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OddJack
12-23-2011, 09:59 AM
Abu Dhabi that is.

Shoulder injury, Virus problem. Not sure yet.

http://www.livetennisguide.com/2011/12/23/rafael-nadal-hot-news-doubtful-for-2012-abu-dhabi/

Wanted to go to Nadal News thread, but that one is malfunctioning.
Use the new one someone created instead of that old Million views thread.
Everything these Nadalites do got to be antique.

aphex
12-23-2011, 10:06 AM
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000779303/polls_OhNoez_5545_164442_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

cc0509
12-23-2011, 10:22 AM
Abu Dhabi that is.

Shoulder injury, Virus problem. Not sure yet.

Here we go. Start your engines folks, the injury/illness excuses are already starting to flow! :twisted:

Homeboy Hotel
12-23-2011, 10:48 AM
It's absolute B.S - he's not ill at all.

See his facebook,
All week long practicing with Marc Lopez, great moments :)
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377396_10150459977851026_64822581025_8797870_98978 2577_n.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150459977851026&set=a.456161351025.251362.64822581025&type=1

DjokovicForTheWin
12-23-2011, 10:56 AM
Can anyone blame Nadal? He's probably trying to avoid Djoker as much as he can

nikdom
12-23-2011, 10:56 AM
No.2 is doubtful again?

West Coast Ace
12-23-2011, 10:58 AM
Translation: he's not happy with the Appearance Fee they offered him. Probably less than Roger and Novak.

He and Lopez sure spend a lot of time together...

cc0509
12-23-2011, 11:02 AM
Translation: he's not happy with the Appearance Fee they offered him. Probably less than Roger and Novak.

He and Lopez sure spend a lot of time together...

Nah, I don't think so. No way Nadal's appearance fee would be less than Djokovic's. I am sure Roger gets the most and then Nadal after him.

sureshs
12-23-2011, 11:04 AM
Translation: he's not happy with the Appearance Fee they offered him. Probably less than Roger and Novak.

He and Lopez sure spend a lot of time together...

That is Deliciano Lopez. This is Marc Lopez - completely undelicious.

West Coast Ace
12-23-2011, 11:05 AM
No way Nadal's appearance fee would be less than Djokovic's.You did watch tennis last year didn't you? And don't forget - Novak has played (winning the last 3) Dubai tournaments. Since he plays in the region more often he might have a bigger fan base.

cc0509
12-23-2011, 11:12 AM
You did watch tennis last year didn't you? And don't forget - Novak has played (winning the last 3) Dubai tournaments. Since he plays in the region more often he might have a bigger fan base.

Anything is possible I just highly doubt that is the reason.

RafatheChamp
12-23-2011, 11:12 AM
Off topic, but in the picture it looks like Lopez's new Pure Drive on the ground.

dParis
12-23-2011, 11:12 AM
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377396_10150459977851026_64822581025_8797870_98978 2577_n.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150459977851026&set=a.456161351025.251362.64822581025&type=1
What a pigsty he's sitting in. I know it's 'only' practice, but considering how OC he is during tournaments, I thought he'd be in a little more organized environment during practice. There is clearly a water bottle that has been knocked over on its side, for starters.

Perhaps his recent slide can be attributed to sloppy practice habits as much as anything else.

sureshs
12-23-2011, 11:16 AM
What a pigsty he's sitting in. I know it's 'only' practice, but considering how OC he is during tournaments, I thought he'd be in a little more organized environment during practice. There is clearly a water bottle that has been knocked over on its side, for starters.

Perhaps his recent slide can be attributed to sloppy practice habits as much as anything else.

It is not a sloppy practice habit to have sloppy surroundings on the bench. Practice refers to the play, not to what he has around him.

I bet his practice play is more than enough to beat anyone other than Djokovic.

dParis
12-23-2011, 11:25 AM
It is not a sloppy practice habit to have sloppy surroundings on the bench. Practice refers to the play, not to what he has around him.

I bet his practice play is more than enough to beat anyone other than Djokovic.
If you go through someone's home or look at their car inside and out, you can tell much about the person, without ever meeting them.

Semi-Pro
12-23-2011, 11:31 AM
Good to see Toni face palming...

kishnabe
12-23-2011, 11:32 AM
Another loss in the Quarters of Australian coming soon!

sureshs
12-23-2011, 11:42 AM
If you go through someone's home or look at their car inside and out, you can tell much about the person, without ever meeting them.

I am sure you can.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iJt4hS4l9_A/TqAFBiBA01I/AAAAAAAACAA/xaKX7SGN_sc/s1600/EEE.jpg

celoft
12-23-2011, 11:43 AM
Another loss in the Quarters of Australian coming soon!

I concur...................

Homeboy Hotel
12-23-2011, 11:43 AM
Good to see Toni face palming...

His face would make quite a good motivational 'sarcasm' poster.

West Coast Ace
12-23-2011, 11:47 AM
That is Deliciano Lopez. This is Marc Lopez - completely undelicious.No. Marc. Guessing you don't get to many tournaments. Marc follows him around like a little puppy. Or something.

tennis_pro
12-23-2011, 11:59 AM
Abu Dhabi that is.

Shoulder injury, Virus problem. Not sure yet.


Not sure which injury excuse wasn't used yet, huh Rafa?

West Coast Ace
12-23-2011, 12:22 PM
Not sure which injury excuse wasn't used yet, huh Rafa?Someone needs to start a poll before the AO to predict what body part he will be grabbing when he loses.

bullfan
12-23-2011, 12:30 PM
There is a serious obsession with Nadal around here.....

CCNM
12-23-2011, 12:35 PM
I don't believe anything Rafa says about his health anymore.

sureshs
12-24-2011, 05:37 AM
No. Marc. Guessing you don't get to many tournaments. Marc follows him around like a little puppy. Or something.

I said this is Marc not Deliciano. What is the contradiction?

Cup8489
12-24-2011, 07:22 AM
Not again..

Mustard
12-24-2011, 07:25 AM
There is a serious obsession with Nadal around here.....

They fear him. Always have.

Mike Sams
12-24-2011, 07:45 AM
They fear him. Always have.

I don't think a sport where some guys hit a ball over a net is going to kill any fans anytime soon. :lol: It's just a game. Not much else.

beast of mallorca
12-24-2011, 08:49 AM
They fear him. Always have.

Theys not only fear him, they loathe him so much because only Rafa made Federer cry like a little girl, lol

tusharlovesrafa
12-24-2011, 08:59 AM
Theys not only fear him, they loathe him so much because only Rafa made Federer cry like a little girl, lol

YO BRO YOu are DeAD RiGhT!!!

Crisstti
12-24-2011, 09:15 AM
Someone needs to start a poll before the AO to predict what body part he will be grabbing when he loses.

Rafa doesn't do that.

I don't think a sport where some guys hit a ball over a net is going to kill any fans anytime soon. :lol: It's just a game. Not much else.

Lol, tell that to some people here.

Sentinel
12-24-2011, 09:21 AM
Nadal needs just a week or so to recover his mental strength and be in formidable shape.

He's winning the AO. You betcha !


ps. vamoses to you all, and a very merry xmas !

nikdom
12-24-2011, 09:29 AM
Nadal needs just a week or so to recover his mental strength and be in formidable shape.

He's winning the AO. You betcha !


ps. vamoses to you all, and a very merry xmas !

For a Delhiite, you do use a lot of folksy American slang. :)

Towser83
12-24-2011, 09:58 AM
Didn't he have a virus last year at Doha?

If he has something, might as well just skip it and start at Doha.

But seriously, I'm starting to form the opinion if a player is unwell either just announce you are 100% certain pulling out, or get on with it. No "I'm feeling unwell, not sure if I can play stuff" then you do play but with an excuse prepared. I mean unless the previous event saw you struggling with a problem you still have and obviously people are going to be asking if you're ready yet. But in this case, if you decide to pull out because you have just picked up a virus, just announce it then when you have decided. To much drama these days!

sureshs
12-24-2011, 10:19 AM
For a Delhiite, you do use a lot of folksy American slang. :)

Sentinel cannot be confined to narrow boundaries. He belongs to the world.

nikdom
12-24-2011, 02:07 PM
Sentinel cannot be confined to narrow boundaries. He belongs to the world.

Yes, that's true. His posts are very witty to boot.

Mike Sams
12-24-2011, 05:22 PM
Theys not only fear him, they loathe him so much because only Rafa made Federer cry like a little girl, lol

Federer is also the one who gifted Nadal a Slam this year by taking out Nadal's master Djokovic. ********s should be grateful to little girl Federer. :lol:

Mustard
12-24-2011, 05:27 PM
Federer is also the one who gifted Nadal a Slam this year by taking out Nadal's master Djokovic. ********s should be grateful to little girl Federer. :lol:

I find it amazing how people take it for a certainty that Nadal would lose a best of 5 sets match on clay. It's only happened once in Nadal's career, you know, and that was one of the greatest upsets of all time.

MichaelNadal
12-24-2011, 07:13 PM
I find it amazing how people take it for a certainty that Nadal would lose a best of 5 sets match on clay. It's only happened once in Nadal's career, you know, and that was one of the greatest upsets of all time.

A huge upset, I didn't even bother watching the match bc I was so sure Nadal would win. You should have seen my face when I turned the TV on and it scrolled across the bottom of the screen.

Cup8489
12-24-2011, 07:15 PM
A huge upset, I didn't even bother watching the match bc I was so sure Nadal would win. You should have seen my face when I turned the TV on and it scrolled across the bottom of the screen.

i thought it was a misprint.

nadalwon2012
12-24-2011, 07:37 PM
What a pigsty he's sitting in. I know it's 'only' practice, but considering how OC he is during tournaments, I thought he'd be in a little more organized environment during practice. There is clearly a water bottle that has been knocked over on its side, for starters.

Perhaps his recent slide can be attributed to sloppy practice habits as much as anything else.

Huh? Nadal has always been sloppy outside of his matches. His mom always said so. That is why people are wrong when they accuse him of having obsessive compulsive disorder. He is simply in a zone when he plays matches, and that is all.

Mike Sams
12-24-2011, 08:11 PM
I find it amazing how people take it for a certainty that Nadal would lose a best of 5 sets match on clay. It's only happened once in Nadal's career, you know, and that was one of the greatest upsets of all time.

Djokovic is a whole other league of talent to Soderling. Did you not see what Djokovic did to Soderling in Rome this year? 6-3, 6-0.
Djokovic was in a zone and it took a god-mode Federer to stop him. Even then Federer needed a bit of luck as Djokovic had set points in the first set which would've been basically the end for Federer.
Nadal on the other hand looked nothing even remotely close to unstoppable throughout the tournament, especially in the final. Federer the choker just doesn't have the right type of game to exploit Nadal with that sissy backhand.
Djokovic would've been a completely different proposition with a significant mental edge over Nadal.
But then again, I guess nobody on here believed Djokovic would've beaten Nadal in BEST OF 5 SETS at Wimbledon and US Open either...until it happened. :lol:

Mustard
12-24-2011, 08:25 PM
But then again, I guess nobody on here believed Djokovic would've beaten Nadal in BEST OF 5 SETS at Wimbledon and US Open either...until it happened. :lol:

Okay, but they are different surfaces where Nadal has lost to other people before, like Muller, Youzhny, Ferrer, del Potro etc. Beating Nadal at the French Open is a whole different ball game. He's only lost once on clay in a best of 5 sets match, ever. Bearing this in mind, it's ridiculous to just assume Djokovic beats Nadal at the French Open as though Nadal has no chance. I'm not saying Djokovic has no chance, just that it's the ultimate challenge to beat Nadal on clay in best of 5 sets.

Sentinel
12-24-2011, 08:31 PM
So what are RAfa's appearances before AO ???


For a Delhiite, you do use a lot of folksy American slang. :)
LOL, "You betcha" was courtesy Mother Margarine. You shd read his/her posts, often very entertaining (unintentionally).

Sentinel cannot be confined to narrow boundaries. He belongs to the world.
:D ! And yet he is behind the times, never having heard of Sunny Leone !

Mike Sams
12-24-2011, 08:36 PM
Okay, but they are different surfaces where Nadal has lost to other people before, like Muller, Youzhny, Ferrer, del Potro etc. Beating Nadal at the French Open is a whole different ball game. He's only lost once on clay in a best of 5 sets match, ever. Bearing this in mind, it's ridiculous to just assume Djokovic beats Nadal at the French Open as though Nadal has no chance. I'm not saying Djokovic has no chance, just that it's the ultimate challenge to beat Nadal on clay in best of 5 sets.

Good points but I can say that Federer was the only guy who ever beat Nadal in Slam finals. That was 4 years ago...until Djokovic did it in back to back Slam finals this year.
And Soderling already beat Nadal at the French Open. So if Nadal had already lost at the French Open, then how exactly is it the ultimate challenge? The ultimate challenge is only if somebody has never lost. Kinda like people thinking that beating Mike Tyson was the ultimate challenge until somebody came along and knocked him into next year. :lol:

nadalwon2012
12-24-2011, 08:49 PM
Nadal has won 78 of 79 best-of-5 set matches on clay.

Sentinel
12-24-2011, 09:02 PM
With Nadal injured, it'll be a Noel-Andy final at AO again.

We might as well just hand the AO title to Noel !

MichaelNadal
12-24-2011, 09:06 PM
Good points but I can say that Federer was the only guy who ever beat Nadal in Slam finals. That was 4 years ago...until Djokovic did it in back to back Slam finals this year.
And Soderling already beat Nadal at the French Open. So if Nadal had already lost at the French Open, then how exactly is it the ultimate challenge? The ultimate challenge is only if somebody has never lost. Kinda like people thinking that beating Mike Tyson was the ultimate challenge until somebody came along and knocked him into next year. :lol:

You are becoming one of the biggest anti-Nadal trolls on this board.

Mike Sams
12-24-2011, 09:16 PM
You are becoming one of the biggest anti-Nadal trolls on this board.

I think Cody Rhodes is never going to be world champion. He doesn't have the talent.

Cup8489
12-24-2011, 09:19 PM
Good points but I can say that Federer was the only guy who ever beat Nadal in Slam finals. That was 4 years ago...until Djokovic did it in back to back Slam finals this year.
And Soderling already beat Nadal at the French Open. So if Nadal had already lost at the French Open, then how exactly is it the ultimate challenge? The ultimate challenge is only if somebody has never lost. Kinda like people thinking that beating Mike Tyson was the ultimate challenge until somebody came along and knocked him into next year. :lol:

Well, look at it this way. After Sampras lost to Kraijeck in 96, but then won 4 in a row, everyone, and i mean EVERYONE, saw him as owning wimbledon. When Federer beat him in 2001, it was a BIG deal, as it was considered one of those things that just didnt happen (Sampras losing at Wimbledon). Take that, and recognize that Nadal very rarely loses on clay AT ALL, and has only lost one, single match at Roland Garros... it's a gigantic task, even for someone who has a psychological edge on him. It's an enormous challenge.

Mike Sams
12-24-2011, 09:22 PM
Well, look at it this way. After Sampras lost to Kraijeck in 96, but then won 4 in a row, everyone, and i mean EVERYONE, saw him as owning wimbledon. When Federer beat him in 2001, it was a BIG deal, as it was considered one of those things that just didnt happen (Sampras losing at Wimbledon). Take that, and recognize that Nadal very rarely loses on clay AT ALL, and has only lost one, single match at Roland Garros... it's a gigantic task, even for someone who has a psychological edge on him. It's an enormous challenge.

With the way the French Open played this particular year (faster surface, faster balls), I think Nadal had a far better chance of beating the tired Djokovic he faced in the Rome final on slower bouncier clay than he would've at the French Open final.
Just an observation. I rate Nadal very highly still.

ZeroSkid
12-24-2011, 09:31 PM
Man rafa is so unlucky, he would have a lot more slams if he was not injured

jones101
12-24-2011, 11:19 PM
Rafa, even now, imo should be favoured over Novak at RG, until proven otherwise.

His CC resume is just that good.

Big_Dangerous
12-24-2011, 11:39 PM
Another loss in the Quarters of Australian coming soon!

The curse of Australia Day will strike Nadal again.

tusharlovesrafa
12-25-2011, 01:20 AM
So what are RAfa's appearances before AO ???



LOL, "You betcha" was courtesy Mother Margarine. You shd read his/her posts, often very entertaining (unintentionally).



:D ! And yet he is behind the times, never having heard of Sunny Leone !
Only sunny I know is DEOL.How can we forget that hand pump scene?
Jokes apart,Sunny Leone looks ain't that great.She got silicon implants in her breast to get a busty look.Not a fan of such things.Her porno movies ain't that great,I have seen better porn actresses that her.
By the way you are not supposed to talk about such things to Suresh as he is still a Minor.lol

MichaelNadal
12-25-2011, 03:58 AM
I think Cody Rhodes is never going to be world champion. He doesn't have the talent.

I hate that he's not wearing the mask, Cody was ONTO something with the mask, and turning out excellent matches, and had so much character. In any case, what I don't agree with is all this Zach Ryder crap and Daniel Bryan having the other title. Smh. Daniel fn Bryan as the world champ. He's a hard worker no doubt, but not championship material. Ziggler should have kept the US title instead of that Lame-O Ryder as well.

TheMusicLover
12-25-2011, 05:06 AM
Good points but I can say that Federer was the only guy who ever beat Nadal in Slam finals. That was 4 years ago...until Djokovic did it in back to back Slam finals this year.
And Soderling already beat Nadal at the French Open. So if Nadal had already lost at the French Open, then how exactly is it the ultimate challenge? The ultimate challenge is only if somebody has never lost. Kinda like people thinking that beating Mike Tyson was the ultimate challenge until somebody came along and knocked him into next year. :lol:

The whole point is that 'nothing lasts forever'. Every top player will lose at a certain point. Sampras and Federer 'owned' Wimbledon, and guess what happened? Yep, they lost. Same thing happened to Nadal at RG, no biggie, whatever the media made of it. Even more, the longer a top player's streak lasts, the bigger chance he'll lose at a certain point as noone is immune to aging and wear-and-tear.
Which doesn't mean said player won't be able to take back that title the year thereafter. As of now I still put Rafa above Djokovic as a candidate to take RG 2012, but it might be a good idea to wait and see what happens during the clay season. It's still a long time to go.

Towser83
12-25-2011, 08:46 AM
Okay, but they are different surfaces where Nadal has lost to other people before, like Muller, Youzhny, Ferrer, del Potro etc. Beating Nadal at the French Open is a whole different ball game. He's only lost once on clay in a best of 5 sets match, ever. Bearing this in mind, it's ridiculous to just assume Djokovic beats Nadal at the French Open as though Nadal has no chance. I'm not saying Djokovic has no chance, just that it's the ultimate challenge to beat Nadal on clay in best of 5 sets.

True but Djokovic beat him in straight sets on clay twice, and if anything Nadal was playing his worst tennis at RG. Even against Federer who he owns on clay, he had problems and really could have even lost in straight sets. Unless Djokovic massively choked, I think he'd have won the final this year, he was playing way better tennis and if anything looked more likley to win on clay than Hardcourt. That doesn't mean he'll win next year, but given the results of Rome and Madrid, nadal form at RG, his mental strength this year and the way every matchup went with Djokovic, I would say Djokovic would have won, about 80% sure. I know Nadal has only ever lost one match on clay over 5 sets but no-one won 4 sets in a row on clay agaisnt him before

West Coast Ace
12-25-2011, 09:20 AM
True but Djokovic beat him in straight sets on clay twice, and if anything Nadal was playing his worst tennis at RG. Even against Federer who he owns on clay, he had problems and really could have even lost in straight sets. Unless Djokovic massively choked, I think he'd have won the final this year, he was playing way better tennis and if anything looked more likley to win on clay than Hardcourt. That doesn't mean he'll win next year, but given the results of Rome and Madrid, nadal form at RG, his mental strength this year and the way every matchup went with Djokovic, I would say Djokovic would have won, about 80% sure. I know Nadal has only ever lost one match on clay over 5 sets but no-one won 4 sets in a row on clay agaisnt him beforeI'm with you. Nadal fans love to say 'Rafa is in Roger's head'. Guess what. If Djokovic and Nadal play in the RG final and Rafa doesn't win the 1st set... he's done. I'll never forget the look on his face after the 2nd set at Wimbledon - the look of someone who knew he couldn't beat someone. And as you mentioned, Djokovic did it on clay at the 1000's too, so it's not the surface, it's the game.

Towser83
12-25-2011, 09:57 AM
I'm with you. Nadal fans love to say 'Rafa is in Roger's head'. Guess what. If Djokovic and Nadal play in the RG final and Rafa doesn't win the 1st set... he's done. I'll never forget the look on his face after the 2nd set at Wimbledon - the look of someone who knew he couldn't beat someone. And as you mentioned, Djokovic did it on clay at the 1000's too, so it's not the surface, it's the game.

You're right, Djokovic has gotten in Nadal's head in much the same way Nadal was in Federer's, maybe worse because Federer seemed to lose close matches because he panicked at getting ahead rather than he felt he was going to lose. Looking at W2008 and AO 2009, he could come back at Nadal but everytime he should have taken a lead he blew it. Blew loads of break points in the first 2 sets at Wimbledon, blew many BPs in the 3rd set of the AO which would have left him serving for a 2 set to 1 lead. Even at Hamburg and MC in 2008 and this years RG, he was the one in control early on but couldn't remain calm enough. On the other hand, Nadal though he blew leads at IW and Miami, was always playing catchup at Wimbledon and the US Open squandered leads very early on, so was not really that much in control, at Madrid and Rome he was never in control. So he's been ahead, he's been behind and still not solved the problem as of yet and he's looked a beaten man in his attitude more times than I had expected.

Also what people are not thinking about is the fact that he's only lost one best of 5 match on clay means it's going to happen sometime and the longer it goes the more likely it actually is. It could have been against Isner, but he managed to win that one comfortably in the last 2 sets, however, he'd never gone to 5 at RG before. And against Isner? The way Djokovic beat him on clay twice and the way Nadal was playing at RG, he was heading for a beating. The only thing that saved him was that Federer beat Djokovic and then cracked under pressure at crucial times when he could have won. We've seen Novak play Nadal this year 6 times and every time his mental strength was greater. He did it twice in slams. So surface is not an issue and playing a grand slam final is not an issue. If anything the real question mark would be at the US Open if Djokovic was holding the first 3 slams, cos that adds huge pressure. But at RG the pressure would be on Nadal the same way it was on Federer at Wimbledon 2008 (not as bad though). So Djokovic has beaten Nadal 4 times in a row in 4 finals, beaten him twice on clay without losing a set, Nadal is playing badly and now the pressure is on him to stop someone totally and utterly stealing his clay crown and it's the guy who's been tougher mentally than him all season? Simply put, Nadal was there for the taking this year, but Djokovic couldn't make it past Federer.

Hitman
12-25-2011, 10:05 AM
You're right, Djokovic has gotten in Nadal's head in much the same way Nadal was in Federer's, maybe worse because Federer seemed to lose close matches because he panicked at getting ahead rather than he felt he was going to lose. Looking at W2008 and AO 2009, he could come back at Nadal but everytime he should have taken a lead he blew it. Blew loads of break points in the first 2 sets at Wimbledon, blew many BPs in the 3rd set of the AO which would have left him serving for a 2 set to 1 lead. Even at Hamburg and MC in 2008 and this years RG, he was the one in control early on but couldn't remain calm enough. On the other hand, Nadal though he blew leads at IW and Miami, was always playing catchup at Wimbledon and the US Open squandered leads very early on, so was not really that much in control, at Madrid and Rome he was never in control. So he's been ahead, he's been behind and still not solved the problem as of yet and he's looked a beaten man in his attitude more times than I had expected.

Also what people are not thinking about is the fact that he's only lost one best of 5 match on clay means it's going to happen sometime and the longer it goes the more likely it actually is. It could have been against Isner, but he managed to win that one comfortably in the last 2 sets, however, he'd never gone to 5 at RG before. And against Isner? The way Djokovic beat him on clay twice and the way Nadal was playing at RG, he was heading for a beating. The only thing that saved him was that Federer beat Djokovic and then cracked under pressure at crucial times when he could have won. We've seen Novak play Nadal this year 6 times and every time his mental strength was greater. He did it twice in slams. So surface is not an issue and playing a grand slam final is not an issue. If anything the real question mark would be at the US Open if Djokovic was holding the first 3 slams, cos that adds huge pressure. But at RG the pressure would be on Nadal the same way it was on Federer at Wimbledon 2008 (not as bad though). So Djokovic has beaten Nadal 4 times in a row in 4 finals, beaten him twice on clay without losing a set, Nadal is playing badly and now the pressure is on him to stop someone totally and utterly stealing his clay crown and it's the guy who's been tougher mentally than him all season? Simply put, Nadal was there for the taking this year, but Djokovic couldn't make it past Federer.

Very good post, and you echo my thoughts exactly. And wasn't Grass meant to be Djokovic's worst surface? A lot of people had written him off as a guy who would never win Wimbledon, and that grass is the place where Nadal would stand his best chance to beat THIS Nole. The way he looked up to the heavens up losing, with tears in his eyes...he just looked like had no clue on how to get through Novak.

Mike Sams
12-25-2011, 10:25 AM
Very good post, and you echo my thoughts exactly. And wasn't Grass meant to be Djokovic's worst surface? A lot of people had written him off as a guy who would never win Wimbledon, and that grass is the place where Nadal would stand his best chance to beat THIS Nole. The way he looked up to the heavens up losing, with tears in his eyes...he just looked like had no clue on how to get through Novak.

Every great athlete should have one major rival.:)

Crisstti
12-25-2011, 04:02 PM
Huh? Nadal has always been sloppy outside of his matches. His mom always said so. That is why people are wrong when they accuse him of having obsessive compulsive disorder. He is simply in a zone when he plays matches, and that is all.

Believe me, being messy doesn't at all mean someone doesn't have OCD.

i thought it was a misprint.

Funnily, I've got no memory whatsoever about Nadal losing that match. I don't remember watching it, hearing about the result, nothing.

Man rafa is so unlucky, he would have a lot more slams if he was not injured

In a way yes, but on the other hand, he's lucky his foot problem didn't stop his career altogether when he was 19 or something. I rather look at it that way.

True but Djokovic beat him in straight sets on clay twice, and if anything Nadal was playing his worst tennis at RG. Even against Federer who he owns on clay, he had problems and really could have even lost in straight sets. Unless Djokovic massively choked, I think he'd have won the final this year, he was playing way better tennis and if anything looked more likley to win on clay than Hardcourt. That doesn't mean he'll win next year, but given the results of Rome and Madrid, nadal form at RG, his mental strength this year and the way every matchup went with Djokovic, I would say Djokovic would have won, about 80% sure. I know Nadal has only ever lost one match on clay over 5 sets but no-one won 4 sets in a row on clay agaisnt him before

Mainly agree, but I think you should give Roger more credit there. He was playing amazingly during the whole tournament. And Rafa played better in the final than he had been playing before.

Crisstti
12-25-2011, 04:05 PM
I'm with you. Nadal fans love to say 'Rafa is in Roger's head'. Guess what. If Djokovic and Nadal play in the RG final and Rafa doesn't win the 1st set... he's done. I'll never forget the look on his face after the 2nd set at Wimbledon - the look of someone who knew he couldn't beat someone. And as you mentioned, Djokovic did it on clay at the 1000's too, so it's not the surface, it's the game.

I've always gotten the impression that it's Roger fans who like to say that.

You're right, Djokovic has gotten in Nadal's head in much the same way Nadal was in Federer's, maybe worse because Federer seemed to lose close matches because he panicked at getting ahead rather than he felt he was going to lose. Looking at W2008 and AO 2009, he could come back at Nadal but everytime he should have taken a lead he blew it. Blew loads of break points in the first 2 sets at Wimbledon, blew many BPs in the 3rd set of the AO which would have left him serving for a 2 set to 1 lead. Even at Hamburg and MC in 2008 and this years RG, he was the one in control early on but couldn't remain calm enough. On the other hand, Nadal though he blew leads at IW and Miami, was always playing catchup at Wimbledon and the US Open squandered leads very early on, so was not really that much in control, at Madrid and Rome he was never in control. So he's been ahead, he's been behind and still not solved the problem as of yet and he's looked a beaten man in his attitude more times than I had expected.

Also what people are not thinking about is the fact that he's only lost one best of 5 match on clay means it's going to happen sometime and the longer it goes the more likely it actually is. It could have been against Isner, but he managed to win that one comfortably in the last 2 sets, however, he'd never gone to 5 at RG before. And against Isner? The way Djokovic beat him on clay twice and the way Nadal was playing at RG, he was heading for a beating. The only thing that saved him was that Federer beat Djokovic and then cracked under pressure at crucial times when he could have won. We've seen Novak play Nadal this year 6 times and every time his mental strength was greater. He did it twice in slams. So surface is not an issue and playing a grand slam final is not an issue. If anything the real question mark would be at the US Open if Djokovic was holding the first 3 slams, cos that adds huge pressure. But at RG the pressure would be on Nadal the same way it was on Federer at Wimbledon 2008 (not as bad though). So Djokovic has beaten Nadal 4 times in a row in 4 finals, beaten him twice on clay without losing a set, Nadal is playing badly and now the pressure is on him to stop someone totally and utterly stealing his clay crown and it's the guy who's been tougher mentally than him all season? Simply put, Nadal was there for the taking this year, but Djokovic couldn't make it past Federer.

Mainly agree with you. Mustard wasn't saying Rafa was the favourite to win though, but merely that we shouldn't assume he would have lost. He certainly still stood a chance.

Very good post, and you echo my thoughts exactly. And wasn't Grass meant to be Djokovic's worst surface? A lot of people had written him off as a guy who would never win Wimbledon, and that grass is the place where Nadal would stand his best chance to beat THIS Nole. The way he looked up to the heavens up losing, with tears in his eyes...he just looked like had no clue on how to get through Novak.

:confused:

Towser83
12-25-2011, 05:35 PM
Very good post, and you echo my thoughts exactly. And wasn't Grass meant to be Djokovic's worst surface? A lot of people had written him off as a guy who would never win Wimbledon, and that grass is the place where Nadal would stand his best chance to beat THIS Nole. The way he looked up to the heavens up losing, with tears in his eyes...he just looked like had no clue on how to get through Novak.

Thanks. Yeah grass was where he was least good at, on clay he'd beaten Federer and given Nadal problems back in 2008 and especially 2009.

Mainly agree, but I think you should give Roger more credit there. He was playing amazingly during the whole tournament. And Rafa played better in the final than he had been playing before.

True, nadal did pick up his game in the last couple of matches, although he still displayed lapses on concentration that he normally wouldn't, a key example being his loss of the 3rd set after leading by a break - at 2-0 up in sets I never thought he could lose the 3rd. But also true, Federer did play some great tennis, just in the final he was not as water tight as in the semis, in the semis he really had the killer instinct, although obviously nadal is his nemisis. But he lost some killer instict at crucial times and got too nervous I think. Judging by how the year went, Djokovic was less likely to do that.


Mainly agree with you. Mustard wasn't saying Rafa was the favourite to win though, but merely that we shouldn't assume he would have lost. He certainly still stood a chance.


Yeah true.

Clarky21
12-25-2011, 06:06 PM
I've always gotten the impression that it's Roger fans who like to say that.



Mainly agree with you. Mustard wasn't saying Rafa was the favourite to win though, but merely that we shouldn't assume he would have lost. He certainly still stood a chance.



:confused:



I do not believe that. I need solid proof that **** actually made Nadal cry or esle it's just total BS rubbish.

DMan
12-26-2011, 12:25 AM
Here we go. Start your engines folks, the injury/illness excuses are already starting to flow! :twisted:
Yeah, for 2012.

But the Excuse Machine Train has been in full gear for quite some time. It just gets up more speed at certain times of the year.

vernonbc
12-26-2011, 12:49 AM
Yeah, for 2012.

But the Excuse Machine Train has been in full gear for quite some time. It just gets up more speed at certain times of the year.
You mean like the Fedfans who still use a year long case of mono as the excuse for every match Fed played in 2008?

nadalwon2012
12-26-2011, 12:50 AM
If Nadal's neatening of bottles extended beyond his tennis matches then it would be logical to assume he had some level of OCD. But since he doesn't even care about bottles in tennis training, let alone outside of tennis, clearly no OCD (not that OCD is a bad thing).

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 02:38 AM
Gosh! Rafa's bottles caused an earthquake. It was explained so many times that I really feel awkward repeating it for the umpteenth time.

Rafa started competing when he was very young, and most of the time his rivals were older than he was like he won an under-12 tournament when he was 8and most kids in the tournament were 12. He was scared, and Toni told him to be busy with something to pacify the butterflies in his stomack: arrange bottles, relace shoes, etc. That's what he is still doing for the same purpose.

BTW Federer's manner to set his hair and tilt out his head every time he is in trouble is OCD or you've found some other diagnosis?

And we haven't discussed his butt for quite a long time.

nadalwon2012
12-26-2011, 03:16 AM
Thanks Mary, but I couldn't read your post, was afraid it would give away content in the Rafa autobiography which I have not yeet read.

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 04:43 AM
Nadal's busy getting his mental strength back, he'll thrash everyone at AO. Just you guys wait.

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 04:50 AM
Thanks Mary, but I couldn't read your post, was afraid it would give away content in the Rafa autobiography which I have not yeet read.

Which of them? Rafa has already concocted two. BTW the second one is much better.

Has anybody read Federer's bio "Quest to perfection"? Is it worth reading, or it is a boring description of every game played like in the forst Nadal's book?

cc0509
12-26-2011, 09:46 AM
You mean like the Fedfans who still use a year long case of mono as the excuse for every match Fed played in 2008?

What "normal" Federer fan uses the mono excuse for Federer in all matches in 2008?

In the injury excuse realm Nadal is leagues above Federer and for anybody to suggest otherwise (Fed or Nadal fan) is simply ridiculous. There is no comparison in that area, sorry. Try again.

Cup8489
12-26-2011, 09:50 AM
What "normal" Federer fan uses the mono excuse for Federer in all matches in 2008?

In the injury excuse realm Nadal is leagues above Federer and for anybody to suggest otherwise (Fed or Nadal fan) is simply ridiculous. There is no comparison in that area, sorry. Try again.

vernonbc is generalizing, grouping all Fans of Federer into the crazy ******* category. pay no attention.

Crisstti
12-26-2011, 10:13 AM
If Nadal's neatening of bottles extended beyond his tennis matches then it would be logical to assume he had some level of OCD. But since he doesn't even care about bottles in tennis training, let alone outside of tennis, clearly no OCD (not that OCD is a bad thing).

He can have other rituals/compultions outside of tennis. They don't have to be the same.

OCD is a bad thing...

What "normal" Federer fan uses the mono excuse for Federer in all matches in 2008?

In the injury excuse realm Nadal is leagues above Federer and for anybody to suggest otherwise (Fed or Nadal fan) is simply ridiculous. There is no comparison in that area, sorry. Try again.

It doesn't matter that no "normal" Fed fans use the mono excuse all the time. Some do.

Does after all any "normal" Rafa fan say he was injured any time he's lost?.

aphex
12-26-2011, 10:18 AM
Nadal's busy getting his mental strength back, he'll thrash everyone at AO. Just you guys wait.

I wish you would keep up with the ******* news thread dear Senti...
He's actually in a Humour Revival Farm working on his humor strength at the moment.

The mental strength clinic will follow...

TennisFan3
12-26-2011, 11:59 AM
Good job from Nadal with Abu Dhabi. Smart scheduling decision. In an ideal scenario (given the way his body is breaking down) he should skip the next 3-4 months. Then he should come back in clay season/Wimb/Olympics for one last push.

What's the point of AO anyway. For Djoko, AO is like peak Fed's UsOpen and Peak Nadal's F.O. That is, he's almost unbeatable there. given the way the surface suits his game. He can win playing his B game, and if he's at his best, the rest of the field will hardly get a set - as we saw in AO 2008 and AO 2011.

Anyway, my guess is that we'll see more from Murray/Delpo than about Nadal/Fed in the big events this year..

tennis_pro
12-26-2011, 12:07 PM
It doesn't matter that no "normal" Fed fans use the mono excuse all the time. Some do.

Does after all any "normal" Rafa fan say he was injured any times he's lost?.

You'd be surprised.

OddJack
12-26-2011, 12:12 PM
^^^ FO for Nadal is not a given anymore. Remember no one has won it 7 times. Not that he cant, but we are talking history and stats plus there is his state of mind and health. Djoker has a better chance of winning it.Given he has no injuries.
The upcoming clay season is very important in balancing the power among the top 4, so we will know much more once the masters are concluded before RG.

TennisFan3
12-26-2011, 12:23 PM
^^^ FO for Nadal is not a given anymore. Remember no one has won it 7 times. Not that he cant, but we are talking history and stats plus there is his state of mind and health. Djoker has a better chance of winning it.Given he has no injuries.
The upcoming clay season is very important in balancing the power among the top 4, so we will know much more once the masters are concluded before RG.

Sure F.O is not a given anymore for Nadal. And I'll be the first to admit that he would have likely lost in routine fashion had Djoko made the finals this year.

That said, Nadal has a far better chance at F.O, than he does at AO, UsOpen etc. At F.O, his problem is only Djokovic. If someone takes out Djoko, Nadal can win. In AO, UsOpen - however, there are several players who could beat Nadal.

IMO, going forward, Nadal's best chances will be at the F.O and Wimbledon. I'd be very surprised if he won a hard court slam. Or even made the final of one. So it's much the best course for him to restrict his play and concentrate only on the summers. Of course, from recent reports his knees are not getting any better either..

OddJack
12-26-2011, 12:32 PM
Sure F.O is not a given anymore for Nadal. And I'll be the first to admit that he would have likely lost in routine fashion had Djoko made the finals this year.

That said, Nadal has a far better chance at F.O, than he does at AO, UsOpen etc. At F.O, his problem is only Djokovic. If someone takes out Djoko, Nadal can win. In AO, UsOpen - however, there are several players who could beat Nadal. Easily at that..

IMO, going forward, Nadal's best chances will be at the F.O and Wimbledon. I'd be very surprised if he won a hard court slam. Or even made the final of one. So it's much the best course for him to restrict his play and concentrate only on the summers. Of course, from recent reports his knees are not getting any better either..

See, that's where things get interesting when we include Fed in the equation. As is, Nadal can meet Djok only in final. If Fed takes Nadals ranking then Rafa can go out in Semis, which in at least 3 of the 4 majors gives huge boost to Fed chances. The diff in 2 & 3 ranking is huge for Rodge at this time.

Crisstti
12-26-2011, 12:46 PM
Sure F.O is not a given anymore for Nadal. And I'll be the first to admit that he would have likely lost in routine fashion had Djoko made the finals this year.

That said, Nadal has a far better chance at F.O, than he does at AO, UsOpen etc. At F.O, his problem is only Djokovic. If someone takes out Djoko, Nadal can win. In AO, UsOpen - however, there are several players who could beat Nadal. Easily at that..

IMO, going forward, Nadal's best chances will be at the F.O and Wimbledon. I'd be very surprised if he won a hard court slam. Or even made the final of one. So it's much the best course for him to restrict his play and concentrate only on the summers. Of course, from recent reports his knees are not getting any better either..

I don't know why you talk so negatively about Rafa's chances. Rafa just made the final of the USO, and you'd be very surprised if he won a HC slam again?.
And to what players was Rafa close to losing easily in this year's USO (or at the AO, for that matter?.

Also, Rafa's body is "breaking down"?. :confused:

TennisFan3
12-26-2011, 12:58 PM
I don't know why you talk so negatively about Rafa's chances. Rafa just made the final of the USO, and you'd be very surprised if he won a HC slam again?.
And to what players was Rafa close to losing easily in this year's USO (or at the AO, for that matter?.

Also, Rafa's bosy is "breaking down"?. :confused:

What I meant is that it is much harder to beat Nadal at F.O and Wimb, than it is on hardcourts. At the F.O, I would only say that Djokovic is a contender, until otherwise proved. Similar for Wimbledon, where Nadal has made 5 finals. In contrast, at AO, UsOpen players such as Delpo, Murray, Fed can take out Nadal in addition to Djoko..

Finally, w.r.t your second point, I've read news on Nadal having trouble with his knees and shoulder even though he had a light post UsOpen schedule, and had plenty of rest before WTF. So yeah, that's not good news for 2012 and beyond. When you're winning you can push a battered body. But when you're not, it becomes much harder.

Anyway, I'm not negative on Nadal. Just realistic. He'll need to make some hard choices and limit his schedule if he wants to win ( 1 or more) majors..

cc0509
12-26-2011, 01:48 PM
I don't know why you talk so negatively about Rafa's chances. Rafa just made the final of the USO, and you'd be very surprised if he won a HC slam again?.
And to what players was Rafa close to losing easily in this year's USO (or at the AO, for that matter?.

Also, Rafa's bosy is "breaking down"?. :confused:

Making the final is not winning the tournament. Djokovic won and Djokovic has defeated Nadal in 6 finals in a row. HC surface is far from Nadal's best surface and I would say he is the 3rd favorite to win at the AO behind Djokovic and Federer.

Have you not read Nadal's latest interview where he states that, "perhaps I won't get it back for January but I must have it back for April." He is referring to getting his confidence and form back. Does that sound to you like somebody who thinks he will win the AO? I also think that Nadal is unlikely to win a HC slam again if things continue as they have in 2011.

Clarky21
12-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Good job from Nadal with Abu Dhabi. Smart scheduling decision. In an ideal scenario (given the way his body is breaking down) he should skip the next 3-4 months. Then he should come back in clay season/Wimb/Olympics for one last push.

What's the point of AO anyway. For Djoko, AO is like peak Fed's UsOpen and Peak Nadal's F.O. That is, he's almost unbeatable there. given the way the surface suits his game. He can win playing his B game, and if he's at his best, the rest of the field will hardly get a set - as we saw in AO 2008 and AO 2011.



Anyway, my guess is that we'll see more from Murray/Delpo than about Nadal/Fed in the big events this year..

This is exactly what I said. He should skip the first part of the season,and show up in April and try and win something during the clay season. He hasn't got a shot in holy h*ll of winning anything before then anyway.

I also agree with you about his scheduling. He is chasing the money yet again despite his injury problems. His shoulder is so messed up he hadn't even practiced at all until just last week,and he still can't practice his serve. Skipping the first part of the year makes sense for him,and his ranking shouldn't matter because it's going to fall anyway no matter if he plays or not.

Clarky21
12-26-2011, 01:56 PM
Sure F.O is not a given anymore for Nadal. And I'll be the first to admit that he would have likely lost in routine fashion had Djoko made the finals this year.

That said, Nadal has a far better chance at F.O, than he does at AO, UsOpen etc. At F.O, his problem is only Djokovic. If someone takes out Djoko, Nadal can win. In AO, UsOpen - however, there are several players who could beat Nadal.

IMO, going forward, Nadal's best chances will be at the F.O and Wimbledon. I'd be very surprised if he won a hard court slam. Or even made the final of one. So it's much the best course for him to restrict his play and concentrate only on the summers. Of course, from recent reports his knees are not getting any better either..


No way he wins another Wimby,and RG is definitely not happening either. He won't win another slam as I have said before. I won't be surprised if he loses by the quarters or semis in all of the slams next year. Actually,I would be shocked if he made it any further than that.

Mustard
12-26-2011, 03:26 PM
Djokovic has something to prove after his woeful finish to 2011. He needs to maintain the excellent standard he set for most of 2011 to keep that "aura".

beast of mallorca
12-26-2011, 04:13 PM
No way he wins another Wimby,and RG is definitely not happening either. He won't win another slam as I have said before. I won't be surprised if he loses by the quarters or semis in all of the slams next year. Actually,I would be shocked if he made it any further than that.

What I'm not surprise with, is the garbage that you post. Way to go Clarky !

Crisstti
12-26-2011, 04:17 PM
What I meant is that it is much harder to beat Nadal at F.O and Wimb, than it is on hardcourts. At the F.O, I would only say that Djokovic is a contender, until otherwise proved. Similar for Wimbledon, where Nadal has made 5 finals. In contrast, at AO, UsOpen players such as Delpo, Murray, Fed can take out Nadal in addition to Djoko..

Finally, w.r.t your second point, I've read news on Nadal having trouble with his knees and shoulder even though he had a light post UsOpen schedule, and had plenty of rest before WTF. So yeah, that's not good news for 2012 and beyond. When you're winning you can push a battered body. But when you're not, it becomes much harder.

Anyway, I'm not negative on Nadal. Just realistic. He'll need to make some hard choices and limit his schedule if he wants to win ( 1 or more) majors..

Sure Rafa has better chances of winning in RG or Wimbledon, but being that he reached the final of the USO (and in the AO lost when injured to a player he would in all likelihood have beaten otherwise) I don't think we can say he has no chance in the HC slams. It wouldn't make any sense for him to skip them, unless it's for health reasons.

The news about the problems with his shoulder and knees are of course not good, but I really think that to say his body is "breaking down" is over reacting... a lot.

How much can he really limit his schedule anyway without getting some kind of penalty?.

Making the final is not winning the tournament. Djokovic won and Djokovic has defeated Nadal in 6 finals in a row. HC surface is far from Nadal's best surface and I would say he is the 3rd favorite to win at the AO behind Djokovic and Federer.

Have you not read Nadal's latest interview where he states that, "perhaps I won't get it back for January but I must have it back for April." He is referring to getting his confidence and form back. Does that sound to you like somebody who thinks he will win the AO? I also think that Nadal is unlikely to win a HC slam again if things continue as they have in 2011.

It isn't winning it, but it doesn't exactly points to that players having no chance of winning.

I haven't read that interview, no.

cc0509
12-26-2011, 05:46 PM
It isn't winning it, but it doesn't exactly points to that players having no chance of winning.

I haven't read that interview, no.

Here is the link to the interview in Spanish:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/He/sido/tenista/demasiado/previsible/elpepidep/20111226elpepidep_1/Tes

Here are two answers to questions that were apparently translated. This is what I mean about Nadal saying he may not have what he needs back by January but he must have it back by April. I am relying on that translation but I have no clue if it is 100% accurate. I am sure you will be able to see if the translation is a good one.

Q. "Aquí no regalan nada / todo tiene un alto precio / peldaño que vas
subiendo / peldaño que hay que pagar"
"There are no gifts given here / everything has a high price / every
step you climb / has to be paid for" the words say. What mental toll
have you paid for your losses to Nole?


RN. One loses a bit of intensity over the years. The intensity in your
belief in yourself, in your concentration, in being positive, in
believing things are going to go well.. these are all in the mind. You
gradually lose a bit of this over the years. You get burnt out by
competition. I've spent seven years practically without being out of the
top two in the world. It's the same as when they say I have a lot of
injuries. I don't get injured much. I've had problems many times, but
those that have been injured a great deal are Del Potro, Tsonga.. With
seven years without dropping from the top two in the world and with the
way tennis functions, it's impossible for me to have been much injured.
It's always the same. They talk for the sake of talking. Many people
write giving their impression, not quoting the statistics. I've had
difficult moments, problems, but not really serious injuries... and it
appears I get injured a lot.


Q. I was asking you about your head not your body.


RN. It's the same thing. My head was fine during the first half of the
year, not perfect, because I was missing that bit more in the matches
against Djokovic. But I was fine: I accepted the defeats, I went back to
working, fighting... but clearly I lacked a little bit more level in my
tennis. When you have that, your brain responds better. My game needed
to have been less predictable. I was far too predictable many times
during the season. These are things I have to get back for 2012. Perhaps
I won't get it back for January... but I must have it back by April.

nadalwon2012
12-26-2011, 08:20 PM
Sure F.O is not a given anymore for Nadal. And I'll be the first to admit that he would have likely lost in routine fashion had Djoko made the finals this year.

That said, Nadal has a far better chance at F.O, than he does at AO, UsOpen etc. At F.O, his problem is only Djokovic. If someone takes out Djoko, Nadal can win. In AO, UsOpen - however, there are several players who could beat Nadal.

IMO, going forward, Nadal's best chances will be at the F.O and Wimbledon. I'd be very surprised if he won a hard court slam. Or even made the final of one. So it's much the best course for him to restrict his play and concentrate only on the summers. Of course, from recent reports his knees are not getting any better either..

So let me get his straight... You are relying on someone to take Djokovic out for Nadal to win Roland Garros. Yet you would be 'very surprised' if Nadal won a hard court slam? Nadal has made the last 2 US Open finals (and won one of them). And last year at the Australian Open it took a torn muscle for Nadal to get knocked out by Ferrer, after Nadal had not dropped a set in the first 4 rounds. Nadal is extremely close to winning more hardcourt slams. Either by beating Djokovic, or by someone else beating Djokovic. It's unlikely another player will beat Nadal at the hardcourt slams if he maintains his 2011 form.

MichaelNadal
12-26-2011, 09:16 PM
Djokovic has something to prove after his woeful finish to 2011. He needs to maintain the excellent standard he set for most of 2011 to keep that "aura".

According to Clarky, all he has to do is show up for the next few years....

Mike Sams
12-26-2011, 09:18 PM
So let me get his straight... You are relying on someone to take Djokovic out for Nadal to win Roland Garros. Yet you would be 'very surprised' if Nadal won a hard court slam? Nadal has made the last 2 US Open finals (and won one of them). And last year at the Australian Open it took a torn muscle for Nadal to get knocked out by Ferrer, after Nadal had not dropped a set in the first 4 rounds. Nadal is extremely close to winning more hardcourt slams. Either by beating Djokovic, or by someone else beating Djokovic. It's unlikely another player will beat Nadal at the hardcourt slams if he maintains his 2011 form.

Ferrer has always been a difficult match-up for Nadal on hardcourts. Nadal has rarely ever had it easy against Ferrer at anytime when they've played on hardcourts. Injury or not, Nadal wasn't going to simply crush Ferrer that day. Ferrer was in great form.

Clarky21
12-26-2011, 10:38 PM
According to Clarky, all he has to do is show up for the next few years....


Ok,you tell me who is good enough to beat him then?

And I am hardly the only saying that **** is going to dominate. How come you don't make sarcastic comments toward those people as well?

tennis_pro
12-26-2011, 10:55 PM
According to Clarky, all he has to do is show up for the next few years....

who's going to stop him? Nadal is burned mentally, Murray is lost mentally, the only real threat for Djokovic is a 31-year old Federer, the rest of the tour are a bunch of nobodies (maybe excluding Tsonga and the ever returning to his best Del Potro).

cc0509
12-26-2011, 11:04 PM
who's going to stop him? Nadal is burned mentally, Murray is lost mentally, the only real threat for Djokovic is a 31-year old Federer, the rest of the tour are a bunch of nobodies (maybe excluding Tsonga and the ever returning to his best Del Potro).

+1.............

I can't believe most people don't see it. Djokovic does not even have to play at his top 2011 form to dominate for 2012. When Nadal says himself that he may not have his mental component and form by January but he definitely needs it by April, what more do Nadal fans need to hear? That is not the talk of a confident champion who thinks he is going to sweep the slams in 2012, and as you said Federer at age 30 is not going to sweep the slams either. If he is lucky he will win one. Who is left? Del Po? No way. To me he is not in the league of the current top three or four. Tsonga? Don't make me laugh. Unless Djokovic has a complete mental lapse or is injured, I don't see how he will not win at least two slams next year.

MichaelNadal
12-26-2011, 11:12 PM
who's going to stop him? Nadal is burned mentally, Murray is lost mentally, the only real threat for Djokovic is a 31-year old Federer, the rest of the tour are a bunch of nobodies (maybe excluding Tsonga and the ever returning to his best Del Potro).

Nothing is a given in tennis. It's stupid to say things like he's gonna dominate the next few years. He couldn't even dominate the end of this one. The guy isn't invincible.

cc0509
12-26-2011, 11:18 PM
Nothing is a given in tennis. It's stupid to say things like he's gonna dominate the next few years. He couldn't even dominate the end of this one. The guy isn't invincible.

So again, who is going to dominate? Nadal who has his share of problems right now or a geriatric Federer? I don't think at this point that Djokovic is going to go on and be a great in the same way Nadal or Federer are, but if you look around the ATP right now who is playing by far the best tennis?
You are right Djokovic crapped out at the end of the season and to me that takes him down a few pegs but do you really believe Djokovic will enter the AO in poor form? According to his latest interviews he wants to win as many slams as he can. That does not sound like the attitude of somebody who is not in for the fight to do so at least in 2012.

TennisFan3
12-26-2011, 11:23 PM
The only person who can "POTENTIALLY" stop Djokovic is Juan Martin Del Potro.

Murray, Nadal, Fed etc have little to no chance IMO. Why? Because Nadal, Fed are nearing their expiry date, and poor Muzz is a headcase at the biggest events. JMDP is the only one with the mental fortitude and tennis ability to stop peak Djokovic.

That said, in the absence of Delpo not coming to his 2009 form (and without a hitherto unknown new great player suddenly bursting on the scene) expect Djoko to dominate for some years.

I won't be surprised if 2011-2014 for Djoko looks like Fed's 2004-2007. I can see Djoko racking up slams, including (but not limited to) a possible CYGS. This is because, unlike Fed, Djoko has no real rival on clay..

tennis_pro
12-26-2011, 11:23 PM
Nothing is a given in tennis. It's stupid to say things like he's gonna dominate the next few years. He couldn't even dominate the end of this one. The guy isn't invincible.

I think he had enough after the US Open mentally rather than physically. It didn't seem like he cared what happened in the last 3 months of the season as long as he had 3 majors in his bag.

Nobody says he is going to dominate for the next 5 years, but people who claim (aka nadalslamking2012 bulzilla etc) that Djokovic is going to dissappear just like that are simply delusional. He's been in the top 3 for the last 5 years, never dropped lover than no 4 and is going strong. Unless some crazy ********* stabs him in the back (but that applies to everyone really), Novak is going to stay.

Sentinel
12-27-2011, 01:17 AM
According to Clarky, all he has to do is show up for the next few years....
This Clarky poster is getting better day by day. Nole has to just not have gluten for a few more years, the rest will logically follow.

That said, we need to hold our horses a wee bit, you know till the end of AO. If Nole does a repeat of last year, I can be pretty sure he'll have a great year, pacing himself better this time so he can finish the year in one piece.

It all comes down to how quickly Sir Raphael finds his mental strength.

passive_aggressive
12-27-2011, 02:03 AM
who's going to stop him? Nadal is burned mentally, Murray is lost mentally, the only real threat for Djokovic is a 31-year old Federer, the rest of the tour are a bunch of nobodies (maybe excluding Tsonga and the ever returning to his best Del Potro).

No, I say who's going to stop RAFA??

Once he recovers his mental strength (which he'll get back by the AO '12) - he has no rival. Djokovic seems already burnt out.

Anyway, even conceding that Djokovic is his rival (baffling since Djokovic is technically his 'pigeon' in terms of their H2H) he wouldn't meet Djokovic until the final, so at the VERY LEAST, Nadal will make the AO final (and the finals of the other 3 Slams in the year) without breaking a sweat.

Think how motivated you would be if you were Rafa!! You know you won't face anyone remotely capable of knocking you out until the FINAL. Not the semifinal, the actual final. The highest ranked player in your half is going to be Andy Murray who hasn't legitimately beaten you in a slam for about 4 years, and who you sleepwalked through THREE TIMES last year in slams.

To cap it all off, you know that there is a fair chance that old man Fed may make your life even easier by knocking out your only threat in the semi's and then all-but handing you the title in the final.

It's easy being Nadal right now.

For likelihood of winning 2012 AO, I'll give: 85% Rafa, 15% Joker, ZERO% anyone else.

cc0509
12-27-2011, 02:24 AM
No, I say who's going to stop RAFA??

Once he recovers his mental strength (which he'll get back by the AO '12) - he has no rival. Djokovic seems already burnt out.

Anyway, even conceding that Djokovic is his rival (baffling since Djokovic is technically his 'pigeon' in terms of their H2H) he wouldn't meet Djokovic until the final, so at the VERY LEAST, Nadal will make the AO final (and the finals of the other 3 Slams in the year) without breaking a sweat.

Think how motivated you would be if you were Rafa!! You know you won't face anyone remotely capable of knocking you out until the FINAL. Not the semifinal, the actual final. The highest ranked player in your half is going to be Andy Murray who hasn't legitimately beaten you in a slam for about 4 years, and who you sleepwalked through THREE TIMES last year in slams.

To cap it all off, you know that there is a fair chance that old man Fed may make your life even easier by knocking out your only threat in the semi's and then all-but handing you the title in the final.

It's easy being Nadal right now.

For likelihood of winning 2012 AO, I'll give: 85% Rafa, 15% Joker, ZERO% anyone else.



LOL! You are not very informed are you? Newsflash: Last time Nadal reached the finals of the AO was in 2009 where he won the event. In contrast Federer won the event in 2010 and in 2011 reached the SF.

Nadal is not the favorite at this event. The favorite by far is Djokovic followed by Federer. Can Nadal win the AO this year? Sure, anything is possible but honestly I have trouble seeing it happen. Rafa himself just said that he has lost some of his mental strength and he may not have it back for January but wants to make sure he gets it back for April. Those words are not inspiring me to think he will win the AO this year. Plus your comment that Djokovic is burnt out is silly. He just had the greatest year he has ever had, do you think all of a sudden he will forget how to hit a tennis ball?

zagor
12-27-2011, 02:46 AM
LOL! You are not very informed are you? Newsflash: Last time Nadal reached the finals of the AO was in 2009 where he won the event. In contrast Federer won the event in 2010 and in 2011 reached the SF.

Nadal is not the favorite at this event. The favorite by far is Djokovic followed by Federer. Can Nadal win the AO this year? Sure, anything is possible but honestly I have trouble seeing it happen. Rafa himself just said that he has lost some of his mental strength and he may not have it back for January but wants to make sure he gets it back for April. Those words are not inspiring me to think he will win the AO this year. Plus your comment that Djokovic is burnt out is silly. He just had the greatest year he has ever had, do you think all of a sudden he will forget how to hit a tennis ball?

You do realize he's trolling you, don't you?

Regardless Fed is not the favourite above Nadal for AO, he's been a mess in BO5 lately(losing two matches in which he up 2-0 in sets) and hasn't won a slam since 2010 AO. He'll turn 31 next year and will likely decline further. He's still a contender for slams but more of an outside contender(like say Murray) than anything else. Two main favourites for every slam next year are Novak and Nadal, then everyone else.

As for Nadal's recent statements. Fact is, what Nadal says and does are two vastly different things, he has always been reserved and downplayed his chances massively, that's his shtick.

If Nadal doesn't have any physical issues at AO he'll be good to go as long as he isn't facing Novak. Sure there are some guys that can be dangerous, the main one being Murray(most likely Nadal's potential SF opponent) but aside from Novak I'd favour Nadal against anyone else.

tusharlovesrafa
12-27-2011, 02:51 AM
Ok,you tell me who is good enough to beat him then?

And I am hardly the only saying that **** is going to dominate. How come you don't make sarcastic comments toward those people as well?

Can you answer my few very very personal questions in secret.
1.who's fan are you??
2.Do you have any past history of trauma?
3.do you drink regularly?
4.What kind of harmones are released in your body while watching Nadal play?
5.Where did you discover the name 'possum" for novak?

cc0509
12-27-2011, 02:56 AM
You do realize he's trolling you, don't you?

Regardless Fed is not the favourite above Nadal for AO, he's been a mess in BO5 lately(losing two matches in which he up 2-0 in sets) and hasn't won a slam since 2010 AO. He'll turn 31 next year and will likely decline further. He's still a contender for slams but more of an outside contender(like say Murray) than anything else. Two main favourites for every slam next year are Novak and Nadal, then everyone else.

As for Nadal's recent statements. Fact is, what Nadal says and does are two vastly different things, he has always been reserved and downplayed his chances massively, that's his shtick.

If Nadal doesn't have any physical issues at AO he'll be good to go as long as he isn't facing Novak. Sure there are some guys that can be dangerous, the main one being Murray(most likely Nadal's potential SF opponent) but aside from Novak I'd favour Nadal against anyone else.

Sure I know he is trolling.

I beg to differ with you that Nadal is the favorite to win the AO over Federer according to most things I have read so far and the results in the last two years of Nadal and Federer at the AO confirm that. The favorite for sure is Djokovic and I think Federer has a better shot than Nadal at winning the AO, although I admit that is also unlikely at his age. Regarding what Nadal says and does being two different things, I agree that saying negative things about his chances are his schtick but he has not been able to show what he can do very well for the past 6 months and that is what I am going on when I say I don't think he is the favorite and I think he is the 3rd favorite.

Let's see our predictions stack up. :)

OddJack
12-27-2011, 03:15 AM
You do realize he's trolling you, don't you?

Regardless Fed is not the favourite above Nadal for AO, he's been a mess in BO5 lately(losing two matches in which he up 2-0 in sets) and hasn't won a slam since 2010 AO. He'll turn 31 next year and will likely decline further. He's still a contender for slams but more of an outside contender(like say Murray) than anything else. Two main favourites for every slam next year are Novak and Nadal, then everyone else.

As for Nadal's recent statements. Fact is, what Nadal says and does are two vastly different things, he has always been reserved and downplayed his chances massively, that's his shtick.

If Nadal doesn't have any physical issues at AO he'll be good to go as long as he isn't facing Novak. Sure there are some guys that can be dangerous, the main one being Murray(most likely Nadal's potential SF opponent) but aside from Novak I'd favour Nadal against anyone else.

He is not a favorite above Nadal according to who? To you maybe he is not, to odd-makers, yes he is. Just check around.

If someone said Nadal was a mess in 2011 you would point out that he won a major and reached a Q and 2 final. Now how is that 2SF one Q and 1 F is a mess?

If Nadal doesn't have any physical issues at AO he'll be good to go as long as he isn't facing Novak.



Good to go where? They can only meet in final. As far as I remember Nadal has lost to players other than Novak in AO. Are you putting him in final if he is not injured already?

zagor
12-27-2011, 03:16 AM
Sure I know he is trolling.

Yeah, it's blatantly obvious.

I beg to differ with you that Nadal is the favorite to win the AO over Federer according to most things I have read so far and the results in the last two years of Nadal and Federer at the AO confirm that.

Fair enough, Nadal's performances at AO for the last 2 years where definitely poorer than Fed's though speaking in overall level of play when it comes to BO5 matches these days Nadal still has a considerable edge IMO.

[QUOTE=cc0509;6193013]The favorite for sure is Djokovic and I think Federer has a better shot than Nadal at winning the AO, although I admit that is also unlikely at his age. Regarding what Nadal says and does being two different things, I agree that saying negative things about his chances are his schtick but he has not been able to show what he can do very well for the past 6 months and that is what I am going on when I say I don't think he is the favorite and I think he is the 3rd favorite.

Well Nadal has usually been poor after USO in almost every season so I wouldn't draw too much from that. DC final on clay was strange a bit though, tired Delpo giving Nadal so much trouble(breadstick in the 1st set, serving for the fifth)is not something I expected. Then again Sam Querrey of all people took a set off Nadal in their DC meeting on clay in 2008, the year in which Nadal's CC level was the highest according to most people, DC can have some strange results.

Let's see our predictions stack up. :)

Should be a good one, AO usually has more surprises in store than other slams.

zagor
12-27-2011, 03:20 AM
He is not a favorite above Nadal according to who? To you maybe he is not, to odd-makers, yes he is. Just check around.

If someone said Nadal was a mess in 2011 you would point out that he won a major and reached a Q and 2 final. Now how is that 2SF one Q and 1 F is a mess?

Well oddmakers also had Murray as the main favourite for 2009 AO( If I'm not wrong) and also favoured Federer to beat Nadal in the final after Nadal's grueling SF against Verdasco. They are hardly flawless.

Yes I should have added "IMO" before that sentence. In my opinion Nadal is the 2nd favourite above Fed, odd-makers along with other people might see things differently.

I don't quite understand the 2nd paragraph, I wouldn't say Nadal's 2011 was a mess, he had a few finer years for sure but overall it was a standard year for him looking at his whole career.

Good to go where? They can only meet in final. As far as I remember Nadal has lost to players other than Novak in AO. Are you putting him in final if he is not injured already?

I'm not penciling him in the final, I'm favouring him to reach the final if he's:

a)Healthy
b)Not having to play Novak in the SF.

OddJack
12-27-2011, 03:24 AM
Well oddmakers also had Murray as the main favourite for 2009 AO( If I'm not wrong) and also favoured Federer to beat Nadal in the final after Nadal's grueling SF against Verdasco. They are hardly flawless.

Yes I should have added "IMO" before that sentence. In my opinion Nadal is the 2nd favourite above Fed, odd-makers along with other people might see things differently.

I don't quite understand the 2nd paragraph, I wouldn't say Nadal's 2011 was a mess, he had a few finer years for sure but overall it was a standard year for him looking at his whole career.

I was referring to you saying Fed was a mess in bo5 in 2011



I'm not penciling him in the final, I'm favouring him to reach the final if he's:

a)Healthy
b)Not having to play Novak in the SF.


You are a reverse troller zagor

MariaRafael
12-27-2011, 04:24 AM
Can anyone blame Nadal? He's probably trying to avoid Djoker as much as he can

Is Retirovic still alive? He had so many grievances and misfortunes at the year end that couldn't even memorize all of them, and sometimes got confused in his testimony.

MariaRafael
12-27-2011, 04:29 AM
This Clarky poster is getting better day by day. Nole has to just not have gluten for a few more years, the rest will logically follow.

That said, we need to hold our horses a wee bit, you know till the end of AO. If Nole does a repeat of last year, I can be pretty sure he'll have a great year, pacing himself better this time so he can finish the year in one piece.

It all comes down to how quickly Sir Raphael finds his mental strength.

My gift to ***** to be served by Rafa:

http://s017.radikal.ru/i401/1112/3e/a6f80d494d16.jpg

(full of gluten :)

MariaRafael
12-27-2011, 04:39 AM
The news about the problems with his shoulder and knees are of course not good, but I really think that to say his body is "breaking down" is over reacting... a lot.

Don't bother, they've been saying it since 2005, and Rafa is still there and doing quite well.

And he didn't have any knee problems. Just went for his regular semi-annular tendon treatment. In fact he mentioned several times that since they've started this treatment, his knees got much much better. The treatment is very painful, but he has to suffer through it, if he wants ti play on the pro tour.

Gorecki
12-27-2011, 04:41 AM
Can you answer my few very very personal questions in secret.
1.who's fan are you??
2.Do you have any past history of trauma?
3.do you drink regularly?
4.What kind of harmones are released in your body while watching Nadal play?
5.Where did you discover the name 'possum" for novak?

are you trying to find why you identify so much with him?

CocaCola
12-27-2011, 04:42 AM
I see that Djoko haters are getting mentally prepared for the next season by already stating that he'll win everything.
If he does, they knew it all the way and were ready for it. It's so much easier like this, isn't it?
If he doesn't, he's a complete mug that can't maintain his form.

MariaRafael
12-27-2011, 04:44 AM
So again, who is going to dominate? Nadal who has his share of problems right now or a geriatric Federer? I don't think at this point that Djokovic is going to go on and be a great in the same way Nadal or Federer are, but if you look around the ATP right now who is playing by far the best tennis?
You are right Djokovic crapped out at the end of the season and to me that takes him down a few pegs but do you really believe Djokovic will enter the AO in poor form? According to his latest interviews he wants to win as many slams as he can. That does not sound like the attitude of somebody who is not in for the fight to do so at least in 2012.

Do you remember what happened to Nadal in 2009? Do you remember what he did in 2010? Do you know the story of McEnroe great season (better than Jerk's BTW) and what occured next? Do you really have to bury Nadal because your girlfriend prefers him on TV to you in real life? Or you started watching tennis last year that's why you haven't seen anything better than *****?
FYI before ***** beat Rafa 6 times uin a row, Rafa had beaten ***** 5 times in a row. Rafa won 3 slams last year same as ***** this year. Why have I never heard you saying that ***** was burnt, exterminated and nearly dead?

tennis_pro
12-27-2011, 05:05 AM
Do you remember what happened to Nadal in 2009? Do you remember what he did in 2010? Do you know the story of McEnroe great season (better than Jerk's BTW) and what occured next? Do you really have to bury Nadal because your girlfriend prefers him on TV to you in real life? Or you started watching tennis last year that's why you haven't seen anything better than *****?
FYI before ***** beat Rafa 6 times uin a row, Rafa had beaten ***** 5 times in a row. Rafa won 3 slams last year same as ***** this year. Why have I never heard you saying that ***** was burnt, exterminated and nearly dead?

wasn't it 5 times on clay?:)

Sentinel
12-27-2011, 05:08 AM
I wish you would keep up with the ******* news thread dear Senti...
He's actually in a Humour Revival Farm working on his humor strength at the moment.

The mental strength clinic will follow...
Ah that thread, it used to be my fave, but I've not checked it out for a while. Esp since TouchyLovesRugby doesn't post there.

Nadal clearly is pacing himself properly this year. No needless exos and non-mandatory events. He'll work himself into shape during the first week of slams, even if that means dropping a set or 2 to nobodies, or taking a strategic you-know-what. By second week he'll be belting out bagels and breadsticks to one and all.

You can bookmark this post and smear me with it if Nadal doesn't win the CYGS.

MariaRafael
12-27-2011, 05:12 AM
wasn't it 5 times on clay?:)

And what? Last time I heard about clay it was still a legitimate surface.

BTW you said somewhere that Rafa isn't going to be ready for AO. Here's the latest tweet:

Rafel Nadal a @IB3noticies : "Los dos primeros torneos me los planteo más como un entreno. Espero poder llegar al 100% a Australia"


"The first two tournaments for me I see as more like practice. I hope to be able to arrive at 100% in Australia."

passive_aggressive
12-27-2011, 05:15 AM
Ah that thread, it used to be my fave, but I've not checked it out for a while. Esp since TouchyLovesRugby doesn't post there.

Nadal clearly is pacing himself properly this year. No needless exos and non-mandatory events. He'll work himself into shape during the first week of slams, even if that means dropping a set or 2 to nobodies, or taking a strategic you-know-what. By second week he'll be belting out bagels and breadsticks to one and all.

You can bookmark this post and smear me with it if Nadal doesn't win the CYGS.

Me too. Nadal a lock for CYGS 2012.

Throw an Oly Gold in there as well.

And every Masters shield.

And every tournament he enters.

Not to drop a set all year.

Not to lose a point all year.

To end every point with either an ace (if Nadal is serving) - or a service winner (if Nadal is receiving) - thus every single ball Nadal hits in 2012 will be un-returnable.

To maintain this form for a decade.

Beating Delpo in Davis cup 2011 was the turning point.

Vamos Rafa!!!

MariaRafael
12-27-2011, 05:19 AM
Fully agree with you about the calender grand slam :), but absolutely disappointed by you citing afecalex. I've intentionally put him on my foe list to avoid the ramblings of this disturbed intellect, and you expose me to this crap again. Maybe you can issue some warning in your previous thread that your next thread might be hazardous for people who are not the outpatients of the mental institutions.

tennis_pro
12-27-2011, 05:19 AM
And what? Last time I heard about clay it was still a legitimate surface.

BTW you said somewhere that Rafa isn't going to be ready for AO. Here's the latest tweet:

Rafel Nadal a @IB3noticies : "Los dos primeros torneos me los planteo más como un entreno. Espero poder llegar al 100% a Australia"


"The first two tournaments for me I see as more like practice. I hope to be able to arrive at 100% in Australia."

It is a legitimate surface but it seems that all his records, h2h's, streaks come from clay which is by far his BEST surface and the other's WORST one. Fishy, isn't it?

When did I say Nadal is not going to be ready for the AO? Spare 10 minutes and find a quote.

MariaRafael
12-27-2011, 05:21 AM
Me too. Nadal a lock for CYGS 2012.

Throw an Oly Gold in there as well.

And every Masters shield.

And every tournament he enters.

Not to drop a set all year.

Not to lose a point all year.

To end every point with either an ace (if Nadal is serving) - or a service winner (if Nadal is receiving) - thus every single ball Nadal hits in 2012 will be un-returnable.

To maintain this form for a decade.

Beating Delpo in Davis cup 2011 was the turning point.

Vamos Rafa!!!

If your forecast comes true, I'll give you a free trip to Monte Carlo. Probably your only chance to visit a tennis tournament.

Cup8489
12-27-2011, 11:01 AM
So let me get his straight... You are relying on someone to take Djokovic out for Nadal to win Roland Garros. Yet you would be 'very surprised' if Nadal won a hard court slam? Nadal has made the last 2 US Open finals (and won one of them). And last year at the Australian Open it took a torn muscle for Nadal to get knocked out by Ferrer, after Nadal had not dropped a set in the first 4 rounds. Nadal is extremely close to winning more hardcourt slams. Either by beating Djokovic, or by someone else beating Djokovic. It's unlikely another player will beat Nadal at the hardcourt slams if he maintains his 2011 form.

You speak as though it's a monumental ask for a number 1 player to make the QF of a major without dropping a set. Need I remind you that in 2008 he made the SEMIS without dropping a set, yet got completely trashed by Tsonga? Nadal will never be a Hardcourt steamroller like you seem to think he is. He's still vulnerable to guys who can figure him out, and ALOT of people saw what works against him this year.

CDestroyer
12-27-2011, 12:01 PM
Of course he is out for a while. He is butthurt from all of the comprehensive beatdowns from Novak this year.

TheMusicLover
12-27-2011, 12:09 PM
Me too. Nadal a lock for CYGS 2012.

Throw an Oly Gold in there as well.

And every Masters shield.

And every tournament he enters.

Not to drop a set all year.

Not to lose a point all year.

To end every point with either an ace (if Nadal is serving) - or a service winner (if Nadal is receiving) - thus every single ball Nadal hits in 2012 will be un-returnable.

To maintain this form for a decade.

Beating Delpo in Davis cup 2011 was the turning point.

Vamos Rafa!!!

Wow, this is some excellent trolling. :bowdown: :)

cc0509
12-27-2011, 12:28 PM
Do you remember what happened to Nadal in 2009? Do you remember what he did in 2010? Do you know the story of McEnroe great season (better than Jerk's BTW) and what occured next? Do you really have to bury Nadal because your girlfriend prefers him on TV to you in real life? Or you started watching tennis last year that's why you haven't seen anything better than *****?
FYI before ***** beat Rafa 6 times uin a row, Rafa had beaten ***** 5 times in a row. Rafa won 3 slams last year same as ***** this year. Why have I never heard you saying that ***** was burnt, exterminated and nearly dead?



I am not trying to bury Nadal, I am simply saying that I feel that he will not likely win the AO. I think Djokovic will win it most likely and if not Djokovic, Federer. Yes I do know that Nadal defeated Djokovic 5 times in a row but was that in 2011? Or do you live in the past? Sure seems like it. In 2011 Djokovic played better than Nadal in EVERY way. There was nothing Nadal could do that could top what Djokovic was doing. Djokovic's defense was better, his groudstrokes off both wings were better, his serve was better and his ROS was better than Nadal's. So unless Nadal has a brand new plan, and he may, I don't think he will defeat Djokovic in the future unless Djokovic is off of his game, injured or has some kind of mental breakdown. Anything can happen I guess.

Yes Nadal has come back in the past after being down but he is older now and seems a little mentally fried to me so the question will be can he find it in him to challenge himself all over again at this stage? Right now it seems like all he is doing is waiting passively for Djokovic to lower his level and he has not done anything actively to change his game. The question will be is he willing to do it?

By the way perceptive one, I am a Federer fan, not a Djokovic fan but I am not blind unlike yourself. I also don't hate Nadal or Djokovic.

celoft
12-27-2011, 01:13 PM
Me too. Nadal a lock for CYGS 2012.

Throw an Oly Gold in there as well.

And every Masters shield.

And every tournament he enters.

Not to drop a set all year.

Not to lose a point all year.

To end every point with either an ace (if Nadal is serving) - or a service winner (if Nadal is receiving) - thus every single ball Nadal hits in 2012 will be un-returnable.

To maintain this form for a decade.

Beating Delpo in Davis cup 2011 was the turning point.

Vamos Rafa!!!

Next year will very likely be Nadal's last slam winning year and that is if he wins a slam. The eight consecutive year winning slams is a subpar one. Borg(TMC and RG) and Sampras(Miami and Wimbledon) only won 2 big titles and Federer(Australian Open, Cincinnati and TMC) just won 3 big titles.

zagor
12-27-2011, 09:32 PM
I was referring to you saying Fed was a mess in bo5 in 2011

Before this year Fed never lost a 2 set lead in a slam, this year he lost two such matches, that is what I meant by Fed being a mess in a BO5.

Fed used to be one of the best frontrunners on tour at his peak.

You are a reverse troller zagor

It's hardly trolling to favour 2nd best player in the world and the guy who reached 6 of the last 7 slam finals(two of them on HC) to reach the final.

Of course on the other hand you could say Nadal was poor at AO last 2 years, however in 2010 Murray was just on fire(the best slam tourney he played overall IMO), we have to see if Andy will show up in such a form this year and this year I do believe Nadal had some physical issues(coupled with the fact that Ferrer can be a tough cookee for him on HC).

Sentinel
12-28-2011, 02:37 AM
No, I say who's going to stop RAFA??

Once he recovers his mental strength (which he'll get back by the AO '12) - he has no rival. Djokovic seems already burnt out.

Anyway, even conceding that Djokovic is his rival (baffling since Djokovic is technically his 'pigeon' in terms of their H2H) he wouldn't meet Djokovic until the final, so at the VERY LEAST, Nadal will make the AO final (and the finals of the other 3 Slams in the year) without breaking a sweat.

Think how motivated you would be if you were Rafa!! You know you won't face anyone remotely capable of knocking you out until the FINAL. Not the semifinal, the actual final. The highest ranked player in your half is going to be Andy Murray who hasn't legitimately beaten you in a slam for about 4 years, and who you sleepwalked through THREE TIMES last year in slams.

To cap it all off, you know that there is a fair chance that old man Fed may make your life even easier by knocking out your only threat in the semi's and then all-but handing you the title in the final.

It's easy being Nadal right now.

For likelihood of winning 2012 AO, I'll give: 85% Rafa, 15% Joker, ZERO% anyone else.
My god, this guy is stealing the wisdom from all my posts and passing it off as his own.

Either a plagiarist, or two great minds.

MariaRafael
12-28-2011, 02:53 AM
Yes Nadal has come back in the past after being down but he is older now and seems a little mentally fried to me so the question will be can he find it in him to challenge himself all over again at this stage? Right now it seems like all he is doing is waiting passively for Djokovic to lower his level and he has not done anything actively to change his game.

I am not blind unlike yourself. I also don't hate Nadal or Djokovic.

If a 25-year old guy is described "older" how will you present 30-year olds? Graveyard clients?

Djokovic has already dropped his level. Actually he wasn't that brilliant for quite a long time, and all his wins especially Wimbledon and US Open are entirely Nadal's fault. Nadal is a very conscientious learner, and he\ll have some lessons learnt, just mark my words.

You should be more careful discussing other people's physical features. For all you know I can be half-blind and take your comment close to heart (which I am not and I have not).

I don't hate anybody whom I don't know personally, hence I am positive to indifferent with respect to Federer. I am not interested in Djokovic as a player, and I despise him as a person. Completely no-hate situation.

MariaRafael
12-28-2011, 02:57 AM
For likelihood of winning 2012 AO, I'll give: 85% Rafa, 15% Joker, ZERO% anyone else.

Can you split 15% between Joker and your excellent self since both of you are such great tennis experts.

Sentinel
12-28-2011, 04:42 AM
Me too. Nadal a lock for CYGS 2012.

Throw an Oly Gold in there as well.

And every Masters shield.

And every tournament he enters.

Not to drop a set all year.

Not to lose a point all year.

To end every point with either an ace (if Nadal is serving) - or a service winner (if Nadal is receiving) - thus every single ball Nadal hits in 2012 will be un-returnable.

To maintain this form for a decade.

Beating Delpo in Davis cup 2011 was the turning point.

Vamos Rafa!!!
Thanks for the extremely sarcastic putdown. You've really hurt my feelings.

I am obviously not talking about bageling people in the final. Unless he plays Fred, haha. You are no longer one of my fave posters.

nadalwon2012
12-28-2011, 02:54 PM
Next year will very likely be Nadal's last slam winning year and that is if he wins a slam. The eight consecutive year winning slams is a subpar one. Borg(TMC and RG) and Sampras(Miami and Wimbledon) only won 2 big titles and Federer(Australian Open, Cincinnati and TMC) just won 3 big titles.

LOL what the fuq has Nadal got to do with those guys? Borg gave up young, and the other 2 guys were as polar opposite from Nadal as can be.....

Sorry, but nobody can chart Nadal's future :D

nadalwon2012
12-28-2011, 02:57 PM
It is a legitimate surface but it seems that all his records, h2h's, streaks come from clay which is by far his BEST surface and the other's WORST one. Fishy, isn't it?

When did I say Nadal is not going to be ready for the AO? Spare 10 minutes and find a quote.

Yes, let's disregard Nadal's head2heads on clay. Let's also disregard Federer's head2heads on hardcourt. Yes, let's only include grass. After all, in Laver's day 3 of the 4 slams were played on grass (oh and the other was played on clay....). That would be fair. Ah, so that's 2-1 Federer leads Nadal. And 1-1 between Nadal and Djokovic. You really should be an ATP President (ala GWBush).

cc0509
12-28-2011, 06:04 PM
If a 25-year old guy is described "older" how will you present 30-year olds? Graveyard clients?

Djokovic has already dropped his level. Actually he wasn't that brilliant for quite a long time, and all his wins especially Wimbledon and US Open are entirely Nadal's fault. Nadal is a very conscientious learner, and he\ll have some lessons learnt, just mark my words.

Oh so Nadal is not older now compared to a few years ago? Where did I say Nadal is old? Everybody is older now compared to a few years ago. In addition, Nadal started winning at a very young age and his style of play is very taxing. Those style of players generally start to decline after a certain number of years on tour. You think Nadal will be playing his style of tennis at age 35 on tour? Be my guest!

Re Djokovic and Nadal in 2012 you think whatever you wish. My thoughts are that if Nadal does not make changes and Djokovic remains hungry and plays well(he does not have to play brilliantly) it is likely Djokovic will have the upper hand in most of their meetings. Let's wait and see what happens. I am not psychic, it is just my feeling right now.

AhmedD
12-28-2011, 06:15 PM
If a 25-year old guy is described "older" how will you present 30-year olds? Graveyard clients?

Djokovic has already dropped his level. Actually he wasn't that brilliant for quite a long time, and all his wins especially Wimbledon and US Open are entirely Nadal's fault. Nadal is a very conscientious learner, and he\ll have some lessons learnt, just mark my words.

You should be more careful discussing other people's physical features. For all you know I can be half-blind and take your comment close to heart (which I am not and I have not).

I don't hate anybody whom I don't know personally, hence I am positive to indifferent with respect to Federer. I am not interested in Djokovic as a player, and I despise him as a person. Completely no-hate situation.

My god the tone in your post...chill a bit will ya its just a tennis forum discussion :P

We know well enough we shouldn't write off Nadal, but anyone who's been watching this year is that he doesn't have the legs he did back then, even he himself said that in an interview, something about lacking a bit of oomph in his legs.

Just for the record, Djokovic's level did drop at the end of the year, but that may not necessarily be the case this year after a rest, it's not something that can be taken for granted, look for him to come back strong. It's his most successful slam and best surface, and I think even if his level is a bit lower, he'll be difficult to take out at least till the Semi's of the Australian.

On a more serious not, Rafa knows what he needs to do, now it's just a matter of actually doing it.

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Just to note, this thread started out as Nadal being doubtful about playing an event, to discussing his chances at a slam and then to his performance in 2012, WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN?!

Mike Sams
12-28-2011, 09:55 PM
On a more serious not, Rafa knows what he needs to do, now it's just a matter of actually doing it.


Let's not forget now. Nadal was serving 91% first serves and still got broken and lost the set. Or better yet, he served first, got the early break to take the lead 2-0 and then proceeded to lose the next 6 games in a row with every serve being hit right back to his feet.
So...what exactly is it that he needs to do?

SLD76
12-29-2011, 02:05 AM
Let's not forget now. Nadal was serving 91% first serves and still got broken and lost the set. Or better yet, he served first, got the early break to take the lead 2-0 and then proceeded to lose the next 6 games in a row with every serve being hit right back to his feet.
So...what exactly is it that he needs to do?

he needs.....to hire someone to take a led pipe to djoker before the tournament starts, rofl


tanya harding style.

AhmedD
12-29-2011, 02:52 AM
Let's not forget now. Nadal was serving 91% first serves and still got broken and lost the set. Or better yet, he served first, got the early break to take the lead 2-0 and then proceeded to lose the next 6 games in a row with every serve being hit right back to his feet.
So...what exactly is it that he needs to do?

Maintain an aggressive approach, it has its risk, but he'll need to take it if he wants to at least shake Djokovic a bit. I think the shot that has really worked best against Djokovic when speaking of Nadal is his forehand down the line, he was using it effectively in Miami, hitting very aggressively, and really pushing Djokovic. He also needs to get his backhand back again, don't know what happened with that shot :/

Mustard
12-29-2011, 07:15 AM
Let's not forget now. Nadal was serving 91% first serves and still got broken and lost the set. Or better yet, he served first, got the early break to take the lead 2-0 and then proceeded to lose the next 6 games in a row with every serve being hit right back to his feet.
So...what exactly is it that he needs to do?

Serve better for a start. There was only one occasion in the 2011 US Open final when Nadal broke Djokovic and then held his own serve in the next game, and that was in the third set, going from 2-3 to 4-3.

Hitman
12-29-2011, 07:56 AM
Serve better for a start. There was only one occasion in the 2011 US Open final when Nadal broke Djokovic and then held his own serve in the next game, and that was in the third set, going from 2-3 to 4-3.

And this was a Novak who clearly could not serve well towards the end of that match.