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formula16
01-27-2012, 12:38 AM
I'm 5'9. I use a 1hbh. Should i switch to a two hander alot more balls will be high for me and a two hander is better for high balls.

Also, I am an aggressive player naturally but since i am short, should i try to be more of a counter puncher? I naturally want to go for shots and finish points on my terms.

goran_ace
01-27-2012, 01:28 AM
Also, I am an aggressive player naturally but since i am short, should i try to be more of a counter puncher? I naturally want to go for shots and finish points on my terms.

Absolutely not. You will be held back more by your mind and how hard you are willing to work than you will by your body. You say you are aggressive, want to go for shots and finish points on your own terms. You probably won't have the temperament and the patience to have success as a counter puncher. If you want to be a shotmaker, be a shotmaker. Your height isn't the issue, your issue is shot selection and your ability to keep those aggressive shots between the lines. Height is great if you have it (and know how to use it), but it's overrated. Athleticism, brains, and hard work are where it's at.

Don't think that you categorically have to play a certain way based on how tall you are, or that a one handers can't handle high balls, or that short guys can't serve big. I've played a lot of tennis. I probably played more tennis by the age of 25 than most players will in a lifetime. I've known players shorter than you make it at the DI level playing a power game. I've known big and tall guys who don't hit very big but who get by on grinding and outworking, even against smaller faster players. OK, granted the short guys I'm thinking of were freakishly athletic beasts, the tall guys had a lot of heart and dedication, but my point is that size/height isn't a limiting factor.

Chyeaah
01-27-2012, 03:52 AM
Absolutely not. You will be held back more by your mind and how hard you are willing to work than you will by your body. You say you are aggressive, want to go for shots and finish points on your own terms. You probably won't have the temperament and the patience to have success as a counter puncher. If you want to be a shotmaker, be a shotmaker. Your height isn't the issue, your issue is shot selection and your ability to keep those aggressive shots between the lines. Height is great if you have it (and know how to use it), but it's overrated. Athleticism, brains, and hard work are where it's at.

Don't think that you categorically have to play a certain way based on how tall you are, or that a one handers can't handle high balls, or that short guys can't serve big. I've played a lot of tennis. I probably played more tennis by the age of 25 than most players will in a lifetime. I've known players shorter than you make it at the DI level playing a power game. I've known big and tall guys who don't hit very big but who get by on grinding and outworking, even against smaller faster players. OK, granted the short guys I'm thinking of were freakishly athletic beasts, the tall guys had a lot of heart and dedication, but my point is that size/height isn't a limiting factor.

Im 15 and im 1.67m. Im short. I guess you can be a fast paces counterpuncher, play smart, train hard.

Stick with your 1HBH and you need to slice if your gonna be a counter puncher, 1HBH is easier to hide the slice. Counterpunching is just switching from defense to offense without going through the neutral phase. Learn and practice low skidding slices that go deep into the court and near the side. The aim is to set up an open court where you can use your forehand as a weapon. Use your backhand slice to setup and keep them on the backfoot.

Tmano
01-27-2012, 03:56 AM
I'm 5'9. I use a 1hbh. Should i switch to a two hander alot more balls will be high for me and a two hander is better for high balls.

Also, I am an aggressive player naturally but since i am short, should i try to be more of a counter puncher? I naturally want to go for shots and finish points on my terms.

Why changing your game based on your height? if you think you are not that tall I tell you I'm 5'8 a solid 4.0 probably 4.5 that most of the time when I play tourneys my opponenet are 5'10 and above but I bit them. I'm an aggressive player too however, there are moments in which being a counter puncher helps and it could be a good chioce for you. But if you fell confident with your shots you could actually still playing aggressive only controlling it. It's a controlled aggression.

Fuji
01-27-2012, 11:12 AM
I'm 5'9. I use a 1hbh. Should i switch to a two hander alot more balls will be high for me and a two hander is better for high balls.

Also, I am an aggressive player naturally but since i am short, should i try to be more of a counter puncher? I naturally want to go for shots and finish points on my terms.

I've been Serve and Volleying against all types of players since I was below 5'0 tall! Height really shouldn't influence your game style. If you are an aggressive player, then learn how to work your spin to keep your hard shots in the lines.

Trust me, the difference between 5'9 where you are, and 6'0 where I am, doesn't make a huge difference in the game. In the past few years where I have grown from 5'7 to 6'0, there hasn't been much change at all with the extra height.

-Fuji

BevelDevil
01-27-2012, 11:23 AM
What grip do you use on the 1hbh? If you use a standard Eastern grip (knuckle on top bevel), then before you dump the 1hbh for the 2-hander, you may as well experiment with a stronger 1hbh grip-- try rolling back your knuckle by a half bevel to the Extreme Eastern, where your knuckle is on the corner of bevel 1 and 8 (the top and the back slant over).

Another way to make your grip play more strongly, but without relocating your index knuckle, is to switch to a "hammer grip", whereby your pinky knuckle moves to about the same bevel as your index knuckle (it might be 1/2 bevel forward). Pete Sampras and Gustavo Kuerten used this type of grip (Pete with a weak eastern, gustavo with an extreme eastern).

So, if you're determined to change your 1hbh, try one of these methods before going to the 2hbh.


I've argued elsewhere that the extreme eastern 1hbh should be the standard 1hbh grip in the same way that the SW forehand has taken over the Eastern forehand. The EE isn't just for clay court specialists!



Also, make sure your basic techniques are good.

Here's the best 1hbh video on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqBEErW0vTA


keep us posted.

BevelDevil
01-27-2012, 11:32 AM
Trust me, the difference between 5'9 where you are, and 6'0 where I am, doesn't make a huge difference in the game. In the past few years where I have grown from 5'7 to 6'0, there hasn't been much change at all with the extra height.

-Fuji

I disagree, even just three inches matters. The reason you don't notice a difference is because you grew gradually over the course of several years.

If you shrunk 3 inches overnight I'm sure you'd notice. Your serve would have to change, and balls would appear to be bouncing 3 inches higher on every shot. The last point is significant for most players with Eastern grips.

USS Tang
01-27-2012, 12:55 PM
BevelDevil, isn't the one-hand backhand grip you are describing the same as the continental or at least very close to it?

BevelDevil
01-27-2012, 02:11 PM
A continental is where your index knuckle is on the front top slant (bevel 2). So going from the Eastern, where your knuckle is on the top bevel (b1), you get to the continental by rolling your hand forward (towards the side of the racket that will contact the ball) until it is entirely on the next bevel forward.

You get to the Extreme Eastern by rolling your knuckle backwards by a half bevel, so your knuckle is straddling part of the top bevel and part of the bevel behind it (b8 ).


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_nXc8A6kbmeY/TF96iz41DkI/AAAAAAAAABA/WuGfmBd6Gnw/01_justine_henin_backhand%20mod2%20crop.jpg

^^^ The red box indicates bevel 8, the slant right behind the top bevel (b1). Henin's knuckle is between b1 and b8, and is correctly called an "Extreme Eastern."

LeeD
01-27-2012, 04:43 PM
JohanKriek was just over 5'9", maybe 165-175, and hit a ton, played S/V or totally aggressive baseline tennis.
He was an abberation for sure, but if ONE person can do it, so can some other some day.

Can't think of a name
01-27-2012, 05:36 PM
height really only becomes an issue near div 1 college or pro level. I'm 5'7" and rarely face someone at the rec level that can outhit me :). It's all about technique up until 5.0 - 5.5ish... that's when height really starts to become a factor and speed is a must. As for switching to a 2hbh it might give you benefits in the long run, but if youre comfortable now with your 1hbh no need to change. 5'5" rochus has a 1hbh and he's seemed to do pretty well for himself

Limpinhitter
01-27-2012, 07:43 PM
I'm 5'9. I use a 1hbh. Should i switch to a two hander alot more balls will be high for me and a two hander is better for high balls.

Also, I am an aggressive player naturally but since i am short, should i try to be more of a counter puncher? I naturally want to go for shots and finish points on my terms.

The answer to your question is no! First, 5'9" isn't short. It's average. Second, IMO, the advantage of being small in tennis outweigh the disadvantage.

The only significant disadvantage is that you have a smaller margin for error on your serve. You have to put more arch on your serve to clear the net and bring the ball into the service box. I've seen guys smaller than you who can crank kick serves that hit the back fence 5+ feet high. The whole premise that you won't be able to handle higher bouncing groundstrokes is pure B.S.

The advantage is that, all other things being equal, you can move better, you have a quicker first step, and you can change direction quicker, than someone bigger than you.

Fuji
01-27-2012, 08:55 PM
I disagree, even just three inches matters. The reason you don't notice a difference is because you grew gradually over the course of several years.

If you shrunk 3 inches overnight I'm sure you'd notice. Your serve would have to change, and balls would appear to be bouncing 3 inches higher on every shot. The last point is significant for most players with Eastern grips.

True enough!

I play with an EE grip, so it's pretty well the same for me.

-Fuji

Xizel
01-27-2012, 08:59 PM
The advantage is that, all other things being equal, you can move better, you have a quicker first step, and you can change direction quicker, than someone bigger than you.

That's fine and all, but then you realize you're a shorter guy with a stocky build... :( You can't really lose muscle mass to have a "tennis build."

BevelDevil
01-27-2012, 09:29 PM
5'5" rochus has a 1hbh and he's seemed to do pretty well for himself

btw, he uses an Eastern hammer grip, thumb on the outside and knuckles more lined up than on a standard Eastern.

formula16
01-27-2012, 09:53 PM
should i change to a 2hbh because of height? Ive been using a 1hbh for 2 years but i dont feel it would be that hard to change to a 2hbh as it feels quite natural to me.

I would do it if it benefits me in the long run

BevelDevil
01-27-2012, 10:27 PM
Don't change because of height. You should have a real reason.

Try the EE grip and the video. If you're still dissatisfied, then perhaps a 2hbh is for you.

Ducker
01-27-2012, 10:56 PM
HOw can you say height isnt a real reason. There are not many better reasons that physical ones.

Anyway, No i dont think you should change. You should change however if you find that 2hnd is a more natural motion for you. Use which ever of the 2 feels best height will be less important if you listen to my advice right now and pick the most comfortably stroke, the one that you enjoy the most.

I strongly encourage you do something so that your backhand is something you enjoy just as much as your forehand.

dominikk1985
01-28-2012, 08:02 AM
I'm 5'9. I use a 1hbh. Should i switch to a two hander alot more balls will be high for me and a two hander is better for high balls.

Also, I am an aggressive player naturally but since i am short, should i try to be more of a counter puncher? I naturally want to go for shots and finish points on my terms.

ever heard of olivier rochus?

he uses a one hander and doesn't play like a pusher.

LeeD
01-30-2012, 11:49 AM
ONLY you can tell you to change your grip, racket, shoes, or whatever.
If you constantly face high bouncing balls that you have trouble handling, switching is one alternative. The other is ....get better.