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timnz
03-05-2012, 01:05 AM
There were more fast court tournaments....he comments on how slow the couts have got these days..

"If there was more tournaments on these courts, I think he could definitely be No. 1 in the world for the next few years," Murray told reporters. "It really suits his game well. Just so many of the courts are so slow now. Itís nice for us to get a change-up like here. Some of the tournaments are so slow it's tough against so many guys that are moving well and serving big. Itís become tougher and tougher to stay at the top of the game longer."

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Murray-thinks-Federer-could-be-no-1-on-faster-surfaces-articolo3654.html

BULLZ1LLA2.0
03-05-2012, 01:24 AM
Roland Garros is faster now than it ever has been (and so are the balls). Federer still gets breadsticked by Nadal in the 4th set of RG final. But he does beat Djokovic there....

TennisLovaLova
03-05-2012, 01:45 AM
He's so right that...

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0902/captain-obvious-captain-obvious-dumb-superhero-internet-meme-demotivational-poster-1234392340.jpg

aprilfool
03-05-2012, 02:32 AM
Roland Garros is faster now than it ever has been (and so are the balls). Federer still gets breadsticked by Nadal in the 4th set of RG final. But he does beat Djokovic there....

And Federer bagels Nadal on the real fast courts at the WTF.

Department of Redundancy Department

phnx90
03-05-2012, 02:42 AM
And Federer bagels Nadal on the real fast courts at the WTF.

Department of Redundancy Department

WTF courts are not fast at all, it's just that they are less spin/bounce friendly, so Rafa's groundstrokes to Fed's backhand are like sitters, free for him to rip...unless my sarcasm meter is off.

iriraz
03-05-2012, 03:28 AM
The ATP,the organisers of the big events,the sponsors and so on want the top guys to be in the semis,finals of all the big events.
And if the surfaces would all be faster then a lot of things would be different and the chance that the top guys would be upset early in the tournaments is higher.
The faster the surface,the smaller the margins are between the top guys and the lower ranked players with a good serve.It`s so easily for someone like Djokovic or Nadal who play well but get no rhythm against a big server to lose like 7-6 7-6 on a quick court.
Sure Federer would have his fair share of big tournament wins but on the other hand we wouldn`t see every time Federer,Nadal,Djokovic or Murray in the semis or finals of the big events.

BULLZ1LLA2.0
03-05-2012, 03:47 AM
WTF courts are not fast at all, it's just that they are less spin/bounce friendly, so Rafa's groundstrokes to Fed's backhand are like sitters, free for him to rip...unless my sarcasm meter is off.

Very true that.

BULLZ1LLA2.0
03-05-2012, 03:56 AM
The ATP,the organisers of the big events,the sponsors and so on want the top guys to be in the semis,finals of all the big events.
And if the surfaces would all be faster then a lot of things would be different and the chance that the top guys would be upset early in the tournaments is higher.
The faster the surface,the smaller the margins are between the top guys and the lower ranked players with a good serve.It`s so easily for someone like Djokovic or Nadal who play well but get no rhythm against a big server to lose like 7-6 7-6 on a quick court.
Sure Federer would have his fair share of big tournament wins but on the other hand we wouldn`t see every time Federer,Nadal,Djokovic or Murray in the semis or finals of the big events.

French Open organizers are making it as easy as possible for big servers. Roland Garros has never been faster than 2011. Nadal still won, but you can see it no longer plays to his advantage.

Tabash
03-05-2012, 03:56 AM
Djokovic beat Federer in Dubai last year. Fed has not been dominating all fast tournaments he plays

Marius_Hancu
03-05-2012, 04:11 AM
Honest guy, Andy

iriraz
03-05-2012, 04:21 AM
Djokovic beat Federer in Dubai last year. Fed has not been dominating all fast tournaments he plays

No one is saying that Federer would win every tournament on a fast court but in my opinion the margins between the players would be a lot smaller if the courts play fast.U could still see a Djokovic,Federer or Nadal in the later stages of the big events but not all of them in every tournament.
Also the scores will be a lot closer.For instance Djokovic won a pretty close match vs Stakhovsky in Dubai 7-6 6-3.On a slower surface the score probably would have been 6-3 6-1.
The same can be said about Federer`s matches.He beat Del Potro on a slower surface pretty easily in Melbourne but in Dubai it was 7-6 7-6.
I prefer the faster surfaces as the matches are more competitive in the earlier rounds between the top players and the lower ranked and we don`t see so many blowouts.

Nathaniel_Near
03-05-2012, 05:47 AM
Timnz, I already made a thread on this - once again we are on the same wavelength. :)

DjokovicForTheWin
03-05-2012, 05:49 AM
Imagine if all courts were fast low bouncing requiring a player to rely very much on pure tennis skills. Would Nadal win any titles ever?

Cup8489
03-05-2012, 07:04 AM
No one is saying that Federer would win every tournament on a fast court but in my opinion the margins between the players would be a lot smaller if the courts play fast.U could still see a Djokovic,Federer or Nadal in the later stages of the big events but not all of them in every tournament.
Also the scores will be a lot closer.For instance Djokovic won a pretty close match vs Stakhovsky in Dubai 7-6 6-3.On a slower surface the score probably would have been 6-3 6-1.
The same can be said about Federer`s matches.He beat Del Potro on a slower surface pretty easily in Melbourne but in Dubai it was 7-6 7-6.
I prefer the faster surfaces as the matches are more competitive in the earlier rounds between the top players and the lower ranked and we don`t see so many blowouts.

This. I'm sick of seeing no competitive matches for the big 3 until the quarters and semis.. I used to like watching all the rounds, but nowadays I know there's no point because theyre going to come through without issue 9 times out of 10.

MDCCLXXVI
03-05-2012, 07:12 AM
I think inside the service boxes should be slower court, and deep in the court and near the corners should be faster, rewarding more aggressive play.

MDCCLXXVI
03-05-2012, 07:13 AM
This. I'm sick of seeing no competitive matches for the big 3 until the quarters and semis.. I used to like watching all the rounds, but nowadays I know there's no point because theyre going to come through without issue 9 times out of 10.

Its interesting isn't it.

As hard as tennis is (consistency of performance), its interesting to see the same players emerge every time. I don't know another sport where that occurs.

GasquetGOAT
03-05-2012, 07:14 AM
Imagine if all courts were fast low bouncing requiring a player to rely very much on pure tennis skills. Would Nadal win any titles ever?

Has Nadal won any indoor tournaments recently? I guess the answer is no, maybe one or two when he gets the once in a millenium lucky draw like USO 10.

GasquetGOAT
03-05-2012, 07:17 AM
I think inside the service boxes should be slower court, and deep in the court and near the corners should be faster, rewarding more aggressive play.

I think they should be ban the serve entirely and always start the point with a slice, a lefty backhand slice specifically.

BevelDevil
03-05-2012, 08:43 AM
I think they should be ban the serve entirely and always start the point with a slice, a lefty backhand slice specifically.

Tennis elbow factory.

Instead, they should have to do a 2hbh slice from below the hip.

Tony48
03-05-2012, 09:13 AM
So a player would have more success if most of the courts suited their game? Interesting theory.

GasquetGOAT
03-05-2012, 09:33 AM
So a player would have more success if most of the courts suited their game? Interesting theory.

No the theory is, if the courts didn't slow down, a clay court specialist would have just being a clay court specialist. Nothing less nothing more.:)

timnz
03-05-2012, 10:06 AM
So a player would have more success if most of the courts suited their game? Interesting theory.

Yes, that is what nadal and djokovic are currently experiencing. They are benefiting from this ridiculous policy of excessive slowness. And the lack of balance between surface speeds during the season.

TMF
03-05-2012, 10:24 AM
Murray is absolutely correct. If the condition was faster and lower bounce Fed would have achieved even more. Fed is a better shot makers and would dictate the rally from the baseline. He gets more free point on his serve, the serve & fh comes in handy. His bh becomes a weapon, better striking zone and the slice is more effective.

OTOH, faster and lower bounce Nadal wouldn't have achieved as much. No way he has 10 slams by now.

monfed
03-05-2012, 10:52 AM
Murray is absolutely correct. If the condition was faster and lower bounce Fed would have achieved even more. Fed is a better shot makers and would dictate the rally from the baseline. He gets more free point on his serve, the serve & fh comes in handy. His bh becomes a weapon, better striking zone and the slice is more effective.

OTOH, faster and lower bounce Nadal wouldn't have achieved as much. No way he has 10 slams by now.

Yea, put Ralph in the 90s and he'd be another Kuerten/Muster or at best Courier.

cknobman
03-05-2012, 02:19 PM
I think Federer could be No 1 again if he won more (important) tournaments.

kiki
03-05-2012, 02:27 PM
Yea, put Ralph in the 90s and he'd be another Kuerten/Muster or at best Courier.

I am sure Federer would love that Nadal belongs to the 90īs...

timnz
03-05-2012, 03:18 PM
I think Federer could be No 1 again if he won more (important) tournaments.

Yeah - but the problem is that the important tournaments have slowed their surfaces down so much to be completely in the slow court player sweet spot.

timnz
03-05-2012, 03:20 PM
Yea, put Ralph in the 90s and he'd be another Kuerten/Muster or at best Courier.

Nadal would have won as many French Opens but no Wimbledons and no US Opens and maybe 1 Australian Open. He wouldn't have won any where as many hard court Masters 1000's either. He is a great player but he has benefited hugely by the slow down court policy of the last decade.

Sentinel
03-05-2012, 08:15 PM
I think inside the service boxes should be slower court, and deep in the court and near the corners should be faster, rewarding more aggressive play.
Also, the bounce on the backhand side (Ad court) should be lower than forehand side.

:)

kishnabe
03-05-2012, 08:19 PM
Also, the bounce on the backhand side (Ad court) should be lower than forehand side.

:)

I would bouch for that....it would be hilarious when Fedal plays.

cknobman
03-06-2012, 06:28 AM
Yeah - but the problem is that the important tournaments have slowed their surfaces down so much to be completely in the slow court player sweet spot.

Not going to disagree with you but I also feel that Federer is his own worst enemy in some of these matches.

Regardless of court speed Rogers game is good enough to beat anybody. Rogers biggest problem is mental. He does not convert break points well enough, seems to loose focus, and sometimes appears to lack that "hunger" for winning a match.

This is all natural of course as he is older now and has accomplished so much I am sure its hard to stay motivated all the time. Problem is it only takes a few minutes to give one of these younger hungrier players enough hope to come back and steal a match (we all saw it happen last year at Wimbledon against Tsonga).

monfed
03-06-2012, 06:33 AM
Nadal would have won as many French Opens but no Wimbledons and no US Opens and maybe 1 Australian Open. He wouldn't have won any where as many hard court Masters 1000's either. He is a great player but he has benefited hugely by the slow down court policy of the last decade.

Nailed it.

Nathaniel_Near
03-06-2012, 06:36 AM
Come on Roger, it's time to do the RG Wimbly double!!!!

Sentinel
03-06-2012, 07:05 AM
^ I'd like a USO with that

Nathaniel_Near
03-06-2012, 07:16 AM
Heh. Odie - too good.

devila
03-06-2012, 08:36 AM
murray just is hurting because djoker isn't desperate to prove he could beat him and federina anywhere. unlike the clowns like roddick, nalby and davydenko, who enjoyed slower hardcourts but had air where their brains were supposed to be.

Evan77
03-06-2012, 12:31 PM
meh, Fed is not getting to #1 any time soon. Djokovic is playing well on any type of surface. Murray is just bs here.

celoft
03-06-2012, 04:40 PM
There were more fast court tournaments....he comments on how slow the couts have got these days..

"If there was more tournaments on these courts, I think he could definitely be No. 1 in the world for the next few years," Murray told reporters. "It really suits his game well. Just so many of the courts are so slow now. Itís nice for us to get a change-up like here. Some of the tournaments are so slow it's tough against so many guys that are moving well and serving big. Itís become tougher and tougher to stay at the top of the game longer."

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Murray-thinks-Federer-could-be-no-1-on-faster-surfaces-articolo3654.html

Stating the obvious.

laughingbuddha
03-06-2012, 06:08 PM
Tournaments originally slowed down courts for more revenue because fans wanted longer rallies. In a few years, tournaments will slowly start to speed up the courts because fans want varied styles. It is a cycle.

FedererUberAlles
03-06-2012, 10:00 PM
Just caught the highlights for the final. Fastest court I've seen in years. The ball just FLIES.

Some of the points look like they're straight out of a video game

skraggle
03-06-2012, 10:14 PM
There were more fast court tournaments....he comments on how slow the couts have got these days..

"If there was more tournaments on these courts, I think he could definitely be No. 1 in the world for the next few years," Murray told reporters. "It really suits his game well. Just so many of the courts are so slow now. Itís nice for us to get a change-up like here. Some of the tournaments are so slow it's tough against so many guys that are moving well and serving big. Itís become tougher and tougher to stay at the top of the game longer."

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Murray-thinks-Federer-could-be-no-1-on-faster-surfaces-articolo3654.html

What I hear a bit of is "The reason I lost to Federer is because..."

Sentinel
03-10-2012, 08:38 PM
Tournaments originally slowed down courts for more revenue because fans wanted longer rallies. In a few years, tournaments will slowly start to speed up the courts because fans want varied styles. It is a cycle.
Yeah, now i hear fans want Federer to win, so they have to speed up the courts during the semis and finals.

Slow courts when Fred plays Berdych and Soderling, fast when he plays Raphla and Djesus.

TennisLovaLova
03-11-2012, 11:31 AM
Murray said yesterday that the IW court where he lost was slower than clay.
Anyone who knows even just a little about tennis understands there's something wrong going on.
With faster courts, fed would always win

Hitman
03-11-2012, 11:38 AM
I would say fasters courts only. Low bouncing courts are the keys at the moment. He performs quite well regardless of speed if the bounce is not too high. Paris Indoors and WTF were slow, but low bouncing, and Federer played great there.

Crisstti
03-12-2012, 01:04 PM
Its interesting isn't it.

As hard as tennis is (consistency of performance), its interesting to see the same players emerge every time. I don't know another sport where that occurs.

I think it's because of the consistency that's required that it the top players always in the semis and finals. The other players just lack the consistency.

CDestroyer
03-12-2012, 01:06 PM
Court speed isn't his problem.

Rather the matter in between his ears.

And the lack of an aggressive style.

Evan77
03-12-2012, 01:30 PM
Murray said yesterday that the IW court where he lost was slower than clay.
Anyone who knows even just a little about tennis understands there's something wrong going on.
With faster courts, fed would always win
oh man, with faster courts Fed would always win, whatever, too funny. some of you Fed fans are so delusional. it's beyond me. :)

jackson vile
03-12-2012, 01:34 PM
Here's something to think about, how well did the top 5-10 do at this tournament? That will tell you if there would be any real difference.



There were more fast court tournaments....he comments on how slow the couts have got these days..

"If there was more tournaments on these courts, I think he could definitely be No. 1 in the world for the next few years," Murray told reporters. "It really suits his game well. Just so many of the courts are so slow now. Itís nice for us to get a change-up like here. Some of the tournaments are so slow it's tough against so many guys that are moving well and serving big. Itís become tougher and tougher to stay at the top of the game longer."

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Murray-thinks-Federer-could-be-no-1-on-faster-surfaces-articolo3654.html

TMF
03-12-2012, 01:58 PM
I would say fasters courts only. Low bouncing courts are the keys at the moment. He performs quite well regardless of speed if the bounce is not too high. Paris Indoors and WTF were slow, but low bouncing, and Federer played great there.

True. Low bounce enhance his game more than the speed. But the faster surface is still better for him due to his shot making ability. Cinci., WTF and all indoors he's the best. One of the reason why Davydenko hates to play Federer but comfortable with Nadal.

Too bad they slow down the court + increase the bounce.

Cup8489
03-12-2012, 02:07 PM
Court speed isn't his problem.

Rather the matter in between his ears.

And the lack of an aggressive style.

Please leave thread, return with brain.

devila
03-12-2012, 04:08 PM
murray and other slam duds conveniently elevate federer's status to make themselves look like real slam contenders.
murray sounds like roddick the luber boy in the federer exhibition "match". LOLOLOLOLz

Rhino
03-19-2012, 02:25 AM
There were more fast court tournaments....he comments on how slow the couts have got these days..

"If there was more tournaments on these courts, I think he could definitely be No. 1 in the world for the next few years," Murray told reporters. "It really suits his game well. Just so many of the courts are so slow now. Itís nice for us to get a change-up like here. Some of the tournaments are so slow it's tough against so many guys that are moving well and serving big. Itís become tougher and tougher to stay at the top of the game longer."

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Murray-thinks-Federer-could-be-no-1-on-faster-surfaces-articolo3654.html

Then Murray summed up Federer's dilemma neatly when he noted: "Indian Wells and Miami are going to be very, very different to here. Much slower court, which hopefully will suit my game a little bit better."
http://espn.go.com/tennis/blog/_/name/bodo_peter/id/7646961

Except that Murray goes out in his first match at IW, and Federer wins the whole thing. :)

Feather
03-19-2012, 03:37 AM
Please leave thread, return with brain.


lolz

10 characters

Feather
03-19-2012, 03:38 AM
Andy Murray stating the obvious.