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hoodjem
01-28-2012, 06:26 AM
I love Dunlop racquets, but I cannot stand their inconsistent use of terminology.

It is damned confusing.

Tour--does this mean a heavier racquet?
With the 200 Tour it means 12.5 ounces, with a more open pattern of 16 x18. With the 300 Tour it means 11.3 oz. but a denser 18 x 20 pattern. With the 500 Tour and the 600 Tour it is 11 oz. Is 11 oz. heavy?

Lite--does this mean a lighter weight racquet?
With the 200 Lite it means 11.5 oz. With the Bio 400 Lite it means 10.1 oz. With the 400 Lite it means 10.1 oz, with the 600 Lite it means 10.01 oz. Do you consider 11.5 oz. "Lite"?

Plus--does this mean a longer racquet?
All the other Bio 500s are 95 sq. in, but with the Bio 200 Plus it means 100 sq. in. and standard length. With the Bio 500 Plus it means a 110 sq. in head and a 16 x 19 pattern and standard length, but the Bio 700 is 110 sq. in head 16 x19, 27.25 length.

Aarrrggghhh!!!

Bigtime
01-28-2012, 06:37 AM
Good point!

Probably because they are letting corporate marketing "genius(es)" who don't play tennis work on their teminology?

Bigtime
01-28-2012, 06:40 AM
Hey, that makes me glad I prefer 4D100! No Lite, Tour or Plus-just one model. Yay!:)

Automatix
01-28-2012, 06:57 AM
Tour--does this mean a heavier racquet?
With the 200 Tour it means 12.5 ounces, with a more open pattern of 16 x18. With the 300 Tour it means 11.3 oz. but an denser 18 x 20 pattern. Heavier than the standard model (200 vs 200 Tour only)

Lite--does this mean a lighter weight racquet?
With the 200 Lite it means 11.5 oz. With the Bio 400 Lite it means 10.1 oz. With the 400 Lite it means 10.1 oz, with the 600 Lite it means 10.01 oz. Do you consider 11.5 oz. "Lite"? Lite, that means it is lighter than the standard model (200 vs 200 Lite only)

Plus--does this mean a longer racquet?
All the other Bio 500s are 95 sq. in, but with the Bio 200 Plus it means 100 sq. in. and standard length. With the Bio 500 Plus it means a 110 sq. in head and a 16 x 19 pattern and standard length, but the Bio 700 is 110 sq. in head 16 x19, 27.25 length. Plus - bigger headsize than the standard model. (500 vs 500 Plus only or another example 200 vs 200 Plus only)

Weight only within one "line" (200, 300, 400 etc.):
Tour > Standard > Lite

bad_call
01-28-2012, 07:01 AM
Hey, that makes me glad I prefer 4D100! No Lite, Tour or Plus-just one model. Yay!:)

same for this player (tho the AG100 is proving worthy). think their marketing department needs to get out and play with the racquets a bit more before naming them...or send them to me for play testing as an unbiased tennis consultant.

DFTBT....haha

pshulam
01-28-2012, 07:04 AM
I love Dunlop racquets, but I cannot stand their inconsistent use of terminology.

It is damned confusing.

Tour--does this mean a heavier racquet?
With the 200 Tour it means 12.5 ounces, with a more open pattern of 16 x18. With the 300 Tour it means 11.3 oz. but a denser 18 x 20 pattern. With the 500 Tour and the 600 Tour it is 11 oz. Is 11 oz. heavy?

Lite--does this mean a lighter weight racquet?
With the 200 Lite it means 11.5 oz. With the Bio 400 Lite it means 10.1 oz. With the 400 Lite it means 10.1 oz, with the 600 Lite it means 10.01 oz. Do you consider 11.5 oz. "Lite"?

Plus--does this mean a longer racquet?
All the other Bio 500s are 95 sq. in, but with the Bio 200 Plus it means 100 sq. in. and standard length. With the Bio 500 Plus it means a 110 sq. in head and a 16 x 19 pattern and standard length, but the Bio 700 is 110 sq. in head 16 x19, 27.25 length.

Aarrrggghhh!!!
comparisons should be made in the same series.
As an example, a 200 tour is heavier than a 200 while a 300 Tour is heavier than a 300.

Automatix
01-28-2012, 07:09 AM
comparisons should be made in the same series.
As an example, a 200 tour is heavier than a 200 while a 300 Tour is heavier than a 300. Exactly....................

hoodjem
01-28-2012, 01:00 PM
Okay. But then why do they make a more open string pattern on some of the Tour models, and a more closed one on others?

200 Tour 95 sq. in. (16 x 18 ) 12.5 oz more open
200 95 sq. in. (18 x 20) 11.9 oz more closed

300 Tour 98 sq. in. (18 x 20) 11.3 oz more closed
300 98 sq. in. (16 x 19) 10.9 oz more open

300 Tour 100 sq. in. (16 x 18 ) 11 oz more open
300 100 sq. in. (16 x 18 ) 10.3 oz more open

Automatix
01-28-2012, 01:14 PM
Because string pattern is about preference not the difficulty.

netguy
01-29-2012, 07:26 AM
Head size, strung weight and swingweight are the three more important variables I look at in a racquet. I don't care about the marketing/terminology or different lines of racquets a particular brand uses.

ollinger
01-29-2012, 08:06 AM
Get yourself a Juice or a Steam. At least those names are helpful, as juice is denser and more substantial than steam.

yellowoctopus
01-30-2012, 12:05 PM
Get yourself a Juice or a Steam. At least those names are helpful, as juice is denser and more substantial than steam.

Please tell me you are being sarcastic about this.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VUKICws-NEc/TIyjV5MSNTI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/iY0u7gp00xo/s1600/steam+juicer.gif

li0scc0
01-30-2012, 12:13 PM
Lite means lighter than regular. The 600 lite is lighter than the 600.
Tour means heavier than the regular. The 500 Tour is heavier than the 500.

My beef with Dunlop is they have far too many racquets, their line is too confusing. Plus how many racquets with Swingweights around 300-310 can you offer?

LeeD
01-30-2012, 12:51 PM
Seems pretty logical to me.
I have 2 Mfil200's and a Aero.
3 Aero500's.
Everything is as should be.

stormholloway
01-30-2012, 05:09 PM
What I don't get is that they sell a 90, but don't have it in a Tour version, so what is normally the flagship model gets relegated to being way too light.

LeeD
01-30-2012, 05:13 PM
Wrong thinking.
Dunlop 100, while a 90, is the smallest they make, not the "flagship" you mention.
200 is the flagship, count the total # of different models of 200's now out.

stormholloway
01-31-2012, 09:34 PM
Wrong thinking.
Dunlop 100, while a 90, is the smallest they make, not the "flagship" you mention.
200 is the flagship, count the total # of different models of 200's now out.

What I mean is, for companies that make 90s, the 90 is the flagship. Not the case with Dunlop.

mmk
02-01-2012, 12:22 AM
I just wish they'd bring back a 27.5" 200 with 16 mains. My hotmelt 200G XLs won't last forever. And even though they are eXtra Length, the XL stands for eXtra Light. Although at 11.3 oz strung it really wasn't extra light, just lighter than the 200G.

LeeD
02-01-2012, 10:03 AM
We can never go bacik, and what we went back to, will never be the same.