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subtleskeptics
07-22-2005, 09:19 PM
How did he lose three match points against Ginepri?! I liked him better in his younger days when he had all the energy and showed it.

Rodzilla
07-23-2005, 04:28 AM
For some reason, I think Roddick's still on the recovery trail. I have heard people say that he was off this week. I have to agree a bit of being like his younger days because I think he should crank it up more often. Don't count Roddick out yet, though. He's still got four events before the USO and hopefully he finds his form in time for those two masters events. The Canada event is the last time he beat Roger, so maybe he can get some luck from that...

fantom
07-23-2005, 04:47 AM
I thought that his blow-up over the bad line call on Ginepri's serve was pretty bad. How many years does he need to be on tour before he learns to not let stuff like that bother him?

I'm fine with him arguing with the call. It was obviously horrible. But to totally dump his service game to Ginepri because he totally lost focus was just bad. Shows where he's at mentally.

Rodzilla
07-23-2005, 04:51 AM
I thought that his blow-up over the bad line call on Ginepri's serve was pretty bad. How many years does he need to be on tour before he learns to not let stuff like that bother him?

I'm fine with him arguing with the call. It was obviously horrible. But to totally dump his service game to Ginepri because he totally lost focus was just bad. Shows where he's at mentally.

Has his mental game really gotten that bad? It's led to even dumping a service game out of lack of focus? Thanks, fantom. Hopefully Roddick can get it back together...

fantom
07-23-2005, 05:55 AM
Has his mental game really gotten that bad? It's led to even dumping a service game out of lack of focus? Thanks, fantom. Hopefully Roddick can get it back together...

Yep. He had 3 match points against Ginepri's serve at 4-5. Ginepri fought them off and got a chance at ad-in. He hit a weak 2nd serve out wide that landed about 3 inches out. Roddick was easily in position for the return, but let it go since it was so far out........but they called it in.

He went ballistic. After about 3 minutes of complaining, he began his own service game, which he only won 1 point on. He was just trying to blast serves, forehands, and even backhands the whole game while totally throwing any strategy into the wind. You could see that his mind was just reeling because of the way he'd shake his head between points.

After donating his service game, he was down 5-6. He spent the entire changeover complaining to the chair. Ginepri promptly held serve and the match at 7-5 in the 3rd.

I was just shocked that Roddick, who has a lot of big-match experience would let something like this really get to him. It was pathetic.

Rodzilla
07-23-2005, 05:58 AM
I was just shocked that Roddick, who has a lot of big-match experience would let something like this really get to him. It was pathetic.
Surprising indeed, and I thought Roddick knew how to play the big points like no other? I know some people are going to dog me for this, but did not Roddick do better with Gilbert?

larrhall
07-23-2005, 07:20 AM
I think he's distracted by that Maria chick. That's my analysis, and I'm sticking to it.

He's also found that his game is not varied enough to dominate, that he's no longer good enough to be #2, and that it will be a struggle to stay at #3...but I think it's Sharapova.

TEAMRAFA
07-23-2005, 07:38 AM
remember at during wimbledon like every 10 minutes during a roddick match his brother would be cited for bringing the "fire" back into his game. what was that about? roddick just needs to fire goldfine...

DashaandSafin
07-23-2005, 10:42 AM
Goldfine is horrible. Seriously I dont know what Roddick was thinking. He has no fire in his game anymore. The Roddick of USO 2003 is not what he is now.

efice32
07-23-2005, 11:38 AM
Want to know what's missing from Andy's game? BRAD GILBERT!! He had the best season of his career and won his only grand slam while Gilbert was at the helm. Andy needs to swallow his pride and call up Brad and ask him back.

tangysox
07-23-2005, 12:35 PM
Andy's brother John was at Wimbledon and Jim Courier said that he credits brother John ("Fat John" as Andy calls him. lol) with helping Andy get his fire back. At Wimbledon he had it and even though he wasn't playing great, it helped him get through some tough matches.

I am watching the Roddick/Ginepri match on NBC now and Andy does not have the fire here. He looks agitated and tired. Robby, in contrast, was looking sharp and ready to win his first title.

Whatever's eating Andy I hope he can figure it out soon and get back to his 2003 form.

Rodzilla
07-23-2005, 03:51 PM
I think Roddick needs some more sitdowns with his bro to get himself straight. It seems like these days his troubles are more mental than technical. Gilbert is another guy who focuses more on the mental side. His "weaknesses" such as his backhand and volleys have improved greatly and those two areas do show sparks of brilliance during matches, but it's unpredictable which part of his game falls apart when he becomes mentally deteriorated. Sometimes, as we saw against Ginepri, even his forehand and serve were off. I think Roddick needs someone to implant that mental game he had during 2003 and even last year, because with that game, Roddick always felt like the intimidating force, he had a calm maturity about him, and Andy actually used his head much better then IMO.

Keifers
07-23-2005, 04:59 PM
Agree that the ARod of today is different from the one coached by BG. So often now, I see Andy looking as though he has no real game plan other than to serve big and hit big forehands. The belief just isn't there -- in his body language or in his game.

Brad certainly has his rough edges, but he's an excellent tennis strategist, and I remember how impressed I was by the difference he seemed to produce in Andy. AR went from being this talented but rather undisciplined and apparently not too thoughtful teenager (on court) to the very top of the game in a pretty short time.

Andy seems to have gone back the other way post-BG. Except that he's tasted now what it is to be at the top -- no wonder he's easily frustrated and thrown off his game! It's sad. I hope he makes it back up. From the look of it, it won't be with Goldfine...

subtleskeptics
07-24-2005, 01:24 AM
Well I guess you gotta cut him some slack. Everyone has complained about the horrible jam-packed ATP schedule. I guess we can't really bag on him too much cause he might be a little burned out...to put in your greatest effort day in and day out and to be the expected winner of every match...it's harder than it seems.

tennis-n-sc
07-24-2005, 08:29 AM
He looked very unfocused against Robbie, almost as if he really didn't care to be there. He went through the motions but, as you guys say, the fire of old was missing. Far different than when Brad was involved. Something is missing. Coaching, desire, too much Fed, too much tennis.....is a girl involved...? I would just like to see him get back to Gilbert days. I liked his intensity then.

Brego
07-24-2005, 11:28 AM
He's definitely too nice. He needs to get into it more. He always plays better when he does that.

fist pump
07-24-2005, 12:20 PM
Maybe bobby knight needs to get into coaching in tennis.

pound cat
07-27-2005, 04:39 AM
Here's a sport's reporter's take on Andy (Houston Chronicle)

Which way's up, Andy?
By Scott Riley, Tennis Editor

Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - If it's progression you're looking for, I'm not so sure we're seeing it right now from one Andy Roddick.

The American slugger is fresh off a very disappointing loss against his previously-underachieving countryman Robby Ginepri in Indianapolis, where Ginepri staved off three match points before stunning Roddick in 4-6, 7-6 (7-2), 7-5 fashion in the quarterfinals at the RCA Championships. Ginepri hadn't beaten Roddick in their previous six meetings and was a head-shaking 10-14 overall this season prior to Indy.

The top-seeded Roddick was the two-time defending champion at the RCA event, where he was a perfect 12-0 before running into Ginepri, who surprisingly went on to capture the title by beating an overheated Taylor Dent in an all- American final. Dent retired in the third set of the finale, inspired by some oppressive ******* heat.

The 22-year-old Roddick is a respectable third in this year's ATP Race and fourth in the official world rankings (with Marat Safin very close behind), but I really don't see the massive-serving star improving his overall game.

Sure, Roddick reached the Wimbledon final for a second straight year, only to lose to the amazing Roger Federer once again. But how much does that prove right now, considering the current depth (or lack thereof) of grass-court specialists on the circuit? And his loss against the "Fed" at the All England Club earlier this month was not of the close variety.

You could argue that if it wasn't for Federer, the six-year pro Roddick might own at least a pair of Wimbledon titles (lost to Federer at Wimbledon the last three years, including two straight finals).

Roddick is a quality 39-9 this season, with three titles, but none of the championships have come at Grand Slams or Masters Series events. He ran the table at Houston (yawn), Queen's Club (yawn) and San Jose (I'm asleep).

My question is: Has Roddick leveled out?

The 2003 year-end No. 1 appears to be slipping. After closing out '03 atop the ATP rankings, Roddick finished 2004 at No. 2 and currently finds himself at No. 4. None of these numbers are bad, mind you, but you can certainly see a pattern developing.

Roddick fired coach Brad Gilbert late last year and replaced him with Dean Goldfine, but what does the Nebraska native have to show for that move thus far? The 6-foot-2 star has yet to beat any of the game's upper-echelon studs this year (i.e. the Federers, the Hewitts, etc.).

What's his biggest victory of 2005? His trio of titles this season have come via finals victories over world No. 59 Cyril Saulnier in San Jose, No. 34 Sebastien Grosjean in Houston and 74th-ranked Ivo Karlovic at Queen's Club.

Yes, he's only lost the nine matches this year, but two of the setbacks are against up-and-down Spaniard Fernando Verdasco and another just came against the seemingly-flatlining Ginepri.

Getting back to the world No. 1 and three-time Wimbledon champion Federer, Roddick is a dismal 1-9 lifetime against the supreme Swiss, including losses in their last five meetings.

And how does he fare against the third-ranked Hewitt, you say? How 'bout 1-6 all-time, including three straight setbacks. That makes him a combined 2-15, including eight straight losses, against two of the three players currently ahead of him in the rankings.

Heck, while we're at it, he's a brutal 1-5 lifetime against Andre Agassi, who currently rests at sixth on the ledger.

Roddick is, however, 1-1 versus one of the game's brightest young stars, world No. 2 French Open champion Rafael Nadal, and 3-2 against the fifth-ranked Aussie Open titlist Safin.

Is Roddick a one-hit wonder...the 2003 U.S. Open?

He has also won three Masters Series events in his still-young career, but the last one came in Miami in early 2004.

Obviously you can forget about him ever excelling on red clay, while he'll continue to remain a threat whenever he's on his beloved hardcourts or grass.

Roddick was a pedestrian 3-3 on red dirt this year, including losses in three of his last four outings on the demanding surface.

I'm not suggesting by any means that A-Rod's washed up. Far from it. But I am, perhaps, suggesting that he's about as good as he's gonna get. I think he's still lacking in his return game, his play at the net, and, of course, his creativity.

Roddick decided against playing in Los Angeles this week due to a "sore knee." Clearly he opted for a week off.

"This is ridiculous, the schedule we're expected to play, year in and year out," Roddick said. "The last two years, I overcame it; this year, I didn't."

There was a lot of hype surrounding Roddick a few years ago, but it's safe to say for now that he's a far cry from such American legends as Pete Sampras, Agassi, John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors. Heck, the aforementioned Gilbert (20) still owns more career titles than A-Rod (18). Okay...that was a cheap shot.

By the way, what's with that picture of Gilbert on the ATP site?

Roddick will be among the contenders when the U.S. Open gets underway next month, but I'd consider him a pretender if he has to play Federer or his fellow former world No. 1 Hewitt.



07/26 14:17:59 ET