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Power Player
03-08-2012, 08:57 PM
I knew I had to stop trying sticks and save that cash for tourneys and a reel of strings. So here I am with a stick that I was afraid would be too stiff and would vibrate my arm off.

I just wanted to go back to an xl racquet and this looked like a good option.

Well it is. I have stopped using poly just because I like this racquet so much. Babolat changed the feel up..it is muted and very easy on the arm if you use a softer string. My choice so far is rip control, and I am loving the setup.

I added 3 grams of lead at 12 and it took the stick to the next level.

My serve is definitley aided with this racquet and it has made that part of the game fun for me again.

Who else uses this racquet? If you like tweeners, I'd put this on your demo list..it hits a much bigger ball than the standard length.

Anyway..great job by babolat. I had to walk away from the APDC three times and a pure drive 2009 because of vibrations and hand pain..most of this was due to using poly (mistake by me), but they really made this one feel great.

retlod
03-08-2012, 09:40 PM
It's on my to-demo list. I used to play a lot with the PDGT+ and found myself in a long-term relationship with the APDGT+ last summer/fall. I like feeling like I can spin anything in with the APD, but missed the big, booming serves of the PD. As you know, I demoed the Juice Pro a week ago and absolutely loved it. Loved the weight, which I had not before. Loved the solid, tight string pattern that I could still get some pop out of. So that's got me thinking...should I give the weighted Black Drive + a try. How about the new PDR? Can I find the same solid feel and plow that the Juice had in a Babolat? Should I deviate from a full poly setup? So many questions.

I strung up one of my APDs today with OGSM to see how it would play. Believe it or not, I have NEVER put anything other than poly in APDs or PDs for fear of too much power. I even string it high at 60 and am lucky enough not to have arm problems. We'll see what it's like. The one constant for us is that nothing is ever constant. Good thing I stocked up on gift cards when they were on sale...

Bartelby
03-08-2012, 10:05 PM
Its a good name for the new drive - the black drive! - I like it.

Rock Strongo
03-09-2012, 05:50 AM
YAY! The name caught on!

Power Player
03-09-2012, 06:36 AM
Yes it is a great name for a great paint job.

Retlod, there are a lot of questions there that can probably only be answered with demoing, but my setup of RIP Control at 57-59 with 3 grams of lead at 12 is extremely solid (even against harder 5.0 hitters). It just matters if you like heavy sticks or light ones..that is how you decide between the regular and the roddick.

I like the regular because I can mod it however I want.

pug
03-09-2012, 07:01 AM
I bought the new PD + when TW first had them available, and I got the pure driver bag also. Both are very nice.

I added some lead at 12 oclock and put on a new gel grip bringing the weight up to about 330g or 11.7 oz. I will continue to tinker with the setup a little, but it feels pretty good right now.

A great playing stick, I am quite impressed with the controlable power and easy swinging feel. Volleys also feel quite crisp and control is also good.

I have mine strung with natural gut mains at 55 and syn gut crosses also at 53.

Racquet comfort feels to be above average for this type of racquet. Yes, if you shank one off of the tip of the head it is going to feel a bit harsh, but most racquets do. It has a generous sweet spot and when you dial it in, it feels really sweet. Stiffness rating at TW is 70 but the "feel" to me is not particularly stiff.

Cosmetics are really nice and the QC seems to be well done also on the one that I have.

Overall, I really like this racquet!

Power Player
03-09-2012, 07:35 AM
That pure driver bag sounds awesome. I have a 6 pack Dunlop bag that I have had for 3 years and it is starting to get a little small since I will pack my clothes in it for after work matches.

I was wondering if you have worn it on your back like a backpack (i ride a bike with my bag on my back a lot) and how that works out..also space in the bag..etc.

I agree with everything you have said about this racquet. I remember I demoed it for 25 minutes before the strings broke and I was already sold on it.

Power Player
03-17-2012, 05:03 PM
This racquet continues to deliver for me. The feel is what sold me more than anything, since I know what the pure drive is all about...it makes baseline tennis a freaking blast.

I tried prince premier attack, but I would not recommend it for this racquet. Rip control 16 is the best setup I have used. It gets plenty of spin, and the racquet feels comfortable with it. The control with this setup gives you massive power and spin but you will be able to control the ball as well as a players stick can..I know this since I came from a 6.1 .

I would not recommend full poly unless your arm can take it, but rpm blast played fantastic in the stick..black magic, tornado, tour bite would be my full poly suggestions.

The plus length is the way to go for me..demo it..give it time..see if you can adjust to it..you will have so much leverage on serve and backhand...you will pick up a lot more balls that normally you would miss...there is a reason so man pros use plus length sticks..I think it gives you an advantage if you have active feet and are moving and spacing properly.

Power Player
04-04-2012, 08:41 AM
Settled in with RIP at 60#s.

I have only noticed vibration if I mishit my 2 hander pretty badly, and it vibrates my bottom hand at the bottom of the handle. It is jarring, but when you mishit it usually is.

Besides that, I can not find one issue with this racquet.

Herdsman76
04-04-2012, 10:33 AM
Not to hijack but who makes RIP strings? Thanks!

H76

keithfival
04-04-2012, 11:16 AM
I strung up one of my APDs today with OGSM to see how it would play. Believe it or not, I have NEVER put anything other than poly in APDs or PDs for fear of too much power. I even string it high at 60 and am lucky enough not to have arm problems.

How did you like the full bed of OGSM? I was just thinking of the exact same thing. Somehow never tried a non poly setup in my APDC+ even though it always feels too stiff, just assumed it would be uncontrollable.

Torres
04-04-2012, 11:22 AM
Purely out of passing interest, did you try the PDR+, and if so, why did you prefer the PD+ with lead? Is that even / unduly tip weighted?

couch
04-04-2012, 02:18 PM
Hitting again with mine tonight in my doubles league. Have it strung with BM at 53lbs. Hoping this is a good combination. Also have twisted razor and typhoon to try out but haven't received those yet.

Tried it with RPM and thought it was terrible. Only hit with it once and cut it out and the strings barely moved when cut. Looked like no tension maintenance at all.

I hit a lot with the PDGT+ but in the end it just seemed a little sluggish, especially in doubles. Loved the serve and groundies. Maybe it's just mental but the BD+ seems to swing a little easier.

So far I'm liking this racquet, just need to find some good strings to match. Tonight should be a good test.

Power Player
04-04-2012, 02:24 PM
Purely out of passing interest, did you try the PDR+, and if so, why did you prefer the PD+ with lead? Is that even / unduly tip weighted?

Good question. The PDR+ is an amazing stick and was originally what got me really into the PD series. I may revisit it down the road, but I like the PD+ better for a few reasons. The first is that it is easier to control the power since it is lighter and I get more racquet head speed. I also like that I can keep it lighter or weight it up a little.

A + length at 12.1 ozs and close to 340 SW is a rather heavy racquet, so I wanted that option of staying lighter. I am going to experiment more with lead and see how heavy I can go..etc, but lead at 12 to bring the stick to 324 grams strung with dampener, OG is a really nice setup.

As for strings, RIP control is made by Head.

Hominator
04-04-2012, 02:27 PM
Not to hijack but who makes RIP strings? Thanks!

H76

Head Rip Control

Ross K
04-04-2012, 02:31 PM
Hitting again with mine tonight in my doubles league. Have it strung with BM at 53lbs. Hoping this is a good combination. Also have twisted razor and typhoon to try out but haven't received those yet.

Tried it with RPM and thought it was terrible. Only hit with it once and cut it out and the strings barely moved when cut. Looked like no tension maintenance at all.

I hit a lot with the PDGT+ but in the end it just seemed a little sluggish, especially in doubles. Loved the serve and groundies. Maybe it's just mental but the BD+ seems to swing a little easier.

So far I'm liking this racquet, just need to find some good strings to match. Tonight should be a good test.

Will look out for your findings then. PD+ Team/Swirly were always mega-supreme from the b-line and on serve for me, but, yes, a bit sluggish... and the rare times I played doubles I struggled too.

Yourtenniscoach
04-04-2012, 02:35 PM
My set up is working wonders for me. Simple, effective and easy on the arm!

Power Player
04-04-2012, 03:51 PM
I have mine both now at 324 with lead at 12 which means the SW should be in the 330s. I need to get that measured and will report. but to hit right on the sweetspot with the racquet head speed of a 11.4 stick and a higher SW plus a balance focused towards the head is absolute bliss.

Ytc how long does your gosen last?

PowerPlay
04-04-2012, 07:44 PM
I have the Black Drive Roddick +. I have not settled on a string set up yet. I started with Hurricane Feel 16g at 58. Now I have a hybrid of RPM Blast 17g and XCel. I think I am going to try a full bed of RPM Blast next. I do not like the hybrid set up at all...the ploy cuts into the multi way to much.

Power Player
04-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Nvy is a much better option as a cross if you decide to try a hybrid again.

couch
04-04-2012, 09:43 PM
Hit with the BD+ again tonight in my doubles league. Main problem was me! I have been battling a low back issue lately and it has really hindered my play, especially when serving. It doesn't bother me too much when hitting groundstrokes but as soon as I hit a serve it really pulls that muscle and affects the rest of my game.

I began with the BD+ and after the first set I switched back to my trusty Volkl Tour 8. In hind sight it probably wouldn't have mattered too much which racquet I used. I couldn't move or play up to my ability given my back issues.

I had the racquet strung at 53lbs with BM and may try typhoon at 50lbs or less next time. Felt like BM didn't give me the power I was looking for. Feel like I need more "easy" power given my physical issues. Starting to experiment with all poly at lower tensions. Just really frustrating at the moment. Our league is off next week for spring break and I'm thinking about not playing for a couple weeks. I'm too stubborn though so we'll see. LOL Also have a doctors appointment next week (after months of this problem).

Anyway, the jury is still out on the BD+. I feel like the BD+ is the natural replacement for my Tour 8. I just have to make the commitment and not give up on it after a bad outing, especially given my physical problems. :-(

Power Player
04-05-2012, 05:47 AM
Couch if you want easy power don't use poly. Poly is a control string. You probably would be much better off with a syn gut/multi or full gut. Prince Premier Ace gives a lot of power.

0d1n
04-05-2012, 06:21 AM
Why didn't you just stay with the 7G ??
I'm sure you could find a string setup that gives just as much power as your current pure drive setup, with lots more comfort/feel.

Power Player
04-05-2012, 06:33 AM
I like more open pattern..I like the trajectory and heavy spin I can get. The 7G is very nice for spin, but the Pure Drive is on a different level. I also much prefer the balance of the PD...the 7G is 9pts HL..I hated that..it is also heavier, so to lead it and rebalance it made it into a heavy racquet..I tried that as well.

My current and preferred balance is 3 pts HL.

Chyeaah
04-05-2012, 06:48 AM
Man... If only they made it longer, the added length was a B**** to play with, it still felt shorter than what i want XL sticks to be.

Power Player
04-05-2012, 08:07 AM
It's 27.5....how long do you need?

Power Player
04-05-2012, 04:47 PM
There are some serious pure drive haters here based on the star ratings..lol.

ArliHawk
04-05-2012, 04:56 PM
This racquet in standard length is piquing my interest. But I would hate the thought of parting with my APDGT, which I really enjoy.

Chyeaah
04-05-2012, 04:58 PM
I would say it is good, but not excellent.

Power Player
04-05-2012, 05:02 PM
Pure drive 2012 is excellence. No doubt about it.

ramos77
04-05-2012, 05:13 PM
excuse my ignorance, but which racquet are you guys talking about here?

ArliHawk
04-05-2012, 05:15 PM
excuse my ignorance, but which racquet are you guys talking about here?

Power Player is talking about the Babolat Pure Drive +

mikeler
04-05-2012, 06:45 PM
There are some serious pure drive haters here based on the star ratings..lol.


I bumped you up even though I don't care about the racket.

Larrysümmers
04-05-2012, 06:54 PM
the perfect tweener. easy power and spin. light enough to swing really fast. loved the demo, but not going to cough up the dough just yet lol

tlm
04-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Pure drive 2012 is excellence. No doubt about it.

I know a lot of people play well with the pure drives, but i am surprised that you would use one after having wrist injuries.

pug
04-05-2012, 08:58 PM
There are some serious pure drive haters here based on the star ratings..lol.


Yes, it is fashionable to hate Babolat for some groups. Of course most have never even hit with it and have no idea what a great racquet it is, they just repeat what they have been told by others...who have never hit with it either!

This is a solid racquet with controlled power and is very fun to customize.

Power Player
04-05-2012, 09:05 PM
I bumped you up even though I don't care about the racket.

Lol thanks. You would probably love this thing.

I know a lot of people play well with the pure drives, but i am surprised that you would use one after having wrist injuries.

yes, I have explained this though. Short story: now barely ever arming/ overusing wrist..better technique. Hitting sweetspot majority of the time. Not using poly.Profit.

0d1n
04-06-2012, 03:43 AM
I like more open pattern..I like the trajectory and heavy spin I can get. The 7G is very nice for spin, but the Pure Drive is on a different level. I also much prefer the balance of the PD...the 7G is 9pts HL..I hated that..it is also heavier, so to lead it and rebalance it made it into a heavy racquet..I tried that as well.

My current and preferred balance is 3 pts HL.

Buy a bigger grip size for the 7G and use a thinner and lighter grip, or even a couple of overgrips without a base grip. That will give you the mass and the balance you're looking for as well.
Anyway...you're not going to do that now that you have your Pure Drives dialed in...not until "next time" at least :).

Haven't hit the latest pure drives, but I've hit with the older generations and...well...not my cup of tea. I have nothing against babolat as a brand...they make some great strings, leather grips...and racquets...most likely...but I'm more of a man suited to the storm series "on paper" and I haven't had the chance to hit with those yet. Don't really feel the need to do it either...just got "dialed in" with the switch from the Volkl Tour 10 to the vantage 95's ...so ... life is good.
I only saw 2 or 3 storms in an ocean of drives and aeropros around here anyway ... :).

Power Player
04-06-2012, 05:50 AM
I appreciate the passive aggressive criticism but the 7G and Pure Drive are not the same sticks for multiple reasons. I also could not re balance them by simply using a lighter grip, since I tried that. I don't like using 2 overgrips. It does not give the same balance anyway. If you have used a 7G and a Pure Drive you would realize the differences.

DrewRafter8
04-06-2012, 07:35 AM
BD+ is a great racquet especially with a little lead at 12. I had no problems with it stock but I've found that the serve really cranks up with lead. Only thing I'm working on is finding a string setup that I like. I dropped tension into the 40's last week but it was with a kevlar main. Felt fine but I'm not sure how crazy I am about kevlar mains. I'm normally a full set of poly type of guy. RPM team was ok and Twisted Razor was just ok. The kevlar main with razor cross has been the best setup so far, but I'm thinking blue Typhoon or Tour Bite might be a better match for this stick strung in the mid to upper 40's.

Power Player
04-06-2012, 07:37 AM
RIP is awesome for me..out of raw curiosity I am going to try Red Alert as well.

Point being, I am not using poly in this racquet and still getting a ton of spin and control.

DrewRafter8
04-06-2012, 07:48 AM
Definitely can see that. The demo I took out for all of December had RPM Team until I broke it. My club's owner strung it up with full Addiction and it was great, but I knew I'd break it quick. Had plenty of spin and I could hit my spots well.

Power Player
04-06-2012, 07:55 AM
Yeah it really matters if you can get enough time out of the strings to jusitfy cost. I can get 10-12 hours out of RIP, so I buy in bulk.

I'd be needing to swap out poly after 6-10 hours so I save money and protect my joints this way.

mikeler
04-06-2012, 10:09 AM
Yeah it really matters if you can get enough time out of the strings to jusitfy cost. I can get 10-12 hours out of RIP, so I buy in bulk.

I'd be needing to swap out poly after 6-10 hours so I save money and protect my joints this way.


It only gets worse with time. :(

0d1n
04-06-2012, 12:16 PM
I appreciate the passive aggressive criticism but the 7G and Pure Drive are not the same sticks for multiple reasons. I also could not re balance them by simply using a lighter grip, since I tried that. I don't like using 2 overgrips. It does not give the same balance anyway. If you have used a 7G and a Pure Drive you would realize the differences.

I haven't used a 7G...no. Never said they were the same sticks either, glad you like your pure drive, hope the love affair turns into a "marriage" :).
Hit them well ...

Power Player
04-06-2012, 12:20 PM
^^

Thanks man..me too. So far, so good.

ChicagoJack
04-07-2012, 12:31 AM
Power Player -

I've gotten the same frame for an extended demo. I plan on stringing up a full bed of gut in the higher ranges. I'm thinking that will be a pretty sweet combo, we'll see.

-Jack

Ballistec_J
04-07-2012, 12:52 AM
I have my black drive roddick+ customized to 28" long with 8g lead in the handle and 8g lead at 3:00 & 9:00. 4 3/8 grip size with 2 overgrips over the black syntec grip. Everytime i hit a big forehand or crank a serve this thing sounds like a shotgun going off. I am deciding between RPM17/VS16 @64 and PHT17/VS16 @63. This thing is absolutely baller. So between the 2 overgrips and 16 total grams of lead i think that puts this beast at around 12.5g strung. May switch to a babolat leather grip to make it more head light. Sick plowthrough.

Yourtenniscoach
04-07-2012, 08:17 AM
I can't stand people who play poly and a stiff racquets like the Pure Drives, etc and wonder why their elbow hurts. If you're not a college or pro level player it doesn't pay to play poly. #1 its not cost effective for your average player because it goes dead so fast and you constantly need to replace the string and #2 it's just too harsh on the arm.

ArliHawk
04-07-2012, 09:29 AM
I can't stand people who play poly and a stiff racquets like the Pure Drives, etc and wonder why their elbow hurts. If you're not a college or pro level player it doesn't pay to play poly. #1 its not cost effective for your average player because it goes dead so fast and you constantly need to replace the string and #2 it's just too harsh on the arm.

Agree completely. I use an APDGT and have used nothing but multi in it. Head RIP control works the best for me. It tames the racquet's power and also softens it up.

Power Player
04-07-2012, 09:31 AM
I can't stand people who play poly and a stiff racquets like the Pure Drives, etc and wonder why their elbow hurts. If you're not a college or pro level player it doesn't pay to play poly. #1 its not cost effective for your average player because it goes dead so fast and you constantly need to replace the string and #2 it's just too harsh on the arm.

Yes thank you, I have been saying this over and over and people still insist that their 3.5 level game gets super heavy spin only with full poly. It's crazy.

Korso
04-07-2012, 09:43 AM
Yes thank you, I have been saying this over and over and people still insist that their 3.5 level game gets super heavy spin only with full poly. It's crazy.

Agree completley. Learning the right way to produce spin from a player's beginings is so important. Changing someone's seasoned mind frame is like pulling teeth.

Fuji
04-07-2012, 10:09 AM
Yes thank you, I have been saying this over and over and people still insist that their 3.5 level game gets super heavy spin only with full poly. It's crazy.

But PP, I can only get my Nadal type reverse forehands going if I'm using RPM Blast strung up at 65lbs to control my huge amounts of power and spin from the baseline in my APDGT... the guys in my 3.5 league hit massive kickers and I really need to tame the ball.... ;)

-Fuji

Power Player
04-07-2012, 10:13 AM
Lol..Fuji you get it man..you always make informative posts.

Yourtenniscoach
04-07-2012, 07:17 PM
I have my black drive roddick+ customized to 28" long with 8g lead in the handle and 8g lead at 3:00 & 9:00. 4 3/8 grip size with 2 overgrips over the black syntec grip. Everytime i hit a big forehand or crank a serve this thing sounds like a shotgun going off. I am deciding between RPM17/VS16 @64 and PHT17/VS16 @63. This thing is absolutely baller. So between the 2 overgrips and 16 total grams of lead i think that puts this beast at around 12.5g strung. May switch to a babolat leather grip to make it more head light. Sick plowthrough.

Just curious, what level player are you?

ChicagoJack
04-07-2012, 09:00 PM
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tennistomcat
04-08-2012, 10:04 AM
I have been playing around with my friend's standard length black drive & loved it right away. It seemed like babolat fixed all that I didn't like with the previous versions - mainly the hollow feel & lack of touch. The racket feels very solid & the feel at net is better. I was just about to pull the trigger & buy it but thought it better to demo the + version just to know the difference.

I've never played with an extended length racket before & there was some adjustment period but it still felt great right away. The main things I noticed were my 1st serve percentage was noticeably better & my 2 handed backhand felt even more solid & I felt alot more control in my shot placement. My 2hbh is my solid shot & my shot down the line with it is my bread & butter. I was confidently hitting short, sharp crosscourt, deep crosscourt, inside-out, & down the line back hands which I wasn't able to do consistently with the standard length. I'm still figuring out the adjustments needed for the net play but they seem minor & the other advantages will outweigh this.

This demo was strung with wilson nxt so I'm eager to know how it'll play with my usual poly strings. I know powerplayer says it plays great with a multi but I'd like to see how it plays with my usual lux adrenaline or TF redcode - I can usually play with a full bed of any poly that is not at a high tension with no signs of TE.

I agree with power player that the black drive + is a great racket - I tried going back to the standard length & wished I had the + again.

Dgdavid
04-08-2012, 10:10 AM
I have been playing around with my friend's standard length black drive & loved it right away. It seemed like babolat fixed all that I didn't like with the previous versions - mainly the hollow feel & lack of touch. The racket feels very solid & the feel at net is better. I was just about to pull the trigger & buy it but thought it better to demo the + version just to know the difference.

I've never played with an extended length racket before & there was some adjustment period but it still felt great right away. The main things I noticed were my 1st serve percentage was noticeably better & my 2 handed backhand felt even more solid & I felt alot more control in my shot placement. My 2hbh is my solid shot & my shot down the line with it is my bread & butter. I was confidently hitting short, sharp crosscourt, deep crosscourt, inside-out, & down the line back hands which I wasn't able to do consistently with the standard length. I'm still figuring out the adjustments needed for the net play but they seem minor & the other advantages will outweigh this.

This demo was strung with wilson nxt so I'm eager to know how it'll play with my usual poly strings. I know powerplayer says it plays great with a multi but I'd like to see how it plays with my usual lux adrenaline or TF redcode - I can usually play with a full bed of any poly that is not at a high tension with no signs of TE.

I agree with power player that the black drive + is a great racket - I tried going back to the standard length & wished I had the + again.

This is very interesting because I bought a Pure Drive standard on Thursday liked it but am thinking I should have got the + or the PDR (or at least tried them first).

Power Player
04-08-2012, 04:16 PM
Tennistomcat we have similar experiences it sounds like.

The regular pure drive is just too light and the SW is too low. The plus gives you more leverage and boom. I add lead at 12 and that's all I needed to do.

Only reason I made this thread is because I feel like a lot of people may not know how great a plus length can be..especially when it comes to a pure drive or APDC.

tennistomcat
04-08-2012, 07:39 PM
Appreciate the thread Power Player - glad I found it. I had stumbled onto the black drive + on my own & had been scouring the forums lately looking for any threads on ppl's experiences with the extended length rackets & how long it took to adjust to the switch. This racket is pretty expensive & Babolats rarely have any deals on them so I was nervous about dropping alot of change on something that may not work out.

I feel that I'm solid from the baseline & pretty decent at the net but was looking for something that would help my serve catch up with the rest of my game - But was worried what may happen to my game with a longer racket. I only had the demo for a week & it felt great but sometimes you can't really tell until you put some serious miles on the frame. Threads like these help put me at ease but of course everyone has a different experience with the same rackets.

I had a decent demo with the Vcore 100s & now it's sitting in the bag more often than not. I had a great demo with this racket so I'm hoping the outcome is much better - My new racket should be coming this thurs so i'm stoked to give it a rip.

Dgdavid
04-17-2012, 04:27 PM
Tennistomcat we have similar experiences it sounds like.

The regular pure drive is just too light and the SW is too low. The plus gives you more leverage and boom. I add lead at 12 and that's all I needed to do.

Only reason I made this thread is because I feel like a lot of people may not know how great a plus length can be..especially when it comes to a pure drive or APDC.

Hi Powerplayer,

Since I have switched to the regular PD, just to be 100% sure I have rehit with a few of my other rackets and the bit above is my only niggling doubt about the PD standard. It is only an issue on my 1HBH which is still the area I prefer any of my Warrior 100, Vcore 98 or Dunlop Bio 200 over it. However, I like all other parts of the PD Standard above those rackets. I am also gradually moving to a 2HBH which I am starting to hit well but I have yet to use in a real match. It is a shot that I seem to need a bit more solidity in the racket to feel comfortable. In trying to keep the bits I like but address this, only two rackets are under consideration given how much i like the Standard: the PD Plus and the PDR (normal length).

On the basis I can adjust to the other areas of a Plus length or PDR weight, do you have an opinion on which will specially benefit the 2HBH over an above the Regular (SW etc) and not unduly hurt my timing on a new shot in my repertoire?

Power Player
04-25-2012, 06:49 AM
David, you are all over the place so honestly unless you can dedicate 2 weeks to a racquet demo, I would not suggest trying an XL length. It is not something you pick up and just start crushing with off the bat. It takes some time, and most likely you will not enjoy it immediately.

As for helping with the 2 hander, I believe it does. It is a tough call for me since I grew up playing standard length, and have gone back and forth on what I prefer. I am so far extremely happy with the +, but considering buying a roddick as well to give it a go and see how I play with the heavier weight.

It's a tough call to go standard or + honestly. They both have their benefits.

Dgdavid
04-25-2012, 07:09 AM
Thanks PP, since that request I have decided not to go Plus length. I do normally demo for at least two weeks unless I hate it. Had the Warrior for 10 weeks, Played with PD Standard every day for over a week and now played 10 sets with Six.One with another week to go. I think I have narrowed it down a lot actually! Asking questions and doing desk research doesn't mean I am buying them - I hope to get a feeling from other posters I see a lot before short listing rackets to demo. I have not bought or demoed the Formula 100, V1, PD+, Pro One etc despite asking about them. In fact, apart from the PD and 6.1 demo, I have only recently been rotating rackets I already own or in some cases, trading rather than selling rackets.

I say this because I have sensed an implied critisism in two or three of your recent posts to me which don't seem to be given to at least two other ever present posters who are trying as many (and actually maybe more) rackets than me. This is a worthwhile process for me. Even if I end up back where I started with the Prestige, it will have been worth it if I am settled with it.

Dgdavid
04-25-2012, 07:22 AM
I will add that the above does not mean I am not grateful for your responses to date because I am and they have been very useful including a more pressing need to make a final choice. If I am wide of the mark in my second paragraph above, then I apologise in advance.

Power Player
04-25-2012, 07:24 AM
Not at all. I just am saying you seem all over the place in terms of trying out sticks in terms of stick type and possibly a little play style, which is fine. It just will make you insane if you tried a +.

the 6.1 is an amazing racquet. I play 4.0-5.0 players and I have beaten down some 4.5s with that stick and lost to others with it. In my opinion, the Prestige and 6.1 are rather advanced sticks that deliver better if you play collegiate or open level.

If you are playing 4 times a week or less and considering a 2hander, you may want to focus in on 98-100 size heads.

Dgdavid
04-25-2012, 07:53 AM
Not at all. I just am saying you seem all over the place in terms of trying out sticks in terms of stick type and possibly a little play style, which is fine. It just will make you insane if you tried a +.

the 6.1 is an amazing racquet. I play 4.0-5.0 players and I have beaten down some 4.5s with that stick and lost to others with it. In my opinion, the Prestige and 6.1 are rather advanced sticks that deliver better if you play collegiate or open level.

If you are playing 4 times a week or less and considering a 2hander, you may want to focus in on 98-100 size heads.

I must admit, the 6.1 is on the edge of that category of sticks that are great when I am really on my game (and then a dream stick) but if I am not having at least an 8/10 day, it can feel pretty unforgiving. All the nice comments on the 97/98 sq inch head Pro One, 200 Max etc are making me wonder too. Slightly bigger head, slightly lighter weight and SW but more controlled and 'robust' than the tweenrs. I know I like a slightly heavier stick with some mass.

Power Player
04-25-2012, 07:57 AM
If you like the prestige, I'd strongly suggest giving the IG Radical Pro a run, since it has a beefed up SW and many hardcore holics are digging it.

Another frame being loved on is the Yonex Vcore 95 if you want to stay in that headsize.

As for me, I love the versatility of the PD series.

Byakuya
04-25-2012, 12:52 PM
How do the Black Drive, Black Drive +, and Pure Drive Roddick all compare?

Dgdavid
04-25-2012, 03:41 PM
If you like the prestige, I'd strongly suggest giving the IG Radical Pro a run, since it has a beefed up SW and many hardcore holics are digging it.

Another frame being loved on is the Yonex Vcore 95 if you want to stay in that headsize.

As for me, I love the versatility of the PD series.

I own (but selling) two 98Ds so the 95 is a possibility. Not convinced the IG Rad will be better for me than the 6.1. I had it for a week at the same time I tested the Exo3 Tour 100 and PMP and the latter was my preference so I didn't get much time with it. I hit with last year's model (Youtek Rad Pro is a 100sq inch not 98) and it seemed very flexible but quite nice especially on depth and spin.

BTW, what are you thinking the PDR might give over the PD Plus?

Power Player
04-25-2012, 03:43 PM
I'm talking IG rad pro and it is indeed 98.

The pdr is basically an easier to use 6.1. What it has over the stock pd is weight and power for a heavy ball.

Dgdavid
04-25-2012, 03:48 PM
I'm talking IG rad pro and it is indeed 98.



I know that. I tried the IG Rad (98 ) with the PMP and Exo3 but tried the non-IG Youtek last week which is a 100. Youtek non-IG felt flexier and a bit more forgiving but no other real comparison. Barely 3-4 sets with IG, just a knock up with non-IG.

Power Player
04-25-2012, 04:31 PM
Did you try the ig rad pro or just the regular?

The yt rad pro was a beast but swing heavy after a while. It is the stick under sharapovas paint job.

Dgdavid
04-25-2012, 04:37 PM
Both were the Pro versions. Never hit with the IG Radical Midplus but interestingly, when I was asking about a bit more spin friendliness than the IG PMP without losing too much control, it was the IG Rad MP that kept coming up. I guess because it was also 18x20 but lighter (although SW is listed heavier than the PMP). I ended up going to the Warrior via the Prestige S and Rebel 98 (following Jack's journey at that point).

Also tried the IG Rad Oversize and had nothing bad to say about it except I felt a bit of a berk at the club with an OS! Hasn't stopped me getting two cheap POG OS rackets though!!

levy1
09-08-2012, 08:36 AM
Tennistomcat we have similar experiences it sounds like.

The regular pure drive is just too light and the SW is too low. The plus gives you more leverage and boom. I add lead at 12 and that's all I needed to do.

Only reason I made this thread is because I feel like a lot of people may not know how great a plus length can be..especially when it comes to a pure drive or APDC.

I bought. A matched pair and was able to get 324 SW

RackofSlamb
09-08-2012, 10:36 PM
I put a full bed of RPM blast 16 at 58 lbs in this racquet and it is pretty hard to handle in my opinion, maybe I just need getting used to it, but I am probably gonna try a hybrid, i was blasting all my shots waaay too deep

RackofSlamb
09-08-2012, 10:37 PM
also has anyone had any success with dampeners on this racquet, maybe ill try that first before i go hybrid, not sure how much it will help but what the heck worth a try

monomer
09-09-2012, 07:11 AM
I must admit, the 6.1 is on the edge of that category of sticks that are great when I am really on my game (and then a dream stick) but if I am not having at least an 8/10 day, it can feel pretty unforgiving. All the nice comments on the 97/98 sq inch head Pro One, 200 Max etc are making me wonder too. Slightly bigger head, slightly lighter weight and SW but more controlled and 'robust' than the tweenrs. I know I like a slightly heavier stick with some mass.

Which 6.1 are you referring to?

I had posted about how much I loved the Youtek Prestige Pro after trying so many different racquets. After some time with it I am now finding that it is not forgiving enough for me when I am playing a good player. I have been using the Pro Staff Six.One 100 for a few weeks and it seems to have all the things I liked in the Prestige and none of the downsides. It has the same rock-solid feel and control but definitely is more forgiving. It is lighter which is a plus to me as I am able to lead it up and keep it somewhat easier swinging than the Prestige.

The 6.1 100 doesn't feel bigger than the Prestige to me because of the head shape. It is slightly longer and narrower than a typical 100.