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pound cat
03-06-2012, 03:44 PM
Player earnings for the first 2 months of 2012

The doubles players do very well too


http://www.tennis.com/rankings/money_men.aspx

JW10S
03-06-2012, 03:49 PM
If you figure in the 20+ or so years of hard work and sacrifice it took these players to get to this position it does not seem out of line to me.

BobFL
03-06-2012, 04:41 PM
It is not 2 months. It is 20 years and first 2-3 years of their pro careers, they were pretty much in red.

kishnabe
03-06-2012, 04:53 PM
Who cares, they deserve it.

Don't need to be jealous.....as long as everyone can sustain living needs,

FEDERERNADAL13
03-06-2012, 04:53 PM
I like how Vika has made $500,000 more than Novak ;)

laughingbuddha
03-06-2012, 04:59 PM
I like how Vika has made $500,000 more than Novak ;)

It is a joke.

The Bawss
03-06-2012, 05:03 PM
If you figure in the 20+ or so years of hard work and sacrifice it took these players to get to this position it does not seem out of line to me.

Lol please. For the top top guys there's a ton of appearance fees on top of these numbers as well as advertising contracts.

The guys around 100-150 in the world are making 50-60k (conservative estimate) in 2 months. Given that they play tournaments about 10 months of the year they make around 50*10=500k a year. A tennis player is effectively working from the age of 7 or 8 to the age of 35, so that's about 27 years of work (but they only get paid for about 20 of those years). 27*500k=13.5M. Average shmo works about 11 months in a year, makes 35k and works from 20 to 65/70years old. 50*35=1.75M in a lifetime.

Even if you account for lower earning players and higher earning "normal people" there is a still a huge gap. I don't care how much the pros whine, they have an easier life than 95% of the general population and make a lot more money for it too.

JW10S
03-06-2012, 05:10 PM
Lol please. For the top top guys there's a ton of appearance fees on top of these numbers as well as advertising contracts.

The guys around 100-150 in the world are making 50-60k (conservative estimate) in 2 months. Given that they play tournaments about 10 months of the year they make around 50*10=500k a year. A tennis player is effectively working from the age of 7 or 8 to the age of 35, so that's about 27 years of work (but they only get paid for about 20 of those years). 27*500k=13.5M. Average shmo works about 11 months in a year, makes 35k and works from 20 to 65/70years old. 50*35=1.75M in a lifetime.

Even if you account for lower earning players and higher earning "normal people" there is a still a huge gap. I don't care how much the pros whine, they have an easier life than 95% of the general population and make a lot more money for it too.Considering the top tennis pros can do things the 'average shmo' or 'normal people' can't, and worked very hard to be able to do them, I still don't see it as out of line.

laughingbuddha
03-06-2012, 05:28 PM
Lol please. For the top top guys there's a ton of appearance fees on top of these numbers as well as advertising contracts.

The guys around 100-150 in the world are making 50-60k (conservative estimate) in 2 months. Given that they play tournaments about 10 months of the year they make around 50*10=500k a year. A tennis player is effectively working from the age of 7 or 8 to the age of 35, so that's about 27 years of work (but they only get paid for about 20 of those years). 27*500k=13.5M. Average shmo works about 11 months in a year, makes 35k and works from 20 to 65/70years old. 50*35=1.75M in a lifetime.

Even if you account for lower earning players and higher earning "normal people" there is a still a huge gap. I don't care how much the pros whine, they have an easier life than 95% of the general population and make a lot more money for it too.

It is not crazy to imagine someone in the top 100 in the world in a competitive field to make more than average money. But compare that to other sports, like golf, football, NFL, NBA, etc.

Also unless you are a popular name like Roddick, Hewitt, Nalbandian, etc you will not make much in endorsements and appearance fees. Count all that into the expenses the 100th best tennis player has and compare THAT with those of the average person.

laughingbuddha
03-06-2012, 05:30 PM
^I meant if you are not in the top 10-15 or not popular you will not get money in endosrement/appearances

spiderman123
03-06-2012, 10:11 PM
Lol please. For the top top guys there's a ton of appearance fees on top of these numbers as well as advertising contracts.

The guys around 100-150 in the world are making 50-60k (conservative estimate) in 2 months. Given that they play tournaments about 10 months of the year they make around 50*10=500k a year. A tennis player is effectively working from the age of 7 or 8 to the age of 35, so that's about 27 years of work (but they only get paid for about 20 of those years).

Some comments on the calculation. Do get the point but numbers may need little more tweaking.

1. Is the assumption that they make 50k every month or every 2 months?
2. Assumption that they would be <150 for 20 years. What is the mean time for anyone who has had a <150 rank?
3. Expenses are typically high as well. Travel/coaching/medical etc.

dr325i
03-06-2012, 10:47 PM
Lol please. For the top top guys there's a ton of appearance fees on top of these numbers as well as advertising contracts.

The guys around 100-150 in the world are making 50-60k (conservative estimate) in 2 months. Given that they play tournaments about 10 months of the year they make around 50*10=500k a year. A tennis player is effectively working from the age of 7 or 8 to the age of 35, so that's about 27 years of work (but they only get paid for about 20 of those years). 27*500k=13.5M. Average shmo works about 11 months in a year, makes 35k and works from 20 to 65/70years old. 50*35=1.75M in a lifetime.

Even if you account for lower earning players and higher earning "normal people" there is a still a huge gap. I don't care how much the pros whine, they have an easier life than 95% of the general population and make a lot more money for it too.

Totally FLAWED thinking:
1) top 150 do NOT make $500k per year, not even close to that.
2) Now, those that do, and those are around 50 work 8 hours EVERY day (Sundays too, Holidays too) very hard, abusing their bodies that may cost them for the rest of their lives.
3) Tennis players are in their peak for about 5-6 years, making "big" $$$, the rest is barely making money
4) The average "shmo" that makes $35k as you mentioned, is doing the job that other 300 million people can do with no pre-investment and barely any education...

On top of this, we will assume that their sponsorships cover the travel + coaches cost...which we all know they do NOT beyond the top 20 maybe...

dr325i
03-06-2012, 11:22 PM
A few more details: http://www.tennisphilia.com/p/men-tennis-career-prize-money-leaders.html

Bobby Jr
03-06-2012, 11:30 PM
... A tennis player is effectively working from the age of 7 or 8 to the age of 35, so that's about 27 years of work (but they only get paid for about 20 of those years
Are you sure about that? I'd say 10 years is closer to the mark for most tennis players, if even that. The bast majority make hay for only 5 or so years and then fade away..

On that note, ytd the 100th highest earning male player, Mariusz Fyrstenberg, has earned $63,670.

Times that by 5 (being realistic and calling the off season 2 months) and you get $318,350. Minus travel and hotel costs of 100k and you're left with basically 200k... Not really enough money to rake in over a decade and cater for the years from 30 till 75.

tennis_balla
03-07-2012, 12:40 AM
The ATP and WTA tour also have a retirement pension plan for players spending a minimum amount of years on tour and I believe there is a minimum ranking to have. I can find out more info about this.

SLD76
03-07-2012, 01:20 AM
Hmmm...I wonder what someone who is ranked 800 in the world grinding it out on the future's tour puts away in a year.

Sheesh I mean, do they have a spare job...teach part time as a tennis pro?

courtking
03-07-2012, 05:55 AM
That is prize $$ for 2 months of work.. Federer received alot more than than.. Rottendam he reportedly receive 1 cool million no tax.. I would not surprise that same appearance fee for him in Dubai and MSG in Newyork.. so just appearance fee, he made 3 cool millions already.. I don't think the Majors pay apperance fee so Novak still make less than Federer for the last 2 months..

BobFL
03-07-2012, 06:01 AM
I personally know one guy who used to be top 45-55. He was making cca. 10.000 euros/month. That would be gross revenue (-) expenses. I see a lot of bs-timates here...

tennis_balla
03-07-2012, 07:48 AM
Hmmm...I wonder what someone who is ranked 800 in the world grinding it out on the future's tour puts away in a year.

Sheesh I mean, do they have a spare job...teach part time as a tennis pro?


Could be making money being a practice partner for some players, or has a savings fund from family. Coaching maybe, but thats difficult because coaching messes up your game. Screws up your timing and other things on court. Depends what they're coaching however. Club players and below you're screwed.

pmerk34
03-07-2012, 07:50 AM
Lol please. For the top top guys there's a ton of appearance fees on top of these numbers as well as advertising contracts.

The guys around 100-150 in the world are making 50-60k (conservative estimate) in 2 months. Given that they play tournaments about 10 months of the year they make around 50*10=500k a year. A tennis player is effectively working from the age of 7 or 8 to the age of 35, so that's about 27 years of work (but they only get paid for about 20 of those years). 27*500k=13.5M. Average shmo works about 11 months in a year, makes 35k and works from 20 to 65/70years old. 50*35=1.75M in a lifetime.

Even if you account for lower earning players and higher earning "normal people" there is a still a huge gap. I don't care how much the pros whine, they have an easier life than 95% of the general population and make a lot more money for it too.

The only one whining is you

Marius_Hancu
03-07-2012, 08:45 AM
Peanuts in comparison with golf