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henryshli
03-07-2012, 06:40 AM
Just caught up with all the highlights on Dubai, is it just me or has anyone else noticed Federer is using the whip forehand more frequently?

monfed
03-07-2012, 06:50 AM
Just caught up with all the highlights on Dubai, is it just me or has anyone else noticed Federer is using the whip forehand more frequently?

He's able to penetrate the court better because it's a quicker court as opposed to the abomination that is AO.

DjokovicForTheWin
03-07-2012, 06:52 AM
Doesn't Fed whip every FH?

GasquetGOAT
03-07-2012, 06:55 AM
Just caught up with all the highlights on Dubai, is it just me or has anyone else noticed Federer is using the whip forehand more frequently?

As opposed to? Sniff my armpit/reverse forehand?

henryshli
03-07-2012, 07:04 AM
I meant the bunny whip forehand where he follows through over his head. It's just an observation. I analyse tennis matches and I thought I had notice a change a bit similar to the introduction of his forehand drop shop.

Biscuitmcgriddleson
03-07-2012, 07:16 AM
I meant the bunny whip forehand where he follows through over his head. It's just an observation. I analyse tennis matches and I thought I had notice a change a bit similar to the introduction of his forehand drop shop.

I think you mean the reverse forehand.

elpolaco84
03-07-2012, 02:12 PM
I meant the bunny whip forehand where he follows through over his head. It's just an observation. I analyse tennis matches and I thought I had notice a change a bit similar to the introduction of his forehand drop shop.

Buggy whip?? or bunny?

laughingbuddha
03-07-2012, 02:15 PM
In order to become #2 he must play like Nadal.

OldFedIsOld
03-07-2012, 06:02 PM
Good example of the buggy whip and how its useful in a rally. Fed easily accelerates his racquet into the ball and aims it crosscourt:

Look at :34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNU4DjZPH0&feature=fvwrel

Biscuitmcgriddleson
03-07-2012, 06:10 PM
Good example of the buggy whip and how its useful in a rally. Fed easily accelerates his racquet into the ball and aims it crosscourt:

Look at :34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNU4DjZPH0&feature=fvwrel

He makes what he does look so easy.

Sid_Vicious
03-07-2012, 06:45 PM
He makes what he does look so easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1LXLnhWNno&noredirect=1

You are gonna love this vid, BMGS.

Apologies in advance for Vika's awful shrieks in the background.

OldFedIsOld
03-07-2012, 08:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1LXLnhWNno&noredirect=1

You are gonna love this vid, BMGS.

Apologies in advance for Vika's awful shrieks in the background.

Was that Azarenka or Sharapova? Also, its a shame that FYB couldn't film this from the back perspective of Fed.

BrooklynNY
03-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Yeah, it's the reverse finish forehand, every player with a great forehand has this in their arsenal, It's been around forever, although I'm not sure, I believe Sampras popularized it, and Nadal took it to an entirely different level, obviously.

Anyway, I actually did notice this about Federer lately too. To be specific I noticed it in the Isner Davis Cup match. Many times he had a forehand that I thought he was going to hit out on, but he sort of waited and held the forehand as if almost to see what Isner would do, and then sort of flip it over.

I thought it was a tactic, but he has been kind of doing it a bit more, it's almost as if he knows the courts are so slow, and the only way to have the ball NOT slow down when it bounces, is to hit with a stupid amount of spin, so the ball sort of jumps off the court as it lands, not slows down, as it does on these slow courts. On a fast court, it would skid, and his forehand is primo.

Anyway, just wanted to say I agree he has been doing it more lately, but he has been winning the smaller titles again

Funbun
03-07-2012, 08:32 PM
I think Federer uses it more nowadays because it allows him to still be aggressive on a wide shot.

I thought that a lot of pros use it because it allows one to generate good spin and pace from a tactically inferior, defensive position. It can essentially re-neutralize a rally if done well.

...althought Nadal seems to do it just for the heck of topspin every single time, obviously.

purge
03-07-2012, 08:56 PM
i think its the standard on the run shot for him. but you dont often see him hitting it from a neutral court position

DeShaun
03-07-2012, 09:58 PM
Just a sight difference in court speed can allow him to apply just a slight amount of added pressure, enough to reward him running around more backhands--and not out of fear of exchanging backhands, but because it suddenly becomes high percentage tennis for him again, like back in the early part of his career when, for instance, Wimby was 9 milers per hour faster and rewarded good, penetrating groundstrokes. Del Potro's forehand in summer 2009 was the nearest to Roger's five years earlier. These rare fast courts today allow Roger to bring that forehand back out without penalizing him for hitting it too often against great defensive players (Murray, Nadal, Novak) on slower courts.

Pidgeon
03-07-2012, 11:43 PM
I meant the bunny whip forehand where he follows through over his head. It's just an observation. I analyse tennis matches and I thought I had notice a change a bit similar to the introduction of his forehand drop shop.

the forehand drop shop ... haven't seen that one before

henryshli
03-12-2012, 02:22 PM
Just want to say the federer's Indian wells hot shot video on the atp website is exactly what I meant. I guess I'm right afterall

stormholloway
03-12-2012, 02:25 PM
I think you mean the reverse forehand.

Except there's nothing "reverse" about it. Landsdorp came up with this term even though he was always against the shot when it first appeared. Then he acted like he was an expert on it because he coined an inappropriate term for it.

It's just a forehand with an overhead finish.

henryshli
03-12-2012, 02:26 PM
http://m.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/2012/03/Indian-Wells-1/Indian-Wells-2012-Sunday-Hot-Shot-Federer.aspx

lbjames23
03-13-2012, 01:20 PM
you guys should stop messing around with OP.
The guy made a valid point. RF uses a lot what they call a "nadal forehand"

araghava
03-13-2012, 01:37 PM
he uses the buggy whip a lot when he wants to go inside in. i.e hit a down the line forehand from the backhand side.

bjk
03-14-2012, 03:27 AM
Good example of the buggy whip and how its useful in a rally. Fed easily accelerates his racquet into the ball and aims it crosscourt:

Look at :34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNU4DjZPH0&feature=fvwrel

Why can't we get this angle on TV? Most broadcasts are shot from high in the sky. This is a much better angle. Hard to understand.

Rozroz
03-14-2012, 03:41 AM
Good example of the buggy whip and how its useful in a rally. Fed easily accelerates his racquet into the ball and aims it crosscourt:

Look at :34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNU4DjZPH0&feature=fvwrel

hope he won't turn into Nadal in the end.. ;)

Marius_Hancu
03-14-2012, 04:54 AM
I think you mean the reverse forehand.

Yes, this is the consecrated term for the FH ended with the right hand by your ear.

And the OP is right, Fed has made progress on that one during the last months.

Amazing. Deeper, better placed and safer. And used only at the most critical of moments.

See the running FH in:

Tennis Playing Lessons from Sampras
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras01.htm Serve, Front View
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras02.htm Serve, Side View
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras03.htm Topspin FH
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras04.htm Running FH, Wow!!
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras05.htm BH Topspin
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras06.htm BH Volley
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras07.htm Slice BH
(be patient, site is slow; courtesy: Exile)
(use the slider on the left of each picture to slow-motion)

trenzterra
03-15-2012, 06:58 AM
I noticed that Federer has been playing better in the past few weeks when pushed wide to his forehand side; he's not necessarily faster, but he's able to do more with the ball than just dink it back and try to get it back in play.

Anyone noticed this too?

zapvor
03-15-2012, 09:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1LXLnhWNno&noredirect=1

You are gonna love this vid, BMGS.

Apologies in advance for Vika's awful shrieks in the background.

love his serve motion

Cheetah
03-15-2012, 10:41 PM
Except there's nothing "reverse" about it. Landsdorp came up with this term even though he was always against the shot when it first appeared. Then he acted like he was an expert on it because he coined an inappropriate term for it.

It's just a forehand with an overhead finish.

... that ends on the reverse side of the body of a traditional forehand.

sportsfan1
03-23-2012, 08:26 AM
Re OP: Yeah, I noticed this as well. Did the experiment first start in Miami 2011 and was then shelved? Maybe now that Djok's had so much success hitting his FH with spin and angles, it's inspired a comeback.