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aceX
01-15-2012, 03:39 PM
Discuss all things fighting: boxing, martial arts, kick boxing, even WWE if that's your thing.

aceX
01-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Here's a gif of Barboza's spinned kick KO... the way Etim was unconscious the moment that kick landed was a thing of another planet... the guy just planked there and the rest was gravity taking place.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ICvRgqgtpN0/TxJKn41fjuI/AAAAAAAAHKw/nWJiuyqhtt8/s1600/2.gif

Best KO in UFC history along with Lyoto, and Anderson Silva's kicks.

Terry Etim was unconscious for a minute but he awoke and seemed fine after a few minutes during the judges decision, just a bit confused, as one would expect.

Here's something to get us started

Hot Sauce
01-15-2012, 04:02 PM
I train UFC.

Ronaldo
01-15-2012, 04:28 PM
I train UFC.

Many MMA gyms in Vancouver? Can remember Xtreme Couture

westside
01-15-2012, 04:30 PM
I train UFC.

I've been training in Strikeforce for years

GRANITECHIEF
01-16-2012, 11:58 AM
Free UFC fights on FX this Friday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night_26

Main card LW bout: Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller
WW bout: Duane Ludwig vs. Josh Neer
Bantamwt bout: Mike Easton vs. Jared Papazian[1]
Heavywt bout: Pat Barry ]vs. Christian Morecraft

Preliminary card
(Fuel TV)Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer[1]
Lightwt bout: Kamal Shalorus vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov[1]
Welterweight bout: Charlie Brenneman vs. Daniel Roberts[1]
Featherwight bout: Daniel Pineda vs. Pat Schilling[1]
Bantamweight bout: Joseph Sandoval vs. Nick Denis[1]

ASantana
01-16-2012, 12:08 PM
I hope I'm not the only one that wanted to cry when the UFC was airing on FOX Sports and they were playing the football song before and after commercials. I really hope that the UFC as well as MMA expands but I didn't really like the look of it on a big sports channel such as FOX. I think that they could possibly have an MMA channel like how they have a Tennis Channel and Golf Channel.

Ronaldo
01-16-2012, 12:20 PM
Free UFC fights on FX this Friday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night_26

Main card LW bout: Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller
WW bout: Duane Ludwig vs. Josh Neer
Bantamwt bout: Mike Easton vs. Jared Papazian[1]
Heavywt bout: Pat Barry ]vs. Christian Morecraft

Preliminary card
(Fuel TV)Middleweight bout: Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer[1]
Lightwt bout: Kamal Shalorus vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov[1]
Welterweight bout: Charlie Brenneman vs. Daniel Roberts[1]
Featherwight bout: Daniel Pineda vs. Pat Schilling[1]
Bantamweight bout: Joseph Sandoval vs. Nick Denis[1]

Read Duane Ludwig and Josh Neer were off the card.

GRANITECHIEF
01-16-2012, 03:52 PM
Read where? Don't see it yet.

Ronaldo
01-16-2012, 04:21 PM
Read where? Don't see it yet.

Anthony Johnson fired from the UFC

maverick66
01-16-2012, 05:39 PM
I train UFC.

I train secret old form of ninjitsu so i could totally beat your ufc.

That fight card is pretty solid for free tv. I think Miller wins but otherwise I agree with your picks.

MarinaHighTennis
01-16-2012, 06:15 PM
I guess you can say I do MMA. I do Shaolin crane Kung Fu, Wing Chun Kung Fu, Ju Jujitsu, Judo, Hapkido, and Voviman. My favorite is Judo, Ju Jujitsu. Its fun sparring till the tap out. My specialty is Shaolin in which I learned from a monk my dad befriended in refugee camp and Hapkido where I use wrist and arm breaks frequently in sparring.

Intense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF6Jyxc16vU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftkV1jnq84

adamX012
01-16-2012, 07:12 PM
I knew a bit of Kung-Fu. Never been to late to show my level. lol. Yes, I have a belt but not black... SO, NO WORRIES and BE HAPPY.

Cheers....

maverick66
01-16-2012, 09:01 PM
I knew a bit of Kung-Fu. Never been to late to show my level. lol. Yes, I have a belt but not black... SO, NO WORRIES and BE HAPPY.

Cheers....

hmm never seen a belt in kung fu. you sure its kung fu you did?

hollywood9826
01-17-2012, 10:11 AM
He has a Belt in Rex-Kwon-Do.

Also as far as MMA KO's go this one is the most impressive Ive seen. I cant imagine getting caught with it though. But the dude that lands it acts like he does it all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKu-urmeJl8 »

And this KO is also very impressive. I mean he got caught with a caporiera (sp?) kick so the level once again aint that high. But the most impressive part of the video is at 22 seconds when his boy flips over the top roperto give the guy some props. Then his other boy at 26 seconds tries to go between the ropes and falls right on his face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcaYGC6Eloo&feature=related

GRANITECHIEF
01-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Munoz out, Bisping in. Sonnen ready to lay down some smack talk. Consecutive weekends with free cards on and this is a nice looking one.
Maincard Lt Hvywt bout: Rashad Evans vs. Phil Davis[1]
Midwt bout: Chael Sonnen vs. Michael Bisping[1]
Preliminary card (Fuel TV)Lightweight bout: Evan Dunham vs. Nik Lentz[1]
Heavyweight bout: Mike Russow vs. John-Olav Einemo[1]
Bantamweight bout: Johnny Bedford vs. Mitch Gagnon[1]
Featherweight bout: Cub Swanson vs. George Roop[1]
Featherweight bout: Charles Oliveira vs. Eric Wisely[1]
Lightweight bout: Michael Johnson vs. Shane Roller[1]
Heavyweight bout: Joey Beltran vs. Lavar Johnson[1]
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dustin Jacoby[1]

El Diablo
01-17-2012, 03:36 PM
Did you all see that bout where Camozzi rips the guy's belly open and jumps rope with his intestines? Hard core!!!

GRANITECHIEF
01-17-2012, 03:37 PM
Did you all see that bout where Camozzi rips the guys belly open and jumps rope with his intestines? Hard core!!!

Haven't seen it but it sounds fun! Got a link?

Ronaldo
01-17-2012, 03:45 PM
Munoz out, Bisping in. Sonnen ready to lay down some smack talk. Consecutive weekends with free cards on and this is a nice looking one.
Maincard Lt Hvywt bout: Rashad Evans vs. Phil Davis[1]
Midwt bout: Chael Sonnen vs. Michael Bisping[1]
Preliminary card (Fuel TV)Lightweight bout: Evan Dunham vs. Nik Lentz[1]
Heavyweight bout: Mike Russow vs. John-Olav Einemo[1]
Bantamweight bout: Johnny Bedford vs. Mitch Gagnon[1]
Featherweight bout: Cub Swanson vs. George Roop[1]
Featherweight bout: Charles Oliveira vs. Eric Wisely[1]
Lightweight bout: Michael Johnson vs. Shane Roller[1]
Heavyweight bout: Joey Beltran vs. Lavar Johnson[1]
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dustin Jacoby[1]

Guess CM Punk is too hardcore for the UFC and Chael Sonnen, eh? http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/01/13/cm-punk-wont-escort-chael-sonnen-to-octagon-at-ufc-on-fox/
No Mo MO? http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/01/17/king-mo-lawal-tests-positive-for-steroid-drostanalone/

Hot Sauce
01-18-2012, 01:45 AM
Many MMA gyms in Vancouver? Can remember Xtreme Couture

Tons! They're everywhere.

Rickson
01-18-2012, 09:40 PM
I train 52 blocks. It beats ufc, ninjutsu, and strikeforce.

Hot Sauce
01-19-2012, 01:52 AM
1st block
SKULL N' CROSSBONEZZZZZ

Ronaldo
01-19-2012, 04:36 AM
Who are these Shadowfighters? http://www.ufc.com/event/UFCFX1#/fight

GRANITECHIEF
01-19-2012, 11:03 AM
Can't wait for Sonnen v Bisping. Apparently Bisping has been working on his submission game. Love the caption below!

http://www.cagepotato.com/ufc-on-fox-2-hype-alert-michael-bisping-dares-chael-sonnen-to-take-him-down/

Ronaldo
01-19-2012, 11:10 AM
Can't wait for Sonnen v Bisping. Apparently Bisping has been working on his submission game. Love the caption below!

http://www.cagepotato.com/ufc-on-fox-2-hype-alert-michael-bisping-dares-chael-sonnen-to-take-him-down/

Thanks, the most satisfying moment in MMA, closing Bisping's hole.

hollywood9826
01-19-2012, 12:34 PM
We aint gonna see Hendo caliber KO. But I donmt know if Bisping has enough power to do any damage to Sonnen. If Bisping wins it will be by sub. Sonnen obviously by decision or maybe he gets a semi lucky rear naked or something.

canadad
01-21-2012, 03:40 PM
I can't see Bisping winning. I have actually grown to dislike Sonnen, at first I thought he was funny, but I have been soured. I don't hate Bisping like most people do.
I think this is a great card. I kind of think Phil Davis is going to beat Rashad as well.

West Coast Ace
01-21-2012, 07:05 PM
I can't see Bisping winning. I have actually grown to dislike Sonnen, at first I thought he was funny, but I have been soured. I don't hate Bisping like most people do.
I think this is a great card. I kind of think Phil Davis is going to beat Rashad as well.I concur. Sonnen will G&P Bisping. Davis will beat Rashad as long as he doesn't get impatient and walk into something. And yes, for free network TV it's very good.

Ronaldo
01-28-2012, 11:23 PM
I concur. Sonnen will G&P Bisping. Davis will beat Rashad as long as he doesn't get impatient and walk into something. And yes, for free network TV it's very good.

Sonnen decision looks like a work

canadad
01-29-2012, 08:22 AM
Sonnen decision looks like a work
I am not sure that there would be that level of corruption. However, besides the 3rd round, I thought Bisping won that fight. I can't believe one judge gave all three rounds to Sonnen, that is incompetence. 30-27 is so far off it almost seems corrupt.

Rashad looked way better than Phil Davis. Davis is going to need some work after all. I always seem to underestimate Evans.

Ronaldo
01-29-2012, 09:21 AM
I am not sure that there would be that level of corruption. However, besides the 3rd round, I thought Bisping won that fight. I can't believe one judge gave all three rounds to Sonnen, that is incompetence. 30-27 is so far off it almost seems corrupt.

Rashad looked way better than Phil Davis. Davis is going to need some work after all. I always seem to underestimate Evans.

Sonnen's rant after the fight was worthy of the WWE. His attitude seemed as suspect as the decision.

T1000
01-29-2012, 10:34 AM
Sonnen won that fight. Bisping landed more strikes, however Sonnens strikes were more effective. While Sonnen didn't do much of anything with his takedowns in the first two, Bisping couldn't get takedowns and thus leaned on the cage and also did nothing. 29-28 should have been the score on all three cards for Sonnen. 30-27 was a bad one but the right fighter won

West Coast Ace
01-29-2012, 11:23 AM
Sonnen won that fight. I concur. Sonnen's standup held its own - and he took Bisping down early and often and controlled the fight.

@Ronaldo, you mean the fix so Bisping wouldn't be penalized for his constant shorts and fence grabbing? I don't think Dana would do anything for Sonnen after the suspension - that brought a huge dark cloud to the sport.

GRANITECHIEF
01-30-2012, 09:40 AM
Not a very entertaining card. Sonnen squeaked it out, Davis didn't look good.

The UFC shoulda put Diaz v Condit on Fox. I'm psyched for that barn burner.

GRANITECHIEF
02-03-2012, 08:33 AM
Preliminary card (Facebook)
Welterweight bout: Dan Stittgen vs. Stephen Thompson[1]
Middleweight bout: Rafael Natal vs. Michael Kuiper[1]
[edit]
Preliminary card (FX)
Welterweight bout: Matthew Riddle vs. Henry Martinez[1]
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs. Chris Cope[1]
Bantamweight bout: Alex Caceres vs. Edwin Figueroa[1]
Featherweight bout: Dustin Poirier vs. Max Holloway[1]
[edit] Main cardMiddleweight bout: Ed Herman vs. Clifford Starks[1]
Bantamweight bout: Renan Barão vs. Scott Jorgensen[1]
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. Mike Pierce[1]
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Fabricio Werdum[1]
Interim Welterweight Championship bout: Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit[1]

Ronaldo
02-03-2012, 09:06 AM
Preliminary card (Facebook)
Welterweight bout: Dan Stittgen vs. Stephen Thompson[1]
Middleweight bout: Rafael Natal vs. Michael Kuiper[1]
[edit]
Preliminary card (FX)
Welterweight bout: Matthew Riddle vs. Henry Martinez[1]
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs. Chris Cope[1]
Bantamweight bout: Alex Caceres vs. Edwin Figueroa[1]
Featherweight bout: Dustin Poirier vs. Max Holloway[1]
[edit] Main cardMiddleweight bout: Ed Herman vs. Clifford Starks[1]
Bantamweight bout: Renan Barão vs. Scott Jorgensen[1]
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. Mike Pierce[1]
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Fabricio Werdum[1]
Interim Welterweight Championship bout: Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit[1]

No love for Werdum?

GRANITECHIEF
02-03-2012, 09:31 AM
Werdum is awesome, but my coin flip came up with Big Country!

Ronaldo
02-03-2012, 10:05 AM
Werdum is awesome, but my coin flip came up with Big Country!

Big Country still smack his belly like Kamala?

Rickson
02-03-2012, 12:10 PM
Rafa is in mma now? He's all over the place!

Ronaldo
02-03-2012, 06:33 PM
Rafa is in mma now? He's all over the place!

Should see Rafa's half guard pass

T1000
02-04-2012, 05:01 AM
Diaz 4th round sub armbar fight and sub of the night
Nelson 2nd round ko
Koscheck 1st round ko knockout of the night
Barao unanimous decision
Starks split decision

Not really familiar with the undercard fighters so not even going to attempt that

canadad
02-04-2012, 09:13 AM
Preliminary card (Facebook)
[edit] Main cardMiddleweight bout: Ed Herman vs. Clifford Starks[1]
Bantamweight bout: Renan Barão vs. Scott Jorgensen[1]
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. Mike Pierce[1]
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Fabricio Werdum[1]
Interim Welterweight Championship bout: Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit[1]

I can agree with all these. The only one I am the fairly certain of is Kosheck, but who knows. Koschek will be fired up after being disrespected at the weigh-ins. He is bigger and he will crush Pierce.
Nelson looks fitter, but his endurance has been suspect.
Condit is by far the best opponent Diaz has seen in a long time. Last fight, he faced a different, less hungry, and smaller B.J. Penn. He was able to wear him down with his size advantage. Daley, Noons and Santos are all good but are not elite welterweights. I think Diaz will take it, but Condit has a good chance.

Rickson
02-04-2012, 11:29 AM
Condit can definitely beat Diaz and Fat Roy Nelson will definitely lose to Fabricio Werdum.

Hot Sauce
02-04-2012, 02:01 PM
Diaz, Werdum, Kos, Barao.

DIAZ VIA SUPERIOR BOXING TKO EZ WORK.

WAR 209!!!

jedd
02-04-2012, 03:14 PM
Condit can definitely beat Diaz and Fat Roy Nelson will definitely lose to Fabricio Werdum.

:shock::shock:

GRANITECHIEF
02-04-2012, 03:17 PM
Great head kick KO by the young up and comer Thompson. Bricked that pick, hahaha.

A few prelims live on Facebook now.

GRANITECHIEF
02-04-2012, 03:54 PM
Rafa Natal almost finishes with an arm triangle, and he gets the unanimous decision.

T1000
02-04-2012, 09:05 PM
Diaz won that fight no question. How can you win if you run away the entire time and only throw leg kicks that don't do anything? Natural born killer my *****

Rickson
02-04-2012, 09:07 PM
No need for a look of shock, I was right. Condit and Werdum both won.

GRANITECHIEF
02-04-2012, 10:03 PM
I had Condit ahead by a slight point margin, kinda like he won 3/5 tiebreaks. Diaz came closest to finishing the fight when he got backmount and worked for choke/arm bar in the 5th, but otherwise, he didn't let his combos go quite enough. Condit with great lateral movements and leg kicks squeaked it out.

Rickson
02-04-2012, 11:07 PM
I usually call em right. I can guarantee you that Condit will lose to GSP when they merge the titles. GSP will win by decision as Carlos has a bad habit of running away from good fighters.

The Wreck
02-04-2012, 11:19 PM
Diaz is such a punk. Threaten to quit after you get pounded on for 25 minutes. No way he carries through with that. And while it was a close fight, he very clearly lost, in my opinion. His face definitely lost anyway.

West Coast Ace
02-05-2012, 11:14 AM
Diaz is such a punk. Threaten to quit after you get pounded on for 25 minutes.+1. Close fight but he should realize leg kicks count - it is called Mixed Martial Arts after all. His fault he couldn't come up with a Plan B.

TennisLovaLova
02-05-2012, 11:23 AM
I think Fedor is the federer of mma. Vanderlei is Safin or Rafa and Shogun is Djoko.
Anderson Silva could be... Cant think of anyone actually :-)

What's your opinion?

T1000
02-05-2012, 11:50 AM
Diaz is such a punk. Threaten to quit after you get pounded on for 25 minutes. No way he carries through with that. And while it was a close fight, he very clearly lost, in my opinion. His face definitely lost anyway.

No just no. Diaz clearly won rounds 1, 2, and 5. He hit Condit with more head and body shots not baby leg kicks. 5th he got the takedown, took his back, and should've subbed him but wasted time going for the rear naked instead of the arm. Condit won the 4th and the 3rd is a tossup

+1. Close fight but he should realize leg kicks count - it is called Mixed Martial Arts after all. His fault he couldn't come up with a Plan B.

Tell that to Shogun in his first fight against Machida

TennisLovaLova
02-05-2012, 01:55 PM
Didnt shogun Ko machida In the next fight?

Hot Sauce
02-06-2012, 11:49 AM
I gave it 3 rounds to 2 for Condit. He robbed the fans of what should have been an exciting fight, though. He calls himself a warrior because of how he fights, then he comes in with a gameplan to win on points and never looking to finish the fight.

GRANITECHIEF
02-07-2012, 09:44 AM
^^^ Exactly, very dissappointing, stick and move, stick and move and evade. Good strategy but not very fun to watch.

Nick should've made the adjustment to cut off the lateral movement better, turn it into more of a brawl, and more ground work. But he didn't, now he's either out or down the line.

hollywood9826
02-09-2012, 10:42 AM
Condit said he would agree to a rematch

Cesar Gracie said nick will not.

T1000
02-09-2012, 12:18 PM
Diaz tested positive for weed again, that's why the rematch is off. Gracie said there is an "issue" and the NSAC said someone from 143 tested positive for a banned substance, just put 2 and 2 together. Good job Nick, keep smoking joints to mess up your career.

maverick66
02-09-2012, 04:16 PM
I gave it 3 rounds to 2 for Condit. He robbed the fans of what should have been an exciting fight, though. He calls himself a warrior because of how he fights, then he comes in with a gameplan to win on points and never looking to finish the fight.

In all fairness it was smart. Diaz just wants to stand and throw punches in volume and when guys dont do that he looks ****ed off. MMA and street fighting are two different things and Diaz doesnt seem to get that. I think he is a tough fighter but not a smart one at all and Condit made the right call on how to win that fight.

Its not great for the UFC to have decision hunters at all but at the end of the day this is a sport and winning is everything.

hollywood9826
02-10-2012, 07:15 AM
In all fairness it was smart. Diaz just wants to stand and throw punches in volume and when guys dont do that he looks ****ed off. MMA and street fighting are two different things and Diaz doesnt seem to get that. I think he is a tough fighter but not a smart one at all and Condit made the right call on how to win that fight.

Its not great for the UFC to have decision hunters at all but at the end of the day this is a sport and winning is everything.

I agree.

And after watching that I have no desire to see Diaz face GSP. GSP would just copy condit except he would make it look easier.

maverick66
02-10-2012, 09:05 AM
I agree.

And after watching that I have no desire to see Diaz face GSP. GSP would just copy condit except he would make it look easier.

Not sure how good Condit is gonna do either but i think he will have the better shot. Diaz got overhyped because he is a pot smoking bad boy and the teenage boys get behind him. I wouldnt consider him a top WW at all at this point and question how he would do against the wrestlers at 170. I think Koscheck, Fitch, and a few others out point him because they wont stand in front of him and try to throw punches. I also think Alves would beat him. His striking to me seems more explosive and much more dangerous than Diaz.

With that said not sure how condit wins over GSP. Its a fight so it can happen but GSP is just so complete that he could almost pick how he wins the fight. I just hope he doesnt aim for 5 rounds of lay and pray like he seems to be enjoying lately.

hollywood9826
02-10-2012, 09:30 AM
I never been a huge fan of Diaz.

I was kinda hoping they would have made the boxing match he threatened to do becuase UFC wasnt paying him any money. Which will probably be 40% less money after NSAC penlizes him. Anyway I was hoping he was gonna box becuase as though he is a good boxer in MMA he sucks as an actual boxer liek all thsoe MMA guys do.

The HWs have a chance becuase the KO power, but they are not boxers. Randy Couture was smart and didnt want to get clipped by Toney.

Tim sylvia was not smart and got blasted.

MMA guys cant box with boxers.

Just like Boxers cant MMA with MMA guys.

hollywood9826
02-10-2012, 09:32 AM
Also,

I expect a 5rd GSP decision against Condit. GSP dont take chances anymore. He will do evrything in his power to prevent another Serra situation.

GRANITECHIEF
02-15-2012, 02:21 PM
Ya that is going to be a strategy fest where the best dancer will win on points.

Decent free card on Fuel this eve.

Preliminary card (Facebook)
Lightweight bout: Tim Means vs. Bernardo Magalhaes[1]
Lightweight bout: Anton Kuivanen vs. Justin Salas[1]
Middleweight bout: Buddy Roberts vs. Sean Loeffler[1]
Featherweight bout: Jonathan Brookins vs. Vagner Rocha[1]
[edit] Main cardBantamweight bout: Ivan Menjivar vs. John Albert[1]
Bantamweight bout: T.J. Dillashaw vs. Walel Watson[1]
Heavyweight bout: Stipe Miocic vs. Philip De Fries[1]
Middleweight bout: Aaron Simpson vs. Ronny Markes[1]
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Dave Herman[1]
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Jake Ellenberger[1]

T1000
02-15-2012, 07:06 PM
Awesome main event, wish it was 5 instead of 3. Jake was gassing so Diego probably would've finished him if it went longer. Also should've been aggressive from the start, Jake was way too cocky for his abilities. Aw well, neither him nor Condit are beating GSP anyways

Ronaldo
02-26-2012, 04:35 AM
Anyone watch UFC 144?

T1000
02-26-2012, 01:16 PM
Yea man. Showtime destroying j-lo wasn't a surprise to me at all. Everyone calling it fight of the year potential was crazy to me, j-lo's overrated. He beat a nobody then subbed Guillard who gets subbed by bjj white belts

Hioki was good but Aldo will destroy him, won't even be a good fight.

I thought Akiyama could've gotten his decision. He did more damage, Jake just threw pillow punches. Either way that fight sucked.

Okami should've finished it in the 2nd. He had an armbar but let it go for gnp, which failed him. We all saw what happened next, epic comeback.

Hunt showed how weak Kongo's chin is again and his post fight interview brought the lulz.

Rampage coming out to Pride was epic and made me believe he was going to destroy Bader. Rampage didn't even seem interested in the fight except for the slam. He'll retire soon, his heart isn't in the sport anymore.

I could've seen the title fight going either way but I had Bendo winning 4-1. Frankie only really won the first imo, Bendo did more damage and attacked more in the last four. Either way great fight and hope they do it again someday

Ronaldo
02-26-2012, 02:28 PM
Rampage 5# over at the weigh-in made Bader question whether Jackson took the fight seriously.

GRANITECHIEF
02-27-2012, 11:21 AM
Pretty good card and new LW champ Bendo!! Dude won for sure and looked like he coulda gone a few more rounds.

Rampage didn't do much except 1 good slam.
Hunt was a beast, Kongo can't take a punch.
Shields>Akiyama, not a great fight, basic decision.
Tim Boetsch come back KO was awesome!

Thats all i saw cuz i was on the court!
Bring on MMA babes Rousey vs Tate !

T1000
02-29-2012, 08:54 AM
Two cards on Friday and Strikeforce has some guys I'm actually interested in fighting on it.

UFC on FX
Alves def Kampmann via 2nd round ko
Benavidez def Urushitani via decision
Johnson def McCall via sudden victory (lol would be cool to see that) more likely 1st round ko
Not really familiar with the other fighters besides Rosa, will still watch the fights for entertainment

Strikeforce
Rousey def Tate via decision if this goes to one then everyone wins lol
Daley def Misaki via 3rd round ko
Noons def Thompson via decision
Smith def Sayers via 2nd round ko

Ryan Couture is also on the card, haven't seen him fight yet. Can't wait to see Noons back in action and hope he wins so he and Melendez fight. After that Melendez should go to the UFC since no one else can compete with him. Hopefully Noons gets a UFC contract too so he and Diaz (when his dumbass comes back from suspension) can make it a trilogy.

GRANITECHIEF
03-02-2012, 03:04 PM
Roooooooowwwsey

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_ronda_rousey_strikeforce_miesha_tate_030112

Ronaldo
03-02-2012, 03:13 PM
Roooooooowwwsey

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_ronda_rousey_strikeforce_miesha_tate_030112

Help Me Rhonda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eci_rVr9m6s

T1000
03-03-2012, 02:17 PM
Flyweight fights were fun but kind of laughable since they're so small. Wish they would go back to the old weight classes
Heavy 205 and up
Middle 183-205
Welter 161-183
Light 161 and down

Pumped for tonights fights though, pretty solid card for another organization outside the UFC

Ronaldo
03-03-2012, 05:29 PM
Flyweight fights were fun but kind of laughable since they're so small. Wish they would go back to the old weight classes
Heavy 205 and up
Middle 183-205
Welter 161-183
Light 161 and down

Pumped for tonights fights though, pretty solid card for another organization outside the UFC

Glad MMA is still a part of the Arnold Fitness Weekend, http://www.flexonline.com/news/contests/yaxeni-oriquen-pre-judging-60-second-arnold-prejudging

canadad
03-03-2012, 06:06 PM
Flyweight fights were fun but kind of laughable since they're so small. Wish they would go back to the old weight classes
Heavy 205 and up
Middle 183-205
Welter 161-183
Light 161 and down

Pumped for tonights fights though, pretty solid card for another organization outside the UFC

I like the current weight classes, with the exception of the heavyweights. I think there should be a be weight class from 230 up. Cruser weights or super heavyweights, etc. The gap between a small heavyweight and a large on is very large.

maverick66
03-03-2012, 06:28 PM
I like the current weight classes, with the exception of the heavyweights. I think there should be a be weight class from 230 up. Curser weights or super heavyweights, etc. The gap between a small heavyweight and a large on is very large.

I dont like the 15 lb weight jumps or the 20 lb between 185 to 205. if they got it to ten lbs I would like it more. I know it doesnt sound like much but having a 160 for guys like Sanchez and Penn would really make them much more competitive. As of now they are to small for 170 and the cut 155 is to much.

Hot Sauce
03-03-2012, 08:21 PM
Rowdy Ronda Rousey!

T1000
03-04-2012, 08:03 AM
Daley forgot how to fight, wtf was he doing going for 7 takedowns? It was laughable that that was even a split decision, he clearly lost.

Noons-Thompson sucked. KJ forgot the basics of scrambling to get up and Thompson just laid and prayed. Hilarious when he admitted it in the post fight interview.

Smith ran into that choke. That fight looked fixed, and it wasn't even that tough to get out of. Don't know wtf happened there.

Jacare showed some sick bjj, still was against a new comer so idk how to judge his form against that.

I hate women's sports and think they're pathetic since the skill level is so much below mens. That being said the grappling was sick last night. So happy Rhonda won (Diaz fan here) so watching her pretty much break Tate's arm was sick. Tate's a warrior though, most men would've tapped on the first and def on the second.

maverick66
03-04-2012, 09:39 AM
I hate women's sports and think they're pathetic since the skill level is so much below mens. That being said the grappling was sick last night. So happy Rhonda won (Diaz fan here) so watching her pretty much break Tate's arm was sick. Tate's a warrior though, most men would've tapped on the first and def on the second.

the not tapping was dumb to me. she was not getting out of that it was on really tight so not tapping just cost here a few months of training waiting to heal. I love Rousey saying she didnt care that she broke it. I agree tap out and it wont get cranked. I really dont think it makes you a warrior as much as foolishly thinking you can power your way out of a secured in hold.

Hot Sauce
03-04-2012, 09:18 PM
I'm a fan of WMMA after that fight. I was strangely hyped for Tate/Rousey, and now I'm looking forward to Kauffman/Rousey.

hollywood9826
03-05-2012, 05:38 AM
the not tapping was dumb to me. she was not getting out of that it was on really tight so not tapping just cost here a few months of training waiting to heal. I love Rousey saying she didnt care that she broke it. I agree tap out and it wont get cranked. I really dont think it makes you a warrior as much as foolishly thinking you can power your way out of a secured in hold.

Tim Sylvia learned the hard way as well. He was never the same after Mir snapped that arm IMO.

maverick66
03-05-2012, 09:19 AM
I'm a fan of WMMA after that fight. I was strangely hyped for Tate/Rousey, and now I'm looking forward to Kauffman/Rousey.

WMMA just has no depth so there is only a small group of women that can actually fight at a decent level. Maybe that will change as the sport grows but I doubt it.

Tim Sylvia learned the hard way as well. He was never the same after Mir snapped that arm IMO.

Tapping is done for a reason. Careers end on those breaks. I give her credit for wanting to win badly but she might have just lost her career depending how bad it is.

hollywood9826
03-05-2012, 11:34 AM
Maybe Rousey will have some more sucess and get the Female Judo worl to switch over to MMA after the olympic paths or done.

She is pretty much laying the foundation.

Fate Archer
03-05-2012, 04:11 PM
Hmm, seems like I have some good fights to catch up. Canceled my subscription to pay-per-view a couple weeks ago, but I wish I could see Diaz vs Condit and Benzo vs Frankie.

I like Benzo's smooth style, the guy is a great athlete and one of the best fighters to transit from WEC to the UFC, glad that he won the lightweight belt, though at the expense of Frankie after his epic comeback against Maynard.

@T1000: Is "showtime" Anthony Pettis? Seems like I will have to pick that one too.

Some great fights that I missed this year, add in the Diaz bro vs "The Cowboy" Cerrone.

Will try to tune in for the next big events, Nate Diaz vs Miller looks promising, Kosheck and Palhares in the card as well.

Edit: Was checking Sherdog.com. they changed their website from the last time I visited. Seems like there is a event in Sweeden with little Nogueira even before and after this one Rashad will finally get his title shot against Jon Jones in the next event on april.

Jon Jones scared the ***** out of me when he downed Lyoto, so I will go with Rashad on this one... if Rashad can't stop Jones, I think he will be up for a long period of dominance at light heavyweight, just like GSP and Silva on weltherweight and middleweight.

GRANITECHIEF
03-06-2012, 10:29 AM
Rousey is good at getting ready for Weigh ins:

http://cdn2.cagepotato.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/RondaRousey_weighin.gif

And good at arm bars:

http://youtu.be/nl1yrrUOWnw

Next up:
Bellator every weekend: meh, hit or miss on good fights athough Pat Curran is da bomb.

4/14 UFC on Fuel 2: Lil Nog v Gustafsson, Stann v Sakara. Free cards are nice.

4/21 UFC 145 Jones v Evans: Oh yeah!!

JohnnyCracker
03-07-2012, 11:25 AM
OUCH!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZVQyBaIRWzs

Shangri La
05-03-2012, 04:45 PM
Has Alistair Overeem fought Brock Lesnar before last years UFC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hL1rVPzbM0#t=03m23s thats Brock Lesnar no?

JohnnyCracker
05-03-2012, 05:33 PM
Lesnar has fought only in UFC. Nowhere else.
That's back in the day in Pride FC and that's the Russian Sergei Kharitonov, who knocked out Overeem in the rematch in 2007 (IIRC)


http://i.imgur.com/Q0FCy.gif

canadad
05-03-2012, 07:05 PM
UFC on Fox 3
Who do you got?
Jim Miller vs. Nate Diaz - Miller
Josh Koscheck vs. Johny Hendricks- Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar- Rousimar
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson- Johnson

Shangri La
05-03-2012, 08:29 PM
Lesnar has fought only in UFC. Nowhere else.
That's back in the day in Pride FC and that's the Russian Sergei Kharitonov, who knocked out Overeem in the rematch in 2007 (IIRC)



Right, forgot Lesnar never fought outside UFC. Man, you're pretty hardcore... Was looking forward to the Overeem Dos Santos fight, but guy got caught..

canadad
05-03-2012, 08:45 PM
Right, forgot Lesnar never fought outside UFC. Man, you're pretty hardcore... Was looking forward to the Overeem Dos Santos fight, but guy got caught..

His first fight was outside the UFC.

Pitmiksovic
05-03-2012, 08:55 PM
Lesnar has fought only in UFC. Nowhere else.
That's back in the day in Pride FC and that's the Russian Sergei Kharitonov, who knocked out Overeem in the rematch in 2007 (IIRC)


http://i.imgur.com/Q0FCy.gif

Wrong clip? That's not Pride, That's an octagon. That's Rothwell vs Shaub from the last UFC.

Kharitonov vs Overeem @ K-1 Heroes, knockout just past 4:20 in the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa6Fdfu8oY

Shangri La
05-03-2012, 08:59 PM
His first fight was outside the UFC.

Oh.. you mean against the Korean guy..

Shangri La
05-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Wrong clip? That's not Pride, That's an octagon. That's Rothwell vs Shaub from the last UFC.

Kharitonov vs Overeem @ K-1 Heroes, knockout just past 4:20 in the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa6Fdfu8oY

Man.. some of Overeem's knee kicks are a lot like Muay Thai, especailly the flying ones. Amazing athleticism from a 260-pound guy.

OMFG --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bazoelZliSg , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjZegbUxZo

codyjames14
05-03-2012, 10:37 PM
UFC on Fox 3
Who do you got?
Jim Miller vs. Nate Diaz - Miller
Josh Koscheck vs. Johny Hendricks- Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar- Rousimar
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson- Johnson

I agree with all of these, although I hope Koshcheck loses. He is such a *****.

A couple years back I actually met Jim Miller's childhood best friend (heck of a nice guy by the way). He told me how laid back he and his brother were growing up and how they haven't changed when he sees them today. Apparently they haven't let there growing fame get to their heads which is why I ALWAYS root for them now :-P

JohnnyCracker
05-04-2012, 12:32 AM
Wrong clip? That's not Pride, That's an octagon. That's Rothwell vs Shaub from the last UFC.

Kharitonov vs Overeem @ K-1 Heroes, knockout just past 4:20 in the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa6Fdfu8oY

come on dude, everyone knows that's Rothwell-Schaub in that gif, not overeem-kharitonov :) I mean, do you see a black guy in there beside Herb Dean? Just watch the butterflies. :lol:

you need to look at the clip Shangri-La asked about
and yes, the clip you posted is the rematch where Kharitonov KO Overeem as I mentioned

JohnnyCracker
05-04-2012, 12:49 AM
Right, forgot Lesnar never fought outside UFC. Man, you're pretty hardcore... Was looking forward to the Overeem Dos Santos fight, but guy got caught..

the whole thing with testosterone is a bunch of BS
all you gotta do is get a doctor note and it's legal
Dan Henderson, Rampage, Marquardt, Sonnen just to name a few are doing it.
Pretty soon they'll all have doctor's notes.
what does it tell you when a guy in his 20s or 30s on testosterone replacement therapy? it's BS.

Doctor note or not they should ban it, period. If you're on testosterone replacement therapy, you cannot fight.
But if one guy can legally use it because he got a doctor note, then make it legal for all to use it. Make it a level playing field.

hollywood9826
05-04-2012, 03:15 AM
I know Henderson and Rampage have never failed a test though.

The testosterone is to replace what the body wont naturally produce. If TRT is done properly like Dan Henderson does it then there is no issue.

T1000
05-04-2012, 07:04 AM
Jim Miller vs. Nate Diaz - Diaz, he's better everywhere
Josh Koscheck vs. Johny Hendricks- Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar- Rousimar by knee bar
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson- Barry, just a striker v striker match and Barry's better there

r2473
05-04-2012, 07:52 AM
Strange. I really enjoy watching college / olympic wrestling and boxing but really don't care for MMA.

GRANITECHIEF
05-04-2012, 08:42 AM
Jim Miller vs. Nate Diaz - Diaz, he's better everywhere
Josh Koscheck vs. Johny Hendricks- Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar- Rousimar by knee bar
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson- Barry, just a striker v striker match and Barry's better there

I agree with these picks.

r2, this event would be a good one in case you want to give it another chance.

maverick66
05-04-2012, 09:15 AM
Strange. I really enjoy watching college / olympic wrestling and boxing but really don't care for MMA.

I find that funny seems I have kinda lost a little interest in MMA because of the wrestlers. I dont enjoy lay and pray at all.

hollywood9826
05-04-2012, 09:40 AM
I find that funny seems I have kinda lost a little interest in MMA because of the wrestlers. I dont enjoy lay and pray at all.

Agree.

It even seems with boxing and MMA are going the same way. Guys are too scared to take a chance and get KO'd. In boxing they throw jabs and hopeless haymakers. in MMA they just take a guy down and lay on him. They actually lay on the guy more than do in an actual real wrestling match it seems.

Ronaldo
05-04-2012, 10:07 AM
Agree.

It even seems with boxing and MMA are going the same way. Guys are too scared to take a chance and get KO'd. In boxing they throw jabs and hopeless haymakers. in MMA they just take a guy down and lay on him. They actually lay on the guy more than do in an actual real wrestling match it seems.

Wish K-1 matches would return but look at the havoc, injuries, caused by all the KOs.

mikeler
05-04-2012, 10:14 AM
The lay and pray is so annoying.

Ronaldo
05-04-2012, 10:16 AM
The lay and pray is so annoying.

Could be worse, one round and no time limit.

maverick66
05-04-2012, 11:03 AM
Wish K-1 matches would return but look at the havoc, injuries, caused by all the KOs.

K-1 is returning. The guys that own the Its Showtime promotions bought it. So its coming back and I am pretty positive it will be on HDNet.

Ronaldo
05-04-2012, 12:25 PM
K-1 is returning. The guys that own the Its Showtime promotions bought it. So its coming back and I am pretty positive it will be on HDNet.

Alister Overeem may be back in K-1 too. Not by choice

Btw, the Bellator card looks great tonight. Ryan Ford and Michael Chandler are on the card.

GRANITECHIEF
05-04-2012, 04:17 PM
Don't think there will be much lay n pray at UFC on Fox 3, certainly not from Diaz. If he's on the ground he's going for submissions. Pat Barry and Lavar are going to be throwing bombs, huge ones. Koschek hasn't been doing much wrestling in his recent fights and his opponent just scored an 11 second KO over a top 5 WW. If Palhares is on the ground, that means he's close to ripping off a limb. So ya, not much lay/pray.

ITS TIIIIIIIMMMMMMMEEEEEEE!!!!!

Pitmiksovic
05-04-2012, 08:06 PM
come on dude, everyone knows that's Rothwell-Schaub in that gif, not overeem-kharitonov :) I mean, do you see a black guy in there beside Herb Dean? Just watch the butterflies. :lol:

you need to look at the clip Shangri-La asked about
and yes, the clip you posted is the rematch where Kharitonov KO Overeem as I mentioned

Yeah, you're post makes a lot more sense after watching the vid :)

I didn't actually see Rothwell-Shaub, took me a minute.

Great couple of fights between Reem and Sergei though, maybe we'll get a 3rd in the future? Hope so.

Pitmiksovic
05-04-2012, 08:10 PM
Don't think there will be much lay n pray at UFC on Fox 3, certainly not from Diaz. If he's on the ground he's going for submissions. Pat Barry and Lavar are going to be throwing bombs, huge ones. Koschek hasn't been doing much wrestling in his recent fights and his opponent just scored an 11 second KO over a top 5 WW. If Palhares is on the ground, that means he's close to ripping off a limb. So ya, not much lay/pray.

ITS TIIIIIIIMMMMMMMEEEEEEE!!!!!

Yeah, its gonna be a kick *** show, better than the last PPV and its free.

T1000
05-06-2012, 07:57 AM
Barry showing his lack of focus and not taking advantage of the mount. Should've finished it there but instead took 40 bombs to the head and lost.

Belcher surprised me. I was wondering wtf he was doing playing a sub game with Palhares. He out grappled him (I was going crazy the entire time) and Palhares had no idea what to do when he was mounted. Is it me or everytime someone from ADCC gets put on their back they think the other guy is gonna go for subs and not drop elbows on their head? Palhares looked surprised when Belcher went to gnp instead of subs.

I thought Kos won rounds 1 and 3. He def won 3 but I can't see how he didn't win the first. Was an entertaining fight nonetheless.

DIAAAAAAZZZZZZZ!!!!!! So happy he won. He looks so much better everytime he fights. If he fights Pettis I see him winning that easily and I can see him being the first guy to sub Bendo. I never thought I'd say this but I can see Nate being the better Diaz brother. He's in a tougher division and just seems more focused. I def think Nick is way more talented and skilled but no where near as focus or mentally tough after a loss like Nate is.

GRANITECHIEF
05-15-2012, 03:18 PM
Live Event on now: UFC on Fuel 3

http://www.fuel.tv/ufc/events/jung-vs-poirier/

T1000
05-15-2012, 04:42 PM
Decent card, gonna watch the fights when I get back from the gym at 10. Can't wait for the strikeforce card this weekend. Gil v Thompson and Barnett v Cormier. Then the HW UFC card the weekend after. Gonna be a fun two weeks of fighting!

JohnnyCracker
05-19-2012, 01:59 PM
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Dedans Penthouse
05-20-2012, 04:31 PM
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T1000
05-20-2012, 05:24 PM
Kyle cries for a title shot and gets subbed in the first min, what a joke.

Awesome co-main event, should've been the main event. Thought Thomson won the 1st, 4th, and 5th. Could see it going either way though. Hopefully they have a 4th if Gil stays since there's no one else besides KJ.

Cormier is gonna be a legit contender in the UFC. Completely in control the entire fight. Really want to see him fight Cain.

Hot Sauce
05-21-2012, 01:30 AM
Black Fedor is sick! Totally surprised me, I thought Barnett's experience was going to give him the edge. Cormier is a monster.

Ronaldo
05-21-2012, 09:08 AM
Black Fedor is sick! Totally surprised me, I thought Barnett's experience was going to give him the edge. Cormier is a monster.

These guys fight so seldom, who knows what performance we will see. Makes Hendo look like Superman.

GRANITECHIEF
05-21-2012, 01:41 PM
Cormier is da bomb, I think i'll refer to him as "BroCop". Great fight.

I thought Thompson should've gotten the desision. Great fight.

Big Heavy Weight UFC weekend coming up! Who ya got!

Heavyweight Championship bout:
Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Frank Mir[1]
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Silva[1]
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Dave Herman[1]
Heavyweight bout: Shane del Rosario vs. Stipe Miočić[1]
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Lavar Johnson[1]

West Coast Ace
05-22-2012, 03:45 PM
I sure hope JDS beats up that big mouth Mir.

On a related note, I happened to catch a few minutes of Jim Rome Monday. He had his annual Smack Off (that's Rome-speak for trash talking) on Friday - guess who won? Chael Sonnen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msB0ehokGtM

Loose Cannon
05-22-2012, 03:55 PM
Cormier is da bomb, I think i'll refer to him as "BroCop". Great fight.

I thought Thompson should've gotten the desision. Great fight.

Big Heavy Weight UFC weekend coming up! Who ya got!

Heavyweight Championship bout:
Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Frank Mir[1]
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Silva[1]
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Dave Herman[1]
Heavyweight bout: Shane del Rosario vs. Stipe Miočić[1]
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Lavar Johnson[1]

This card has fallen a LONG way from its original line up

Ronaldo
05-23-2012, 06:10 AM
I sure hope JDS beats up that big mouth Mir.

On a related note, I happened to catch a few minutes of Jim Rome Monday. He had his annual Smack Off (that's Rome-speak for trash talking) on Friday - guess who won? Chael Sonnen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msB0ehokGtM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEM_mfuAF4A

T1000
05-24-2012, 02:06 PM
Heavyweight Championship bout:
Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Frank Mir - Mir by sub
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Silva - Cain by ko
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Dave Herman - Nelson by ko
Heavyweight bout: Shane del Rosario vs. Stipe Miočić - Miocic by decision
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Lavar Johnson - Johnson by ko

Not so sure on the Mir choice but I see him pulling it off for some reason.

The original card was sick, this one's good but damn I miss Hunt, JDS v Reem, Cain v Mir etc.

Hot Sauce
05-24-2012, 09:48 PM
I like GraniteChief's picks, but I haven't seen enough of Stipe to comment on that bout.

Rickson
05-25-2012, 04:36 PM
JDS beats Mir by knockout, Antonio Silva knocks out Cain Velasquez, Dave Herman knocks out Roy Nelson.

Hot Sauce
05-25-2012, 05:14 PM
JDS beats Mir by knockout, Antonio Silva knocks out Cain Velasquez, Dave Herman knocks out Roy Nelson.

I was just gonna say, for some reason I'm getting a feeling that Bigfoot might be able to pull off the upset. By KO? I'm not sure, but I think he might beat Cain.

Rickson
05-25-2012, 11:30 PM
Have I been wrong yet on mma predictions?

canadad
05-25-2012, 11:33 PM
Heavyweight Championship bout:
Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Frank Mir - Mir by sub
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Silva - Cain by ko
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Dave Herman - Nelson by ko
Heavyweight bout: Shane del Rosario vs. Stipe Miočić - Miocic by decision
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Lavar Johnson - Johnson by ko



Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Frank Mir - JDS by KO
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Silva - Cain by ko
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Dave Herman - Nelson by TKO
Heavyweight bout: Shane del Rosario vs. Stipe Miočić - Miocic by decision
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Lavar Johnson - Johnson by ko

Hot Sauce
05-26-2012, 01:11 AM
Have I been wrong yet on mma predictions?

Probably. I don't remember.

West Coast Ace
05-26-2012, 07:05 AM
Not so sure on the Mir choice but I see him pulling it off for some reason.
You should be up here in Vegas - JDS is a heavy favorite. I think it was 5 to 1.

I can't see Mir getting close enough to JDS to take him down. If anything he'll end up over committing and getting taken down and then receive a nasty GnP. Mir can beat all the old guys but doesn't seem fast enough to hang with the young guys.

West Coast Ace
05-26-2012, 07:14 AM
Not so sure on the Mir choice but I see him pulling it off for some reason.
You should be up here in Vegas - JDS is a heavy favorite. I think it was 5 to 1.

Saw Lavar Johnson on The Strip - guy is huge.

I can't see Mir getting close enough to JDS to take him down. If anything he'll end up over committing and getting taken down and then receive a nasty GnP. Mir can beat all the old guys but doesn't seem fast enough to hang with the young guys.

Rickson
05-26-2012, 12:19 PM
Shoot me an email, sauce. I have news for you.

Ronaldo
05-26-2012, 12:44 PM
Suspect JDS administers a Brazilian Buttlift to Mir's jaw tonite.

Rickson
05-26-2012, 12:54 PM
Dave Herman will pull off the upset. Roy needs to get rid of that huge belly.

Fearsome Forehand
05-26-2012, 01:48 PM
Has anyone ever been killed in one of these events? Really brutal sport that makes boxing look like a girl's game.

adventure
05-26-2012, 03:49 PM
MMA is many times "safer" than boxing or football.

Fights are stopped immediately when one combatant cannot continue. Also, the small gloves tend to leave a lot of superficial damage.

In boxing, it is not unusual for fighters to continue in the fight after 1, 2 or even 3 concussions. In addition, boxing strikes are concentrated to the head--not so in mma.

Also, sports commissions usually suspend mma fighters for long periods after any injury, further protecting the fighter.

Take a listen to any of the top names in mma in their late 30's and 40's. They are well spoken and retain full use of their faculties. Boxers at a similar age, and football players show obvious even severe signs of head injuries.

Ronaldo
05-26-2012, 07:20 PM
Has anyone ever been killed in one of these events? Really brutal sport that makes boxing look like a girl's game.

Remember the purpose of combatives training. Forced compliance or win by non-lethal force.

mikeler
05-26-2012, 07:25 PM
Caught one of the prelims tonight between 2 small guys. I love watching the smaller fighters. They are so much more active than the bigger guys.

Fate Archer
05-28-2012, 03:21 PM
Dos Santos GOATed Mir with his boxing. Best boxing in the heavy weight division and possibly the whole UFC.

Amazing the kinds of angles he was hitting and how he mixes body shots on his punches. His uppercut in particular is fantastic, you never see it coming, such is the disguise, and if it lands you can almost expect the opponent to the slippery fish once before it's all over.

Dos Santos vs Jon Jones

Make it happen.

The Wreck
05-28-2012, 06:36 PM
Dos Santos GOATed Mir with his boxing. Best boxing in the heavy weight division and possibly the whole UFC.

Amazing the kinds of angles he was hitting and how he mixes body shots on his punches. His uppercut in particular is fantastic, you never see it coming, such is the disguise, and if it lands you can almost expect the opponent to the slippery fish once before it's all over.

Dos Santos vs Jon Jones

Make it happen.

Meh. Let Jones fight Hendo and Dos Santos fight Overeem and then maybe we can start talking about that.

hollywood9826
05-29-2012, 03:32 AM
Dave Herman will pull off the upset. Roy needs to get rid of that huge belly.

Yea but that mullet/beard combo is one for the ages

http://www.5thround.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/UFCRoyNelson.gif

Dos Santos GOATed Mir with his boxing. Best boxing in the heavy weight division and possibly the whole UFC.

Amazing the kinds of angles he was hitting and how he mixes body shots on his punches. His uppercut in particular is fantastic, you never see it coming, such is the disguise, and if it lands you can almost expect the opponent to the slippery fish once before it's all over.

Dos Santos vs Jon Jones

Make it happen.

Mir makes makes every heavy weight look they can strike like Lennox Lewis. He had people thinking Brock had greatly improved his stand up.

Meh. Let Jones fight Hendo and Dos Santos fight Overeem and then maybe we can start talking about that.

Agree

Rickson
05-29-2012, 04:00 AM
I was wrong about the other bouts, but not the main event. Junior did not disappoint.

Fearsome Forehand
05-31-2012, 11:30 AM
MMA is many times "safer" than boxing or football.

Fights are stopped immediately when one combatant cannot continue. Also, the small gloves tend to leave a lot of superficial damage.

In boxing, it is not unusual for fighters to continue in the fight after 1, 2 or even 3 concussions. In addition, boxing strikes are concentrated to the head--not so in mma.

Also, sports commissions usually suspend mma fighters for long periods after any injury, further protecting the fighter.

Take a listen to any of the top names in mma in their late 30's and 40's. They are well spoken and retain full use of their faculties. Boxers at a similar age, and football players show obvious even severe signs of head injuries.



According to the Wiki page, there have been a couple of deaths related to MMA fights and there was an article earlier this week that mentioned another death.

If 3 is it, that is a very good safety record compared to the other violence sports. Boxing, football, etc.

If seems like most of the head trauma victims don't really start to show signs until later in life, their 50's 60's 70's. Given all the problems with old boxers, I am surprised it is still a legal sport. But, if they made it illegal, it would just go underground so no point in doing so.

I watch those matches for a few minutes and besides thinking all these guys must be psycho to volunteer for such duty, it also sort of grosses me out. But the same is true of amateur wrestling.

One of my best friends from high school owns/runs a karate school. World's nicest guy but I imagine he could kill me with his bare hands in about 30 seconds.

I will stick to tennis, thank you. I don't want anyone sweating or bleeding on me. :)

Ronaldo
05-31-2012, 11:49 AM
Gary Goodrich is showing signs of Head Trauma. Saw one of his fights in Pride. He blocked punches with his grill then knocked the guy out. http://rearnakedsmoke.com/2011/08/25/a-powerful-written-statement-from-gary-goodrich-on-his-brain-injuries/

tricky
06-01-2012, 01:07 AM
Has anyone ever been killed in one of these events? Really brutal sport that makes boxing look like a girl's game.

It's bloodier, but less brutal. MMA is really about endgame. How to reach it, how to avoid it. And the foundation is basically grounded in self-defense.

Ronaldo
06-01-2012, 07:21 PM
Anyone believe Chiesa could submit Iaquinta tonight?

West Coast Ace
07-05-2012, 05:58 PM
Bump.

Just about time. Thoughts on Silva - Sonnen II.

I'm not buying the injury stuff in the first fight. Silva just wasn't prepared for how good Sonnen's takedowns were. This time I think he will and will either completely shut the door and just win a unanimous decision or catch him coming in with something and TKO him.

Ronaldo
07-05-2012, 07:50 PM
Why is Mark Munoz on a free-per-view?

The Wreck
07-06-2012, 07:27 AM
Why is Mark Munoz on a free-per-view?

Because Mark Munoz cannot sell a pay-per-view. No one outside the hardcores know who he is. Put him on a free card, maybe people see him and get interested and will buy the PPV if he ever co-headlines.

canadad
07-06-2012, 09:25 PM
I think this time Silva will go Machida and be all elusive. I think he he will try to pop shots while moving around and avoiding the takedown. Having said that, Silva's weakness seems to me against wrestlers, he had a rough start against Henderson and Travis Lutter. I am eager to see how it unfolds. I like this card, it will be fun to watch.

Larrysümmers
07-06-2012, 10:13 PM
hey guys. my friend challenged me to a jiu jitsu roll. any tips? haha.

Ronaldo
07-07-2012, 06:48 PM
Just Like That, Game, Set, Match, Chad Money Mendes Wins! Shot to the Solar Plexus, forgetaboutit. And Just Like This, Demian Maia snaps Kim's ribs. 47 seconds. Cung Lee finally wins his 1st fight in the Octagon at 40.

Fugazi
07-07-2012, 07:44 PM
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Ronaldo
07-07-2012, 07:59 PM
Ortiz better step up in the 3rd

Ronaldo
07-07-2012, 08:13 PM
Finally, Sonnen v Silva! OMG!!!! Here We GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RD 1 to Sonnen. KO Silva Rd 2

Larrysümmers
07-07-2012, 08:37 PM
Silva is the GOAT

Ronaldo
07-07-2012, 08:40 PM
Silva is the GOAT

And let's have a BBQ

T1000
07-08-2012, 09:58 AM
Fighters rub the vaseline from their brow on their arms and chest all the time. He made no effort to hide it. I only saw one instance of bad short grabbing, but it didn't make a difference, really.

I don't know what the hell Chael was thinking throwing a spinning backfist. It was bound to stop working at some point, but the whole bull rush and take down strategy could have gotten him a couple more rounds.

He got warned 4 times and they all prevented take downs. He and Aldo both cheat to stop takedowns, neither of them are really good at stopping them. The bull rush is how you beat silva. Close the distance and don't allow him to use his length or set up his strikes. It worked for 6 rounds and then Chael stops for no f'ing reason.

Sonnen's spinning backfist was not a good move, Silva needed an opening and got it. I think Sonnen should have pressed for the takedown at all costs, there was no way he was getting the better at any point in the stand-up. This cements two things in my opinion, Silva is a striker way about anyone at middleweight and he will get absolutely dominated by a high caliber wrestler(proved by Henderson, Lutter, and Sonnen). So, who is next at middleweight? Weidman, Munoz, Bisping, Lombard, Belcher? Maybe Rashad making a cut?

For me definitely the fight of the night was Forrest vs. Tito. I was a little surprised at the call at first, but I now see it makes a little sense. Forrest landed alot more strikes even though Ortiz did more significant damage and had the takedowns.


I thought it was an illegal at first, but after watching the replay, it really wasn't.

Rashad would get destroyed, he'd lose too much strength from the cut imo. Bisping would get out struck all day. Weidman or Munoz or maybe Hendo if he can make a good cut again have a shot. Lombard will probably get the next shot though if he wins.

Hendo did the same thing with Anderson, dominated the first round then abandoned his wrestling. Lutter had a full mount and then just gave up. Anderson really could've easily lost 4 times in the UFC if these guys didn't have huge egos and try to out strike him.

And I never saw a replay, just the live shot. Def looked like a knee to the bottom of his face. Even if it wasn't Silva was def aiming for it, I would too if someone talked sht about my girl lol

West Coast Ace
07-08-2012, 11:39 AM
...It worked for 6 rounds and then Chael stops for no f'ing reason...That's what I saw. Sonnen got cocky and diverted from the game plan that Silva still doesn't have an answer for.

I don't see any good fights at middleweight (for the belt). Silva needs to go up to 205 and fight Jones. Next yr's Super Bowl event. Dana, break out the checkbook and make it worth it to him.

Ronaldo
07-11-2012, 06:35 PM
Anyone watching Fight Night on Fuel TV?

The Wreck
07-11-2012, 06:44 PM
TERRIBLE stoppage on Munoz. He took about 6 or 7 shots too many. Just awful. How many times does his head have to bounce off the mat while blood spills out before you step in?

Ronaldo
07-11-2012, 06:48 PM
TERRIBLE stoppage on Munoz. He took about 6 or 7 shots too many. Just awful. How many times does his head have to bounce off the mat while blood spills out before you step in?

Did not see that elbow from Weidman that ended this bout. Can see now who will headline a PPV.

maverick66
07-11-2012, 07:25 PM
the real question I have is why isnt Silva at 205 by now. He has the size for it and the challenges at 185 are slim to none for him after this. There are some great match ups at 205 for him to take on but it just seems like that wont happen.

Ronaldo
07-11-2012, 07:40 PM
The Welterweight, Middleweight, and Lt Hvyweight Champs have reduced the viable challengers to just one or two per year. Lt Hvy was a revolving door of champs.

Feña14
07-11-2012, 09:26 PM
TERRIBLE stoppage on Munoz. He took about 6 or 7 shots too many. Just awful. How many times does his head have to bounce off the mat while blood spills out before you step in?

I agree, I thought it went on for longer than it needed.

That elbow was insane though, ducking that overhand right and almost letting Munoz walk into it.

Silva and Weidman could be pretty interesting.

JohnnyCracker
07-11-2012, 10:00 PM
if the knee was illegal (it was not), it wouldn't be the first time for Silva
anyone remember the illegal kick that resulted in disqualification for Silva in the fight with Yushin Okami?
then even after the ref stopped the fight and separated him from Okami, he still tried to go after the badly stunned Okami laying on the ground
he was ****ed because Okami was dominating him on the ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8jABw4sR8

similar situation in this last fight
he was ****ed after being dominated, man-handled on the ground in the first round
Sonnen had a Urijah Faber moment and there was the opportunity
Silva went for the knee on a down opponent.
He was fortunate that it landed in Sonnen's chest instead of the head.
Otherwise it would have been another disqualification.

http://i45.tinypic.com/azdr20.gif
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k142/brr9q/MISC/silva-sonnen-knee.gif

Kobble
07-11-2012, 11:24 PM
if the knee was illegal (it was not), it wouldn't be the first time for Silva
anyone remember the illegal kick that resulted in disqualification for Silva in the fight with Yushin Okami?
then even after the ref stopped the fight and separated him from Okami, he still tried to go after the badly stunned Okami laying on the ground
he was ****ed because Okami was dominating him on the ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8jABw4sR8

similar situation in this last fight
he was ****ed after being dominated, man-handled on the ground in the first round
Sonnen had a Urijah Faber moment and there was the opportunity
Silva went for the knee on a down opponent.
He was fortunate that it landed in Sonnen's chest instead of the head.
Otherwise it would have been another disqualification.

http://i45.tinypic.com/azdr20.gif
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k142/brr9q/MISC/silva-sonnen-knee.gif
Looks like the upper part hit the face before the rest hit the chest.

hollywood9826
07-12-2012, 03:26 AM
It may have been illegal, but close enough to not call it IMO.

I dont think Anderson cared if it was illegal or not, he was simply trying to knock his teeth out.

Chael at least made Silva try. Until that he had some terrible performances. Sonnen did not mean anything personal he just had to take the talk way further than what would be necessary for a normal person to get involved and try to sell fights. Sonnen plays the heel role as well as anybody. Why else would anyone care about some lay and pray guy enough to watch his fights. Maybe Jon Fitch should have taken a page outta Chaels book.

JohnnyCracker
07-12-2012, 04:40 AM
that was definitely his intention - to knock Sonnen's teeth out - whether it was illegal or not
would've been funny if it happened and then Silva invited the toothless Sonnen to come over for a bbq as he did in the post fight interview :lol:

maverick66
07-12-2012, 09:10 AM
Bring back pride rules please. That shouldnt be illegal in anyway. Guy is on his *** what are you supposed to can you please stand up so I can kick you or please lay down so I can enter guard?

hollywood9826
07-13-2012, 06:02 AM
Bring back pride rules, and not be able to show MMA on TV. yea thats fine I dont watch it anymore anyway. Its getting stale. At least this Silva Sonnen build up was entertaining.

Ronaldo
07-13-2012, 06:43 AM
Bring back pride rules, and not be able to show MMA on TV. yea thats fine I dont watch it anymore anyway. Its getting stale. At least this Silva Sonnen build up was entertaining.

Soccer kicks? Gotta love the Best of Pride.

GRANITECHIEF
07-13-2012, 08:04 AM
Good Strikeforce card on tonite for those that have Showtime.

http://www.strikeforce.com/event/SF2

Ronaldo
07-13-2012, 08:07 AM
Good Strikeforce card on tonite for those that have Showtime.

http://www.strikeforce.com/event/SF2

Thought it was on Saturday night?

GRANITECHIEF
07-13-2012, 08:20 AM
Thought it was on Saturday night?

Oh yeah, tmrw nite. Got a little excited haha!

http://www.cagepotato.com/theres-a-big-strikeforce-event-tomorrow-night-and-nobody-gives-a-expletive/

Ronaldo
07-13-2012, 08:30 AM
Oh yeah, tmrw nite. Got a little excited haha!

Zuffa has every weekend locked up

maverick66
07-13-2012, 09:39 AM
Bring back pride rules, and not be able to show MMA on TV. yea thats fine I dont watch it anymore anyway. Its getting stale. At least this Silva Sonnen build up was entertaining.

This country is such a sissified one. Punch, elbow, and choke him out but dont you dare knee or kick. That makes no sense. Its a freaking combat sport and because of the way they did things wrestlers are so heavily favored that they are killing the sport.

hollywood9826
07-13-2012, 09:51 AM
This country is such a sissified one. Punch, elbow, and choke him out but dont you dare knee or kick. That makes no sense. Its a freaking combat sport and because of the way they did things wrestlers are so heavily favored that they are killing the sport.

I agree with you 100%. I thought those pride fights were way better than UFC. UFC rules make it favorable to take down and jon fitch the guy. Even without the knees and soccer kicks and what not they let the guys lay to long. If the bottom guy can nuetralize the top guy from doing anything stand them back up.

Nobody is saying its a real fight no holds barred. Or else they could eyegouge, use small joint locks, front kicks to knee caps, straight elbows, and anything else. the fights are getting repetitive and boring, and a 2 second KO or sub isant saving the previous 8 minutes of blaah.

maverick66
07-13-2012, 09:52 AM
Pride also issued cards for laying on guys. Similiar to soccer to keep the action moving along which I would like to see make a comeback. The sport has a ton of potential to really succeed where boxing failed but they wont change some things.

First time I ever got my dad to watch an event was Shields vs Hendo. Shields dry humped him so bad my dad laughed and said they should check him for love stains. He has never watched again so stuff like that doesnt help the sport.

Grappling is good but it needs to be advancing your position or trying to do something. Not hey if I lay on you I win because of ring control.

hollywood9826
07-13-2012, 10:00 AM
They make too much money right now.

That could be all it takes, you lay on a guy get a card. 2nd card 1 pt deduction. They lay to win rounds, take away the abilty to win rounds by laying and force the guyto try to pass guard or sub someone.

Larrysümmers
07-13-2012, 10:10 AM
i though UFC was made to promote jiu jitsu or something like that? and thats how they get to stay on tv because its relatively non violent? not really sure, just the small stuff i read while trying to learn to jj roll haha

maverick66
07-13-2012, 10:23 AM
i though UFC was made to promote jiu jitsu or something like that? and thats how they get to stay on tv because its relatively non violent? not really sure, just the small stuff i read while trying to learn to jj roll haha

It was started by the gracies mainly to promote gracie jits. However it evolved and wrestlers really started to learn how to stuff subs and hence we have the lay and pray. They get on top and just lay there throwing tiny little pops to say they are doing something.

It was more violent when it started and they got banned from ppv. There was barely any rules. There was one fighter who tore off the other guys cup and went to town trying to pound his nuts. It was very violent in the first events.

hollywood9826
07-13-2012, 10:49 AM
Stuff like UFC 8 happened. 260lb vs 185lb

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/701/195/goodridge_display_image.jpg?1297094684

http://youtu.be/2VeTN66QprE

Ronaldo
07-13-2012, 10:59 AM
Remember this'n? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l1GwUhRWWk&feature=related

hollywood9826
07-13-2012, 11:02 AM
Remember this'n? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l1GwUhRWWk&feature=related

Is it Remco Parodel who outweighs a guy by 100lbs sitting on his chest and mashing elbows?

Ronaldo
07-21-2012, 07:56 PM
Hecter Lombard putting us asleep, saw this in Bellator too. Looks small, OMG Boetsch wins, split decision. Spider was right, he ain't ready.

Btw, Uriah looks short, even in five. Here We Go..............Barao win, blank the boobirds.

West Coast Ace
07-22-2012, 03:37 PM
Its a freaking combat sport...I agree - but not for the same reason (aka sissified). The fighters are redlining on adrenaline; the other guy is trying to maim them. But they're supposed to analyse the situation and rules when they see an opening? Stupid.

They make too much money right now.
A few more cards like last night will take care of that.

Stuff like UFC 8 happened. 260lb vs 185lb

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/701/195/goodridge_display_image.jpg?1297094684
Who won? Looks pretty close... :)

Hot Sauce
07-27-2012, 08:16 PM
Cormier vs. Mir should be a good fight. I'd put my money on The Black Fedor.

GRANITECHIEF
07-27-2012, 09:06 PM
Ya the Black Fedor is da bomb. Haven't seen much of a weakness so far, but Mir is hoping its his sub defense.

So how long till MMA is an olympic sport. There is already boxing , wrestiling, TKD, Judo? Since they can't fight consecutive bouts due to probably injuries, it would have to be a team format, where there were backups in weight classes.

The Wreck
07-28-2012, 04:22 PM
Ya the Black Fedor is da bomb. Haven't seen much of a weakness so far, but Mir is hoping its his sub defense.

So how long till MMA is an olympic sport. There is already boxing , wrestiling, TKD, Judo? Since they can't fight consecutive bouts due to probably injuries, it would have to be a team format, where there were backups in weight classes.

Just don't see it ever happening. Not feasible. Too many injuries, exhaustion, etc. Even a team format wouldn't work. Having 5 people in every weight class as backups would defeat the whole purpose of it. Not to mention it's too violent to fit into the olympic mold. Boxing in the olympics is all about point fighting and they wear head guards. It's not even the same game as boxing professionally.

I could see BJJ becoming an olympic sport, and I kind of think it should.

maverick66
07-28-2012, 04:52 PM
I could see BJJ becoming an olympic sport, and I kind of think it should.

The Olympics have enough as is. They wont add more nor should they.

Ronaldo
07-28-2012, 07:08 PM
Cormier vs. Mir should be a good fight. I'd put my money on The Black Fedor.

Cormier discussed Mir crossing over to StrikeForce in an interview w/Dr. Ferdie Pacheco on Showtime Championship Boxing tonight.

adventure
07-29-2012, 05:22 PM
I used to be big into MMA starting around 2006/7 or so. BJ's rematch with Hughes showed me how creative and skilled an MMA fighter could be.

Lately, I've become a casual/intermittent fan. The quality of cards has dropped very sharply. Folding WEC into the UFC was a horrible mistake from an entertainment perspective. WEC fights were crazy fun to watch. In the UFC, the same fights and fighters oddly enough, don't seem to generate much excitement.

The Wreck
07-30-2012, 01:08 PM
I used to be big into MMA starting around 2006/7 or so. BJ's rematch with Hughes showed me how creative and skilled an MMA fighter could be.

Lately, I've become a casual/intermittent fan. The quality of cards has dropped very sharply. Folding WEC into the UFC was a horrible mistake from an entertainment perspective. WEC fights were crazy fun to watch. In the UFC, the same fights and fighters oddly enough, don't seem to generate much excitement.

They still do. But the only the fights that would have been WEC main events even make a UFC main card. Everything else is relegated to the prelims which we either never see or just feels less important.

I've lost a little interest from 07-08 too when I was really into it. I think a lot of it has to do with their being too much stagnation within each division. Here's what things look like:

BW: Dominick Cruz - 4 defenses
FW: Jose Aldo - 5 defenses
LW: Ben Henderson - 0 defenses, but division is stuck in a perpetual state of rematches
WW: GSP - 7 defenses (if you count unifying the title), and division has been tied up forever with injuries and an interim belt that hasn't been defended.
MW: Anderson Silva - 10 defenses
LHW: Jon Jones - 3 defenses, but no end in sight
HW: Junior Dos Santos - 1 defense

I think having dominant champions is good to an extent. But these divisions are stuck. Either the same people keep rotating title shots, or guys who barely deserve the shot are getting a crack at it. It was probably like that 4-5 years ago too, but it didn't feel that way.

Ronaldo
07-30-2012, 01:53 PM
The UFC assimilating Pride's talent was exciting but many stars from 5 yrs ago are just too old. And guys rarely fight more than twice a year.

West Coast Ace
07-30-2012, 02:39 PM
So how long till MMA is an olympic sport....Since they can't fight consecutive bouts due to probably injuries, it would have to be a team format, where there were backups in weight classes.I wonder how many countries a sport would have to have traction in to even be considered. I doubt there are currently enough. One thing for Dana to take it on the road - another to have fighters in enough countries. Baseball and softball were taken out - not enough interest AND the US medaling too much.

Feña14
07-30-2012, 03:04 PM
I wonder how many countries a sport would have to have traction in to even be considered. I doubt there are currently enough. One thing for Dana to take it on the road - another to have fighters in enough countries. Baseball and softball were taken out - not enough interest AND the US medaling too much.

I think interest in it could be a problem, although I know it is a big sport here in the UK, you'd of thought the South American and Asian fans would be keen on it too. I wouldn't of thought there would be too many problems getting enough Nations to take part, earlier in the year in Sweden the UFC had 10 Nationalities represented for instance. There are big names from all over the World too, Brazil, Canada, USA, UK, France, Asia, Russia have some decent fighters etc..

It won't happen, but could you imagine seeing the fans in Brazil in 4 years time supporting their own going for a gold? It would probably be second only to the football in terms of importance for them.

Ronaldo
08-01-2012, 04:02 PM
Cormier vs. Mir should be a good fight. I'd put my money on The Black Fedor.

Heard this is the final Heavyweight fight for StrikeForce. The title will be retired and Cormier will join the UFC.

adventure
08-01-2012, 04:45 PM
I wonder how many countries a sport would have to have traction in to even be considered. I doubt there are currently enough. One thing for Dana to take it on the road - another to have fighters in enough countries. Baseball and softball were taken out - not enough interest AND the US medaling too much.

MMA is already a global sport. That's not the issue. The fighters would not be able to compete multiple times in a few weeks' span.

Feña14
08-01-2012, 04:53 PM
MMA is already a global sport. That's not the issue. The fighters would not be able to compete multiple times in a few weeks' span.

I wonder if they would even be allowed? They're under contract, i'm sure various organisations wouldn't be too pleased letting their stars risk injuries at the Olympics, especially with several fights in a short time period.

Ronaldo
08-01-2012, 05:07 PM
Let the latest Martial Arts medal winners bring interest to MMA when they turn pro. Creates a great story. Think of Rhonda Rousey.

Feña14
08-01-2012, 05:21 PM
Let the latest Martial Arts medal winners bring interest to MMA when they turn pro. Creates a great story. Think of Rhonda Rousey.

Well it works with boxing aswell, hopefully it can do the same.

Ronaldo
08-01-2012, 05:40 PM
Well it works with boxing aswell, hopefully it can do the same.

It already has

adventure
08-01-2012, 06:31 PM
I wonder if they would even be allowed? They're under contract, i'm sure various organisations wouldn't be too pleased letting their stars risk injuries at the Olympics, especially with several fights in a short time period.

I'm not really sure what the rules for mma would look like in an amateur context. I really don't see it happening. Those small gloves allow for a ton of superficial cuts. These types of injuries require several weeks to heal properly.

I think Dana/Zuffa would allow it, if it ever becomes an olympic sport, which it probably will not. These guys get trashed in training camps all the time. It's highly unusual for any PPV card to actually have all of the fighters billed just a month or two prior.

These guys would look like road kill by the second fight if it ever became an olympic sport.

hollywood9826
08-02-2012, 05:12 AM
I dont think you would ever see MMA as an olympic sport.

Maybe BJJ may have a chance. Surpised there wasnt a bigger push to getit on the bill as a non-medal exhibition event for Rio 2016.

West Coast Ace
08-07-2012, 12:45 PM
No comments on the Fox card over the weekend? Bader got impatient and walked into a right. Rua clobbered Vera; Vera must have forgotten his wrestling skills - hard to believe he could get taken down that often. I admire his courage - but this fight IMHO is just another example of his limitations - just can't hang with the top guys.

And while it's easy for Dana White to say Machida was more impressive and gets the title shot, I would have rather seen Machida - Rua III first at the end of Dec. Then the winner could fight Jones in April or May.

Feña14
08-07-2012, 12:59 PM
No comments on the Fox card over the weekend? Bader got impatient and walked into a right. Rua clobbered Vera; Vera must have forgotten his wrestling skills - hard to believe he could get taken down that often. I admire his courage - but this fight IMHO is just another example of his limitations - just can't hang with the top guys.

And while it's easy for Dana White to say Machida was more impressive and gets the title shot, I would have rather seen Machida - Rua III first at the end of Dec. Then the winner could fight Jones in April or May.

I thought the card was excellent, way better than 149 a few weeks ago. The Machida and Rua III would be good to see, who says Jones will be Champion by April next year though? ;) they kept having to correct themselves on saturday :)

Hot Sauce
08-08-2012, 12:18 AM
It was a good card. As a huge Shogun fan, I have to be critical and say that the criticism of his cardio is quite true. But it seems that his conditioning only seems to suffer when he is wrestling and grappling a lot in the fight. He went 5 rounds with Machida and looked fresh the whole fight, but he gets very exhausted in grueling grappling matches.

I really believe that he has the skills, talent, and definitely the heart to beat Jones, but his conditioning isn't up to the new standard that we see with up-and-coming fighters, and fighters with top notch training.

Ronaldo
08-11-2012, 07:36 PM
Melvin Guillard just got KTFO

Ronaldo
08-11-2012, 07:57 PM
Ben henderson looks so huge. And do you agree with the decision?

West Coast Ace
08-12-2012, 09:36 AM
MMA is already a global sport. That's not the issue. No. Viewership doesn't matter. Participation does - and it's not 'global' in that regard. The top fighters are from a handful of countries. Forget the brutality, the IOC isn't going to add any sports that don't have elite fighters from a large number of countries. MMA might get there someday; not there now.

Ronaldo
08-12-2012, 10:11 AM
What is up with the gear worn at the Olympics for Tae Kwon Do? Seems like overkill

maverick66
08-12-2012, 10:37 AM
No. Viewership doesn't matter. Participation does - and it's not 'global' in that regard. The top fighters are from a handful of countries. Forget the brutality, the IOC isn't going to add any sports that don't have elite fighters from a large number of countries. MMA might get there someday; not there now.

it never will make it. Try asking guys that are fighting now to fight for an entire week. Its to much. Imagine having to come back after a fight like Machida vs Shogun 1. Neither guy had anything left after that.

Or take on Chael Sonnen win and have to come back. Your drained and exhausted so your tourny is over. The sport doesnt lend itself to Olympic style competition. You cant fight again and again.

The Boxing,Judo, TKD are not the same in that they can modify time and rules to make it less brutal you cant do that with MMA and keep it MMA.

Ronaldo
08-12-2012, 02:36 PM
it never will make it. Try asking guys that are fighting now to fight for an entire week. Its to much. Imagine having to come back after a fight like Machida vs Shogun 1. Neither guy had anything left after that.

Or take on Chael Sonnen win and have to come back. Your drained and exhausted so your tourny is over. The sport doesnt lend itself to Olympic style competition. You cant fight again and again.

The Boxing,Judo, TKD are not the same in that they can modify time and rules to make it less brutal you cant do that with MMA and keep it MMA.

This makes Royce Gracie's UFC accomplishments incredible.

The Wreck
08-12-2012, 05:07 PM
This makes Royce Gracie's UFC accomplishments incredible.

Kind of. I don't want to devalue what he accomplished. But MOST of his fights were over fairly quickly since no one understood submission defense at the time. He won the first UFC fighting for less than 5 minutes total and probably didn't break much of a sweat. It wasn't until UFC 4 that he started to get really pushed. Now THAT was an accomplishment. But if you've ever seen the fights from that night, they're actually pretty awful.

I guess my point is that it would just be impossible to fight like that in the modern MMA game, and that while Royce Gracie impressively did it, it wasn't even the same sport at that time.

West Coast Ace
08-23-2012, 03:19 PM
UFC 151 is off! Jones wouldn't fight Sonnen (even though he'd been training and Sonnen hadn't). Dana White is p*ssed! Allegedly Jones will fight Machida in Sept in Toronto.

Feña14
08-23-2012, 03:44 PM
UFC 151 is off! Jones wouldn't fight Sonnen (even though he'd been training and Sonnen hadn't). Dana White is p*ssed! Allegedly Jones will fight Machida in Sept in Toronto.

Wow, no UFC for another month? Not good.

Dana White did look pretty upset, understandably so.

West Coast Ace
08-23-2012, 04:06 PM
Dana White did look pretty upset, understandably so.I have a huge case of mixed emotions. Jones should have fought - Sonnen hadn't been training and was moving up a class while Jones was in camp. But Hendo was probably going to fight a different style - so Jones was preparing for a different fight.

And if DW had to cancel the whole show, that's an admission he failed at his job - putting a good show together. And by giving Jones the Sept. fight, DW has shown that the top stars really run the show and can call their shots.

canadad
08-23-2012, 04:07 PM
UFC 151 is off! Jones wouldn't fight Sonnen (even though he'd been training and Sonnen hadn't). Dana White is p*ssed! Allegedly Jones will fight Machida in Sept in Toronto.

I never quite got why people didn't like Jones, he seems like a nice guy. Now I get it, I find myself not liking him very much after this. He listened to his weirdo trainer and did not take the fight. He was already training for an olympic caliber wrestler in Henderson and would have fought a guy who is a middleweight and perhaps not in shape. I am sure the UFC said, "If you don't fight, we will have to cancel the event." So he is letting down fans who had event tickets, plane tickets(nonrefundable), the organization, etc. Boo-urns Jones!

Feña14
08-23-2012, 04:17 PM
I have a huge case of mixed emotions. Jones should have fought - Sonnen hadn't been training and was moving up a class while Jones was in camp. But Hendo was probably going to fight a different style - so Jones was preparing for a different fight.

And if DW had to cancel the whole show, that's an admission he failed at his job - putting a good show together. And by giving Jones the Sept. fight, DW has shown that the top stars really run the show and can call their shots.

All true, on such short notice I don't think Dana White could of won either way. I think Sonnen and Jones would be worthy of a main event, so can understand why he wanted that to take place. Jones obviously was expecting to fight someone else, so last minute changes to a title defence aren't great.

As you say, the top stars probably do call the shots and maybe letting him choose his opponent would be too far, but you can argue giving him the choice of turning it down is pandering to his needs too.

Ultimately it's the fans who lose out anyway, it will be a gap of around 6 weeks since 150 I think? That's pretty big.

Ronaldo
08-23-2012, 04:51 PM
All true, on such short notice I don't think Dana White could of won either way. I think Sonnen and Jones would be worthy of a main event, so can understand why he wanted that to take place. Jones obviously was expecting to fight someone else, so last minute changes to a title defence aren't great.

As you say, the top stars probably do call the shots and maybe letting him choose his opponent would be too far, but you can argue giving him the choice of turning it down is pandering to his needs too.

Ultimately it's the fans who lose out anyway, it will be a gap of around 6 weeks since 150 I think? That's pretty big.

UFC will make up for the apparent drought with 4 events in 4 weeks starting with UFC 152 9/22.

Feña14
08-23-2012, 04:55 PM
UFC will make up for the apparent drought with 4 events in 4 weeks starting with UFC 152 9/22.

True! One of which is in the UK, the card is pretty uninspiring, but it will be great to have one here again.

Ronaldo
08-23-2012, 05:10 PM
Can only see Bellator in our area until the UFC or Strikeforce visits C-Bus for the Arnold Weekend. Arnold weekend in March is bigger and better than Xmas.

hollywood9826
08-24-2012, 03:28 AM
Is Jones scared he couldnt beat Sonnen? He should destroy that guy. Take the fight and get paid. I dont understand how he does not take that fight. I dont see how Sonnen gets past the 2nd round. Hes got zero striking and Jones should be able to stuff takedowns against a much smaller guy.

The only neg is that there simply wasnt enough time for Sonnen to go into full trash talk mode.

Ronaldo
08-24-2012, 03:54 AM
Is Jones scared he couldnt beat Sonnen? He should destroy that guy. Take the fight and get paid. I dont understand how he does not take that fight. I dont see how Sonnen gets past the 2nd round. Hes got zero striking and Jones should be able to stuff takedowns against a much smaller guy.

The only neg is that there simply wasnt enough time for Sonnen to go into full trash talk mode.

Maybe Sonnen just rubs Jones the wrong way

hollywood9826
08-24-2012, 04:09 AM
Maybe Sonnen just rubs Jones the wrong way

So why wouldnt he want to KO his arse and make a million bucks.

Ronaldo
08-24-2012, 05:09 AM
So why wouldnt he want to KO his arse and make a million bucks.

To keep Chael from earning a million fafillion gadzillion bucks and yucks.

Feña14
08-24-2012, 08:23 AM
To keep Chael from earning a million fafillion gadzillion bucks and yucks.

I heard Sonnen say he was willing to give Jones all the money from the fight, you never really know when he's been serious though :)

There was a good interview with Sonnen on Bleacher Report, he was saying Jones is effectively a bully in choosing who he wants to fight.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1308996-chael-sonnen-exclusive-ufc-champion-jon-jones-is-a-delusional-brat

GRANITECHIEF
08-24-2012, 09:11 AM
Ya right: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/23/3264254/jon-jones-just-to-clear-the-record-ive-never-turn-down-a-mma-fight

Also, Machida turns down the fight, Shogun turns down the fight, and Vitor Belfort, another 185'er steps up. I guess since Sonnen lost his last fight and Vitor won his, he's in.

http://www.cagepotato.com/lyoto-machida-turns-down-jon-jones-fight-at-ufc-152-vitor-belfort-steps-in-after-shogun-declines-as-well-jonesanity/

I'm just disgusted with everyone. They make me sick. Dan Henderson training too hard, Jon Jones being a big whiny crybaby goon, Dana White being a hysterical incompetent schmuck; it all makes me want to puke in my cheerios. What a giant cluster**** of incredible proportions! Get it together people! I'm fat, lazy, and way too useless to find something productive to do with myself and I want to be entertained!

I'm so mad I could curl up on the ground right now and hold my breath until I turn blue and pass out and then hopefully go into convulsions to seriously alarm any random people that happen to witness my display of uncontrollable disgustedness.

scotus
08-24-2012, 10:04 AM
I don't know Jones and Sonnen very well, but it may have been a wise decision on the part of Jones to refuse the fight.

If he trained for months analyzing Henderson's moves and prepping specifically to attack, defend, counter-attack Henderson, then it would be foolish to turn to another fighter and hope the same strategy would work.

True, Jones was in fighting shape and Sonnen was most likely not. But it is still a risk to accept a fight one has not taken the proper prep for.

Some good fighters have taken up fights hastily, thinking it would be a walkover, only to come out a loser.

Feña14
08-24-2012, 10:54 AM
I'd of loved to of seen Sonnen and Jones. I don't think Sonnen could of gone 5 rounds, on 8 days notice, moving up in weight. Jones would of walked it probably.

If he does earn a shot in the future and gets a proper training camp in, it would be alot more even. I can't imagine Jones would fancy 25 minute of double leg takedown attempts.

Ronaldo
08-24-2012, 01:17 PM
Anderson Silva offered to fight at Lt Hvy to save the card? Bad news for the Undercard, they gotta eat. Bones taking bread out of their mouths and pockets. Rent due on the 1st.

Feña14
08-24-2012, 01:45 PM
Anderson Silva offered to fight at Lt Hvy to save the card? Bad news for the Undercard, they gotta eat. Bones taking bread out of their mouths and pockets. Rent due on the 1st.

Yeah, alot on twitter were saying things along those lines. You have to feel for them, the flights, hotels, preparation etc.. it all adds up.

Do you think Silva really did offer to fight? I think he might of saw Sonnen did and chimed in at the last minute :)

Ronaldo
08-24-2012, 02:25 PM
Too bad Dana didn't offer to fight. Still should, as angry as he is at Jones.

West Coast Ace
08-24-2012, 03:13 PM
Ya right: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/23/3264254/jon-jones-just-to-clear-the-record-ive-never-turn-down-a-mma-fight

Also, Machida turns down the fight, Shogun turns down the fight, and Vitor Belfort, another 185'er steps up. I guess since Sonnen lost his last fight and Vitor won his, he's in.

http://www.cagepotato.com/lyoto-machida-turns-down-jon-jones-fight-at-ufc-152-vitor-belfort-steps-in-after-shogun-declines-as-well-jonesanity/

I'm just disgusted with everyone. They make me sick. Dan Henderson training too hard, Jon Jones being a big whiny crybaby goon, Dana White being a hysterical incompetent schmuck; it all makes me want to puke in my cheerios. What a giant cluster**** of incredible proportions! Get it together people! I'm fat, lazy, and way too useless to find something productive to do with myself and I want to be entertained!

I'm so mad I could curl up on the ground right now and hold my breath until I turn blue and pass out and then hopefully go into convulsions to seriously alarm any random people that happen to witness my display of uncontrollable disgustedness.I agree with everything except the self-abuse in the last para. Dana White needs to put better shows together AND if Jones refuses to fight, suspend (or drop him) - Jones needs UFC as much as it needs him. Jones needs to grow a set. I'll bet if his camp had said "another half mil + make it a non-title fight" White would have agreed.

I'll pass on the TO show.

TomT
08-24-2012, 06:23 PM
Just noticed this thread. Cool. I like MMA, though I liked it better in the beginning when it was more brutal.

I have great respect for the athletes who do this. Maybe the ultimate sport re strength, conditioning, mental toughness. Of course there's boxing and real wrestling. Tough choice, but if you're going to have a violent sport where the object is to physically hurt or incapacitate the opponent ... then MMA.

Watched many of the earlier TUF episodes. Very entertaining.

My current favorite guy in MMA is George St. Pierre. No surprise there, eh? The thing is, I have to think that he must be a lot stronger than he looks.

West Coast Ace
08-25-2012, 08:27 AM
I wonder if Silva - Sonnen (non-title at 205) was ever considered? Sonnen was doing pretty well before he tripped on the silly spinning punch and got G&P'd out. I would watch them fight again. Guessing Silva didn't want to risk it - because if Sonnen did beat him then they'd have to go down to 185 and do it again.

hollywood9826
08-27-2012, 08:19 AM
I would say Silva is done with Sonnen. Sonnens best change at getting back at Silva would be to pummel his boy Machida, and then maybe Lil Nog.

I guess Sonnen is still going to fight Forrest though. Forrest is huge for 205 so we will see what Sonnen can do. But Sonnen does train with guys who have historically not had a problem going against bigger guys. Couture and Hendo obviously have titles at multiple weight classes

West Coast Ace
08-27-2012, 02:43 PM
I guess Sonnen is still going to fight Forrest though. Forrest is huge for 205 so we will see what Sonnen can do. But Sonnen does train with guys who have historically not had a problem going against bigger guys. If Sonnen can't beat washed up Forrest, he should retire. Younger and faster with great wrestling. Unless Forrest got a lucky timed punch or knee in I assume there would be a whole lot of Sonnen on top beating his face in. If A Silva couldn't avoid the takedowns, Forrest certainly couldn't.

hollywood9826
08-28-2012, 04:44 AM
If Sonnen can't beat washed up Forrest, he should retire. Younger and faster with great wrestling. Unless Forrest got a lucky timed punch or knee in I assume there would be a whole lot of Sonnen on top beating his face in. If A Silva couldn't avoid the takedowns, Forrest certainly couldn't.

But A Silva isnt 235 lbs. Ive never been a fan of Forrest, he probably got the most out of not much talet than anyone I can think of. He has no world class skills unless you call cutting weight a skill. I guess Forest is setting his legacy up to be the guy from TUF and losing to middleweights :)

But I agree Sonnen should win and I think he will. But the size of forrest is a resonable one. Chale might gas quicker than usual and get subbed liek hes known for from time to time.

fightfan
08-28-2012, 12:18 PM
I've been a huge MMA fan since UFC 1! I'm super happy about it's incredible growth during the last few years, but I must say, I've reached overload at this point. I haven't watch a live PPV in probably at least 2 years. Besides being really expensive, there are just too many cards for me now. Probably the only fight I'd pay for now would be GSP-Spider, Spider-Bones Jones, or Rousey-Cyborg (!). Seriously, I'd love to see Rousey take Cyborg's arm home!

The Wreck
08-28-2012, 01:59 PM
But A Silva isnt 235 lbs. Ive never been a fan of Forrest, he probably got the most out of not much talet than anyone I can think of. He has no world class skills unless you call cutting weight a skill. I guess Forest is setting his legacy up to be the guy from TUF and losing to middleweights :)

But I agree Sonnen should win and I think he will. But the size of forrest is a resonable one. Chale might gas quicker than usual and get subbed liek hes known for from time to time.

Forrest has the jiu-jitsu skills to submit Chael. No doubt about that. I don't think it happens, but it's a possibility. Forrest can't stop Chael's takedowns, but if he survives a few rounds and tires Chael out, he can pull a Forrest specialty, leg kicking and slapping Sonnen into a decision. If this were Forrest from 2008, I'd give him a good chance to win. He's got more skills than people would think, and he's much bigger than Chael. But at this point, I don't think he cares about fighting. It's what he does, and he wants to make the money while it's there, but the desire is gone.

West Coast Ace
08-28-2012, 05:48 PM
...he probably got the most out of not much talet than anyone I can think of...+1. He was a Vegas cop before UFC - beating up handcuffed guys, drunks, and the homeless. But channeling his anger in the octagon against guys his own size and getting his share of beatings - and losing his manhood against A Silva, seems to have humanized him.

fightfan
08-28-2012, 08:44 PM
I guess I'm out of the loop, but is there a possible bout between Forrest and Chael? I really think Chael should focus on beating top guys in his own weight class for a potential long-term rematch against Silva. I'm getting tired of these "freak" matches just to pit 2 "names" against each other. FWIW, I think Forrest can beat Chael easily.

Lastly, you've got some good points WCA. Forrest definitely doesn't seem to be the same fighter he was 5 years ago. I believe Forrest was a police officer in Georgia, though he might have also served in Vegas too. I know he's trained quite a bit there.

maverick66
08-28-2012, 09:16 PM
+1. He was a Vegas cop before UFC - beating up handcuffed guys, drunks, and the homeless. But channeling his anger in the octagon against guys his own size and getting his share of beatings - and losing his manhood against A Silva, seems to have humanized him.

He was never ever a Vegas cop.

He worked with a Georgia sheriffs department and was gonna become a security guard at the local jails before he made it.

Also losing to A.Silva does not equal losing ones manhood. The guy is the best fighter in MMA right now.

I will agree that he has taking some brutal beatings even in fights he wins. He seems to enjoy pain or not mind it. If you read his book which is a really good read he is a weird man that does things involving pain that just baffles me.

hollywood9826
08-29-2012, 04:01 AM
I guess I'm out of the loop, but is there a possible bout between Forrest and Chael? I really think Chael should focus on beating top guys in his own weight class for a potential long-term rematch against Silva. I'm getting tired of these "freak" matches just to pit 2 "names" against each other. FWIW, I think Forrest can beat Chael easily.

Lastly, you've got some good points WCA. Forrest definitely doesn't seem to be the same fighter he was 5 years ago. I believe Forrest was a police officer in Georgia, though he might have also served in Vegas too. I know he's trained quite a bit there.

Sonnen has said he is moving up and fighting light heavyweight. I guess working out with Dan Henderson has shown him its possible.

Chael fought Forrest in 2003. Forrest won via triangle :)

Rematch is supposed to be in December.

fightfan
08-29-2012, 04:27 AM
Ah, thanks for the update hollywood. Didn't know they were actually scheduled already, and I certainly didn't know they had already fought.