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guitarplayer
01-29-2012, 07:12 PM
Man, the way he played, so much power and control....it must be the frame...it couldn't be me and my average skills!

drakulie
01-29-2012, 07:17 PM
he's not even using one.

Still, the speed is a very good racquet.

Timbo's hopeless slice
01-29-2012, 07:18 PM
the sad reality is there will be thousands of people out there who will think exactly that and race out and buy one of the things..

Not that they are bad frames or anything, but a) I doubt Djoker's is anything like a retail one anyway and b) they are stiff and demanding pieces of kit for anyone, let alone the sort of person who would be most influenced by the marketing...

ArliHawk
01-29-2012, 07:21 PM
For most recreational players, the APDGT would be a much better choice. Even if it is the loser's racket.

roundiesee
01-29-2012, 07:26 PM
Why not just get both the Speed and the APDGT? :) After 6 plus hours of tennis, the difference between the 2 of them were miniscule.

vsbabolat
01-29-2012, 07:29 PM
Man, the way he played, so much power and control....it must be the frame...it couldn't be me and my average skills!

Buy a HEAD Radical MP it's actually a lot closer to what Djokovic uses. At the very least you will have the right mold of his actual frame.

Timbo's hopeless slice
01-29-2012, 07:33 PM
Buy a HEAD Radical MP it's actually a lot closer to what Djokovic uses. At the very least you will have the right mold of his actual frame.

GP was kidding..

TennisMaverick
01-29-2012, 07:35 PM
Buy a HEAD Radical MP it's actually a lot closer to what Djokovic uses. At the very least you will have the right mold of his actual frame.

What is he actually using?

Beam width?
Head size?

vsbabolat
01-29-2012, 07:41 PM
What is he actually using?

Beam width?
Head size?

Radical MP Mold with his own custom lay-up.

guitarplayer
01-29-2012, 07:42 PM
GP was kidding..

True...and I'll bet there were people going into sporting goods stores today asking......do you have the racquet that XXXXX uses?

TennisMaverick
01-29-2012, 07:51 PM
Radical MP Mold with his own custom lay-up.

But isn't it a teardrop shaped head?

Is the beam width the same as the Radical?

klementine
01-29-2012, 08:05 PM
I realize that the radical is closer to Djoko's frame but the racquet he's using seems slightly bigger to me and with a more open 18x20 string pattern.

For example, I look at Murray's, Soderling's and Haas' 98sq.in. Head frames and they really look like Head 98sq.in. frames. A familiar sight, that classic 95sq.in. that Head measures as 98.

Djoko's looks bigger to me. Maybe I'm off on this.

Fed Kennedy
01-29-2012, 08:20 PM
After watching the final i want to put 3 grams on my racquet...nadal was repeatedly bombing 100mph fhs

Bartelby
01-29-2012, 08:24 PM
White opens up space; orange has a greater tendency to close it.



I realize that the radical is closer to Djoko's frame but the racquet he's using seems slightly bigger to me and with a more open 18x20 string pattern.

For example, I look at Murray's, Soderling's and Haas' 98sq.in. Head frames and they really look like Head 98sq.in. frames. A familiar sight, that classic 95sq.in. that Head measures as 98.

Djoko's looks bigger to me. Maybe I'm off on this.

PaulFCB
01-29-2012, 08:25 PM
Still, the speed is a very good racquet.

Is it? I was actually thinking of an 18x20 and the IG Speed was one of them...

klementine
01-29-2012, 08:27 PM
^ I thought that color might have something to do with it. But something still doesn't seem right.

There's a picture of Novak's frame in the pro gear section....

zapvor
01-29-2012, 08:29 PM
^ I thought that color might have something to do with it. But something still doesn't seem right.

There's a picture of Novak's frame in the pro gear section....

you are in the MAC!

gregor.b
01-29-2012, 08:29 PM
The beam width in the upper hoop looks way wider than either the Radical or Speed.

Adidas_Anderson
01-29-2012, 08:31 PM
i wish there is a prostock of noles racket with same paintjob and specs for sale...
closet i see is a IG Speed pro mold

klementine
01-29-2012, 08:31 PM
ALL CREDIT FOR THE PICS GO TO Fabfed.

http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz58/Fabfed/NoleR3.jpg

To me it looks like a true 98, like the blade98 and not the 95sq.in. that is a radical.

klementine
01-29-2012, 08:34 PM
you are in the MAC!

Yup. Back home after many years abroad. I'll be out of tennis for awhile though. Next thursday shoulder surgery, hockey injury.

Once I get better, I'm looking to hit and hang with some people from the MAC.

gregor.b
01-29-2012, 08:36 PM
ALL CREDIT FOR THE PICS GO TO Fabfed.

http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz58/Fabfed/NoleR3.jpg

To me it looks like a true 98, like the blade98 and not the 95sq.in. that is a radical.

I have a couple of the N Blade 98's and they don't look that shape. They look a little rounder in the head.

klementine
01-29-2012, 08:39 PM
AGAIN, ALL CREDIT TO Fabfed, ORIGINALLY POSTED BY HIM UNDER 'PRO'S GEAR SECTION'.

http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz58/Fabfed/NoleR15.jpg

Djoko's sticking sitting next to a retail Speed. Again, to me Novak's stick looks bigger than a Radical and definitely has a more open 18x20 pattern. The Radical is one of denser frames out there, especially in the center. Djoko's stick looks more evenly distributed. It's a little smaller and less oval than the Speed retail.

vsbabolat
01-29-2012, 09:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^
That is the Radical MP Mold and drill pattern. I'm 200% certain of this. Plus I have other reasons as well.

klementine
01-29-2012, 09:24 PM
^ I'll take your word for it VS. :smile:

It would've been nice if Fabfed got a hold of that radical to post side-by-sides, like he said he would but he has posted many gems in the past 2 years, so I'm not complaining.

If they made a radical with a more open 18x20 pattern, like Djoko's, I would be in racquet-nirvana.

EDIT: Wait,what! VS? You're saying that it's the same drill pattern too.. really?! Have they changed the drill patterns from the i.rad/lm lines to the mg/yt? I played with a radical about two months and remember marveling at how dense it was in the center, gradually opening up as it moved away from the sweetspot. Djoko's looks really well distributed, with slight variation as you move away from the sweetspot.

Cup8489
01-29-2012, 10:07 PM
^ I'll take your word for it VS. :smile:

It would've been nice if Fabfed got a hold of that radical to post side-by-sides, like he said he would but he has posted many gems in the past 2 years, so I'm not complaining.

If they made a radical with a more open 18x20 pattern, like Djoko's, I would be in racquet-nirvana.

EDIT: Wait,what! VS? You're saying that it's the same drill pattern too.. really?! Have they changed the drill patterns from the i.rad/lm lines to the mg/yt? I played with a radical about two months and remember marveling at how dense it was in the center, gradually opening up as it moved away from the sweetspot. Djoko's looks really well distributed, with slight variation as you move away from the sweetspot.

Djokovic originally used the LM Radical. I can't speak on the drill patterns of the i.rad, but to my amateur eye, comparing this frame to my MG Radical MP (presently sitting in front of me on the desk) the string pattern is identical. It looks like a Radical to me.. I only wish I could get that paintjob on mine!

klementine
01-29-2012, 10:16 PM
^ Well, it appears my memory doesn't serve me as well as I would like to think. It probably is the same drill pattern, it could be that the MgRad I played with a couple of months ago was strung with 16g strings.

Djoko's LmRad was capped was it not? Sure explains the lead on the inside of the frame, mimicking cap grommets.

klementine
01-29-2012, 10:21 PM
Which prompts me to ask.

Has anyone tried cap'ng an IGRad yet?

TW has the beam a bit thicker than the Mg and Yt Rad.

The MgRad was torture to cap (I almost succeeded) and from what I've read, the Yt was a bit tougher. The IG could be even yet more difficult.

Maybe a separate thread would help with that one.

KenC
01-29-2012, 11:31 PM
Come on guys, we all know the player makes the racquet and not vice versa. The real reason Djokovic is on fire now obviously has to be because of Sergio Tacchini clothing. Obviously Sergio Tacchini is better than Nike and will take your game to the next level. Of course we have to also consider the Adidas shoes in the mix. Maybe what will take us all to the next level is the combination of ST clothes and Adidas footwear?

Ashanti
01-29-2012, 11:44 PM
a guy came to git at my college and had the head ig speed pro thats only being sold in europe this racket was amazing and i belive it was 98 head size this may be close to what he is using case its nothing like the horrible youtek version.

JGads
01-29-2012, 11:46 PM
Come on guys, we all know the player makes the racquet and not vice versa. The real reason Djokovic is on fire now obviously has to be because of Sergio Tacchini clothing. Obviously Sergio Tacchini is better than Nike and will take your game to the next level. Of course we have to also consider the Adidas shoes in the mix. Maybe what will take us all to the next level is the combination of ST clothes and Adidas footwear?

That black ST track jacket would most certainly take my game to the next level. I'm sure of it and wish TW would make that one available here. The spilled-ketchup-and-mayo polos (copyright FedKennedy), though, I'm not so sure.

Really must be an optical illusion with the bright white frame, because I agree, it always looks like he's swinging a frame that's slightly larger than the Radical MP. I trust that it is the same mold, but the white really does make it look bigger.

Ashanti
01-29-2012, 11:51 PM
a guy came to git at my college and had the head ig speed pro thats only being sold in europe this racket was amazing and i belive it was 98 head size this may be close to what he is using case its nothing like the horrible youtek version.


HEAD IG YOUTEK SPEED PRO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f05HN_VEZTY

frunk
01-29-2012, 11:52 PM
a guy came to git at my college and had the head ig speed pro thats only being sold in europe this racket was amazing and i belive it was 98 head size this may be close to what he is using case its nothing like the horrible youtek version.

The Speed IG Pro is a 98sqin 16x19. Wayyyyyyy too much power for my taste and I strung it up REALLY tight for more control. I think 70 with BHBR 17 and Gamma Livewire 16.

I'm importing all the black AO gear from TWE. I'll post pictures when it arrives in a week or so!

vsbabolat
01-30-2012, 05:45 AM
^ Well, it appears my memory doesn't serve me as well as I would like to think. It probably is the same drill pattern, it could be that the MgRad I played with a couple of months ago was strung with 16g strings.

Djoko's LmRad was capped was it not? Sure explains the lead on the inside of the frame, mimicking cap grommets.

He never used CAP grommets on his LM Radical MP.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/56063200.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Djokovic_2005_US_Open_1.jpg

Meaghan
01-30-2012, 06:07 AM
I always thought it was closer to the radical tour twin tube (think its the same mold as a pt630, which felt a lot squarer in the throat than the modern radicals....(??)

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab44/rmeaghan/RIMG0006-1-1.jpg

Nostradamus
01-30-2012, 06:13 AM
the sad reality is there will be thousands of people out there who will think exactly that and race out and buy one of the things..

Not that they are bad frames or anything, but a) I doubt Djoker's is anything like a retail one anyway and b) they are stiff and demanding pieces of kit for anyone, let alone the sort of person who would be most influenced by the marketing...

That is the entire idea of marketing. and HEAD will probably sell > 100,000 frames after this match worldwide. and these people will think they can beat Nadal in 5 set match. Isn't that wonderful ?

Nostradamus
01-30-2012, 06:16 AM
What is Novak's racket really made out of ? Graphite composite only ? or did they really add some youtek material in there too ?

vsbabolat
01-30-2012, 06:24 AM
I always thought it was closer to the radical tour twin tube (think its the same mold as a pt630, which felt a lot squarer in the throat than the modern radicals....(??)

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab44/rmeaghan/RIMG0006-1-1.jpg

No. Nole uses the modern Radical MP Mold that is pre Youtek. He does not use PT630/RTtt630 (PT57A) mold.

Yourtenniscoach
01-30-2012, 06:35 AM
So really, if someone had some crazy painting skills, they could take a MG Radical and paint it to look like IG Radical you've have a cloned look-alike copy of the frame!

vsbabolat
01-30-2012, 06:49 AM
So really, if someone had some crazy painting skills, they could take a MG Radical and paint it to look like IG Radical you've have a cloned look-alike copy of the frame!

You've got it.

KenC
01-30-2012, 08:41 AM
That is the entire idea of marketing. and HEAD will probably sell > 100,000 frames after this match worldwide. and these people will think they can beat Nadal in 5 set match. Isn't that wonderful ?

And how many APDGTs has Babolat sold because of Nadal? How many people are convinced the APDGT is specifically designed to give all the topspin that Nadal gets? 99.9% of the tennis playing population wouldn't be able to generate any more spin with the APDGT than they can with the PDGT but swear they are getting twice as much with the APDGT. That's the power of marketing, product placement and endorsements.

Even more sad is when a new version of a racquet is released all of of a sudden the previous version isn't that great and they feel compelled to "upgrade" to what often is just a new cosmetic. This happened with the Pure Storm line recently, but it didn't stop many people from seriously believing there was something noticeably different in feel and playability from the previous version, even if TW clearly stated that nothing has changed except the paint job.

Some people really need to unplug from the matrix for awhile.

Ashanti
01-30-2012, 11:43 AM
I agree with most of you on the whole marketing front even if djokovic handed you a racket from his bag you thats not gonna empower you to go beat nadal or any other top 100 players. basically these days most pros rackets are there own creation they get a basic racket and customize the hell out of it so instead of buying a frame of a grand slam winner find a frame thats right for you and try customizing it as you grow definatly save u money from buying new frame every other year

JoelDali
01-30-2012, 11:58 AM
This match and Joker's equipment influence has caused many rec players to instantly increase their NTRP level by .5.

I know several 3.5ers who are now mid range 4.0 just after watching this match and merely contemplating switching to a customized Radical MP.

I think I compare this to when Dunlop introduced the Maxply Mcenroe and caused Borg whoars to get off the baseline and wear Tachini, thrusting them from 4.0 to 4.5 with a more agressive S+V game.

Insane how it all works. Influence and marekting.

grass_hopper
01-30-2012, 12:03 PM
get in shape guys, tennis is much more fun when running down the ball and hitting on the rise.

Fed Kennedy
01-30-2012, 12:20 PM
If I recall correctly from fabfeds awesome thread, djokovics frame is an absolute tree branch something in the neighborhood of 370+ swingweight around 2pts hl with a bigtime static weight.
So basically to mimic this you need to get a radical mp and then duct tape another radical mp on top of it to get the djoker ball.

Rabbit
01-30-2012, 12:38 PM
And, what's this? Djokovic is also using a full bed of TF Bi-Phase as well? No poly? how can that be? All pros were supposed to have to play with poly to get that kind of spin and/or control... ;)

li0scc0
01-30-2012, 12:40 PM
the sad reality is there will be thousands of people out there who will think exactly that and race out and buy one of the things..

.

The average fan does not care about Djokovic. "His" Head racquets haven't exactly been flying off the shelves. Babolat sells, plain and simple. And a lot of Wilson's, as well (the Fed effect).

Fed Kennedy
01-30-2012, 12:54 PM
And, what's this? Djokovic is also using a full bed of TF Bi-Phase as well? No poly? how can that be? All pros were supposed to have to play with poly to get that kind of spin and/or control... ;)

Djoko uses champions choice. He is a total *******.

Yourtenniscoach
01-30-2012, 12:56 PM
I'm afraid many people will suffer when they pick up jokers frame. I'm not super picky about my frames but just couldn't get the hang of it at all. I've played with Prestiges, Radicals & Pure Drives w/out issue, Speed was a whole different animal.

evanjj
01-30-2012, 02:12 PM
Djoko uses champions choice. He is a total *******.

Close. Gut mains and Alu Power crosses I believe. Not Alu Rough. :)

LeeD
01-30-2012, 02:19 PM
For everyone, it's just as well to imitate DJ's shoes as anything else.

corners
01-30-2012, 08:17 PM
And, what's this? Djokovic is also using a full bed of TF Bi-Phase as well? No poly? how can that be? All pros were supposed to have to play with poly to get that kind of spin and/or control... ;)

He switched to poly/gut in early 2007, the year he broke through against Fed in Montreal and made his first GS final in NY. He later switched to gut/poly, but I'm not sure when. Nice try Rabbit. ;-)

klementine
01-30-2012, 08:28 PM
I've cut glucose, cortex and basalt from my diet. Ordered 6 IG Speeds and am already breathing better.

Next on my list?... Egg Shaped Sleep Chambers.

corners
01-30-2012, 08:39 PM
I've cut glucose, cortex and basalt from my diet. Ordered 6 IG Speeds and am already breathing better.

Next on my list?... Egg Shaped Sleep Chambers.

Don't forget your SCIO and mystery nuggets!

klementine
01-30-2012, 08:45 PM
^ Yes.

And an overly enthusiastic Serbian girlfriend screaming in my ear wouldn't hurt either.

Ashanti
01-30-2012, 09:04 PM
The average fan does not care about Djokovic. "His" Head racquets haven't exactly been flying off the shelves. Babolat sells, plain and simple. And a lot of Wilson's, as well (the Fed effect).

your right the speed line has been out for awhile and not really selling as well as babolat wilson and other head lines like the prestige and radical guess players are choosing whats good for them these days and not off of whos number one

drakulie
01-30-2012, 09:21 PM
The average fan does not care about Djokovic. "His" Head racquets haven't exactly been flying off the shelves. Babolat sells, plain and simple. And a lot of Wilson's, as well (the Fed effect).

at the shop I work at, and another shop not too fay away, we can't keep them in stock.

li0scc0
02-06-2012, 06:07 PM
at the shop I work at, and another shop not too fay away, we can't keep them in stock.

Really? I believe you, of course, but I have never seen a 'Djokovic' racquet. Speed line never sold, so the local shops don't even both to carry them (but they DO sell Radicals and Prestiges and Extremes!)

user92626
02-07-2012, 11:16 AM
People are so cynical these days that they think getting pros' rackets is sad. IMO, it's actually the opposite. It's a lot of fun which as far as recreational tennis can be defined if there's ever an objective or something that most people can agree on.

My first racket from 2008 was apdc, because Nadal looked and still does very upbeat and inspirational. It's still in my bag along with other Babs, but I've decided to focus solely on my pair of Speeds. None of these rackets are terribly different.

I'm not sure if players make the rackets. I bought all mine :) LOL If anything rackets make the player I am today. Without Nadal, Djokovic and certainly the joy of various rackets, my tennis would probably have gone out in a flame, or at least not as "healthy" as it is now. :)

thug the bunny
02-07-2012, 11:37 AM
Alright, I admit I first eyeballed the Speed line because of Djoko, but the ultimate selling points were the specs and the $90 price tag of the Speed Pro. For 90$ I would give a racket with a triangular head a try.

But I'm really glad I got the SP. It's my 2nd fav right behind my KPS88.

TimothyO
02-07-2012, 12:28 PM
I use the Speed 300 and I get sick of people seeing it and assuming I bought "The Djokovic Racquet". Very annoying.

corners
02-07-2012, 12:36 PM
I use the Speed 300 and I get sick of people seeing it and assuming I bought "The Djokovic Racquet". Very annoying.

No kidding. I'm intrigued by the IG Speed Elite, which has a very bdasas-looking TWU power map and would spec out nice with silicone in the handle, but the Djoker paintjob...can't go there.

user92626
02-07-2012, 01:15 PM
Again, I don't understand why people are annoyed or shameful about the pros association factor. I guess my ego and confidence is healthier than expected.

corner, you should give the Elite a good chance. I got a pair of it, pre-IG, when they went on sale. I put blue tac stuff in the handle, and they feel very solid at the weight I want. I had a stock form RAdical before and I think this modded elite is better. For some reason, the elite feels larger and more nimble than my apd and pdgt.

Yourtenniscoach
02-07-2012, 01:55 PM
No kidding. I'm intrigued by the IG Speed Elite, which has a very bdasas-looking TWU power map and would spec out nice with silicone in the handle, but the Djoker paintjob...can't go there.

Are you saying you can't do the IG Speed Elite because it has Djokovic's PJ? That's as dumb as someone buying a racquet just because it is the "same" racquet that someone else uses.

corners
02-07-2012, 02:00 PM
Again, I don't understand why people are annoyed or shameful about the pros association factor. I guess my ego and confidence is healthier than expected.

corner, you should give the Elite a good chance. I got a pair of it, pre-IG, when they went on sale. I put blue tac stuff in the handle, and they feel very solid at the weight I want. I had a stock form RAdical before and I think this modded elite is better. For some reason, the elite feels larger and more nimble than my apd and pdgt.

Yeah, your ego is in great shape. Thanks for the feedback on the Elite.

TimothyO
02-07-2012, 02:33 PM
Again, I don't understand why people are annoyed or shameful about the pros association factor. I guess my ego and confidence is healthier than expected.

corner, you should give the Elite a good chance. I got a pair of it, pre-IG, when they went on sale. I put blue tac stuff in the handle, and they feel very solid at the weight I want. I had a stock form RAdical before and I think this modded elite is better. For some reason, the elite feels larger and more nimble than my apd and pdgt.

I guess I fins it annoying because it's a little insulting imo. It says that you're buying a frame strictly because Joe Pro uses it.

I've spent plenty of time and money figuring out what I like and pro choices have nothing to do with my decision (besides, we know guys like Djokovic don't use retail frames). Not only do I carefuuly select frames by checking weight and balance before buying I also mod to my preferences.

Yeah, I guess it's just a little insulting.

user92626
02-07-2012, 03:54 PM
Tim,

I suppose when you assume that people strictly base their racket choice on pro's, then it can be annoying. I don't know any person like that. Most people, including me, chose the rackets from observing pros plus the fact that the rackets work for our game to keep on using.

TimothyO
02-07-2012, 07:58 PM
People do in fact choose frames based solely on Pro usage. Retailers here in Atlanta have told me they routinely have people come in their shops asking for "the racquet Nadal uses". If this didn't happen then manufacturers wouldn't pay pros obscene amounts of money to "endorse" their racquets or go through the trouble of painting frames with new paint jobs.

There's a reason Head provides Djokovic with frames painted to match the latest retail versions of their products: because lots of people DO want use "his frame". And the vast, vast majority of players will never visit TT and will never know he doesn't use a retail frame.

I guess that I don't like being lumped together with them.

toedragger
02-07-2012, 08:11 PM
I play, and absolutely love the IG Speed 18x20. And, I'm NOT a Djokovic fan - not one single bit.

Novak is an amazing athlete, no doubt about it. But not a fan.

Play what works. Play it as often as possible.

user92626
02-08-2012, 10:05 AM
Tim,

YOu missed my point. Pro's endorsements bring awareness to rackets that are already quality and very useable by the public. Many people here, like toedragger, got their rackets, whether because of the pro or not, but no harm done if because of pro. But people certainly do not pick a god forsaken, completely unknown racket which is worse than going by some ideas.

TimothyO
02-08-2012, 10:25 AM
Tim,

YOu missed my point. Pro's endorsements bring awareness to rackets that are already quality and very useable by the public. Many people here, like toedragger, got their rackets, whether because of the pro or not, but no harm done if because of pro. But people certainly do not pick a god forsaken, completely unknown racket which is worse than going by some ideas.

My favorite pie is cherry pie. Especially the kind with crumbles on top!

user92626
02-08-2012, 10:33 AM
hehe, Tim

I'm getting brainfreeze from this kind of "debate", too. Hmm...what to get for lunch? Always difficult choice. :)

dman72
02-08-2012, 11:38 AM
Bottom line is that the racquet companies and players are lying to the public. Despite that fact that it's been going on forever, it's still wrong.

TimothyO
02-08-2012, 02:59 PM
hehe, Tim

I'm getting brainfreeze from this kind of "debate", too. Hmm...what to get for lunch? Always difficult choice. :)

:)

Ate at Moe's today! Veggie burrito in a bowel.

user92626
02-08-2012, 03:57 PM
I had a carne asada burrito earlier. Wasn't that good. A bit salty and strange taste. :(

dman72
02-08-2012, 04:02 PM
I had a chipotle chicken bowl. Pretty damn good.

li0scc0
02-10-2012, 10:38 AM
:)

Ate at Moe's today! Veggie burrito in a bowel.

Yikes! I hope that bowel was cooked, otherwise the bacteria count was likely off the charts! Ecoli anyone?

toedragger
02-10-2012, 11:00 AM
I had pasta tossed with sauteed shrimp, and a little spice - cause that's what Rafa eats...