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Mike Sams
12-27-2011, 10:32 PM
He never made excuses for losses before. After every loss he would say "He just unbelievable player....he play much better than me today."

Now, when the discussion is regarding Djokovic, Nadal has started becoming more and more like Federer with his excuses. He's pulling the injury card after every loss. In his last interview he brought up a pulled hamstring and heatstroke in two different losses.

What happened to the whole "I accept losing with the same calm as the winning?"

I'm fearing that if Djokovic himself hears some of the bitter excuses coming out of Nadal's mouth in these interviews lately, it's going to inspire Djokovic even more when they meet in the future.

OddJack
12-28-2011, 12:02 AM
Yeah, hes getting old and grumpy

For IW he "started playing badly" after full control.
For Miami he was "heat stroke"
Madrid is yet unknown
Rome he lacked "extra bit"
Wimbledon is yet unknown
USO was tired hamstring, except 3rd set

To sum it up he did not give Djoko any credit at all, which was a first, as far as I remember.

Why is that the passion for the game and intensity was there at RG, but not before and after?

BTW seems like the consensus here is that if Djoko is not the same Nadal will win everything next year. I disagree, I think Nadal is there for the taking in 2012. There are half a dozen players who can take him out before he gets to Djoko.

Lsmkenpo
12-28-2011, 12:22 AM
I don't think he is getting bitter, he has always been bitter.

What is becoming harder is continuing with the fake persona, it can't be easy constantly hiding your true thoughts and telling lies.

aphex
12-28-2011, 01:26 AM
I don't think he is getting bitter, he has always been bitter.

What is becoming harder is continuing with the fake persona, it can't be easy constantly hiding your true thoughts and telling lies.

The nadal is incapable of thoughts more abstract than eat/drink/pick butt.
Anything else he says, comes from Tio.

Gorecki
12-28-2011, 01:41 AM
He never made excuses for losses before. After every loss he would say "He just unbelievable player....he play much better than me today."

Now, when the discussion is regarding Djokovic, Nadal has started becoming more and more like Federer with his excuses. He's pulling the injury card after every loss. In his last interview he brought up a pulled hamstring and heatstroke in two different losses.

What happened to the whole "I accept losing with the same calm as the winning?"

I'm fearing that if Djokovic himself hears some of the bitter excuses coming out of Nadal's mouth in these interviews lately, it's going to inspire Djokovic even more when they meet in the future.

no no no...

"rHe joost unbalibabale playeer.... rhe play mooch better, rha... than me toooday. no?"

"rhai now eenjuree in my neee, rhit wuss han incredibal dissaster...."

reversef
12-28-2011, 01:51 AM
Yeah, hes getting old and grumpy

For IW he "started playing badly" after full control.
For Miami he was "heat stroke"
Madrid is yet unknown
Rome he lacked "extra bit"
Wimbledon is yet unknown
USO was tired hamstring, except 3rd set

To sum it up he did not give Djoko any credit at all, which was a first, as far as I remember.

Why is that the passion for the game and intensity was there at RG, but not before and after?

BTW seems like the consensus here is that if Djoko is not the same Nadal will win everything next year. I disagree, I think Nadal is there for the taking in 2012. There are half a dozen players who can take him out before he gets to Djoko.

Are "I started playing badly" or "I lacked the extra bit" excuses for you? :shock: It means that you didn't play well enough. It's not an excuse.
Regarding Djokovic, he gave him a lot of credit. Many times. But I guess that saying "his level is incredible" is not giving credit for you. :rolleyes:

CocaCola
12-28-2011, 04:47 AM
Yeah, I read the interview and he seemed a bit bitter, but than again, he also praised Djokovic a lot this year.

djokovicgonzalez2010
12-28-2011, 05:00 AM
He's gone from bitter to very bitter. He really would struggle to be more unlikable if he tried

namelessone
12-28-2011, 05:04 AM
Are "I started playing badly" or "I lacked the extra bit" excuses for you? :shock: It means that you didn't play well enough. It's not an excuse.
Regarding Djokovic, he gave him a lot of credit. Many times. But I guess that saying "his level is incredible" is not giving credit for you. :rolleyes:

Everything is an excuse to them.

namelessone
12-28-2011, 05:09 AM
Yeah, hes getting old and grumpy

For IW he "started playing badly" after full control.
For Miami he was "heat stroke"
Madrid is yet unknown
Rome he lacked "extra bit"
Wimbledon is yet unknown
USO was tired hamstring, except 3rd set

To sum it up he did not give Djoko any credit at all, which was a first, as far as I remember.

Why is that the passion for the game and intensity was there at RG, but not before and after?

BTW seems like the consensus here is that if Djoko is not the same Nadal will win everything next year. I disagree, I think Nadal is there for the taking in 2012. There are half a dozen players who can take him out before he gets to Djoko.

Where did you take this from?

Most Nadal fans here wonder whether Nadal will win anything of note in 2012 regardless of what Djokovic does. Heck, even Nadal says that he doesn't put much stock in AO 2012 but that he will try to play into form for clay season 2012(he specifically said April). Translation: I don't think I have what it takes to beat these guys now but hopefully I will by the time clay rolls around.

Nadal took the biggest hit on clay in 2011 and that's where he wants to make things right again.

DRII
12-28-2011, 05:11 AM
Oh please. He is jaded because he went from always beating Nole in finals(all surfaces) to always losing to Nole in finals(all surfaces). This turn around has left him bitter.

Not true! Nadal was very complimentary of Nole even in defeat. It wasn't until after the Madrid win and Nole's camp less than classy out-takes did Nadal start being a little less congratlatory towards Nole.

Of course losing constantly can make anyone upset, but i think it was more of a reaction to the opposing camp's reaction.

namelessone
12-28-2011, 05:11 AM
I don't think he is getting bitter, he has always been bitter.

What is becoming harder is continuing with the fake persona, it can't be easy constantly hiding your true thoughts and telling lies.

Congrats to Nadal for hiding his true persona for so long then.

tennis_pro
12-28-2011, 05:16 AM
Congrats to Nadal for hiding his true persona for so long then.

well it didnt show up cause (almost) everything went his way

until now

namelessone
12-28-2011, 05:18 AM
well it didnt show up cause (almost) everything went his way

until now

Damn, we might have never seen the real Rafa Nadal if he kept winning :shock:

Gorecki
12-28-2011, 05:20 AM
Using the word xenophobic in support of the Balkans :confused:

Lacking insight and history much!

whatever it might be it certainly is not "acting like a Self Righteous generalizing dooshbag who thinks he is on such a moral higher ground that he can pass judgment onthe people of a coupe of nations he probably never even visited!!!"


and by the way... Dumarse... it's not "in support of the balkans"!! it's "in criticising your random acts of bigotry"! you know... the kind of acts that Serena and Venus Williams suffer day in, day out in this forum and that you rightfully so criticise!!!!

Kurte954
12-28-2011, 05:23 AM
Yeah, hes getting old and grumpy

For IW he "started playing badly" after full control.
For Miami he was "heat stroke"
Madrid is yet unknown
Rome he lacked "extra bit"
Wimbledon is yet unknown
USO was tired hamstring, except 3rd set


Foot. There was the MTO for the foot, I think it was maybe against Fish?? I forgot. But then there was the rumors going around about the foot being broken or something that his team "leaked" to the press....................

tennis_pro
12-28-2011, 05:27 AM
Damn, we might have never seen the real Rafa Nadal if he kept winning :shock:

you should watch this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfIuA46V0Q

if Rafa is really so humble, he shouldn't be bitter now when he's losing, turns out that this bad fellow Novak has taken candy from the big boy Rafa and now he's crying, the problem is Novak doesn't have any plans of giving them back

batz
12-28-2011, 05:40 AM
Foot. There was the MTO for the foot, I think it was maybe against Fish?? I forgot. But then there was the rumors going around about the foot being broken or something that his team "leaked" to the press....................

It was v Delpo in R4. The big fella wasn't happy.

namelessone
12-28-2011, 05:52 AM
you should watch this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfIuA46V0Q

if Rafa is really so humble, he shouldn't be bitter now when he's losing, turns out that this bad fellow Novak has taken candy from the big boy Rafa and now he's crying, the problem is Novak doesn't have any plans of giving them back

Ah yes, jumping to extremes. I love this one, it's classic.

Nadal can be either the humble saint like figure who can do no wrong(as he is in the eyes of some delusional Nadal fans) or the eats children for breakfast/cheater/faker(keeping up a fake persona for six years no less) of the haters.

Very entertaining I must say.

The comments on the video are funny cause of tardiness but this stands out because it has a painful truth attached to it:

"Funny enough, people think of tennis as a classy sport, if only they knew how many of the fans were biased, trashy *******s.
It's hard enough to lose, but especially when it's the same person repeatedly. It HURTS. It's not about ego or being a sore loser it's about being HUMAN."

djokovicgonzalez2010
12-28-2011, 06:09 AM
you should watch this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfIuA46V0Q

if Rafa is really so humble, he shouldn't be bitter now when he's losing, turns out that this bad fellow Novak has taken candy from the big boy Rafa and now he's crying, the problem is Novak doesn't have any plans of giving them back

That must be my favorite vid on Youtube

DRII
12-28-2011, 06:28 AM
whatever it might be it certainly is not "acting like a Self Righteous generalizing dooshbag who thinks he is on such a moral higher ground that he can pass judgment onthe people of a coupe of nations he probably never even visited!!!"


and by the way... Dumarse... it's not "in support of the balkans"!! it's "in criticising your random acts of bigotry"! you know... the kind of acts that Serena and Venus Williams suffer day in, day out in this forum and that you rightfully so criticise!!!!

Beeoch please!

First off, your overly defensive reaction is telling; insecure much?

Secondly, its not my self-righteous generalizations. I expressly said how other Europeans feel about the Balkan region, which i gleaned from friends and acquaintances here in the states that are from Europe, namely France and the UK. And no, I have never visited the region - and probably would not want to... However, given the history, including recent history -- y'all got issues...

Thirdly, my criticisms were not 'random' acts of bigotry! I was referring to specific things Nole and or his camp have done that i find classless and certainly reinforce certain stereotypes (the whole twitter gun pic is a prime example)!!!

So your Venus/Serena comparison is not apt. If criticism of either is based solely on race then i would speak out and call it racists. But, if it regarding something specific, like Serena's threatening of a line person from 09, i would not call that racists. Serena certainly deserved criticism for that, just like (IMO) Nole deserved criticism for the gun pic!!!

Sentinel
12-28-2011, 06:39 AM
That's tragic. I had so much respect for Rafa.

Now I am hearing from JV that even Roger is getting inspired from Rafa. Soon the entire ATP will be complaining about injuries.

Mainad
12-28-2011, 07:00 AM
Now I am hearing from JV that even Roger is getting inspired from Rafa.

Lol...don't forget that Roger was far too injured to play any of the Asian tournaments this autumn/fall. Of course he was right as rain for Basel, Paris and the WTF! :wink:

Sentinel
12-28-2011, 07:24 AM
you should watch this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfIuA46V0Q

if Rafa is really so humble, he shouldn't be bitter now when he's losing, turns out that this bad fellow Novak has taken candy from the big boy Rafa and now he's crying, the problem is Novak doesn't have any plans of giving them back
Lol, I guess we can cherry-pick any moments and slap them together in a vid to make anyone look good or bad. Rafa's a good guy in my book, no saint, but no sinner either.

But definitely, tips the balance on the good side.

Kurte954
12-28-2011, 07:34 AM
you should watch this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfIuA46V0Q

if Rafa is really so humble, he shouldn't be bitter now when he's losing, turns out that this bad fellow Novak has taken candy from the big boy Rafa and now he's crying, the problem is Novak doesn't have any plans of giving them back

Rafa does look like a sore loser... However, Djoker comes across as a sore winner. Rafa seemed respectful in his wins by not over celebrating pre-handshake. When you see how Nole makes Rafa wait at the net for the handshake while he celebrates (especially the Rome final) it's off putting. I probably wouldn't be a graceful loser either in light of that... It might be a black eye instead of a handshake he got from me. :)

That said, if I were to be on court with any of these guys, I would probably celebrate like Nole if my racket touched any of their shots. I'd be like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANzBAM6Ua2k

gsharma
12-28-2011, 07:54 AM
Rafa does look like a sore loser... However, Djoker comes across as a sore winner. Rafa seemed respectful in his wins by not over celebrating pre-handshake. When you see how Nole makes Rafa wait at the net for the handshake while he celebrates (especially the Rome final) it's off putting. I probably wouldn't be a graceful loser either in light of that... It might be a black eye instead of a handshake he got from me. :)

That said, if I were to be on court with any of these guys, I would probably celebrate like Nole if my racket touched any of their shots. I'd be like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANzBAM6Ua2k

You said what was on my mind:
Rafa and Fed: sore losers but gracious winners
Nole: gracious loser but sore winner

Btw, that table tennis video is awesome. Reminded me of when I used to compete.

_maxi
12-28-2011, 08:01 AM
I don't think he is getting bitter, he has always been bitter.

What is becoming harder is continuing with the fake persona, it can't be easy constantly hiding your true thoughts and telling lies.
You are the man. Never leave these forums.

GOAT BAAH!!!
12-28-2011, 08:34 AM
Nadal's current bitterness is merely a transitional phase between his youthful humility and pending elder statesman clarity.

Sentinel
12-28-2011, 08:45 AM
Nadal's current bitterness is merely a transitional phase between his youthful humility and pending elder statesman clarity.
LOL, saw your name on the New Posts page and knew there was a transitional joke :D
You are merely a transitional member of the GOAT era on TW !

You said what was on my mind:
Rafa and Fed: sore losers but gracious winners
Nole: gracious loser but sore winner

Btw, that table tennis video is awesome. Reminded me of when I used to compete.

wait wait, how is Nole a sore winner. Do you know how long the dude has waited for these wins and what it means to him. IF he falls to the floor after winner, the loser will have to wait a bit.

At the same time, Roger and Rafa are so used to winning that you can't any longer expect them to go running up the stands. Even they fall to the ground often.

The Nole dislike/hatred on this forum is quite puzzling.

DRII
12-28-2011, 09:25 AM
Uhm,
surely even you would agree that some of Nole's, and/or Nole's camp, post - post win antics are quite off-putting and classless!

From the Serbia night parade in the streets of Madrid to the twitter gun pic...

Lets not be totally oblivious!

TMF
12-28-2011, 09:29 AM
Everything is an excuse to them.
Are "I started playing badly" or "I lacked the extra bit" excuses for you? :shock: It means that you didn't play well enough. It's not an excuse.
Regarding Djokovic, he gave him a lot of credit. Many times. But I guess that saying "his level is incredible" is not giving credit for you. :rolleyes:


Nadal doesn't stated directly, but it does imply that "when he's at his best, Nole cannot beat him". It's like Nole was lucky in 2011 that Nadal wasn't at his best. He's no different from Serena Williams. It's very hard for them to give full credits.

TMF
12-28-2011, 09:34 AM
Not true! Nadal was very complimentary of Nole even in defeat. It wasn't until after the Madrid win and Nole's camp less than classy out-takes did Nadal start being a little less congratlatory towards Nole.
Of course losing constantly can make anyone upset, but i think it was more of a reaction to the opposing camp's reaction.

Are you talking about Nole and his team celebrate after the win in Madrid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43cWPNBMU0

It was a big win for Nole because not only it was the final, but the first time he ever beat Nadal on clay. They have every right to celebrate. If Nadal can't take it, he's a sore loser.

Mike Sams
12-28-2011, 11:28 AM
Nadal doesn't stated directly, but it does imply that "when he's at his best, Nole cannot beat him". It's like Nole was lucky in 2011 that Nadal wasn't at his best. He's no different from Serena Williams. It's very hard for them to give full credits.

When Djokovic is at his best, Nadal struggles. Djokovic has always been a real problem for Nadal on every surface. Check out their Queen's 2008, Hamburg 2008, Madrid 2009, Olympics 2008 matches. Tight matches and just a little extra something would've enabled Djokovic to take the victories. It seemed to come down to stamina and belief.

Mustard
12-28-2011, 11:35 AM
Check out their Queen's 2008, Hamburg 2008, Madrid 2009, Olympics 2008 matches. Tight matches and just a little extra something would've enabled Djokovic to take the victories. It seemed to come down to stamina and belief.

And it was Nadal that had that extra stamina and belief. Before 2011, Djokovic never had that something extra against Nadal as all 7 of his pre-2011 wins over Nadal were in 2 straight sets where he blew Nadal off the court. In their 2011 matches, match by match, the situation changed.

Indian Wells: Djokovic beats Nadal in a final, and from a set down after Nadal's first serve percentage collapses after the first set

Miami: Djokovic is fitter than Nadal late in the third set, when the match was in the balance

Madrid: Djokovic beats Nadal on clay

Rome: Djokovic beats a more determined Nadal on clay

Wimbledon: Djokovic beats Nadal in a major

US Open: Djokovic again beats Nadal in a major, despite being injured

CDestroyer
12-28-2011, 11:47 AM
That must be my favorite vid on Youtube

My favorite part of the video was after Joko beat Rafa on clay. Awesome.

Nathaniel_Near
12-28-2011, 12:05 PM
And it was Nadal that had that extra stamina and belief. Before 2011, Djokovic never had that something extra against Nadal as all 7 of his pre-2011 wins over Nadal were in 2 straight sets where he blew Nadal off the court. In their 2011 matches, match by match, the situation changed.

Indian Wells: Djokovic beats Nadal in a final, and from a set down after Nadal's first serve percentage collapses after the first set

Miami: Djokovic is fitter than Nadal late in the third set, when the match was in the balance

Madrid: Djokovic beats Nadal on clay

Rome: Djokovic beats a more determined Nadal on clay

Wimbledon: Djokovic beats Nadal in a major

US Open: Djokovic again beats Nadal in a major, despite being injured

Yeah, that's the point. The little 'extra something' is being used in a more or less satirical manner, as it's cropping up a lot recently.



Somebody said earlier on that Nadal is insinuating that if he is at his best that Nole can't win. Well, I don't believe that, in an interview recently he said that he might win or lose the matches against Nole but he must at least be willing to give it that little 'extra something' and maintain a high cruise level of tennis playing ability, so that where he was extending himself to - for example in the fourth set of the US Open 2011 Final - can be sustained without feeling as if one is reaching out of themselves.

I think basically the important thing is that one should always be willing to find that little extra something as it guarantees a greater chance of victory; mind-blowing concept.

Mike Sams
12-28-2011, 12:18 PM
And it was Nadal that had that extra stamina and belief. Before 2011, Djokovic never had that something extra against Nadal as all 7 of his pre-2011 wins over Nadal were in 2 straight sets where he blew Nadal off the court. In their 2011 matches, match by match, the situation changed.

Indian Wells: Djokovic beats Nadal in a final, and from a set down after Nadal's first serve percentage collapses after the first set

Miami: Djokovic is fitter than Nadal late in the third set, when the match was in the balance

Madrid: Djokovic beats Nadal on clay

Rome: Djokovic beats a more determined Nadal on clay

Wimbledon: Djokovic beats Nadal in a major

US Open: Djokovic again beats Nadal in a major, despite being injured

Rome is the one that stands out most. Nadal was SUPPOSED to win this match. He had everything going for him. Perfect surface for his game(slow clay, great for topspin), easy draw, and best of all Djokovic was struggling and barely got through Murray in a long drawn out match the day prior. Rome was Nadal's domain. One of his top 3 best tournaments.
Djokovic smashed Nadal in the Rome final in straight sets. Not even Nadal fans or Djokovic fans saw that coming.

Kurte954
12-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Are you talking about Nole and his team celebrate after the win in Madrid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43cWPNBMU0

It was a big win for Nole because not only it was the final, but the first time he ever beat Nadal on clay. They have every right to celebrate. If Nadal can't take it, he's a sore loser.

Haha you're right. That's a much bigger win than when Rafa won the US Open, thereby completing a career slam... :roll:

TMF
12-28-2011, 01:38 PM
Haha you're right. That's a much bigger win than when Rafa won the US Open, thereby completing a career slam... :roll:

(SIGH)
You're saying a player can only celebrate after he win a career slam.:?

celoft
12-28-2011, 01:46 PM
Uhm,
surely even you would agree that some of Nole's, and/or Nole's camp, post - post win antics are quite off-putting and classless!

From the Serbia night parade in the streets of Madrid to the twitter gun pic...

Lets not be totally oblivious!

But that's not why Nads is bitter/jaded.

It's because he has become Nole's vitch.

Nad's bitterness has nothing to do with Nole's entourage being a plethora of dooshbags.

TMF
12-28-2011, 02:00 PM
Uhm,
surely even you would agree that some of Nole's, and/or Nole's camp, post - post win antics are quite off-putting and classless!

From the Serbia night parade in the streets of Madrid to the twitter gun pic...

Lets not be totally oblivious!

If Nadal doesn't like Nole's celebration, then find a way to beat him. He can also choose not play Madrid if it bothers him that much. LOL

Lsmkenpo
12-28-2011, 02:08 PM
All the top 100 tour players go to the ATP university, where they teach you various cliches and what they want you to say to the media in interviews, Nadal took it to the extreme for years, now he can't help holding in what he really feels any longer.

Clarky21
12-28-2011, 02:45 PM
All the top 100 tour players go to the ATP university, where they teach you various cliches and what they want you to say to the media in interviews, Nadal took it to the extreme for years, now he can't help holding in what he really feels any longer.


I thought Nadal was too mentally deficient to learn so how could they teach him anything?

Lsmkenpo
12-28-2011, 02:53 PM
I thought Nadal was too mentally deficient to learn so how could they teach him anything?

He is able to communicate on a limited basis, why do you think he uses the same cliches over and over? He only learned a few.

They have taught chimps sign language, teaching Nadal a couple of cliches is only slightly more difficult.

Clarky21
12-28-2011, 02:59 PM
He is able to communicate on a limited basis, why do you think he uses the same cliches over and over? He only learned a few.



What do you mean by that? Are you saying that his mental deficiency has made him incapable of learning new words and phrases? I guess that explains why his English is still so bad even after a decade on the tour.

CocaCola
12-28-2011, 03:11 PM
Beeoch please!

First off, your overly defensive reaction is telling; insecure much?

Secondly, its not my self-righteous generalizations. I expressly said how other Europeans feel about the Balkan region, which i gleaned from friends and acquaintances here in the states that are from Europe, namely France and the UK. And no, I have never visited the region - and probably would not want to... However, given the history, including recent history -- y'all got issues...

Thirdly, my criticisms were not 'random' acts of bigotry! I was referring to specific things Nole and or his camp have done that i find classless and certainly reinforce certain stereotypes (the whole twitter gun pic is a prime example)!!!

So your Venus/Serena comparison is not apt. If criticism of either is based solely on race then i would speak out and call it racists. But, if it regarding something specific, like Serena's threatening of a line person from 09, i would not call that racists. Serena certainly deserved criticism for that, just like (IMO) Nole deserved criticism for the gun pic!!!

Ooh boy. I don't want to argue about these things but, what you linked here (correct me if I'm wrong) is Djokovic's team celebration after Madrid and recent ex-Yugoslavian war history? No man, just no.

Those evil b'*****, look what they did to Vajda (the most jovial in that video), Central Europe citizen. :lol:

nadalwon2012
12-28-2011, 03:13 PM
He never made excuses for losses before. After every loss he would say "He just unbelievable player....he play much better than me today."

Now, when the discussion is regarding Djokovic, Nadal has started becoming more and more like Federer with his excuses. He's pulling the injury card after every loss. In his last interview he brought up a pulled hamstring and heatstroke in two different losses.

What happened to the whole "I accept losing with the same calm as the winning?"

I'm fearing that if Djokovic himself hears some of the bitter excuses coming out of Nadal's mouth in these interviews lately, it's going to inspire Djokovic even more when they meet in the future.

Bitter is better than bullsh1tting. Of course, you do both so I can understand your confusion.

Lsmkenpo
12-28-2011, 03:15 PM
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that his mental deficiency has made him incapable of learning new words and phrases? I guess that explains why his English is still so bad even after a decade on the tour.

These are the words and phrases they were able to teach him at the ATP university.

"Always the feeling is very special here"

"I must play at my top level to have any chance"

" I try my best"

"banana"

Clarky21
12-28-2011, 03:18 PM
These are the words and phrases they were able to teach him at the ATP university.

"Always the feeling is very special here"

"I must play at my top level to have any chance"

" I try my best"

"banana"


Lol!! :lol:

nadalwon2012
12-28-2011, 03:34 PM
These are the words and phrases they were able to teach him at the ATP university.

"Always the feeling is very special here"

"I must play at my top level to have any chance"

" I try my best"

"banana"

ATP university sure beats man-purse university, and "how to interrupt the winner's moment of glory and make him feel supreme guilt by crying at the podium" university.

tudwell
12-28-2011, 03:44 PM
ATP university sure beats man-purse university, and "how to interrupt the winner's moment of glory and make him feel supreme guilt by crying at the podium" university.

It was Federer's turn to talk at the mic. He didn't interrupt anything. He can do what he wants. Nadal's not the only guy in the trophy ceremony.

beast of mallorca
12-28-2011, 03:47 PM
ATP university sure beats man-purse university, and "how to interrupt the winner's moment of glory and make him feel supreme guilt by crying at the podium" university.

Fed has Mastered the "How to cry like a girl in a trophy ceremony". He is a Master class on that one, lol. And his fans are following suit, pathetic indeed :twisted:

Vamos Rafaito !

_maxi
12-28-2011, 04:26 PM
Bla bla bla Nadal *****. You keep buying the humble Nadal image. Poor you.

Crisstti
12-28-2011, 04:28 PM
Yeah, that's the point. The little 'extra something' is being used in a more or less satirical manner, as it's cropping up a lot recently.



Somebody said earlier on that Nadal is insinuating that if he is at his best that Nole can't win. Well, I don't believe that, in an interview recently he said that he might win or lose the matches against Nole but he must at least be willing to give it that little 'extra something' and maintain a high cruise level of tennis playing ability, so that where he was extending himself to - for example in the fourth set of the US Open 2011 Final - can be sustained without feeling as if one is reaching out of themselves.

I think basically the important thing is that one should always be willing to find that little extra something as it guarantees a greater chance of victory; mind-blowing concept.

Yeah, exactly. But obviously some people here are either just trolling or just stupid...

_maxi
12-28-2011, 04:41 PM
And it was Nadal that had that extra stamina and belief. Before 2011, Djokovic never had that something extra against Nadal as all 7 of his pre-2011 wins over Nadal were in 2 straight sets where he blew Nadal off the court. In their 2011 matches, match by match, the situation changed.

Indian Wells: Djokovic beats Nadal in a final, and from a set down after Nadal's first serve percentage collapses after the first set

Miami: Djokovic is fitter than Nadal late in the third set, when the match was in the balance

Madrid: Djokovic beats Nadal on clay

Rome: Djokovic beats a more determined Nadal on clay

Wimbledon: Djokovic beats Nadal in a major

US Open: Djokovic again beats Nadal in a major, despite being injured
The problem is that some Nadal fans believe that Nadal dropped his level instead of seeing how much Djokovic arised his level this year. Nadal made ten finals. Amazing year for him. Djokovic was a better tennis player in every aspect, Nadal didn't lack an extra banana or whatever he says, he was outplayed all the year, and his frustation came from the fact that his tactics were not working. Djokovic was simply better. In aggresiveness, in defense, everywere. That stupidity of "passion" and "extra something".. why can't he accept that he can't be the best always? that he can be defeated even on his best conditions? He was defeated by a better player, period.

Lsmkenpo
12-28-2011, 05:15 PM
Fed has Mastered the "How to cry like a girl in a trophy ceremony". He is a Master class on that one, lol. And his fans are following suit, pathetic indeed :twisted:

Vamos Rafaito !

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ch6but.jpg

cc0509
12-28-2011, 05:15 PM
Where did you take this from?

Most Nadal fans here wonder whether Nadal will win anything of note in 2012 regardless of what Djokovic does. Heck, even Nadal says that he doesn't put much stock in AO 2012 but that he will try to play into form for clay season 2012(he specifically said April). Translation: I don't think I have what it takes to beat these guys now but hopefully I will by the time clay rolls around.

Nadal took the biggest hit on clay in 2011 and that's where he wants to make things right again.

Really? On this forum? That is not what I have seen. Many of the loopy Nadal fans think Nadal is going to be back to his 2010 form and Djokovic will dramatically drop in form.

Clarky21
12-28-2011, 05:20 PM
Really? On this forum? That is not what I have seen. Many of the loopy Nadal fans think Nadal is going to be back to his 2010 form and Djokovic will dramatically drop in form.


Those people are either massive *****,trolls,or are just plain stupid. No reasonable Nadal fan believes he is going to do a whole lot next year. I for one think next year will be even worse for him,and I have also said multiple times that I think he's done and won't win jacksh*t else.

cc0509
12-28-2011, 05:23 PM
Those people are either massive *****,trolls,or are just plain stupid. No reasonable Nadal fan believes he is going to do a whole lot next year. I for one think next year will be even worse for him,and I have also said multiple times that I think he's done and won't win jacksh*t else.

Are there many of those? :lol:

TennisFan3
12-28-2011, 05:26 PM
Really? On this forum? That is not what I have seen. Many of the loopy Nadal fans think Nadal is going to be back to his 2010 form and Djokovic will dramatically drop in form.

Seriously? Tell me of ONE SENSIBLE Nadal fan who said this in so many words.

Excuse the trolls and glory hunters. I don't think they are true fans of a player anyway..

cc0509
12-28-2011, 05:35 PM
Seriously? Tell me of ONE SENSIBLE Nadal fan who said this in so many words.

Excuse the trolls and glory hunters. I don't think they are true fans of a player anyway..

Namelessone did not say anything about a "sensible Nadal fan", he said "most Nadal fans" don't think Nadal will do anything in 2012. There are Nadal fans on here who have stated that Nadal will go back to his winning ways in 2012 and Djokovic's form will fall and he will win little. I don't have to name names. I am sure you can figure out who I mean.

Clarky21
12-28-2011, 05:37 PM
Namelessone did not say anything about a "sensible Nadal fan", he said "most Nadal fans" don't think Nadal will do anything in 2012. There are Nadal fans on here who have stated that Nadal will go back to his winning ways in 2012 and Djokovic's form will fall and he will win little. I don't have to name names. I am sure you can figure out who I mean.


Those fans are delusional,but no more so than the people who think Roger is going to win 2-3 slams next year,multiple masters,and make it back to #1. Let them live on hope since that's all they got. Reality will catch up to them soon enough.

cc0509
12-28-2011, 05:51 PM
Those fans are delusional,but no more so than the people who think Roger is going to win 2-3 slams next year,multiple masters,and make it back to #1. Let them live on hope since that's all they got. Reality will catch up to them soon enough.

I have not seen many Federer fans on here say that and if they have I have missed it thankfully. On the Federer fan site there are many who think that. Many on there do not understand that Roger is 30 and has declined a lot. I am not sure they actually watch tennis and understand the process of aging and what it does to an athlete. It is hilarious to read some of this nonsense from the over the top Fed and Nadal fans.

BeHappy
12-28-2011, 07:09 PM
Those fans are delusional,but no more so than the people who think Roger is going to win 2-3 slams next year,multiple masters,and make it back to #1. Let them live on hope since that's all they got. Reality will catch up to them soon enough.

He just might...

oneness
12-28-2011, 09:25 PM
The World You See Is A Reflection Of Yourself.

MichaelNadal
12-28-2011, 09:32 PM
I think he is becoming a bit more bitter to be honest but that's natural. Djokovic beat him 6 times this year because he's a better tennis player right now. Nadal needs to accept that and if he wants to change it, train, get motivated, and fight.

TennisFan3
12-28-2011, 09:40 PM
I think he is becoming a bit more bitter to be honest but that's natural. Djokovic beat him 6 times this year because he's a better tennis player right now. Nadal needs to accept that and if he wants to change it, train, get motivated, and fight.

Hey man..I got a PS3 and Top spin 4 recently. I need some tips on how to beat the CPU in hard level and how to unlock the training sessions :)

Mike Sams
12-28-2011, 09:45 PM
He just might...

Nope. He can't go through Djokovic and Nadal back to back. He would lose to one or the other. It's mentally and physically exhausting for him just to beat one of them. Notice how he went away meekly in the 4th set of the Roland Garros final this year? There was just nothing left in his gas tank after all the effort it took to beat Djokovic and then going 3 taxing sets with Nadal in the final.
That's what it will take to win a Slam and he doesn't have that.

Sentinel
12-28-2011, 10:06 PM
Uhm,
surely even you would agree that some of Nole's, and/or Nole's camp, post - post win antics are quite off-putting and classless!

From the Serbia night parade in the streets of Madrid to the twitter gun pic...

Lets not be totally oblivious!

No Sir, if Nadal's fist pumps are okay, then so are Nole's celebrations. You can't have it for one player and not another.

The twitter gun pic -- maybe you lack a sense of humor or are overly sensitive. Joker has been a joker all along.

The night celebration was pretty vulgar i agree, but that was Vajda doing that shirtless, pelvic thrusting thing. It was off-court, and it was (HOPEFULLY) not Nole.

Let's not pretend that Nadal did not celebrate hugely after winning WO and AO for the first time.

Try not to maintain double standards.

tusharlovesrafa
12-28-2011, 11:31 PM
No Sir, if Nadal's fist pumps are okay, then so are Nole's celebrations. You can't have it for one player and not another.

The twitter gun pic -- maybe you lack a sense of humor or are overly sensitive. Joker has been a joker all along.

The night celebration was pretty vulgar i agree, but that was Vajda doing that shirtless, pelvic thrusting thing. It was off-court, and it was (HOPEFULLY) not Nole.

Let's not pretend that Nadal did not celebrate hugely after winning WO and AO for the first time.

Try not to maintain double standards.

Its a outrage an scandal a conpiracy against rafa.Novuk should be booked under International Terrorist Act and sent to 6 months of regid imprisonment in Spain In Majorca.

zagor
12-29-2011, 01:58 AM
Let's see, a very driven and competitive athlete with 10 slams under his name is bitter because one player beat him 6 times in a row across different surfaces in a given year, gee what a surprise.

Should he kiss Novak on the cheek if/when he loses to him the next time? They're not buddies, they're rivals for Pete's sake.

joeri888
12-29-2011, 02:06 AM
Let's see, a very driven and competitive athlete with 10 slams under his name is bitter because one player beat him 6 times in a row across different surfaces in a given year, gee what a surprise.

Should he kiss Novak on the cheek if/when he loses to him the next time? They're not buddies, they're rivals for Pete's sake.

Indeed. Give us some Jimbo Connors..

However, Rafa fans wont be able to take this, because the main argument (next to h2h) for Nada to be GOAT, is that he's humble and sweet and not bitter, unlike the filthy dirtbag arrogant, manpursewearing, mental carwreck from switzerland.

zagor
12-29-2011, 02:21 AM
Indeed. Give us some Jimbo Connors..

However, Rafa fans wont be able to take this, because the main argument (next to h2h) for Nada to be GOAT, is that he's humble and sweet and not bitter, unlike the filthy dirtbag arrogant, manpursewearing, mental carwreck from switzerland.

Well for a certain part of Nadal fanbase this interview will make no difference, they will always see him as some sweet humble down-to-earth innocent flower and will gobble up any excuse he & his camp offer.

However I personally don't fault him at all for supposedly getting more "bitter" as he gets older. Why shouldn't he believe the outcome of any match(even one against Novak 2.0) is up to him? That's the way he won 10 slams, countless masters titles, Olympics gold etc. The guy's one of the greatest player in open era, most people in his place would feel the same way regardless of whether they admit it interviews or not.

joeri888
12-29-2011, 02:25 AM
Well for a certain part of Nadal fanbase this interview will make no difference, they will always see him as some sweet humble down-to-earth innocent flower and will gobble up any excuse he & his camp offer.

However I personally don't fault him at all for supposedly getting more "bitter" as he gets older. Why shouldn't he believe the outcome of any match(even one against Novak 2.0) is up to him? That's the way he won 10 slams, countless masters titles, Olympics gold etc. The guy's one of the greatest player in open era, most people in his place would feel the same way regardless of whether they admit it interviews or not.

Exactly. Same goes for Federer or Djokovic. It's just that he's not more humble, less arrogant, sweeter or more honest than the maestro. They're kinda the same in this regard and both are quite okay in what they say for people and athletes of their calibre.

MonfilsMadness
12-29-2011, 03:16 AM
He's under pressure and it's to be expected.

nadalwon2012
12-29-2011, 03:47 AM
Those people are either massive *****,trolls,or are just plain stupid. No reasonable Nadal fan believes he is going to do a whole lot next year. I for one think next year will be even worse for him,and I have also said multiple times that I think he's done and won't win jacksh*t else.

Yet the stupidest fan/troll of all.....
It's his only chance but since **** is playing there next year he doesn't stand a chance of winning it. Nadal won't win any masters next year to go right along with him not winning anymore slams. If Nadal fans thought this year sucked just wait until next year. :shock:

Good luck winning money on that :D not that you would ever have the courage to put money on it (Nadal not winning a Masters shield in 2012) :lol:

Clarky21
12-29-2011, 05:50 AM
Yet the stupidest fan/troll of all.....


Good luck winning money on that :D not that you would ever have the courage to put money on it (Nadal not winning a Masters shield in 2012) :lol:


He won't win anything playing pusher,defensive tennis,and since he is incapable of change he will be lucky to even make the finals of some of these tournies much less even come close to winning any of them. You are in for a rude awakening,dear *********.

tusharlovesrafa
12-29-2011, 05:57 AM
He won't win anything playing pusher,defensive tennis,and since he is incapable of change he will be lucky to even make the finals of some of these tournies much less even come close to winning any of them. You are in for a rude awakening,dear *********.

I agree with you clarky...Bulzilla/nadalloss2012 u better agree with her or else you'll have it from me..:twisted:

DRII
12-29-2011, 06:06 AM
He won't win anything playing pusher,defensive tennis,and since he is incapable of change he will be lucky to even make the finals of some of these tournies much less even come close to winning any of them. You are in for a rude awakening,dear *********.

Ok Clarky,

the jilted lover routine is getting a little old now... :)

You certainly are an enigma rapped in a riddle!

Sentinel
12-29-2011, 06:06 AM
Did I see a thread titled "Is Nadal now becoming more bald as he gets older?" or were my eyes deceiving me?

Seriously, seems the mods deleted it before i could open it :(

tusharlovesrafa
12-29-2011, 06:09 AM
Did I see a thread titled "Is Nadal now becoming more bald as he gets older?" or were my eyes deceiving me?

Seriously, seems the mods deleted it before i could open it :(

I am always the target..:(..racist

Sentinel
12-29-2011, 06:49 AM
I am always the target..:(..racist
Now now, don't start becoming more bitter as you ....

MichaelNadal
12-29-2011, 07:15 AM
Hey man..I got a PS3 and Top spin 4 recently. I need some tips on how to beat the CPU in hard level and how to unlock the training sessions :)

Add me on there, ncmoviefan.... your shot timing just needs to be correct mainly and you just need a good sense of how to construct a point. The more you play the better you get :)

Hitman
12-29-2011, 07:55 AM
Add me on there, ncmoviefan.... your shot timing just needs to be correct mainly and you just need a good sense of how to construct a point. The more you play the better you get :)

I'm stilling playing the World Tour in Virtua Tennis 4 on the PS3, and last night, I got my butt handed to me on professional level, and I was fined for arriving late for Wimbledon, because I was doing too much charity work.

DRII
12-29-2011, 08:55 AM
TS4 sucks!

nikdom
12-29-2011, 10:57 AM
Did I see a thread titled "Is Nadal now becoming more bald as he gets older?" or were my eyes deceiving me?

Seriously, seems the mods deleted it before i could open it :(

Baldness in the mid twenties? Used to happen to bodybuilders who abused testoterone.

TennisFan3
12-29-2011, 12:59 PM
Add me on there, ncmoviefan.... your shot timing just needs to be correct mainly and you just need a good sense of how to construct a point. The more you play the better you get :)

Thanks buddy. I am new to Playstation, so bear with me here.

When you say, add me, what does that mean? Is there a way to add someone on the game? Are you referring to playstation network? I tried it yesterday night and got beat by someone in an exho match..

TennisFan3
12-29-2011, 01:01 PM
TS4 sucks!

Oh ok. What other games do you recommend for Tennis?

Also can you please recommend other non-tennis games for Ps3 too? I am new to gaming and don't have much idea.

I just got a few like Fifa, Mortal Kombat, Super Street fighter and Dragon age origins..

Hitman
12-29-2011, 01:13 PM
Oh ok. What other games do you recommend for Tennis?

Also can you please recommend other non-tennis games for Ps3 too? I am new to gaming and don't have much idea.

I just got a few like Fifa, Mortal Kombat, Super Street fighter and Dragon age origins..

I would recommend Virtua Tennis 4 for the PS3. I am currently playing it, I enjoy it immensely. The world tour is great, you have four seasons, leading to the slams, and you have to be smart with your scheduling if you want to win the Majors and be World Number 1.

TennisFan3
12-29-2011, 01:15 PM
I would recommend Virtua Tennis 4 for the PS3. I am currently playing it, I enjoy it immensely. The world tour is great, you have four seasons, leading to the slams, and you have to be smart with your scheduling if you want to win the Majors and be World Number 1.

Ok.thanks. I'll get this game then!

Any others you recommend? General Ps3 non-tennis related games?

Hitman
12-29-2011, 01:16 PM
Add me on there, ncmoviefan.... your shot timing just needs to be correct mainly and you just need a good sense of how to construct a point. The more you play the better you get :)

WWE 12 is really good. I've managed to play through a few of story lines now, and I have to admit, it's very addictive, and even better than some of the stuff we see on Raw at moment.

Speaking of Raw...Are you noticing the Heel turn of John Cena??????

Hitman
12-29-2011, 01:18 PM
Ok.thanks. I'll get this game then!

Any others you recommend? General Ps3 non-tennis related games?

No problems.

Call of Duty is cool, I love Batman Arkym Asylum. That is just amazing, and full on. WWE 12 for wrestling, I am big fan, so I am plugging that!!! Red Dead Redemption is good.

What else....hmmmm

Loads of Marvel V Capcom games, if you love that kind of stuff. I grew up with Capcom, SNK, etc.

MichaelNadal
12-29-2011, 01:43 PM
TS4 sucks!

Uh, no it doesn't at all. It's fantastic. You should definitely get it TF3. I also have Mortal Kombat :) adding someone is under the friends section of the menu. It has options to add a friend, send a message, etc.... Whats ur username? I'll add you.


WWE 12 is really good. I've managed to play through a few of story lines now, and I have to admit, it's very addictive, and even better than some of the stuff we see on Raw at moment.

Speaking of Raw...Are you noticing the Heel turn of John Cena??????

I just played 10 today, im having a hard time believing there will ever be a better wrestling game than SVR2010, but I guess i'll rent it. And yep, I LOVE how they are bringing Kane into it to help it along, super-cena has been stale for years.

Mike Sams
12-29-2011, 01:45 PM
Uh, no it doesn't at all. It's fantastic. You should definitely get it TF3. I also have Mortal Kombat :) adding someone is under the friends section of the menu. It has options to add a friend, send a message, etc.... Whats ur username? I'll add you.




I just played 10 today, im having a hard time believing there will ever be a better wrestling game than SVR2010, but I guess i'll rent it. And yep, I LOVE how they are bringing Kane into it to help it along, super-cena has been stale for years.

WWE is taking a big gamble on turning Cena heel. They are scared to go forward with it.

Mike Sams
12-29-2011, 01:46 PM
No problems.

Call of Duty is cool, I love Batman Arkym Asylum. That is just amazing, and full on. WWE 12 for wrestling, I am big fan, so I am plugging that!!! Red Dead Redemption is good.

What else....hmmmm

Loads of Marvel V Capcom games, if you love that kind of stuff. I grew up with Capcom, SNK, etc.

I'm playing Uncharted 3 Drake's Deception. Fantastic graphics. After that I'll be giving 'Saints Row The Third' a try.
Red Dead was great too! Really nice game! Love open world games.

DRII
12-29-2011, 01:51 PM
Oh ok. What other games do you recommend for Tennis?

Also can you please recommend other non-tennis games for Ps3 too? I am new to gaming and don't have much idea.

I just got a few like Fifa, Mortal Kombat, Super Street fighter and Dragon age origins..

As far as tennis games I would recommend top spin 3. It's a very good tennis simulation.

Hitman
12-29-2011, 01:53 PM
Uh, no it doesn't at all. It's fantastic. You should definitely get it TF3. I also have Mortal Kombat :) adding someone is under the friends section of the menu. It has options to add a friend, send a message, etc.... Whats ur username? I'll add you.




I just played 10 today, im having a hard time believing there will ever be a better wrestling game than SVR2010, but I guess i'll rent it. And yep, I LOVE how they are bringing Kane into it to help it along, super-cena has been stale for years.

I know it is going to be difficult for you to accept something is better. But give WWE12 a try, the storylines are just awesome. Triple H in particular...

WWE is taking a big gamble on turning Cena heel. They are scared to go forward with it.

They should turn him heel, because in Miami, The Rock's backyard there will be some serious heat on the guy. I have booked my tickets to Miami, and will be a part of Team Bring It. :) It will be my fifth WrestleMania in six years.

I'm playing Uncharted 3 Drake's Deception. Fantastic graphics. After that I'll be giving 'Saints Row The Third' a try.
Red Dead was great too! Really nice game! Love open world games.


Uncharted is very cool. I have just scraped the iceberg with that one, and will probably give it my full attention next year.

MichaelNadal
12-29-2011, 01:53 PM
WWE is taking a big gamble on turning Cena heel. They are scared to go forward with it.

Yup, but they need to realize it's necessary. Look at what happened when Hogan turned heel. His face gimmick, much like Cena's was STALEEEE.

Mike Sams
12-29-2011, 01:54 PM
I know it is going to be difficult for you to accept something is better. But give WWE12 a try, the storylines are just awesome. Triple H in particular...



They should turn him heel, because in Miami, The Rock's bad yard there will be some serious heat on the guy. I have booked my tickets to Miami, and will be a part of Team Bring It. :) It will be my fifth WrestleMania in six years.




Uncharted is very cool. I have just scraped the iceberg with that one, and will probably give it my full attention next year.

Remember the heat The Rock got in Toronto against Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania 2002? They booed the Rock out of the building and cheered like hell for Hogan. It was nuts! :lol:

Mike Sams
12-29-2011, 01:57 PM
Yup, but they need to realize it's necessary. Look at what happened when Hogan turned heel. His face gimmick, much like Cena's was STALEEEE.

I've noticed CM Punk really isn't delivering for the WWE as their next big star. Cena is still their top draw.
And the WWE is not relying on the Rock for anything other than his one time Wrestlemania gig next year. The Rock will never have a full schedule again plus he's 40.
WWE really needs to start building some real stars. The guys they're pushing currently are just mid-carders with no real charisma who can't put a sentence together on a mic.

MichaelNadal
12-29-2011, 02:00 PM
I've noticed CM Punk really isn't delivering for the WWE as their next big star. Cena is still their top draw.
And the WWE is not relying on the Rock for anything other than his one time Wrestlemania gig next year. The Rock will never have a full schedule again plus he's 40.
WWE really needs to start building some real stars. The guys they're pushing currently are just mid-carders with no real charisma who can't put a sentence together on a mic.

They are all DRY as hell and way too cookie-cutter, there's NO CHARACTERS anymore. One of the more recent dumb things they did was take Cody's mask off, he was one of the FEW guys with a gimmick. There's literally zero personality left. So little in fact, that today's wrestling fans think Zach Ryder is a God. Makes me want to vomit.

Hitman
12-29-2011, 02:06 PM
Yup, but they need to realize it's necessary. Look at what happened when Hogan turned heel. His face gimmick, much like Cena's was STALEEEE.

The nWo days - When being bad was cool.

Remember the heat The Rock got in Toronto against Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania 2002? They booed the Rock out of the building and cheered like hell for Hogan. It was nuts! :lol:

How can I forget. That was just insane! I still get goosebumps when I watch that, especially when Hogan HULKS UP!

I've noticed CM Punk really isn't delivering for the WWE as their next big star. Cena is still their top draw.
And the WWE is not relying on the Rock for anything other than his one time Wrestlemania gig next year. The Rock will never have a full schedule again plus he's 40.
WWE really needs to start building some real stars. The guys they're pushing currently are just mid-carders with no real charisma who can't put a sentence together on a mic.

CM Punk is being held back by the writers. The guy can go when he is allowed to, but Vince does like a hundred rewrites for every RAW that it can kill the momentum.

They are all DRY as hell and way too cookie-cutter, there's NO CHARACTERS anymore. One of the more recent dumb things they did was take Cody's mask off, he was one of the FEW guys with a gimmick. There's literally zero personality left. So little in fact, that today's wrestling fans think Zach Ryder is a God. Makes me want to vomit.

I can't believe they took the mask off him! Especially when WWE wants to get into Book of World Records for most masks worn in one place - Wrestlemania 28. Sin Cara vs Rey, Kane in mask and possible Undertaker again in Mask if Triple H does not get involved. They want to sell loads of mask that night.

Mike Sams
12-29-2011, 02:07 PM
They are all DRY as hell and way too cookie-cutter, there's NO CHARACTERS anymore. One of the more recent dumb things they did was take Cody's mask off, he was one of the FEW guys with a gimmick. There's literally zero personality left. So little in fact, that today's wrestling fans think Zach Ryder is a God. Makes me want to vomit.

Agreed. I just have a feeling that Vince McMahon's best days are behind him. Remember the larger-than-life characters the WWE (WWF) used to create back in the day? Such amazing characters who lived and breathed their gimmicks like The Ultimate Warrior, The Undertaker, Demolition, Jake the Snake, Hercules, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Bam Bam Bigelow, etc. And then they also had established and experienced stars from the smaller territories like Macho Man Randy Savage, Bad News Brown, etc.
What do we have now? A bunch of guys around 5'10 and barely over 200lbs like Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, etc who have no real gimmick to define them and probably would struggle to beat up the average guy on the street. :lol:

Hitman
12-29-2011, 02:11 PM
Agreed. I just have a feeling that Vince McMahon's best days are behind him. Remember the larger-than-life characters the WWE (WWF) used to create back in the day? Such amazing characters who lived and breathed their gimmicks like The Ultimate Warrior, The Undertaker, Demolition, Jake the Snake, Hercules, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Bam Bam Bigelow, etc. And then they also had established and experienced stars from the smaller territories like Macho Man Randy Savage, Bad News Brown, etc.
What do we have now? A bunch of guys around 5'10 and barely over 200lbs like Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, etc who have no real gimmick to define them and probably would struggle to beat up the average guy on the street. :lol:

That is exactly what Batista said.

Mike Sams
12-29-2011, 02:13 PM
That is exactly what Batista said.

Kofi Kingston attended a wrestling camp after getting bored on his first day in an office job. True story. :lol:

Hitman
12-29-2011, 02:16 PM
Kofi Kingston attended a wrestling camp after getting bored on his first day in an office job. True story. :lol:

Kofi Kingston's mum went on TV to say that she was disapointed that her son talks with a fake Jamaican accent, and has turned his back on his birth country. So now he is from West Africa... True Story.

MichaelNadal
12-29-2011, 02:30 PM
Agreed. I just have a feeling that Vince McMahon's best days are behind him. Remember the larger-than-life characters the WWE (WWF) used to create back in the day? Such amazing characters who lived and breathed their gimmicks like The Ultimate Warrior, The Undertaker, Demolition, Jake the Snake, Hercules, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Bam Bam Bigelow, etc. And then they also had established and experienced stars from the smaller territories like Macho Man Randy Savage, Bad News Brown, etc.
What do we have now? A bunch of guys around 5'10 and barely over 200lbs like Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, etc who have no real gimmick to define them and probably would struggle to beat up the average guy on the street. :lol:

Very true, bland, bland, bland. This whole "reality" era isn't doing it for me, Kane is the most entertaining thing for me right now bc he has more character now than anyone else does.

Mick
12-29-2011, 02:40 PM
He never made excuses for losses before. After every loss he would say "He just unbelievable player....he play much better than me today."

Probably because when Nadal was younger, he couldn't speak english very well, so when the english press asked him, he would give them that answer. Now that he is older and can speak english better, he is giving more accurate reasons (from his point of view) for the losses.

Mustard
12-29-2011, 03:50 PM
Very true, bland, bland, bland. This whole "reality" era isn't doing it for me.

The Chris Benoit murder-suicide thing is the reason why.

Probably because when Nadal was younger, he couldn't speak english very well, so when the english press asked him, he would give them that answer. Now that he is older and can speak english better, he is giving more accurate reasons (from his point of view) for the losses.

This is certainly a big reason. His Spanish interviews have always had more depth.

Crisstti
12-29-2011, 05:07 PM
However I personally don't fault him at all for supposedly getting more "bitter" as he gets older. Why shouldn't he believe the outcome of any match(even one against Novak 2.0) is up to him? That's the way he won 10 slams, countless masters titles, Olympics gold etc. The guy's one of the greatest player in open era, most people in his place would feel the same way regardless of whether they admit it interviews or not.

He better does believe that.

nadalwon2012
12-29-2011, 07:20 PM
Baldness in the mid twenties? Used to happen to bodybuilders who abused testoterone.

Baldness in the mid twenties is common. Millions of men in the world have this. Agassi and Jordan did too.

tusharlovesrafa
12-29-2011, 07:28 PM
The Chris Benoit murder-suicide thing is the reason why.



This is certainly a big reason. His Spanish interviews have always had more depth.

I loved wathching Eddie Guerrero but unfortunately he died..I lie I cheat I steel to win..lol..Wrestling is really boring now a days...

TennisFan3
12-30-2011, 03:07 AM
I'm playing Uncharted 3 Drake's Deception. Fantastic graphics. After that I'll be giving 'Saints Row The Third' a try.
Red Dead was great too! Really nice game! Love open world games.

Damn..I haven't played any uncharted game, and it seems those are heavily recommended.

I might need to start with the first I guess :(

TennisFan3
12-30-2011, 03:08 AM
No problems.

Call of Duty is cool, I love Batman Arkym Asylum. That is just amazing, and full on. WWE 12 for wrestling, I am big fan, so I am plugging that!!! Red Dead Redemption is good.

What else....hmmmm

Loads of Marvel V Capcom games, if you love that kind of stuff. I grew up with Capcom, SNK, etc.

Thanks for the list. I'll try to get WWE and Batman. I'm typically not fond of First person shooters, or other games where shooting is the main objective. I prefer the RPG/Adventure type games more.

niff
12-30-2011, 03:20 AM
Thanks for the list. I'll try to get WWE and Batman. I'm typically not fond of First person shooters, or other games where shooting is the main objective. I prefer the RPG/Adventure type games more.
Arkham City is the new Batman and it's AMAZING. You'd also love any of the assassins creed games, assassins creed brotherhood is probably the one with the best variety. If you don't have a PC worthy of Skyrim then it's worth getting on console. Deus Ex Human Revolution is the other huge RPG out at the moment. Be sure to catch up on Fallout 3 (get the Game of the Year edition) too, as well as Mass Effect 2 (or just wait for Mass Effect 3 next year, since you will never have the time to play all of these games haha).

namelessone
12-30-2011, 03:25 AM
Arkham City is the new Batman and it's AMAZING. You'd also love any of the assassins creed games, assassins creed brotherhood is probably the one with the best variety. If you don't have a PC worthy of Skyrim then it's worth getting on console. Deus Ex Human Revolution is the other huge RPG out at the moment. Be sure to catch up on Fallout 3 (get the Game of the Year edition) too, as well as Mass Effect 2 (or just wait for Mass Effect 3 next year, since you will never have the time to play all of these games haha).

LOL, you're gonna kill his free time :)

As it happens, I have bought Arkham City and AC:R for PC this month and they are very good games.

tlm
12-30-2011, 03:28 AM
No it is the haters who are bitter, as shown by this and all the endless rafa hater threads.

zagor
12-30-2011, 03:42 AM
He better does believe that.

My point exactly, when a champ like Nadal stops believing that then he's in serious trouble.

niff
12-30-2011, 03:42 AM
LOL, you're gonna kill his free time :)

As it happens, I have bought Arkham City and AC:R for PC this month and they are very good games.
I still need AC:R! Usually I buy FPS and fun games like littlebigplanet and the boyfriend supplies the serious RPGs and adventure games for us both. It's a good system.

Oh TF3, get Dark Souls for sure! Most satisfying sword combat I've ever played, it's so meaty. And immensely frustratingly hard.

Hood_Man
12-30-2011, 04:40 AM
Chalk me up as another fan of Top Spin 4. My all time favourite is still Grand Slam Tennis on the wii though. It's not just the motion controls it's also the way the momentum can change within a match. I remember my first semi final at wimbledon against Becker. I lost the first set 6-1, the second set I had to break back like two or three times and save a handful of set points just to get to the tiebreak, which I lost like 10-8 or something.
The third set was very much like the second, only I was eventually able to get a lead and serve for it, got broken, saved match points in my next service game, went into a tiebreak, saved match points there too, and eventually won that by another crazy score.
The 4th set I won 6-1 on a huge wave of momentum, broke right at the stay of the 5th, and then promptly lost 6 games in a row.

I was seriously annoyed after that, but I look back fondly as I realise how thrilling it was, knowing they a match like that could happen. As much as I love Top Spin I find that if I play well I'll generally hammer the opponent, or get hammered in return. I've yet to find that middle ground.

Anyway, as for Nadal I think he's certainly getting angrier these days. Not massively so but at last years Wimbledon and WTF, and especially this years US Open final I saw him argue back and lose his temper in a way I've not seen from him before.

Granted I've only been able to watch tennis regularly since mid 2008 so I might be talking gubbins, but if it is happening more frequently than I'm glad, I like seeing the players get annoyed like that. Not if it happens frequently or gets particularly nasty like done of Roddick or Serena's outbursts, but now and again I find it adds to the excitement.


P.s. if you want a game that destroys your social life then look no further than Skyrim. That game is like crack!

SLD76
12-30-2011, 04:56 AM
Chalk me up as another fan of Top Spin 4. My all time favourite is still Grand Slam Tennis on the wii though. It's not just the motion controls it's also the way the momentum can change within a match. I remember my first semi final at wimbledon against Becker. I lost the first set 6-1, the second set I had to break back like two or three times and save a handful of set points just to get to the tiebreak, which I lost like 10-8 or something.
The third set was very much like the second, only I was eventually able to get a lead and serve for it, got broken, saved match points in my next service game, went into a tiebreak, saved match points there too, and eventually won that by another crazy score.
The 4th set I won 6-1 on a huge wave of momentum, broke right at the stay of the 5th, and then promptly lost 6 games in a row.

I was seriously annoyed after that, but I look back fondly as I realise how thrilling it was, knowing they a match like that could happen. As much as I love Top Spin I find that if I play well I'll generally hammer the opponent, or get hammered in return. I've yet to find that middle ground.

Anyway, as for Nadal I think he's certainly getting angrier these days. Not massively so but at last years Wimbledon and WTF, and especially this years US Open final I saw him argue back and lose his temper in a way I've not seen from him before.

Granted I've only been able to watch tennis regularly since mid 2008 so I might be talking gubbins, but if it is happening more frequently than I'm glad, I like seeing the players get annoyed like that. Not if it happens frequently or gets particularly nasty like done of Roddick or Serena's outbursts, but now and again I find it adds to the excitement.


P.s. if you want a game that destroys your social life then look no further than Skyrim. That game is like crack!


Topsin...is proving challenging to get the timing on the strokes correct, but at least you can hit winners.

Virtua tennis the only way to win a damn point is netplay.

DRII
12-30-2011, 05:33 AM
Probably the best tennis game, minus the cartoon character graphics, has to be Mario Tennis 64.

An absolutely fantastic game with the best physics and dynamics along with intuitive controls of any tennis video game I've played!

But as far as realism, I would have to go with Top Spin 3...

Sentinel
12-30-2011, 06:03 AM
Nadal's been having too much of Lindt 99% to see what the fuss is all about.

He's joined the BOTE but that news has not yet been released.

OddJack
12-30-2011, 06:06 AM
He showed bitterness today in abdab. He was grumpy like an old man. He did not give any credit to ferrer in his speech either.

Crisstti
12-30-2011, 06:59 AM
Baldness in the mid twenties is common. Millions of men in the world have this. Agassi and Jordan did too.

Rafa's balding spot seems to have pretty much dissapeared though. Wonder what he took for it.

My point exactly, when a champ like Nadal stops believing that then he's in serious trouble.

Yep, I completely agree with you.

Hood_Man
12-30-2011, 07:09 AM
Topsin...is proving challenging to get the timing on the strokes correct, but at least you can hit winners.

Virtua tennis the only way to win a damn point is netplay.

I've played Virtua Tennis 4 and I agree serve and volley is pretty much the only way I can hold serve, but at the same time I'm sure there's a delay between pressing a button and the corresponding action, if I want my character to do anything it feels like I have to hit it too early. The career mode is great though.

Hitman
12-30-2011, 07:09 AM
Thanks for the list. I'll try to get WWE and Batman. I'm typically not fond of First person shooters, or other games where shooting is the main objective. I prefer the RPG/Adventure type games more.


Cool. No problems!

Arkham City is the new Batman and it's AMAZING. You'd also love any of the assassins creed games, assassins creed brotherhood is probably the one with the best variety. If you don't have a PC worthy of Skyrim then it's worth getting on console. Deus Ex Human Revolution is the other huge RPG out at the moment. Be sure to catch up on Fallout 3 (get the Game of the Year edition) too, as well as Mass Effect 2 (or just wait for Mass Effect 3 next year, since you will never have the time to play all of these games haha).

I love Assassins Creed Brotherhood. :) And yeah, Batman Arkham City just is off the charts!

Hood_Man
12-30-2011, 07:13 AM
Probably the best tennis game, minus the cartoon character graphics, has to be Mario Tennis 64.

An absolutely fantastic game with the best physics and dynamics along with intuitive controls of any tennis video game I've played!

Very true, the only problem I had with it was the N64 controller's joystick used to hurt my thumb after a while.

Did you play the version on the Gamecube/Wii? I hated it, way too much emphasis on those ridiculous power shots.

Hitman
12-30-2011, 07:13 AM
I've played Virtua Tennis 4 and I agree serve and volley is pretty much the only way I can hold serve, but at the same time I'm sure there's a delay between pressing a button and the corresponding action, if I want my character to do anything it feels like I have to hit it too early. The career mode is great though.

Really? I actually struggle a bit with that play, but from the back of court, I have good anticipation, and can rally quite well. I've had up to 40 plus rally shot points against the proffessionals. Transitioning to the net is a bit hard for me, but I try to ghost in when I can...doesn't always work and I give the ball too much air.

TMF
12-30-2011, 09:52 AM
As long as Nadal continue to struggle winning, he'll get more bitter. You can tell he wants to break every records set by Federer. Since Nadal was unable to stop Federer from breaking Sampras' 14 slams, surely he doesn't want Nole standing in his way from catching Federer.

Mike Sams
12-30-2011, 09:58 AM
As long as Nadal continue to struggle winning, he'll get more bitter. You can tell he wants to break every records set by Federer. Since Nadal was unable to stop Federer from breaking Sampras' 14 slams, surely he doesn't want Nole standing in his way from catching Federer.

Or worse yet, Nadal doesn't want Nole gaining on him. After all, Nole is 6 away from catching Nadal and Nadal is 6 away from catching Federer. And Nadal is closer to the end of his physical prime than Nole is.

TMF
12-30-2011, 10:03 AM
Or worse yet, Nadal doesn't want Nole gaining on him. After all, Nole is 6 away from catch Nadal and Nadal is 6 away from catching Federer. And Nadal is closer to the end of his physical prime than Nole is.

Quite true. Instead of dreaming to be the most slam winners(surpass Roger) in the future, but falling behind Nole thus being in 3rd place in this era will be disappointing. Very disappointing.

DRII
12-30-2011, 10:08 AM
Very true, the only problem I had with it was the N64 controller's joystick used to hurt my thumb after a while.

Did you play the version on the Gamecube/Wii? I hated it, way too much emphasis on those ridiculous power shots.

Yea man, i agree with you 100%

I hated the other versions of Mario Tennis! The Game Cube version pretty much caused me to switch to Sony! I was a 100% Nintendo fan because of games like Mario Tennis 64...

Hitman
12-30-2011, 10:42 AM
Yea man, i agree with you 100%

I hated the other versions of Mario Tennis! The Game Cube version pretty much caused me to switch to Sony! I was a 100% Nintendo fan because of games like Mario Tennis 64...

I was a Nintendo fan also. I remember the 16 bit war that took place between the Super Nintendo and the Sega Mega Drive. I kind of stuck with them through all the major consoles except the game cube - didn't get that one.

Had gameboy, Super NES, N64 - I don't know how many hours I spent with my friends playing Golden Eye Battle Royale. I also have the Wii.

Now I have XBox and PS3 - which I play pretty 95% of the time.

Hitman
12-30-2011, 10:45 AM
Or worse yet, Nadal doesn't want Nole gaining on him. After all, Nole is 6 away from catching Nadal and Nadal is 6 away from catching Federer. And Nadal is closer to the end of his physical prime than Nole is.

Something tells me that Nole will be more closer to Rafa, than Rafa will be to Rog after 2012 comes to an end. I also feel that if Roger captures one more slam, he will shut the door on Rafa overtaking him completely.

namelessone
12-30-2011, 11:15 AM
Something tells me that Nole will be more closer to Rafa, than Rafa will be to Rog after 2012 comes to an end. I also feel that if Roger captures one more slam, he will shut the door on Rafa overtaking him completely.

That door was shut in mid 2009, when Fed was still at 13 at the beginning of the year. After Fed got to 15(then to 16 in 2010) in that summer, any sane person knew then that it was nigh impossible for Rafa to reach him. If Rafa had a game tailored for HC, maybe(and that's a very big maybe) but otherwise no, just no.
It would be hard for Djoko if you gave him Rafa's slam count let alone for Rafa who isn't as good on HC.

mattennis
12-30-2011, 11:30 AM
That door was shut in mid 2009, when Fed was still at 13 at the beginning of the year.

That's what I think aswell. In that moment, Federer was not mentally well.

Hadn't Nadal had those problems (overplayed tendinitis knees and family problems), had he won RolandGarros'09 and Wimbledon'09, then perhaps it could be done. Federer would have won another GS sooner or later, but perhaps he would have been stucked at 14 and that is a huge difference.

But 16 is just too much. I think Nadal at most gets to 13 or 14 GS.

Time will tell.

Clarky21
12-30-2011, 11:39 AM
That's what I think aswell. In that moment, Federer was not mentally well.

Hadn't Nadal had those problems (overplayed tendinitis knees and family problems), had he won RolandGarros'09 and Wimbledon'09, then perhaps it could be done. Federer would have won another GS sooner or later, but perhaps he would have been stucked at 14 and that is a huge difference.

But 16 is just too much. I think Nadal at most gets to 13 or 14 GS.

Time will tell.


Nope. He will be very,very lucky to even get to 11.

West Coast Ace
12-30-2011, 11:48 AM
Nope. He will be very,very lucky to even get to 11.+1. Unless Djokovic reverts to his old self and Fed retires, getting the French one more time is going to be a huge chore for Rafa.

Crisstti
12-30-2011, 12:04 PM
That's what I think aswell. In that moment, Federer was not mentally well.

Hadn't Nadal had those problems (overplayed tendinitis knees and family problems), had he won RolandGarros'09 and Wimbledon'09, then perhaps it could be done. Federer would have won another GS sooner or later, but perhaps he would have been stucked at 14 and that is a huge difference.

But 16 is just too much. I think Nadal at most gets to 13 or 14 GS.

Time will tell.

Yeah, I agree too. Not saying it's impossible, but I certainly don't expect him to.

TennisFan3
12-30-2011, 03:50 PM
Arkham City is the new Batman and it's AMAZING. You'd also love any of the assassins creed games, assassins creed brotherhood is probably the one with the best variety. If you don't have a PC worthy of Skyrim then it's worth getting on console. Deus Ex Human Revolution is the other huge RPG out at the moment. Be sure to catch up on Fallout 3 (get the Game of the Year edition) too, as well as Mass Effect 2 (or just wait for Mass Effect 3 next year, since you will never have the time to play all of these games haha).

Thanks for the recommendations. I already got Mass Effect 2. It was rated highly everywhere and is priced well too. I haven't yet played it though,,

I'll get the Batman first. LOL.I'm already accumulating a backlog of games. There's hardly much time to play on anything other than the weekends.

nadalwon2012
12-30-2011, 08:11 PM
+1. Unless Djokovic reverts to his old self and Fed retires, getting the French one more time is going to be a huge chore for Rafa.

You could of said that about 2011 Roland Garros, but look at what happened....

Mustard
12-31-2011, 06:26 AM
+1. Unless Djokovic reverts to his old self and Fed retires, getting the French one more time is going to be a huge chore for Rafa.

Yet Nadal has lost just one best of 5 sets match on clay in his life, and that was to Soderling, not Federer or Djokovic.

Clarky21
12-31-2011, 06:31 AM
Yet Nadal has lost just one best of 5 sets match on clay in his life, and that was to Soderling, not Federer or Djokovic.


But you have to admit that Nadal has declined considerably,especially on clay,and that it's very likely he will lose at RG this year. He can't keep up that record forever.

tusharlovesrafa
12-31-2011, 06:33 AM
But you have to admit that Nadal has declined considerably,especially on clay,and that it's very likely he will lose at RG this year. He can't keep up that record forever.

I concur..

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 06:39 AM
Nadal cruised through all his clay events in 2011. Just because Djokovic beat him on clay, it doesn't mean anyone else will (since nobody did in 2011). So if you want Nadal lose on clay, all your hopes rest with Djokovic at this stage. Soderling played Nadal at Roland Garros twice since 2009, and Nadal took him to the cleaners at Roland Garros, winning 6 sets in a row. Nadal's biggest advantage on clay is that his serve plays no part in his success. He slows it down even at RG.

passive_aggressive
12-31-2011, 06:43 AM
I like Nadal.

Plays every point the same way regardless of surface or opponent.

Says the same thing at every press conference.

Arranges his bottles in exactly the same way.

Consistent people are the best.

Clarky21
12-31-2011, 06:44 AM
Nadal cruised through all his clay events in 2011. Just because Djokovic beat him on clay, it doesn't mean anyone else will (since nobody did in 2011). So if you want Nadal lose on clay, all your hopes rest with Djokovic at this stage. Soderling played Nadal at Roland Garros twice since 2009, and Nadal took him to the cleaners at Roland Garros, winning 6 sets in a row. Nadal's biggest advantage on clay is that his serve plays no part in his success. He slows it down even at RG.



If you call the way Nadal played throughout the clay season cruising,then I would hate to see what he would look like when he's playing badly. Nadal was AWFUL during the clay season,and never once looked convincing at any one time. It's only going to get worse in 2012 so I would keep my expectiations low if I were you.

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 06:47 AM
I like Nadal.

Plays every point the same way regardless of surface or opponent.

Says the same thing at every press conference.

Arranges his bottles in exactly the same way.

Consistent people are the best.

It puts him in a great position to cash in if anyone slips, ala the way Federer cashed in in 2009. Nadal knows if he stays on top of Murray at the slams (and steps up to the plate when he plays the streaky guys like Tsonga and Del Potro) he will always have a chance, because that only leaves Djokovic and Federer in his path, and Federer hasn't won for a while, yet Federer has given Djokovic hell at the slams.

passive_aggressive
12-31-2011, 06:52 AM
It puts him in a great position to cash in if anyone slips, ala the way Federer cashed in in 2009. Nadal knows if he stays on top of Murray at the slams (and steps up to the plate when he plays the streaky guys like Tsonga and Del Potro) he will always have a chance, because that only leaves Djokovic and Federer in his path, and Federer hasn't won for a while, yet Federer has given Djokovic hell at the slams.

Nadal knows that he will get Murray 100% of the time in his half. He therefore is literally guaranteed a free pass to the final of every slam.

If Djokovic loses to Federer in the semi's, Nadal is actually guaranteed to win the whole thing. Before he's even played a single shot.

However, it may not be so easy for Nadal to reach slam finals in 2012 because I predict Murray won't make it past the 4th round of any slam in 2012. That means the person who took Murray out may actually be capable of hitting some winners, and that may be harder for Nadal to handle.

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 06:56 AM
If you call the way Nadal played throughout the clay season cruising,then I would hate to see what he would look like when he's playing badly. Nadal was AWFUL during the clay season,and never once looked convincing at any one time. It's only going to get worse in 2012 so I would keep my expectiations low if I were you.

I'm into reality, you know reality, where this year apart from his matches vs Djokovic, Nadal only dropped 3 sets (1 to Murray, 1 to Federer) in the clay events leading up to Roland Garros, and then only dropped 2 sets before the Roland Garros final. Then in the RG final he dropped 1 set to Federer before winning 6-1 in the 4th set. Nadal can fall a lot more than that and still win Roland Garros. But the fact you think a player is supposed to always performing worse from one year to the next, is amusing. I would love to read some of your posts just after 2009 RG :lol:

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 07:00 AM
Nadal knows that he will get Murray 100% of the time in his half. He therefore is literally guaranteed a free pass to the final of every slam.

If Djokovic loses to Federer in the semi's, Nadal is actually guaranteed to win the whole thing. Before he's even played a single shot.

However, it may not be so easy for Nadal to reach slam finals in 2012 because I predict Murray won't make it past the 4th round of any slam in 2012. That means the person who took Murray out may actually be capable of hitting some winners, and that may be harder for Nadal to handle.

Anythings possible. Though I'm pretty impressed with Murray lately. If Tsonga is the guy who takes Murray out I don't mind, since Tsonga seems to be incapable of finishing off a slam. He beats one top dog, and then falls to the next top dog. He has a concentration limit or something.

passive_aggressive
12-31-2011, 07:03 AM
Anythings possible. Though I'm pretty impressed with Murray lately. If Tsonga is the guy who takes Murray out I don't mind, since Tsonga seems to be incapable of finishing off a slam. He beats one top dog, and then falls to the next top dog. He has a concentration limit or something.

Yeh, but what happens if the first top dog Tsonga faces is Nadal?

Haha, lol, Tsonga is only a threat to really old men like Federer. I'm pretty sure he poses no threat to Nadal at a slam. Maybe he could beat Nadal at some exo where Nadal didn't care, but not at a slam.

Hitman
12-31-2011, 07:08 AM
Nadal is right up there as a top contender for all four slams. It is so difficult to bet against this guy in a best of five. I wouldn't be surprised if he does clean up in the slams in the 2012 season.

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 07:18 AM
Nadal is right up there as a top contender for all four slams. It is so difficult to bet against this guy in a best of five. I wouldn't be surprised if he does clean up in the slams in the 2012 season.

I would be quite the megastar if that were to happen.

Hitman
12-31-2011, 07:20 AM
I would be quite the megastar if that were to happen.

I don't understand what you mean by that. :confused:

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 07:22 AM
I don't understand what you mean by that. :confused:

Check out my username.

passive_aggressive
12-31-2011, 07:25 AM
I would be quite the megastar if that were to happen.

Prepare to be a 'megastar' (what, do you live in the 80s) then.

I don't think Nadal can physically drop a single set in any slam this year.

What competition has he got??

Djokovic!! Lol, Djokovic is done.

Hitman
12-31-2011, 07:26 AM
Check out my username.

Is that why you changed it from *********?

What would be Nadal winning 2012 for you? The majority of the slams? Half of the slams? Minimum.

decades
12-31-2011, 07:30 AM
Nadal is right up there as a top contender for all four slams. It is so difficult to bet against this guy in a best of five. I wouldn't be surprised if he does clean up in the slams in the 2012 season.

your mind operates in a universe without Djokovic. that must be a strange place indeed.

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 08:10 AM
Is that why you changed it from *********?

What would be Nadal winning 2012 for you? The majority of the slams? Half of the slams? Minimum.

*********? I don't see any option in the user cp to change the username, not that I ever would. Yeah if Nadal has a better year than anyone else then he's won 2012. So the most slams, or the equal most slams with another guy and better overall results than that other guy. That would be the minimum.

nadalwon2012
12-31-2011, 08:11 AM
Prepare to be a 'megastar' (what, do you live in the 80s) then.

I don't think Nadal can physically drop a single set in any slam this year.

What competition has he got??

Djokovic!! Lol, Djokovic is done.

I predict he'll drop more than a set, hope I'm wrong.

passive_aggressive
12-31-2011, 08:13 AM
I predict he'll drop more than a set, hope I'm wrong.

Doesn't matter what you predict, Nadal is physically incapable of dropping a set in a Slam.

Sentinel
12-31-2011, 08:21 AM
Nadal knows that he will get Murray 100% of the time in his half. He therefore is literally guaranteed a free pass to the final of every slam.

If Djokovic loses to Federer in the semi's, Nadal is actually guaranteed to win the whole thing. Before he's even played a single shot.

However, it may not be so easy for Nadal to reach slam finals in 2012 because I predict Murray won't make it past the 4th round of any slam in 2012. That means the person who took Murray out may actually be capable of hitting some winners, and that may be harder for Nadal to handle.
Are you daring to suggest that Nadal is not invincible. Or that he needs an easy draw ?

Because that's what it seems like.