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Golden
01-03-2012, 06:27 PM
Just me hitting a couple serves. I know I'm doing something wrong. Could I get some tips? Btw I'm 16.

WildVolley
01-03-2012, 06:29 PM
You might want to post a video.

Golden
01-03-2012, 06:31 PM
Righhht. Forgot. http://youtu.be/87PYMRyrzc8

Xizel
01-03-2012, 06:37 PM
Get a deeper racquet drop. It is proportionate to power and the reason why Roddick and Sampras has so much power due to their shoulder flexibility. Yours is pretty shallow if we get the right pause.

http://www.tennisone.com/newsletter/template/photos/1.8.10/Roddick.Federer.serve.1.jpg

Limpinhitter
01-03-2012, 06:43 PM
Righhht. Forgot. http://youtu.be/87PYMRyrzc8

Not bad. Your racquet drop could be a little deeper, but, that's not the most important issue.

What is almost completely missing is upper body rotation. After the ball leaves your hand on the toss, turn your back to the target and push your left hip to the target so that your shoulders are steeply angles. Then, on the upward swing, rotate your upper body back toward the target. That UBR at an upward angle will add a lot of power and spin to your serve.

WildVolley
01-03-2012, 06:45 PM
Not bad. Things look nice and relaxed, perhaps too relaxed.

I think you could get your tossing arm pointed a little more up and held up a smidge longer to get more of a shoulder over shoulder movement. I wouldn't mind seeing you turn a little further back in your windup, too.

Basically, I think you have the foundation for developing a strong serve. The timing isn't there a 100% yet, but keep practicing and keep your shoulder healthy and you should improve.

You may want to also shoot video from the side angle to see what you are doing in terms of the archers bow and weight shift. I like your Federer-style pre-serve routine.

RoddickAce
01-03-2012, 07:50 PM
We have somewhat similar service motions lol, and one thing I think we both could improve on is, while at the trophy pose, pointing higher up with the left arm and bringing the right elbow down further to encourage more shoulder rotation.

rufusbgood
01-03-2012, 08:39 PM
We can talk about more vertical tossing arms, more upper body rotation, steeper shoulder angles but I took the liberty of creating a visual. Hope it's not unwelcome.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2nl7n9c.jpg

WildVolley
01-03-2012, 09:36 PM
Nice visual Rufus. Shows that he's on the right track, he just needs to exaggerate things a bit more and get a little more loading in the windup and a more upward swing path.

rufusbgood
01-04-2012, 12:26 PM
I was really impressed by how similar they appear from the knees down. I think the most dramatic difference is the shoulder tilt. Look at how much closer Djokers right elbow is to his right foot than his left elbow. OP's elbows are almost equidistant because his shoulders are nearly level.

charliefedererer
01-04-2012, 11:07 PM
All good tips above.

One of the confusing things is when and how to get that "bow shape" as viewed from the side.

http://news.tennis365.net/lesson/img/pro_gif/sampras_serve_04_0402.jpg

After the ball release, the tossing arm continues up and up and up, increasing the shoulder angle.

But notice that by pic 5 while Pete is fully coiled, he has not attained the "bow shape".

As he bends his knees further in the next 4 pics into his trophy position, he is letting his front hip protrude out to counterbalance the backward tilt of his upper body, and to get that steep shoulder angle.
Tennis Lesson: Serve Tips: Lead with the Hip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgeYmEScfgQ



If you can get into this more aggressive trophy position with a steep front to back shoulder angle, then you need to vertically reverse the shoulder angle as Jim McLennan describes in the following video (and not just swing the shoulders around horizontally as you are now doing).
Preventing Rotator Cuff Injury http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTRvxaBMh8s
[A side benefit of this vertical shoulder over shoulder action is a reduced chance of incurring a rotator cuff overuse injury.]




If you can get this vertical shoulder over shoulder motion down, you won't have to be swinging your right leg way out to the right, as the forward propulsive motion of forcefully "reversing the bow shape" will dominate your tendency to spin around from uncoiling.

Then you will be landing on your left foot, with your back foot kicking straight back like the pros do it for a more balanced ending to your serve so you can be prepared for the return.
Leg Kick on Tennis Serve http://blip.tv/fuzzy-yellow-balls/leg-kick-on-tennis-serve-1190196


You may also find the following video helpful to visualize the increased power you can get from forming, then reversing the bow shape:
Nick Bollettieri-Sonic Serve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajoZ0f7hw-A



Good luck!

zapvor
01-05-2012, 11:47 AM
Pretty good motion you got the djokovic routine down

Nostradamus
01-05-2012, 11:57 AM
Righhht. Forgot. http://youtu.be/87PYMRyrzc8

Develop a pre-serve routine, same every time. bounce the ball same number of times if possible. and take a deep breath and exhale as part of routine.

Keep your left tossing arm and hand up there as long as possible. you seem to drop it little too soon. looks a bit hurried. relaxed rhythm and deliverate motion helps consistancy.

Bit more shoulder turn will add some power. Also load all your weight in the leg bend and explode up and into the ball. you seem to be in a hurry to load and hit the ball. Get into more of deliverate rhythmic motion like Sampras or Federer