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RiosTheGenius
07-20-2005, 09:34 PM
I decided to post this because I've been thinking a lot about Juan Monaco. I had the pleasure to see this guy play at the US open in 2004 in a first round match against his countryman Gaston Gaudio at the cozy grandstand. I didn't know anything about him other than seeing his name randomly in draws here and there. I must say I was very impressed by his game --- must consider that the same day I had seen Federer, Moya and other great players so my standards were pretty high by the time the Gaudio's match started. but instead I was surprised by the talent of this guy Juan Monaco. at that point I really thought I was being the witness of the beginning of a new legend (I'm not kidding you, he played that good that night.)
but to date Monaco's done nothing but make the habit of losing in first round at pretty much every tournament except for one final he lost badly to Puerta this year.
has anyone in this forum seen someone who you thought was going to win big and never did anything?.... or, is anyone here familiar with Juan Monaco?

Dr.Lobster
07-20-2005, 09:35 PM
i have no idea who he is, but i'll be sure to look out for him now

Capt. Willie
07-20-2005, 10:07 PM
No...but Kelly Monaco is HOT!

RiosTheGenius
07-21-2005, 06:15 AM
Kelly Monaco doesn't play tennis your tool.

Babblelot
07-21-2005, 07:15 AM
Excellent thread! (...I had thought about starting this myself)

Mark Philippoussis (yeah, 2 slam finals, but very frail)
Tommy Haas (Germany...one of my all-time favs, but the injuries!!!!
Xavier Malisse (Belgium)
Andreas Vinciguerra (Sweden)
Fernando Vicente (Spain)
Taylor Dent (USA...fat slob)
Mardy Fish (USA)
Jan-Michael Gambill (USA-buster!)
Nadia Petrova (Russia...baffling)
Elena Dementieva (Russia...not with that serve)
Amelie Mauresmo (France...I didn't expect nerves to dominate her career)
hmmm....

gugafanatic
07-21-2005, 07:20 AM
Demntieva, Mauresmo, Scud are all accomplished players who have achieved titles and had a good run in grand slams. You have simply listed players that have perhaps underachieved thus far.

atatu
07-21-2005, 07:28 AM
Anyone remember the name of that Spanish guy who won a Masters Series (Hamburg ?) event about five years ago, coming out of nowhere, only to disappear never to be seen again ? It's bugging me now....

Babblelot
07-21-2005, 07:32 AM
Demntieva, Mauresmo, Scud are all accomplished players who have achieved titles and had a good run in grand slams. You have simply listed players that have perhaps underachieved thus far.
Yeah, well, if you're a betting man (like myself), you've lost a lot o' dough over the years on these... "underachievers." :|

Though reaching two slam finals, Dementieva has no tier 1 titles to her credit...and that serve! (though I will go as far as stating that it is improving).

Kaptain Karl
07-21-2005, 07:53 AM
Back in the 70's there was this kid named Arias, who was making fools of grown men ... at age 12. Who knew he was going to be plagued with injury....

(Then there was this guy from my part of Upstate NY, who would tell anyone about how "in Juniors, I was the Upstate kid; McEnroe was the downstate kid. I simply chose NOT to pursue Pro tennis." ...Which was a load of fertilizer. Maybe he'd been competitive with Mac in the Under 12s ... but NO WAY would he have made it in the Pros with his game.)

- KK

GRANITECHIEF
07-21-2005, 08:09 AM
I saw Ivo Minar (CZE) play in Sidney this year, getting to the finals with wins over some good players before being beaten by Hewitt. He had a great looking game and was a real hustler.

I thought he would start a rapid ascent up the rankings after that but has only moved up a little bit. Maybe his rise is still pending. I believe he's still alive the one of the ATP tourneys this week.

I think Sam Querry (junior from CA) will do very well, better than Donald Young.

drp2345
07-21-2005, 08:28 AM
During the Australian and the French Open of 2004 before Sharapova was really known, I remember seeing her play and was amazed at how good she was. I knew she was gonna be good. For the future I think that Elena Dementieva will be amazing if she works on her mental and serve, and w/e specifically it is that she needs to get over. Off the ground she already is amazing. I saw her beat Mauresmo at the US Open and I remember thinking WOW!

Kevin Patrick
07-21-2005, 08:47 AM
atatu,
that was Roberto Carretero. truly fell off the radar after a very impressive hamburg win. Or are you thinking of Portas? hamburg has had some surprise winners.

I thought Arazi & Escude would have better careers than they did. They certainly had the talent.

Babblelot
07-21-2005, 09:15 AM
Escude
Nice catch! He should have been on my list.

rafael
07-21-2005, 09:28 AM
Recently I thought Takao Suzuki would have a break out year after his display against Federer at the Australian Open. That was probably one of my favorite matches and showed me what serve and volley should be like but very few players are capable of playing at that level.

Andy Hewitt
07-21-2005, 09:54 AM
No...but Kelly Monaco is HOT!
Lol wow... google and you get MANY nude pictures. Oh and you're right.

Babblelot
07-21-2005, 10:09 AM
I decided to post this because I've been thinking a lot about Juan Monaco. I had the pleasure to see this guy play at the US open in 2004 in a first round match against his countryman Gaston Gaudio at the cozy grandstand. I didn't know anything about him other than seeing his name randomly in draws here and there.

Tomas Zib def. Juan Monaco, 6-4, 7-6 (7-4)

tennissavy
07-21-2005, 10:19 AM
Players I thought were going to be good but instead spiraled downward:

Mirjana Lucic

Ashley Harkelroad(although there is a faint glimmer of hope left for her)

Jelena Dokic

Anna Kournikova

Rainer Schuettler

George Bastl

Mardy Fish

federerhoogenbandfan
07-21-2005, 10:28 AM
Some of the players I thought were going to be more than they turned out:

Tommy Haas
Jan Michael Gambill
Nicholas Mahut
Mikael Youzhny

Women:

Amelie Mauresmo
Mirijana Lucic
Anna Kournikova

Kevin Patrick
07-21-2005, 10:44 AM
Yeah, I remember the hype around Lucic. Wasn't she the 1st player to win her debut event?

I also thought Schnyder would have a big career. She might have, had she not hooked up with that wacked out guy.

Never seen Mahut play, could you give a description of his style of play?

Babblelot
07-21-2005, 10:47 AM
Mirjana Lucic

Jelena Dokic

Lucic was such a blip, I vaugely recall her.

Definitely Dokic.

tennissavy
07-21-2005, 10:53 AM
Lucic was such a blimp, I vaugely recall her.

Definitely Dokic.
I clearly remember Lucic when she beat Hingis at Wimbledon. She was in good shape at that time. She hit the ball harder than most of the guys on tour. She just couldn't control her shots and she was one dimensional. She was like Gonzalez but played even higher risk tennis that him. She was at times making Serena look like she was standing still with the winners thumping past her. The unforced errors killed her game. This is one case of a player never getting beaten by another player but beating herself. Serena loves to make that statement. For her it's false but for Lucic, it's always the case.

Babblelot
07-21-2005, 10:58 AM
I clearly remember Lucic when she beat Hingis at Wimbledon. She was in good shape at that time.
I meant "blip" (on the radar screen), not "blimp."

Ooooops.

lol

Babblelot
07-21-2005, 11:01 AM
She just couldn't control her shots and she was one dimensional. She was like Gonzalez but played even higher risk tennis that him. She was at times making Serena look like she was standing still with the winners thumping past her. The unforced errors killed her game. This is one case of a player never getting beaten by another player but beating herself...for Lucic, it's always the case.
Man, that's the best description of my "game" so far.

:p :p :p

Kevin Patrick
07-21-2005, 11:19 AM
Lucic didn't beat Hingis at Wimbledon. maybe you're thinking of Dokic?

Lucic was a bit of a "blip." I remember her making a very impressive debut year in '97(at only 15?) dropping in '98, playing qualies in '99 & getting to Wimby semis. Think she's been way down since. She did have to deal with perhaps the most blatantly abusive tennis father, though, so not a bad career in light of that.

tennissavy
07-21-2005, 11:28 AM
Lucic didn't beat Hingis at Wimbledon. maybe you're thinking of Dokic?

Lucic was a bit of a "blip." I remember her making a very impressive debut year in '97(at only 15?) dropping in '98, playing qualies in '99 & getting to Wimby semis. Think she's been way down since. She did have to deal with perhaps the most blatantly abusive tennis father, though, so not a bad career in light of that.
Yes, that's right. Dokic beat Hingis not Lucic. However, after Lucic achieved the semi at wimbledon she fell off the face of the earth.

Grimjack
07-21-2005, 12:38 PM
Does anybody remember the name of that REALLY tall East European guy who came on the scene with nothing but a huge serve in about the mid 1980's? He was a less successful Zivojinovic, but with a black-and-white checked Pat Cash headband he wore all the time? He was Karlovic before Karlovic. I think he made a mini-run at a couple USO's or maybe Wimby's.

slice bh compliment
07-21-2005, 01:01 PM
Back in the 70's there was this kid named Arias, who was making fools of grown men ... at age 12. Who knew he was going to be plagued with injury....

(Then there was this guy from my part of Upstate NY, who would tell anyone about how "in Juniors, I was the Upstate kid; McEnroe was the downstate kid. I simply chose NOT to pursue Pro tennis." ...Which was a load of fertilizer. Maybe he'd been competitive with Mac in the Under 12s ... but NO WAY would he have made it in the Pros with his game.)

- KK


Ouch.
Lemme guess, his first name rhymes with Garry.
We thinking of the same guy, Kap?

Kaptain Karl
07-21-2005, 01:16 PM
Ouch.
Lemme guess, his first name rhymes with Garry.
We thinking of the same guy, Kap?Yikes!!!

Are you he? (Your doubles partner was frequently Dr. Dick ________, if so.) And if so, I'm surely glad I didn't name names....

(This Internet is scary sometimes....)

- KK

slice bh compliment
07-21-2005, 01:20 PM
I love threads like this -- everyone with 20/20 hidsight gets a chance to spout off! Selectively.

And have some fun.

Well, seriously, I saw Pete at the Forest Hills WCT event in like 1988 (on Har-Tru). He was playing Mikael Pernfors. Looked like he'd probably win a round or two at a Slam.
I saw Federer on an outside court in the US open junior draw, then a few years later at Roland Garros 2001.

I saw U2 in 1984. Figured they'd be a pretty solid band.
Saw R.E.M. when they played a lot from Murmur.
Liked what I saw in the Beatles, circa 1960. Ditto for the Stones the following summer.
Saw Rachmaninoff before he was Rachmaninoff. Saw Hendrix at a church thing. Felt like he had some talent.

Watched as Fred Perry won a local junior table tennis event. I told him he ought to try tennis.
Saw Big Bill Tilden at a high school match. Kind of weird kid, but a very mature match player.
Little Bill Shakespeare had a good eye for drama back in primary school. Glad he stuck with it.

slice bh compliment
07-21-2005, 01:22 PM
Does anybody remember the name of that REALLY tall East European guy who came on the scene with nothing but a huge serve in about the mid 1980's? He was a less successful Zivojinovic, but with a black-and-white checked Pat Cash headband he wore all the time? He was Karlovic before Karlovic. I think he made a mini-run at a couple USO's or maybe Wimby's.


Hmmmm. Stumper.

Maybe Milan Sjreber?

Slobodan Zivojinovic?

Anyone? Anyone?

slice bh compliment
07-21-2005, 01:26 PM
Yikes!!!

Are you he? (Your doubles partner was frequently Dr. Dick ________, if so.) And if so, I'm surely glad I didn't name names....

(This Internet is scary sometimes....)

- KK


Small world, Karl. Remember me? And my family? You called a footfault on me ... I'd love to meet you for coffee sometime. DOWNstate.

No, I'm not him. Just kidding. I can't believe I got it. Anyway, I liked your description.

Take care, man.
All the best,
--Slice.

atatu
07-21-2005, 01:39 PM
Kevin, thanks, it was Roberto C. that I was thinking about.

Kaptain Karl
07-21-2005, 02:34 PM
Small world, Karl. ... You called a footfault on me ... Small, indeed. I call FF's on *everybody*. That didn't narrow it down any at all...!

I'd love to meet you for coffee sometime. DOWNstate.Don't stand in wet cement, waiting for me. I worked in Manhattan for three years -- which was 2 years and 11 months more than I could stand!

But if *you* are ever traveling in the Rockies, let me know. (I'll supply the Oxygen....)

No, I'm not him. Just kidding. I can't believe I got it. Anyway, I liked your description."Whew!!!"

How do/did you know him? E-mail me, please....

- KK

pound cat
07-21-2005, 03:01 PM
I saw Federer playing doubles with Wayne Ferreira at TMS Totonto in 2002 & they beat Safin & Kafelnikov in this very serious match with Safin joking with the umpire and Federer laughing and swearing, and obviously at ease on the court. As I watched Federer, I said to myself "Damn, that guys going to be world's # 1 some day" And I was right.

VamosRafa
07-21-2005, 03:46 PM
Taylor Dent. Wrong about him (although he has some ATP titles), but apparently right about Nadal.

You often see a player, especially one who is facing a well known opponent, who plays out of his mind, and you see the talent there. But what people don't often recognize is that you are seeing his absolute best, especially with the older players. They don't have much more to give, but on any given day, they can produce fantastic tennis. The key is consistency. The top players develop that, and usually have some significant weapon(s) that get them through matches when they aren't playing their best.

FedererUberAlles
07-21-2005, 07:37 PM
Andy Roddick... OH BURNED!

slice bh compliment
07-21-2005, 07:43 PM
Call me clairvoyant, but I thought was going to be the next Bjorn Borg when I played him in a satellite in the late eighties. That cat was freakin' everywhere. Passing shots, passing shots, ridiculous returns! The big hair, FILA head to toe. He ripped through draws. I always wanted to play that level again, but sadly never got to (I'm not that good).

* I edited out the name to not embarrass the guy. It is amazing how many great juniors kick *** in satellites and futures, even challengers. They have agents and contracts and physios... they are amazing players. Then they do not do much in the professional ranks...the Slams and ATP events. So many different levels of this game. It's unreal.

Oh, and does anyone remember when Billie Jean King prophesied that Ben Testerman was going to be a top player?

Rickson
07-21-2005, 08:14 PM
All of Thailand thought Paradorn was going to be good. Paradorn sure let them down.

atatu
07-22-2005, 06:38 AM
I think it's a little early to write off Paradorn. He's already the best player in Asia, not too bad.

freshman_phenom
07-22-2005, 07:25 AM
Alex Corretja

tennissavy
07-22-2005, 07:27 AM
I really don't think it is too early to write off Paradorn. He has not improved one bit since he appeared on the atp. At least if you don't improve and learn new shots, strategies, better technique, etc., you should at least learn from your mistakes. He still has not learned from his biggest mistake- do not go for a low percentage screaming winner when pulled out wide on the run. Over 90% of the time he does it and the ball goes into the lower half of the net. He plays absolutely brainless tennis. At least Gonzales can pull those shots off. Paradorn isn't good enough to pull them off with any regularity. It happens in every one of his matches. He attempts them 12 times, misses all in the net, actually connects with his 13th attempt and seems to adopt the attitude of , "see I can do it" and then proceeds to continue missing those shots in the net again. It is truly painful to watch him play. The biggest reason I give for writing him off is that despite his fall in the rankings and plenty of early losses, he still won't get himself a real coach. He won't change anything. In this case, stubborness is stupidity.

djones
07-22-2005, 07:31 AM
Anyone remember the name of that Spanish guy who won a Masters Series (Hamburg ?) event about five years ago, coming out of nowhere, only to disappear never to be seen again ? It's bugging me now....


Wasn't it Roberto Carretero, he beat Corretje in the '96 Hamburg finals 2-6 6-4 6-4 6-4.

I thought Julian Alonso was going to be a good player.
Thomas Berdych as well, he could still become good though!

bertrevert
07-22-2005, 07:59 AM
Remember seeing Federer on hardcourt Europe in 1999 and everyone then was already saying this man would be the future, a change in the game, and so he proved to be. As easy as a whip.

Really, no really, thought Darren Cahill was going to be big, and he coached Lleyton to be big, go figure.

TEAMRAFA
07-22-2005, 08:22 AM
Marcos Baghdatis. Yea.

slice bh compliment
07-22-2005, 08:31 AM
Amen on Baghdatis. Yea.

I also remember seeing a young Marcelo Rios thoroughly outclass Jared Palmer in an early round at the US Open in the mid-nineties. The crowd was mesmerized at the contrast in styles and the shotmaking. He was like a compact little Nastase/Agassi hybrid. The concensus was that he'd win Roland Garros at some point and that he'd have strokes that were compact enough [like Andre's] to do well on faster courts. That match made it clear why Palmer would become a doubles specialist.

A couple of years later, I remember a clip from Monte Carlo of a Rios/Costa match, where he had Albert on a string. Rios even had time between shots to tuck some of his hair behind an ear with his right hand.

RiosTheGenius
07-22-2005, 09:16 AM
ok, most people are clearly missing the point of my thread. I mentioned Juan Monaco and I wanted to get thoughts on players like him. instead, you people are talking about:
Corretja (slam finalist)
Kournikova (top ten once)
Fish (oylmpic medal)
Dementieva (slam fimalist ....twice)... etc, etc, etc...
....some looney even brought up Federer saying that he knew he'd be good... of course, everyone knew it when he was a jr. that's no mistery.
I want to know about players like Monaco, Bracciali, etc.... guys who never made the top 50 but you saw them play and thougth they'd win big one day but they never did.

Mikael
07-22-2005, 09:22 AM
I had pretty much the opposite happen to me: saw Ancic play at some challenger event in 2001 where he lost in the qualies but eventually won a couple rounds in the main draw as a LL. Not many people knew about him, he was probably outside the top 200. But he had had an excellent junior career and some were already saying he was the next goran. Anyway, I wasn't impressed by his game at all. I was totally shocked when he beat Federer at Wimbledon 6 months later and when he entered the top 50.

One guy who I thought was going to be much better is Kristian Pless. I think he got injured. Had a lot of talent...

Kevin Patrick
07-22-2005, 09:28 AM
Leander Paes,
I saw him win the '91 Junior US Open. He was very fast, very talented. Just didn't have the power/big shot to make an impact in singles(except for Davis Cup & a few other occasions)
The same could be said for Todd Woodbridge, he had a phenomenal junior career. Paes & Woodbridge seem like players that could have done really well in singles in the 70s. Too much power in the 90s for their style of play.

I also remember commentators making a big deal about the '92 US Open Junior champ, Brian Dunn. He was 6'6 & had a really big serve. Not sure if he ever made it out of challengers.

tennisboy87
07-22-2005, 09:36 AM
Anyone remember the name of that Spanish guy who won a Masters Series (Hamburg ?) event about five years ago, coming out of nowhere, only to disappear never to be seen again ? It's bugging me now....


I believe it was Albert Portas.

atatu
07-22-2005, 01:50 PM
It was definitely Carretero, Portas did a little more than Roberto did. Any idea what he's up to now ?

RiosTheGenius
07-22-2005, 10:35 PM
he's selling beer at yankees stadium.

RiosTheGenius
07-23-2005, 08:15 AM
oh, and I also thought David Sanchez from spain was going to do more damage...... so far, one title (Viņa del Mar 2003) and he just reached the semis in Armesfoort. other than that I haven't heard of him since Viņa. great player to watch though. classic old school tennis.

Babblelot
07-25-2005, 08:41 AM
I thought Karolina Sprem (Croatia) was going to be good. IIRC, when she burst on the scene in 2003, she went from unknown to something like #35, peeking in 2004 at #17. But she's really dropped off--only 9-15 in 2005.

(maybe she's been plauged by injury this year...???)

RiosTheGenius
07-25-2005, 08:05 PM
yeah, I saw her at the USO last year too..... she's good. very good looking too I must say

xanctus
07-25-2005, 08:35 PM
Daniela Hantuchova I thought gonna be in the top 5 before, but I dunno...she seems having a hard time to keep up with others such as Masha, williams sisters, and those other russians...

Babblelot
07-26-2005, 05:36 AM
Daniela Hantuchova I thought gonna be in the top 5 before, but I dunno...she seems having a hard time to keep up with others such as Masha, williams sisters, and those other russians...
Yeah, things can't be going well when you receive the moniker, "The best practice partner on tour."

crosscourt
07-26-2005, 06:09 AM
For quite a long time my favourite underachiever was Gaudio. The he won the French and it seems odd to still say that he's an underachiever. He's never going to be huge on anything but clay, but I really don't see why he isn't impregnable on that surface. Nadal, Coria and Federer are all better. It doesn't quite make sense.

Ancic is another who doesn't seem to make the most of his ability notwithstanding a fair degree of success.

In neither case is it overwhelming mental frailty or they wouldn't have got as far as they have. But there must be something holding them back.

Babblelot
07-27-2005, 10:18 AM
Nicholas Mahut

It took me a while to recall where I had seen this name, then I realized I had witnessed Benneteau-Mahut's run at 2004 USO (SF).

Yeah, I understand why Mahut caught your eye.


Here they are taking out #2 seeded Bryan brothers (USA).
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5d905b3127cce934870c2d50f00000026128Acsmrlw1cNX

Camilio Pascual
07-27-2005, 10:54 AM
I thought Lilia Osterloh was going to be good as a pro when I saw her win the high school championships in Ohio. I was right, she has been good.
She just did not turn out to be great or very good.
That's okay, anybody who has gotten to her level has achieved a lot.

Cobrien
07-27-2005, 11:49 AM
David Nalbandian.

He seemed to do well in all the junior events.

Clutch
08-27-2005, 11:10 AM
Blake, Harkleroad, Srichaphan, Hantuchova, Pim Pim, and Malisse

Just to name the ones I can remember right now...

Blake and Hantuchova are starting to warm up again this summer, and too bad for the injuries keeping Pim Pim down, though if I remember correctly, he wasn't having a good year anyways since reaching the semis in New York.

callitout
08-27-2005, 11:46 AM
Kristian Pless, Robin Soderling, Phil King all in the where are they now category.
A little more known player: i believed Bollitieri when he said Tommy Haas had all the tools and would be a great player. Subsequently I learned that Nick sells Nick and not much more.

JRoss
08-27-2005, 01:25 PM
Last year (?) at W Becker said Ancic was "the future of tennis." I guess there's still time.

RiosTheGenius
01-21-2006, 07:58 PM
Perhaps Tommy Robredo has still some to prove us. he has a great game but hasn't really broken through just yet.

superman1
01-21-2006, 09:36 PM
Paradorn Srichapan, definitely. He still has some good shots but there's no way he'll ever win a title again. Unless it's a Tier III and there are a lot of injuries. I also thought Blake would be a top 10 player by now. I don't think he will be...what really drew me to him was the huge amount of energy he had on court. He'd win a point and jump up 10 feet. Now he's very subdued. Definitely a top 15 player, but no higher.

bcaz
01-21-2006, 09:55 PM
Safin, before he won the USO in 2000 over Sampras -- turned out pretty good.

Hantuchova -- mixed results, not as good as I thought she would be, but still pleny of time.

Kirilenko -- very nice player at age 16, but may not be big and strong enough to get to the top.

Mardy Fish -- lots of tools, big disappointment so far.

Andy Roddick -- up and down, down right this 10 seconds.

Canas -- great grinder, peaked around the time he was banned.

Enkvist -- disappointing results for his talent.

Petrova -- thought she would have done more by now.

VamosRafa
01-21-2006, 10:59 PM
Why do people resurrect these old posts and act like it's a new thing? I posted in this thread, and went back to look at what I posted, and it's all totally irrelevant now.