that contributes to the lack of US tennis players is the fact that we have many other sports that are far more popular than tennis. Younger kids have dreams of playing professional basketball in the NBA or American football in the NFL (and baseball to a certain extent). Instead of growing up with tennis they play these other sports.

Also, a decent tennis academy or coach is not cheap. I know my parents could not afford to hire a coach for me so I was never coached. I learned to play tennis all on my own. This might actually be why I love and have such a deep appreciation for the game.

This is true, to a degree. If you consider the mid 80's- late 90's there were a lot of americans in the top 100 consistently year after year. And I'm sure the case was the same back then as it is now, there are a lot of other sports which takes priority over tennis. So there are other factors involved, Australia has this dilemma as well, I think the surfaces now are more conducive as a whole to players from south america etc. Even when they replaced rebound ace to plexicusion it isn't for the benefit of the players that australia has been producing, maybe Tomic now but in general it hasn't and the rankings show this.

r2473
12-21-2011, 05:58 PM
lol we're not even at 313 million. Where the hell did you get 600 million from?

300 million "legal" and 300 million "illegals" = 600 million.

I think he's right.

j00dypoo
12-21-2011, 10:04 PM
This is true, to a degree. If you consider the mid 80's- late 90's there were a lot of americans in the top 100 consistently year after year. And I'm sure the case was the same back then as it is now, there are a lot of other sports which takes priority over tennis. So there are other factors involved, Australia has this dilemma as well, I think the surfaces now are more conducive as a whole to players from south america etc. Even when they replaced rebound ace to plexicusion it isn't for the benefit of the players that australia has been producing, maybe Tomic now but in general it hasn't and the rankings show this.

That's true also. Slower courts are best suited for the traditional clay countries. I think also tennis has enjoyed increased popularity in those countries. Maybe the price to play has lowered and more of the common folk can afford it.

LameTennisPlayer
12-21-2011, 10:49 PM
That's true also. Slower courts are best suited for the traditional clay countries. I think also tennis has enjoyed increased popularity in those countries. Maybe the price to play has lowered and more of the common folk can afford it.

The affordability of being able to play the game as a recreational sport and competing on tour are still worlds apart. Here in Oz, Tennis is the most played sport even above cricket/afl/rugby etc because it's inexpensive and accessibilty to courts is very easy, but we aren't producing a hell of alot of top 100 players any time soon apart from Tomic.

Sentinel
12-22-2011, 04:24 AM
Don't worry, help is on the way. The US and A is sending Bud over.
Nadalfan89 (4.5 USTA) should be over soon doing his 2012 tour of Europe to earn extra cash.

He'll whip everyone's butts.

Sentinel
12-22-2011, 04:26 AM
300 million "legal" and 300 million "illegals" = 600 million.

I think he's right.
In which 300 million do suresh, veron, babbit and nadalfreak come ?

j00dypoo
12-22-2011, 09:03 AM
In which 300 million do suresh, veron, babbit and nadalfreak come ?

lol... we'll have to do a back catalog of all their posts and determine based on the amount of grammatical errors they've produced. Although going by that method, I would probably be in the second 300 mil too...

jmverdugo
12-22-2011, 03:59 PM
I would say that the rating system in the US is more about the amateur / weekend players than the professional level .. I mean if you ever get to actually have a USTA rating then you did not make it to the pro level, unless you are on your way back from the pro level.

Andres
12-23-2011, 01:55 AM
.... On this. I have talked to two players, one from Argentina and one from Spain. They both told me they didn't have a rating system like the usta. How important is that number. i.e. 4.0. If two power houses, like Argentina and Spain doesn't even use the same format?
Every country has their own rating system for amateur play. It may not be the NTRP, but there are equivalents. Argentina does, and it's regulated by the AAT (argentinian tennis asociation). It may not be as detailed as the NTRP, but it has categories of its own.