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Fedchamp
12-26-2011, 07:11 AM
This guy seems to commentate on a lot of tennis matches. Is it just me , or does everything he says seems to be a cliche? He provides very little insight into the matches he calls , aside from the bleeding obvious. He also doesn't miss any chance to remind viewers that he is an ex player. I had never heard of him until I heard him as a commentator. I know I'm gonna get criticised for this thread , but , if they're gonna get a commentator, shouldn't they get ppl who are knowledgable above the average fan level?

TTMR
12-26-2011, 07:16 AM
This guy seems to commentate on a lot of tennis matches. Is it just me , or does everything he says seems to be a cliche? He provides very little insight into the matches he calls , aside from the bleeding obvious. He also doesn't miss any chance to remind viewers that he is an ex player. I had never heard of him until I heard him as a commentator. I know I'm gonna get criticised for this thread , but , if they're gonna get a commentator, shouldn't they get ppl who are knowledgable above the average fan level?

He's terrible, but he's still a step above McEnroe, Carillo and Enberg. I at least do not feel the incessant urge to hurt something with the Drysdale/Koenig/Gilbert/Cahill crew.

aphex
12-26-2011, 07:22 AM
Robbie's awesome.

andfor
12-26-2011, 07:23 AM
Not sure what you're watching but Robbie Koenig may be the best tennis commentator at the moment.

GOAT BAAH!!!
12-26-2011, 07:31 AM
Koenig is transitional GOAT of commentary bar none.

Cup8489
12-26-2011, 07:36 AM
Koenig rocks.

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 07:44 AM
He's okay, but a huge *******. He does have his cliches, you can almost predict what he's going to say.

However, since I only get him and Jason Goodall, therefore can't compare him to any others.

Actually what get's on my nerves is his way of talking, the intonation or tone ... the way he stresses some parts of the sentence.

Maybe these guys are paid to talk in superlatives, and make every match sound the most exciting one ever.

Sentinel
12-26-2011, 07:46 AM
Koenig is transitional GOAT of commentary bar none.
LAWL !

Good one, but isn't transitional supposed to be between ... okay i get it, he's the perpetual ...:)

DjokovicForTheWin
12-26-2011, 07:46 AM
Koenig is by far the best commentator bar none. I guess it takes a certain level of refinement to appreciate him

mental midget
12-26-2011, 07:49 AM
koenig is clever, has style, and knows the game very well. good grief, if he's a problem, who are the good commentators?

Homeboy Hotel
12-26-2011, 07:54 AM
Koenig is hilarious, and so is the other guy he normally works with on ATP matches. (John Lester?)

The best team that provide good insight are the people who always do Murray's Australian Open matches on the BBC red button, I believe they are Andrew Cotter and John Lloyd. Fair and analytical. Not just sensationalising and ego-break like Mcenroe, Henman, Castle etc

I think the ESPN crowd aren't too bad either.

bluescreen
12-26-2011, 09:09 AM
The way I see it, commentators have an inherently bad rap. To me they tend to be a little better than the general consensus on this board. Mary Carillo, for example, seems comparable to the black plague on this board. So in reality she's at the "turn your tv volume down" level.

Koenig, on the other hand, is often loved--which is amazing for a commentator. He and Goodall seem to lead the pack by a huge margin.

Devilito
12-26-2011, 09:14 AM
He’s awesome. That’s why they call them COLOR commentators. They add a bit of spice to often repetitive matches. After you’ve seen 100,000 pro tennis matches there’s very little in the span of a match that might actually be “special”. You want a commentator that can keep things fun while you’re watching the doldrums of an early set until the score starts making the match more exciting.

Gaudio2004
12-26-2011, 09:38 AM
He’s awesome. That’s why they call them COLOR commentators. They add a bit of spice to often repetitive matches. After you’ve seen 100,000 pro tennis matches there’s very little in the span of a match that might actually be “special”. You want a commentator that can keep things fun while you’re watching the doldrums of an early set until the score starts making the match more exciting.

I think you do not understand the original poster's point.

Who said that a tennis is "more exciting" towards the later parts?
Who said that the early parts of a set are "doldrums"?

And who said that matches are repetitive, watching 100 000 pro matches does not mean the next will be repetitive?

You see, you have accepted this way of watching tennis - and see no other way to do so, so it seems natural for "color" commentary by the likes of Koening to help, when in reality...

1. Often the early parts of a set can be the most interesting
2. Commentators ruin natural match tension
3. They can make stupid comments that annoy you (http://backhanddropshot.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/j-mcenroes-commentary-is-bold-but-foolish/)
4. Their bias towards a player can get in the way (Koening = Nadal)
5. Their bias towards certain techniques are very annoying (Koening & Goodall's view towards the two handed backhand in comparison to the one hander is childish and shows no analytical thinking )

Perhaps these 5 points explain why some don't like Koening.

I think the best commentator I have heard has been Agassi, Henman or Arias. Agassi, if I recall correctly, has only commentated once, USO 2007 QF Federer vs Roddick, and when he did, he put the other commentators to a shame.

McEnroe for example, despite being a very good ex-player; cannot really comment on the style that players have today due to him having an ancient, and even back then, rare style.

I think sport in general is better with no commentary, a no-commentary button would be beautiful.

Koenig is hilarious, and so is the other guy he normally works with on ATP matches. (John Lester?)

The best team that provide good insight are the people who always do Murray's Australian Open matches on the BBC red button, I believe they are Andrew Cotter and John Lloyd. Fair and analytical. Not just sensationalising and ego-break like Mcenroe, Henman, Castle etc

I think the ESPN crowd aren't too bad either.

John Lloyd makes some good points now and then, during the Aussie open he made a great point about how Tomic was dominating Nadal technically, but often his analysis and commentary is just boring, full of cliches.

Henman I think is better than Lloyd as a commentator. He doesn't sensationalise! He's very classy. During the WTF this year he commentated alongside Andrew Castle, and Castle kept on talking during the rallies, Henman kept quiet.

Devilito
12-26-2011, 10:14 AM
1. Often the early parts of a set can be the most interesting
2. Commentators ruin natural match tension
3. They can make stupid comments that annoy you (http://backhanddropshot.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/j-mcenroes-commentary-is-bold-but-foolish/)
4. Their bias towards a player can get in the way (Koening = Nadal)
5. Their bias towards certain techniques are very annoying (Koening & Goodall's view towards the two handed backhand in comparison to the one hander is childish and shows no analytical thinking )

Perhaps these 5 points explain why some don't like Koening.

I donít agree with any of those points being negatives though. I donít care if a commentator has bias. Good. Makes it more fun to watch. I donít agree that commentators ruin match tension. Some of the Arabic commentating would make a womenís 3.0 league match sound like the US Open final. Yes McEnroe says completely idiotic stuff sometimes but who cares. Makes it interesting to watch. Why would I want to listen to a robot commentating? Ok you say youíd rather have no commentary at all. Thatís fine itís a personal preference but without commentary I find watching a match completely boring and dry unless I have a personal interest in it (eg. Favorite player, important match in a tournament etc.). Some people take sports far to seriously. Itís entertainment and I want to be entertained. Itís not a lessons in quantum mechanics. I donít need to learn anything from a commentator I just want them to keep me interested. So IMO the best commentators are the ones that are the most outrageous, not the ones with the best ďanalysisĒ.

passive_aggressive
12-26-2011, 10:39 AM
I think you do not understand the original poster's point.

Who said that a tennis is "more exciting" towards the later parts?
Who said that the early parts of a set are "doldrums"?

And who said that matches are repetitive, watching 100 000 pro matches does not mean the next will be repetitive?

You see, you have accepted this way of watching tennis - and see no other way to do so, so it seems natural for "color" commentary by the likes of Koening to help, when in reality...

1. Often the early parts of a set can be the most interesting
2. Commentators ruin natural match tension
3. They can make stupid comments that annoy you (http://backhanddropshot.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/j-mcenroes-commentary-is-bold-but-foolish/)
4. Their bias towards a player can get in the way (Koening = Nadal)
5. Their bias towards certain techniques are very annoying (Koening & Goodall's view towards the two handed backhand in comparison to the one hander is childish and shows no analytical thinking )

Perhaps these 5 points explain why some don't like Koening.

I think the best commentator I have heard has been Agassi, Henman or Arias. Agassi, if I recall correctly, has only commentated once, USO 2007 QF Federer vs Roddick, and when he did, he put the other commentators to a shame.

McEnroe for example, despite being a very good ex-player; cannot really comment on the style that players have today due to him having an ancient, and even back then, rare style.

I think sport in general is better with no commentary, a no-commentary button would be beautiful.



John Lloyd makes some good points now and then, during the Aussie open he made a great point about how Tomic was dominating Nadal technically, but often his analysis and commentary is just boring, full of cliches.

Henman I think is better than Lloyd as a commentator. He doesn't sensationalise! He's very classy. During the WTF this year he commentated alongside Andrew Castle, and Castle kept on talking during the rallies, Henman kept quiet.

Is that why he's a good commentator, then? Not saying enough is just as much the bane of modern commentating as choosing to talk about vacuous stuff like the schedule (Andrew Castle, I'm looking at you).

I think some commentary during a rally that isn't match-point would be useful for the average tennis fan.

We could get stuff like: "oooh, see there how Rodge is mixing his short slice and topspin backhands to ensure Djokovic doesn't know how deep to stand in the court" - and "see, there Murray goes squandering an offensive position just because he can't hit a hard forehand to save his life."

Stuff like that, I would find interesting. As long as it's not ultra obvious.

Some gems I've heard are: "it's match point Roddick now. That means if Roddick wins this point, he will win the match" and "oh dear, the 1st serve went out. He better get the 2nd one in, or it will be a double fault!!"

Outbeyond
12-26-2011, 11:06 AM
Who doesn't like Koenig? Sheesh, he's great. Knows his stuff, and all his little metaphoric comments are endearing as hell.

If you don't like him, so what? Go eat glass.:twisted:

Rjtennis
12-26-2011, 11:48 AM
Brag Gilbert is the most annoying. The guy loves hearing himself talk and will never just shut up. He is also such a fan boy to Nadal and has no integrity when calling his matches. Brad's one liners and nicknames for everyone on the tour make me want to puke.

Pam Shriver is also horrible. That lady is witch and never has anything positive to say. She needs to go back to her cave.

Cahill is the best. He seems to be a humble guy who has the respect of all the players and an amazing understanding of the game.

tlm
12-26-2011, 11:49 AM
I agree with most here he is a great commentator.

OddJack
12-26-2011, 11:50 AM
I never understood this Koeing love around here. Not that he is bad. I guess it's just a matter of style preference. Maybe some guys enjoy comments like " .. like a south African diamond cutter.." or " cut under there like a surgeon.." which are cool phrases but not good enough.

There are tournaments almost every other week so someone need to commentate them for tennis channel and so there is Koeing and his pal Goodall. To me these guys are equal to fast food joints. There is McDonalds and then there is PF chang. I never hear any insights deep into the match. I have heard worse commentating though. And much better as well.

Chopin
12-26-2011, 12:06 PM
He's easily one of the best. Let's start a poll on it.

OddJack
12-26-2011, 12:22 PM
A poll cannot make him better or worse of what he is.

You may as well start a poll on McDonalds.

There are some who are better, and those who are worse.

For me JMc, Cahill, are the best. Then there is BG, who is not as deep but can make it fun. PMc is ok but a little bit too self conscious.
Koeing gives you another version of what you see on the court. Better ones give you something you dont see, or what's likely on players minds.. because they been there done that.

passive_aggressive
12-26-2011, 12:29 PM
A poll cannot make him better or worse of what he is.

You may as well start a poll on McDonalds.

There are some who are better, and those who are worse.

For me JMc, Cahill, are the best. Then there is BG, who is not as deep but can make it fun. PMc is ok but a little bit too self conscious.
Koeing gives you another version of what you see on the court. Better ones give you something you dont see, or what's likely on players minds.. because they been there done that.

There are some who an irrelevant forum poster considers better, and others he considers worse.

Keonig is funny, adds to the fun of watching tennis.

DoubleDeuce
12-26-2011, 12:44 PM
There are some who an irrelevant forum poster considers better, and others he considers worse.

Keonig is funny, adds to the fun of watching tennis.

Yeah. at least he is funny.

But you are not even funny passive boy, and BTW what makes you a relevant poster? Why dont you name for us a few of your qualities and qualifications that makes you such a relevant poster?

Bobby Jr
12-26-2011, 12:48 PM
Koenig is by far the best commentator bar none. I guess it takes a certain level of refinement to appreciate him
I agree. His commentary alongside Jason Goodall is about as good as it gets these days. They don't over-explain stuff but pick plenty of good, insightful things to add about the match, tournament and players.

Rock Strongo
12-26-2011, 12:51 PM
Koenig is hilarious!

However on the other end of the scale, Rusedski commentating a Federer match makes me want to dig out my own eardrums.

Walenty
12-26-2011, 01:06 PM
I'm gonna go with OddJack on this one.

Koenig's alright. He does a decent job of keeping the match interesting, but like any commentator, after you've seen enough matches they comment on, their quirks can make you want to hit the mute button.

Cahill might be the only commentator that I would listen to any match at any tourney.

ZeroSkid
12-26-2011, 01:21 PM
Robbie Koenig and Jason are the best combo all the other commentators are garbage

AhmedD
12-26-2011, 02:09 PM
I like Courier and Wilander when they comment.

I like Koeing too, he's fun to listen to, especially when an amazing shot comes up, I love his reactions.

"South African Diamond Cutter" - Shanghai 2010
"Somebody call 911, Federer got out of jail" - Indian Wells 2011

He gets some good insights here and there as well, not the best, but good enough and he keeps the commentary light and enjoyable. I absolutely hate it when other commentators talk during a point :/

However, the commentator I always stick to if he's on is Adel Al Shatti, the guy who commentates on Al Jazeera Sport, he's just awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLWc-aWAr34

Very emotional, you'll usually see a some of his commentating on youtube, when he gets excited. But if you listen to his commentary for a whole match there are also some really good insights from Adel, him being a former players as well. Good to see he still has a big passion for the game.

NothingButNet
12-26-2011, 02:20 PM
I love the mood that Robbie and Jason bring to tournaments - they do make other commentators sound like garbage if you can appreciate their style and finer points as a poster above mentioned.

I was really, really impressed with the 3 or so matches where Hewitt stepped in with commentary/analysis and think he's got a serious knack for this gig! 8-)

passive_aggressive
12-26-2011, 02:36 PM
Yeah. at least he is funny.

But you are not even funny passive boy, and BTW what makes you a relevant poster? Why dont you name for us a few of your qualities and qualifications that makes you such a relevant poster?

I'm not meant to be funny.

I'm not meant to be relevant.

I'm meant to be passive aggressive.

Yours Faithfully,

Passive Boy

sportsfan1
12-26-2011, 03:01 PM
Any commentator but JMc. The guy's just jarring. Koenig maybe a little over the top, but he's listenable with some fun quotes. Here's one: 'There's the eaaasy(sic) power from Berdych' :-)

Crazy man
12-26-2011, 03:05 PM
Boris Becker at Wimbledon is arguably the best commentator. Doesn't suck up to the top three or four guys like everyone else, and doesn't have a one-dimensional way of thinking. His predictions before matches are also smart, not just picking a predicted winner of a specific match based on ranking. Everyone else just seem stupid. Koenig is no exception to this rule (although Gilbert & Cahill are quite chill).

robertk29
12-26-2011, 03:15 PM
Re Agassi commentating on Fed-Roddick match, he didn't shut the hell up the minute he came into the booth, until he left it, not once while the ball was in play. I have the match on tape and put the mute button on, when I watch it.

Homeboy Hotel
12-26-2011, 03:21 PM
I'm not meant to be funny.

I'm not meant to be relevant.

I'm meant to be passive aggressive.

Yours Faithfully,

Passive Boy

Otherwise known as tennis_fan_185

And we all know how THAT (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/member.php?u=178888) ended out.

DoubleDeuce
12-26-2011, 03:47 PM
I'm not meant to be funny.

I'm not meant to be relevant.

I'm meant to be passive aggressive.

Yours Faithfully,

Passive Boy

None of the above is any quality that would make you relevant and others irrelevant. Not that I expected anything else. You just sound like a waste of space.

Nathaniel_Near
12-26-2011, 03:47 PM
It is grotesquely true that Koenig is one of the best if not the best commentators, with his sense of excitement and memorable catch phrases. It disturbs me mentally to think that some people wouldn't like this glorious man. The banter him and Jason Goodall (another commentating legend) have are absolutely golden. :)

For those who don't like him, it's time to get a clue and sharpen up!!

Chopin
12-26-2011, 05:27 PM
A poll cannot make him better or worse of what he is.

You may as well start a poll on McDonalds.

There are some who are better, and those who are worse.

For me JMc, Cahill, are the best. Then there is BG, who is not as deep but can make it fun. PMc is ok but a little bit too self conscious.
Koeing gives you another version of what you see on the court. Better ones give you something you dont see, or what's likely on players minds.. because they been there done that.

I think you'd be in the minority about Robbie. J-Mac is an ***.

BobFL
12-26-2011, 06:01 PM
"Roger Federer: from sublime to ridiculous" :) I think RK is great. :)

Bobby Jr
12-26-2011, 07:28 PM
"Roger Federer: from sublime to ridiculous" :) I think RK is great. :)
I think recently his use of "outrageous" has overtaken "ridiculous."

"Liquid whip forehand" has also been getting heavy rotation recently when a Federer match is being called.

Lsmkenpo
12-26-2011, 07:34 PM
Even though he is sometimes a little *******ed, he is a good dude.

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/515829798/Miami_in_the_Booth__26_.JPG

Big_Dangerous
12-26-2011, 07:38 PM
Who doesn't like Koenig? Sheesh, he's great. Knows his stuff, and all his little metaphoric comments are endearing as hell.

If you don't like him, so what? Go eat glass.:twisted:

I agree.

For me it doesn't get better than Goodall and Koenig calling the match.

I wish they'd get promoted to doing every grand slam final.

Gaudio2004
12-26-2011, 08:02 PM
I don’t agree with any of those points being negatives though. I don’t care if a commentator has bias. Good. Makes it more fun to watch. I don’t agree that commentators ruin match tension. Some of the Arabic commentating would make a women’s 3.0 league match sound like the US Open final. Yes McEnroe says completely idiotic stuff sometimes but who cares. Makes it interesting to watch. Why would I want to listen to a robot commentating? Ok you say you’d rather have no commentary at all. That’s fine it’s a personal preference but without commentary I find watching a match completely boring and dry unless I have a personal interest in it (eg. Favorite player, important match in a tournament etc.). Some people take sports far to seriously. It’s entertainment and I want to be entertained. It’s not a lessons in quantum mechanics. I don’t need to learn anything from a commentator I just want them to keep me interested. So IMO the best commentators are the ones that are the most outrageous, not the ones with the best “analysis”.

Well, you make a very good argument, and I respect your opinion, from your perspective I can see how tennis with commentary can be enjoyed.

(I don't mind Koening, he and Goodall make a great team)

Is that why he's a good commentator, then? Not saying enough is just as much the bane of modern commentating as choosing to talk about vacuous stuff like the schedule (Andrew Castle, I'm looking at you).

I think some commentary during a rally that isn't match-point would be useful for the average tennis fan.

We could get stuff like: "oooh, see there how Rodge is mixing his short slice and topspin backhands to ensure Djokovic doesn't know how deep to stand in the court" - and "see, there Murray goes squandering an offensive position just because he can't hit a hard forehand to save his life."

Stuff like that, I would find interesting. As long as it's not ultra obvious.

Some gems I've heard are: "it's match point Roddick now. That means if Roddick wins this point, he will win the match" and "oh dear, the 1st serve went out. He better get the 2nd one in, or it will be a double fault!!"

Yes I agree with everything you have said.

"If he misses this shot it means his opponent wins the game" in response to a player facing a break-point is another gem, Castle likes to point this out one during the start of every World Tour finals, but his commentary has improved significantly since the Wimbledon late 2000 days.

Re Agassi commentating on Fed-Roddick match, he didn't shut the hell up the minute he came into the booth, until he left it, not once while the ball was in play. I have the match on tape and put the mute button on, when I watch it.

Maybe so, how did you find his commentary and analysis of the match and in general tennis (during the match)?

To me it was refreshing!

Fedchamp
12-26-2011, 10:21 PM
He’s awesome. That’s why they call them COLOR commentators. They add a bit of spice to often repetitive matches. After you’ve seen 100,000 pro tennis matches there’s very little in the span of a match that might actually be “special”. You want a commentator that can keep things fun while you’re watching the doldrums of an early set until the score starts making the match more exciting.

This may be so, but I prefer people who have real insight into the game and the players eg Darren Cahill, Jim Courior and John Mcenroe (yes you read correctly) seem to have this. I also think the Australian commentators such as John Alexander and Roger Rasheed (Hewitt's ex-coach) are in this category -although they do tend to display bias toward the Aussie players.

Fedchamp
12-26-2011, 10:34 PM
It is grotesquely true that Koenig is one of the best if not the best commentators, with his sense of excitement and memorable catch phrases. It disturbs me mentally to think that some people wouldn't like this glorious man. The banter him and Jason Goodall (another commentating legend) have are absolutely golden. :)

For those who don't like him, it's time to get a clue and sharpen up!!

Well I guess that's the reason I'm not a Koenig fan- he just seems to spout endless catchphrases without revealing anything underneath the surface of what's happening on screen. Guys like Courior , Cahill and even Pat Cash comment on aspects of the game such as technique and court tactics that makes it interesting for people who play the game and are interested in the inner workings of the pro game. I guess Koenig may be entertaining for people who are casual tennis watchers who probably make up the majority of viewers. Maybe thats why he's asked to call so many matches.

MAXXply
12-26-2011, 10:40 PM
I am a fan of Robbie Koenig, but how did he - as a nothing-ranked ATP journeyman - ever get his start as a commentator? His pro credentials were nothing special. My theory is that somehow he impressed his fellow South African Etienne de Villiers, who was running the ATP at the time. A bit of a SAFfie old boys network that sort of thing. Am I right?

MariaRafael
12-26-2011, 10:41 PM
Even better example of commentary would be:

-Is he moving to the net?
- Yes, he is.
-Good.

I wondered whether they confused TV and radio, or thought that their entire audience was blind.

Zildite
12-26-2011, 10:55 PM
I am a fan of Robbie Koenig, but how did he - as a nothing-ranked ATP journeyman - ever get his start as a commentator? His pro credentials were nothing special. My theory is that somehow he impressed his fellow South African Etienne de Villiers, who was running the ATP at the time. A bit of a SAFfie old boys network that sort of thing. Am I right?

It might be better to ask that about Goodall, he was less successful than Koenig :)

He might be the jawdropping Roddickulous guy but as has been said he is the colour commentator, Goodall is there to balance it out.

Seth
12-26-2011, 10:56 PM
I love the guy. Throws in entertaining tidbits about the players, responds to you on Twitter if you ask him questions.

tennis_pro
12-26-2011, 11:04 PM
one of the best in the bussiness BY FAR, agreed he's a bit nadalish but he approves a great shot when he sees one not only from Nadal

Fedchamp
12-26-2011, 11:15 PM
Anyone heard Henri Leconte call a match? Quite an experience, but best taken in small doses.
Maybe Koenig & Goodall call so many because they don't cost as much as "special guest" commentators. Do u think B Becker is gonna call a match if it's not worth his while, especially if it's not a Major tournament.

DeShaun
12-26-2011, 11:16 PM
Dude, Robbie Koenig's hilarious. I don't get why you're dissing him.

Eternity
12-26-2011, 11:25 PM
Anyone heard Henri Leconte call a match? Quite an experience, but best taken in small doses.
Maybe Koenig & Goodall call so many because they don't cost as much as "special guest" commentators. Do u think B Becker is gonna call a match if it's not worth his while, especially if it's not a Major tournament.

Yes I heard him while watching the AO. Tsonga vs Almagro, I think. It was like he was at home with friends cheering Tsonga on. You're definately right about him being best taken in small doses.

FearOfTheDark
12-27-2011, 12:50 AM
I don't watch the tennis because of it's entertainment.. I just watch it because Koenig is the man.

Paul Murphy
12-27-2011, 02:28 AM
Koenig and Goodall are the most entertaining around.
They're funny and they clearly like each other and that comes across.
I do wish they'd find a different adjective than "phenomenal" though.

Lsmkenpo
12-27-2011, 02:49 AM
Koenig isn't shy talking about the slow down of the courts on air, he tells it like it is. The majority of the network announcers skirt the issue entirely.

Paul Murphy
12-27-2011, 02:59 AM
In Australia, pay tv is blessed to have Wally Masur (in particular) and Josh Eagle.
Honourable mention goes to Roger Rasheed.
They work well together and just don't tell you what you're seeing.
Masur was terrific in the USO men's final for instance.
He outlined what Rafa needed to do to have any chance.
Much better stuff than what we're served up by the official broadcaster, the Seven Network.

vernonbc
12-27-2011, 03:43 AM
one of the best in the bussiness BY FAR, agreed he's a bit nadalish but he approves a great shot when he sees one not only from Nadal
Exactly. I don't know why some people get so touchy when something complimentary is said about Rafa. Koenig loves good tennis. Yes, he's a Nadal fan but he's also a Fed worshipper and he couldn't find enough superlatives for Djokovic this year.

B A Y
12-27-2011, 08:10 AM
you guys who slate him don't know good commentators when you hear them.. You don't have to have been in the top ten in the world to be a tennis commentator! He played on the ATP tour so knows his bit about tennis. He is extremely knowledgeable! Knows his stuff and knows his stats! Who wants to listen to Cahill and Mac talking about themselves and their achievements and talking non stop... even during the points! That is the most annoying! Half the time I don't even think they are even watching the tennis!

oh and he is South African! Ha!

B A Y
12-27-2011, 08:15 AM
This guy seems to commentate on a lot of tennis matches. Is it just me , or does everything he says seems to be a cliche? He provides very little insight into the matches he calls , aside from the bleeding obvious. He also doesn't miss any chance to remind viewers that he is an ex player. I had never heard of him until I heard him as a commentator. I know I'm gonna get criticised for this thread , but , if they're gonna get a commentator, shouldn't they get ppl who are knowledgable above the average fan level?

fedchamp.. terrible thread! who you comparing him too?? useless American commentators who just talk about themselves and talk non stop.. even during the points so you can't actually watch the tennis ! Do some more research and listen to Rob a little more!

Fedchamp
12-27-2011, 08:28 AM
fedchamp.. terrible thread! who you comparing him too?? useless American commentators who just talk about themselves and talk non stop.. even during the points so you can't actually watch the tennis ! Do some more research and listen to Rob a little more!

What research? It's down to personal opinion and taste. I prefer commentary on the more technical aspects of the game. Koenig doesn't seem to provide this.
It seems he's quite popular, on this thread, at least. But Justin Beiber's popular too- doesn't mean I like his music.

Fedchamp
12-27-2011, 08:38 AM
you guys who slate him don't know good commentators when you hear them.. You don't have to have been in the top ten in the world to be a tennis commentator! He played on the ATP tour so knows his bit about tennis. He is extremely knowledgeable! Knows his stuff and knows his stats! Who wants to listen to Cahill and Mac talking about themselves and their achievements and talking non stop... even during the points! That is the most annoying! Half the time I don't even think they are even watching the tennis!

oh and he is South African! Ha!

You know I honestly can't remember an instance where Cahill, or Mac mentioned their playing days. Courior does on occasion, but he's entitled to- cause people care. He's damned eloquent to boot. He has a few more words in his vocab than "best in the business" or "phenomenal" or "blistering forehand". I'm not displaying a bias toward Amercan commentators because I'm American either. I'm not.
PS guys like Josh Eagle or Roger Rasheed weren't highly ranked pros but they call an excellent game. U actually learn things about the game that you otherwise wouldn't know just by watching the action.

MichaelNadal
12-27-2011, 08:53 AM
Dude, Robbie Koenig's hilarious. I don't get why you're dissing him.

Exactly, most of the rest of them are dry as wallpaper. If the commentators for the slams were more like Koenig, tennis may have better ratings.

purge
12-27-2011, 08:57 AM
i cant say theres any commentators i truly appreciate. but most of the time its not even their fault i guess

its not that easy to really try and cater to the full range of tennis knowledge in the audience. you always have to try and deliver something for the experienced follower without completely losing the casual viewer and that split often ends badly for obvious reasons

Fedchamp
12-27-2011, 09:02 AM
i cant say theres any commentators i truly appreciate. but most of the time its not even their fault i guess

its not that easy to really try and cater to the full range of tennis knowledge in the audience. you always have to try and deliver something for the experienced follower without completely losing the casual viewer and that split often ends badly for obvious reasons

Yeah I think they usually try to do that by using an ex-player and a non player to do the calls. I agree with you btw.

B A Y
12-27-2011, 09:26 AM
You know I honestly can't remember an instance where Cahill, or Mac mentioned their playing days. Courior does on occasion, but he's entitled to- cause people care. He's damned eloquent to boot. He has a few more words in his vocab than "best in the business" or "phenomenal" or "blistering forehand". I'm not displaying a bias toward Amercan commentators because I'm American either. I'm not.
PS guys like Josh Eagle or Roger Rasheed weren't highly ranked pros but they call an excellent game. U actually learn things about the game that you otherwise wouldn't know just by watching the action.


I think Rob and Jason Goodall often mention the technicalities of the game for the viewers benefit but at the end of the day we aren't getting a tennis lesson from them. All I want is non bias commentary (look sometimes Rob does get enthusiastic about federer or nadal but he is a fan of the two of them) but he is a fan of most other players and a huge fan of the game.

I don't think we should get too intrenched in this discussion as all television watchers have there preferences when it comes to commentary.. the main thing which annoys me about the american commentators (and this as nothing to do with me being anti americans) is that they just talk all the time (during points.. etc) Rob, Jason etc know what they are talking about and are good commentators. Just your Rob Who ? title thread was a bit harsh.. Rasheed, Masur, Cahill didn't much more stellar careers than Rob..

kanamit
12-27-2011, 11:28 PM
Robbie Koenig and Jason Goodall are far and away the best tennis commentators I've heard. Watching matches they commentate is literally like watching a match with friends.

As others have noted, they remain quiet during the points because they are actually into the match and pay attention to what's going on. Which means they also add plenty of insight with their comments about the players' tactics, strategies and the like. They combine these close analyses with more basic information of use to the novice or intermediate players watching. Because they travel around with the ATP, they also know a hell of a lot about the variuos players' styles and head-to-head histories in a way that the "big name" commentators do not.

Additionally those cliches the OP mentioned are *awesome*. Some of my favorites: "laser-like precision," "an oil painting of a backhand," "like a South African diamond-cutter," and "tighter than a taxman's purse." On top of that RK makes hilarious comments about his fellow commentators. I seem to recall a tourney where he was working some matches with Doug Adler, and Adler had just been replaced in the booth by Nick Lester or Goodall or one of the other commenators. Mentioning this, Robbie said, "The buffet is now under threat." I literally laughed out loud.

Sid_Vicious
12-27-2011, 11:31 PM
That guy is awesome, I think.

DRII
12-28-2011, 07:13 AM
You know I honestly can't remember an instance where Cahill, or Mac mentioned their playing days. Courior does on occasion, but he's entitled to- cause people care. He's damned eloquent to boot. He has a few more words in his vocab than "best in the business" or "phenomenal" or "blistering forehand". I'm not displaying a bias toward Amercan commentators because I'm American either. I'm not.
PS guys like Josh Eagle or Roger Rasheed weren't highly ranked pros but they call an excellent game. U actually learn things about the game that you otherwise wouldn't know just by watching the action.

Are you referring to Jim Courier? You think he's eloquent???

I find him to be a little less than smart, to put it mildly!

woodrow1029
12-28-2011, 07:18 AM
He is very knowledgeable. He has good personality. He actually knows most of the rules, and doesn't rush to criticize the umpire if he is not sure. He has also played against and/or hit with a lot of the current players since he has not been out of the game for that long and I think that works in his favor. I like him in the broadcast booth.

woodrow1029
12-28-2011, 07:19 AM
You know I honestly can't remember an instance where Cahill, or Mac mentioned their playing days.

Well, Cahill didn't exactly have a stellar playing career. But to say that Mac doesn't mention his playing days is absurd.

woodrow1029
12-28-2011, 07:20 AM
Are you referring to Jim Courier? You think he's eloquent???

I find him to be a little less than smart, to put it mildly!

LOL. I like that one. I don't think the OP has been following tennis for very long.

Fedchamp
12-28-2011, 08:26 AM
Are you referring to Jim Courier? You think he's eloquent???

I find him to be a little less than smart, to put it mildly!

On the contrary , I think Courior is a very intelligent man. And people say I'm being harsh. If we're gonna get into an argument on who's intelligent or not , then I think Koenig seems like quite a dim individual. Even Goodall strikes me as a more intelligent person.You can tell his vocab is quite limited in comparison. Why do you think he relies on cliches and catchphrases so much? To put it bluntly, if they could get guys like Mac, Courior , Cahill, et al ,to call all the smaller 500 tournaments , they would. But these guys wouldn't have the time, and the networks couldn't afford them.
As I said earlier, these things are down to opinion. I'm glad for Koenig that he seems to be quite popular. I find others, however, to be more informative & entertaining.

PS. I'd watch a social match between two hacks if Leconte was calling it :)

Fedchamp
12-28-2011, 08:32 AM
LOL. I like that one. I don't think the OP has been following tennis for very long.

I've been watching tennis since the early 80's. I don't know why you would say Courior is not intelligent. I find he has quite a broad vocabulary ,and his use of language is varied and interesting. I also think anyone who thinks Koenig is more informative is just plain wrong.
But ,as I've always maintained, these are just my personal opinions.

Fedchamp
12-28-2011, 08:36 AM
He is very knowledgeable. He has good personality. He actually knows most of the rules, and doesn't rush to criticize the umpire if he is not sure. He has also played against and/or hit with a lot of the current players since he has not been out of the game for that long and I think that works in his favor. I like him in the broadcast booth.

I know most of the rules too, but I like to hear commentators who provide insight into the technical aspects of the game. Stroke technique, court positioning/tactics etc.

Fedchamp
12-28-2011, 08:46 AM
I think Rob and Jason Goodall often mention the technicalities of the game for the viewers benefit but at the end of the day we aren't getting a tennis lesson from them. All I want is non bias commentary (look sometimes Rob does get enthusiastic about federer or nadal but he is a fan of the two of them) but he is a fan of most other players and a huge fan of the game.

I don't think we should get too intrenched in this discussion as all television watchers have there preferences when it comes to commentary.. the main thing which annoys me about the american commentators (and this as nothing to do with me being anti americans) is that they just talk all the time (during points.. etc) Rob, Jason etc know what they are talking about and are good commentators. Just your Rob Who ? title thread was a bit harsh.. Rasheed, Masur, Cahill didn't much more stellar careers than Rob..

It would be safe to say these guys command more respect with respect to their tennis know-how on the pro tour. Cahill has coached Agassi/Hewitt, Rasheed coached Hewitt, Masur is part of the Austrailan Davis Cup coaching team. I never knew Koenig was a tour player until he mentioned it as a commentator (he does it every match he calls).

Sentinel
12-28-2011, 08:58 AM
Koenig isn't shy talking about the slow down of the courts on air, he tells it like it is. The majority of the network announcers skirt the issue entirely.
He also clearly points out repeatedly when one certain player takes more than the alloted time to serve or bends rules. I have to reconsider my statement about him being a *******.

woodrow1029
12-28-2011, 12:49 PM
I know most of the rules too, but I like to hear commentators who provide insight into the technical aspects of the game. Stroke technique, court positioning/tactics etc.

Yeah, well it doesn't do too much for the insight when one player does something completely legal or not and morons like McEnroe like to tell it the way it isn't

woodrow1029
12-28-2011, 12:50 PM
I've been watching tennis since the early 80's. I don't know why you would say Courior is not intelligent. I find he has quite a broad vocabulary ,and his use of language is varied and interesting. I also think anyone who thinks Koenig is more informative is just plain wrong.
But ,as I've always maintained, these are just my personal opinions.

I have been watching tennis since the late 80's and I have never heard of a player called Courior. Is that someone that retired in the 70's or something?

CDestroyer
12-28-2011, 12:55 PM
Koenig isn't shy talking about the slow down of the courts on air, he tells it like it is. The majority of the network announcers skirt the issue entirely.

You rarely hear "paint job" either. Maybe they get free racquets to keep quiet about the biggest scam in the sport.

Im a big Koenig, Goodall fan.

aphex
12-28-2011, 08:37 PM
I have been watching tennis since the late 80's and I have never heard of a player called Courior. Is that someone that retired in the 70's or something?

He's called him Courior several times...I think he actually thinks that's his name:)

westside
12-28-2011, 09:05 PM
Give me Koenig any day of the week. You can hear his love for the sport when he commentates.

Fedchamp
12-28-2011, 09:26 PM
He's called him Courior several times...I think he actually thinks that's his name:)

My apologies to the great man. I actually did think that was the way it was spelt/spelled. Doesn't change my opinion that he is the better commentator in any case.

Fedchamp
12-28-2011, 09:29 PM
LOL. I like that one. I don't think the OP has been following tennis for very long.

It sounds like this is common knowledge. Can you provide a few examples of when Courier has been " a little less than smart"?

flyinghippos101
12-28-2011, 09:31 PM
Koenig won me over with words like "roddiculous" and "phenomenadal"

aphex
12-28-2011, 10:43 PM
My apologies to the great man. I actually did think that was the way it was spelt/spelled. Doesn't change my opinion that he is the better commentator in any case.

So, you've been watching tennis since the early 80s, but you hadnt seen Courier's name written.
I can only think of two explanations: You are either lying about when u started watching tennis or you just recently learned how to read.

AhmedD
12-28-2011, 10:56 PM
Koenig won me over with words like "roddiculous" and "phenomenadal"

"Somebody call 911, Federer just got out jail" -Indian Wells 2011

He got me there.

OddJack
12-28-2011, 10:59 PM
So, you've been watching tennis since the early 80s, but you hadnt seen Courier's name written.
I can only think of two explanations: You are either lying about when u started watching tennis or you just recently learned how to read.

He is Robbie Koeing himself, trying to get some feedback online.

,,,apart from your cross-words skills Robbie, you suck.

Telepatic
12-29-2011, 12:43 AM
He won me with diamond cutters back in south africa.. ^^

niff
12-29-2011, 12:58 AM
"Somebody call 911, Federer just got out jail" -Indian Wells 2011

He got me there.
Hahah, amazing. I miss him, hurry up Doha :(

woodrow1029
12-29-2011, 07:52 AM
So, you've been watching tennis since the early 80s, but you hadnt seen Courier's name written.
I can only think of two explanations: You are either lying about when u started watching tennis or you just recently learned how to read.

Your signature quote is still epic! Makes me laugh every time I read it.

Rabbit
12-29-2011, 08:15 AM
Keonig/Goodal are fantastic together.

As a matter of fact, I'd rather listen to anyone over Gimblestob. He has to be the worst commentator I've ever heard. At least they got him to quit using terms like "liquid power"

aphex
12-29-2011, 08:30 AM
Your signature quote is still epic! Makes me laugh every time I read it.

Yours is awesome too woodrow:):):)

CDestroyer
12-29-2011, 08:37 AM
Keonig/Goodal are fantastic together.

As a matter of fact, I'd rather listen to anyone over Gimblestob. He has to be the worst commentator I've ever heard. At least they got him to quit using terms like "liquid power"

Justin really likes to hear himself talk. The two gcoat's are funny, entertaining and you learn something listening to them.

Fedchamp
12-29-2011, 11:18 AM
So, you've been watching tennis since the early 80s, but you hadnt seen Courier's name written.
I can only think of two explanations: You are either lying about when u started watching tennis or you just recently learned how to read.

You're saying that I'm lying?
Just an honest mistake . You don't make them?

PS. Check out 80% of the posts in this forum and you'd think most people just started to read/write. Twat.

woodrow1029
12-29-2011, 11:24 AM
You're saying that I'm lying?
Just an honest mistake . You don't make them?

PS. Check out 80% of the posts in this forum and you'd think most people just started to read/write. Twat.

Cool story!.

West Coast Ace
12-29-2011, 03:42 PM
I can't believe people get wrapped up in the commentators. There are a few who are truly bad - but the rest are all about the same - say some smart things and some pretty silly things too. Koenig is in the latter category.

namelessone
12-29-2011, 03:48 PM
I like Koenig because he seems like he actually seems to enjoy the sport he is commentating.

pound cat
12-29-2011, 03:51 PM
I can't believe people get wrapped up in the commentators. There are a few who are truly bad - but the rest are all about the same - say some smart things and some pretty silly things too. Koenig is in the latter category.

The whole idea of all of us on a forum getting wrapped up in professional tennis which we really know nothing about is pretty pitiful in itself. LOL The players must be laughing their heads of...that is if they ever looked at forums.


Never mind commentator discusions.