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Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 09:47 AM
Picked up one of these today at the TW tent. Preliminary specs:

Headsize: 98
Weight (strung): 11.7
Stiffness: 66
String Pattern: 16x19
Grip: Dunlop Leather

More to follow once I get it home later today.

Edit: Pics start at the top of page 3.

li0scc0
03-12-2012, 09:49 AM
any idea of swingweight???

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 09:51 AM
I posted a query for the specs in the comments forum, so you can stay tuned there for a response from TW themselves. The Dunlop rep said these frames won't be available until April.

Pneumated1
03-12-2012, 09:55 AM
Picked up one of these today at the TW tent. Preliminary specs:

Headsize: 98
Weight (strung): 11.7
Stiffness: 66
String Pattern: 16x19
Grip: Dunlop Leather

More to follow once I get it home later today.

I hate you!:)

Several of us from the "Pro's Racquets and Gear" section have been salivating over the potential release of this one for some time. This means that finally, Dunlop is giving us Dunlop 300 lovers a heavier version. I already know that it's the HM, MFil, and Bio. mold. I hit the HM 300G for five years. Any way you could post a pic or two?

Rock Strongo
03-12-2012, 09:57 AM
Would've been much nicer if they released the NeoMax for the rest of the world. Looking forward to pics:D

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 09:58 AM
Looks exactly the same as the one J. Mac was wielding in the photo, near as I can tell. Yes, I'll see if I can put something up later today when I have a real camera handy.

It looks like the Pacific was no match for your Londons, P1. Do you think this could be the end for them?

bluetrain4
03-12-2012, 10:08 AM
Picked up one of these today at the TW tent. Preliminary specs:

Headsize: 98
Weight (strung): 11.7
Stiffness: 66
String Pattern: 16x19
Grip: Dunlop Leather

More to follow once I get it home later today.

OMG, tremendous looking specs (though, clearly that doesn't always add up).

What is he beam width?

Pneumated1
03-12-2012, 10:27 AM
Looks exactly the same as the one J. Mac was wielding in the photo, near as I can tell. Yes, I'll see if I can put something up later today when I have a real camera handy.

It looks like the Pacific was no match for your Londons, P1. Do you think this could be the end for them?

I just got a Pacific demo in the mail again today, with the Melbourne, X-325, and IG Prestige MP. But then you do this, and it's all moot. Moot I say! I think that all four of these demos that I have today could be a match for my Londons, as they spec out perfect for me and perform incredibly. But the real issue now is the blinding realization that nothing will match this new Bio. 300, imo. They can call it a Max 200 if they want, but it's a HM, Mfil, Bio 300 mold with some weight. I will preorder without a demo for the first time in my life.

OMG, tremendous looking specs (though, clearly that doesn't always add up).

What is he beam width?

I'm almost positive either 21 or 22, maybe 21.55.

KFwinds
03-12-2012, 10:28 AM
Pics - Please!!! Been waiting a long time for this one...

Fed Kennedy
03-12-2012, 10:47 AM
Nice work AO, we needeth pics!

mrmike
03-12-2012, 10:47 AM
The RA number of 66 seems a little high for a racquet Mac would use. Sometimes the number does not always correlate 1:1 with comfort / softness though.

eleventeenth street
03-12-2012, 10:54 AM
the dunlop maxply mcenroe racquet had a similar stiffness rating

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 10:58 AM
The RA number of 66 seems a little high for a racquet Mac would use. Sometimes the number does not always correlate 1:1 with comfort / softness though.

That's been my experience with recent Dunlop offerings with middling stiffness, such as the 200 Lite. I imagine this one will be just as soft, despite the rating of 66 (which is what's printed on the frame).

Gentlemen, I assure you there will be pics. The good folks at TW are stringing it up for me whilst I take in some live tennis on court 1. Patience!

Rock Strongo
03-12-2012, 11:07 AM
That's been my experience with recent Dunlop offerings with middling stiffness, such as the 200 Lite. I imagine this one will be just as soft, despite the rating of 66 (which is what's printed on the frame).

Gentlemen, I assure you there will be pics. The good folks at TW are stringing it up for me whilst I take in some live tennis on court 1. Patience!

Then I have to tell you this: have a VERY good day and hope you'll see some great tennis!

interjim
03-12-2012, 11:15 AM
Gentlemen, I assure you there will be pics. The good folks at TW are stringing it up for me whilst I take in some live tennis on court 1. Patience!

You may want to double-check that powerball ticket. You're on a hot streak.

6-2/6-4/6-0
03-12-2012, 11:40 AM
Why not call it a Biomimetic 300G rather than a Biomimetic Max200G?

Mac has used the 300G mold for years, he's almost as well known for that as he is for the Max200G, and it would be more accurate as to where it fits in the range. Sure, they've taken the aesthetic from the Max200G and employed that on the 300-series frame, but I don't think that is expressly a reason to call it a 200 or to use the Max moniker (which is tied, in my opinion, very specifically to the IMF process [obviously used with compression molded frames like the Black Max, but if you use that nomenclature, this racket should still be called a Biomimetic 300Max]).

If I end up getting one or two of these, I'm going to send them to my paint guy and have him re-stencil them to say Biomimetic 300G... Take that Dunlop... Wait that would be stupid and pointlessly expensive... Nevermind...

bluetrain4
03-12-2012, 11:45 AM
So you're at Indian Wells? And anyone can get one from the TW tent?

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 11:57 AM
So you're at Indian Wells? And anyone can get one from the TW tent?

Yes and yes. If anyone else is here and wants to chat me up, just lemme know.

bluetrain4
03-12-2012, 12:03 PM
I'm in Illinois, but my parents are in Phoenix. I should really send them over to IW to pick up goodies in the TW tent. It's under 4 hours and they like to drive. Lol.

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 12:06 PM
I'm in Illinois, but my parents are in Phoenix. I should really send them over to IW to pick up goodies in the TW tent. It's under 4 hours and they like to drive. Lol.

Only 295 miles. :D

Pneumated1
03-12-2012, 12:14 PM
Only 295 miles. :D

For dysentery and vomiting. Be careful whom you shake hands with. The place is infected with something. People are dropping like crazy. Admitted germiphobe here, but thanks for the sacrifice!:wink:

bluetrain4
03-12-2012, 12:19 PM
Why not call it a Biomimetic 300G rather than a Biomimetic Max200G?

Mac has used the 300G mold for years, he's almost as well known for that as he is for the Max200G, and it would be more accurate as to where it fits in the range. Sure, they've taken the aesthetic from the Max200G and employed that on the 300-series frame, but I don't think that is expressly a reason to call it a 200 or to use the Max moniker (which is tied, in my opinion, very specifically to the IMF process [obviously used with compression molded frames like the Black Max, but if you use that nomenclature, this racket should still be called a Biomimetic 300Max]).

If I end up getting one or two of these, I'm going to send them to my paint guy and have him re-stencil them to say Biomimetic 300G... Take that Dunlop... Wait that would be stupid and pointlessly expensive... Nevermind...

I agree, but purely from a marketing/business perpsective, I understand why they're doing it. Also, doesn't it weigh substantially more than the 300, even the 300 Tour?

tom4ny
03-12-2012, 12:32 PM
my guess is that this will be a lower powered frame than the 300 series, hence the 200 designation.

my second guess is that they already have a number of pro's and talented upcoming juniors to pimp the 300 line so they will use mac to pimp the 200 line.

likely both are factors.

i have a couple of 300's and now the bio 300t is my main frame so i doubt that i will switch but i do like the spec as listed and will likely end up getting one. it is all very exciting and i do think that the bio line is underrated - this may be the frame that get's the line the attention it deserves (imho).

Shangri La
03-12-2012, 12:35 PM
That's been my experience with recent Dunlop offerings with middling stiffness, such as the 200 Lite. I imagine this one will be just as soft, despite the rating of 66 (which is what's printed on the frame).

Gentlemen, I assure you there will be pics. The good folks at TW are stringing it up for me whilst I take in some live tennis on court 1. Patience!

That'll make it 64 strung. This is getting me really interested.. just hope the sw isnt too high.

Pneumated1
03-12-2012, 12:40 PM
That'll make it 64 strung. This is getting me really interested.. just hope the sw isnt too high.

The Bio. 300 (regular) is rated at 66 as well. I've demoed it twice, this last time with a poly/syn. gut hybrid, and I thought that it was plush---slightly firmer than the London. Interesting indeed!

Deuces Wild
03-12-2012, 12:48 PM
The Bio. 300 (regular) is rated at 66 as well. I've demoed it twice, this last time with a poly/syn. gut hybrid, and I thought that it was plush---slightly firmer than the London. Interesting indeed!

I've put a Volkl leather grip on my Bio 300. Looks and plays fantastic. I play with a full bed of poly and it's still comfortable.

Shangri La
03-12-2012, 01:00 PM
The Bio. 300 (regular) is rated at 66 as well. I've demoed it twice, this last time with a poly/syn. gut hybrid, and I thought that it was plush---slightly firmer than the London. Interesting indeed!

The Bio Max's specs look perfect to me, a spectard :) The leather grip saves me 0.2-0.3oz of weight I would otherwise have to add if replacing a stock synthetic grip with a leather one, and 10 dollars.

Not sure if it's a Bio line thing or what, but when I demoed the Bio 400 Tour which is listed 66 strung, it played more flexible than that for me.

ToneDaBass
03-12-2012, 01:13 PM
Yes and yes. If anyone else is here and wants to chat me up, just lemme know.

I'll be there Wednesday, will you still be there?

What is the price on the racquet? Do you think they will they run out before Wednesday?

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 01:17 PM
I'll be there Wednesday, will you still be there?

What is the price on the racquet? Do you think they will they run out before Wednesday?

Nah, just today. I snagged it for $180 out the door, I'm sure they won't run out. I think people will hardly notice them. I had to do a doubletake myself.

Pneumated1
03-12-2012, 03:55 PM
I've put a Volkl leather grip on my Bio 300. Looks and plays fantastic. I play with a full bed of poly and it's still comfortable.

On the demo, I put a TW leather, 6 grams at 3/9, and head tape covering the bumper, and I was ready to buy the frame. Quite honestly, I've been holding out for this rumored Bio. McEnroe "200." And I did think that this one deserved the heaviest leather that TW sells, as well: Volkl.

The Bio Max's specs look perfect to me, a spectard :) The leather grip saves me 0.2-0.3oz of weight I would otherwise have to add if replacing a stock synthetic grip with a leather one, and 10 dollars.

Not sure if it's a Bio line thing or what, but when I demoed the Bio 400 Tour which is listed 66 strung, it played more flexible than that for me.

I'm with you. I like when the weight and layup of the frame already accommodates a leather grip (Prestige Pro, e.g.). I can't explain it either. Maybe it's the "hexagonal sheets of high modulus carbon fiber.":) Not sure, but having hit the old 300G for five years, something is different and it works: more stable, comfortable, slight hint of flex, but maintaining a med. stiffness.

What's your setup?

JGads
03-12-2012, 06:07 PM
316 swingweight. Johnny Mac's signature at 3 o'clock on both sides (not at 9 on either side). Beautiful frame. Snagged one.

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 06:13 PM
You're at IW and didn't bother to say "hello" to me? I am disappoint.

JGads
03-12-2012, 07:11 PM
You're at IW and didn't bother to say "hello" to me? I am disappoint.

Dude, I cannot get my phone to work properly at the courts for the life of me. Can call/text, but Internet/emailing on my phone isn't happening. You there tomorrow? If so send me an email through your profile w your cell.

Agent Orynge
03-12-2012, 07:14 PM
I won't be here tomorrow, but I'll swing by the front of the TW tent after the Roddick match if you're still around.

JGads
03-12-2012, 07:25 PM
I won't be here tomorrow, but I'll swing by the front of the TW tent after the Roddick match if you're still around.

No longer around (hence being able to use the net now); sorry man, would have been cool to meet a fellow boardie. If ever on the west side of LA hit me up, maybe we could even hit one day somewhere. Cheers, buddy.

lgbalfa
03-12-2012, 07:43 PM
the dunlop maxply mcenroe racquet had a similar stiffness rating

it was 68.

eleventeenth street
03-12-2012, 08:04 PM
it was 68.

thanks, i knew it was somewhere in the mid-high sixties

lgbalfa
03-12-2012, 08:08 PM
thanks, i knew it was somewhere in the mid-high sixties

i still currently play with the mayply's.

will demo this new racquet once TW has it available.

interjim
03-13-2012, 08:34 AM
Post. Photo. Of. Frame.

Bud
03-13-2012, 09:26 AM
Pics or it din't happen

Agent Orynge
03-13-2012, 09:48 AM
Sorry guys, I had been up since 2 AM yesterday and crashed when I got back home. I'm also sorry that I'm not terribly good at this photo business, so let me know if you have any requests.

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010267.jpg

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010266.jpg

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010265.jpg
3 o' clock

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010264.jpg
9 o' clock

Agent Orynge
03-13-2012, 09:51 AM
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010263.jpg

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010262.jpg

Agent Orynge
03-13-2012, 09:54 AM
Additional specs printed on frame:

Unstrung Balance: 320mm
Unstrung Weight: 313g
Length: 27"
Grip: Dunlop Tour Classic
Tension: 55-65 lbs.
Construction: HM6 Carbon

My own measurements:

Weight: 327g, strung - no OG / dampener
Balance: 4-5 points headlight
Beam Width: 21mm

ae695
03-13-2012, 09:55 AM
I am in love with this racquet

un6a
03-13-2012, 10:01 AM
Nice looking frame and specs looks like the racquet was designed for me :)
If strung SW will be around 315 then i will get one for sure.

Agent Orynge
03-13-2012, 10:05 AM
Nice looking frame and specs looks like the racquet was designed for me :)
If strung SW will be around 315 then i will get one for sure.

It feels very substantial in the hand and through the air so far. I'll let you guys know how it feels when I get a swing with it, hopefully either today or tomorrow.

Rock Strongo
03-13-2012, 10:16 AM
That. Is. AWESOME! Now all we need is an international release of the NeoMax and we're set!

ToneDaBass
03-13-2012, 10:24 AM
If anyone lives along the route between Palm Springs and Santa Barbara and wants me to pick them up one of these, send me an email at ToneDaBass at hotmail dot com with your phone number, and we can chat on the phone and see what I can do for you. I'll be at Indian Wells on Wednesday.

bluetrain4
03-13-2012, 10:28 AM
Wow, looks great. I REALLY do not need to be fooling around with another frame, but I'm not sure I can pass this up.

coolblue123
03-13-2012, 10:39 AM
that is one slick looking stick! specs are very similar to a London indeed. looking forward to hear how the stick hits.

crazyups
03-13-2012, 10:50 AM
Great, looks pretty awesome. I only have one maxply mcenroe and these specs look even better.

Renfrow
03-13-2012, 10:52 AM
Is it basically just a 300 with a leather grip?

tom4ny
03-13-2012, 11:00 AM
Additional specs printed on frame:

Unstrung Balance: 320mm
Unstrung Weight: 313g
Length: 27"
Grip: Dunlop Tour Classic
Tension: 55-65 lbs.
Construction: HM6 Carbon

My own measurements:

Weight: 327g, strung - no OG / dampener
Balance: 4-5 points headlight
Beam Width: 21mm


thanks for the update! very exciting indeed. from the specs it looks like the bio max 200g is the love child of the bio 200 lite and bio 300. this may help drive sales for all the bio 200 versions. thanks for sharing, and for the photos too! :)

0d1n
03-13-2012, 11:01 AM
Additional specs printed on frame:

Unstrung Balance: 320mm
Unstrung Weight: 313g
Length: 27"
Grip: Dunlop Tour Classic
Tension: 55-65 lbs.
Construction: HM6 Carbon

My own measurements:

Weight: 327g, strung - no OG / dampener
Balance: 4-5 points headlight
Beam Width: 21mm

Nice looking frame, congrats on the purchase. My Vantages are about 315 grams and 32 cm balance unstrung also...so I already have similar specs :P.
Playing weight is somewhere around 335 grams.
Those Dunlops are more colorful though ... :P.

Power Player
03-13-2012, 11:02 AM
Best PJ in a long time.

(Besides the Black Drives)

interjim
03-13-2012, 11:17 AM
Wow. That's just beautiful. Thanks for posting the pics, AO. Could be the big reward for myself, when/if I make it to 4.5. Some carrot, that.

Say Chi Sin Lo
03-13-2012, 11:27 AM
That's pretty...

Deuces Wild
03-13-2012, 11:32 AM
Is it basically just a 300 with a leather grip?

Almost

http://i.imgur.com/OLbsz.jpg

tistrapukcipeht
03-13-2012, 12:21 PM
I wonder what kind of women you guys think look beautiful, I think this paint job is just plain ugly.

This is just like the ugly Juice racquet painted on a Dunlop.

Rock Strongo
03-13-2012, 12:46 PM
I wonder what kind of women you guys think look beautiful, I think this paint job is just plain ugly.

This is just like the ugly Juice racquet painted on a Dunlop.

Oh you should see her. She looks absolutely amazing! Shame she's got someone else though...

Back to this though, if the Max 200G would be released today, it would probably look like this aswell.

Power Player
03-13-2012, 12:54 PM
I wonder what kind of women you guys think look beautiful, I think this paint job is just plain ugly.

This is just like the ugly Juice racquet painted on a Dunlop.

How do you compare looks of a racquet to women? That's a serious reach.

bluetrain4
03-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Wouldn't you think that if the BioMX200g is being sold at the TW tent at IW, release of the frame to the general public has to be imminent?

KFwinds
03-13-2012, 01:27 PM
AO, you've just become my favorite poster on these boards.

:)

Agent Orynge
03-13-2012, 01:42 PM
AO, you've just become my favorite poster on these boards.

:)

I'm glad to hear that. It might help balance out the few that don't care for me too much.

Timbo's hopeless slice
03-13-2012, 01:57 PM
no, mate, they have all been banned!

Agent Orynge
03-13-2012, 02:09 PM
Timbo! I know you like Dunlop, no comments?

forthegame
03-13-2012, 02:15 PM
no, mate, they have all been banned!

I just had to LOL! Genius post.

klementine79
03-13-2012, 02:29 PM
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010263.jpg

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010262.jpg

Eye candy. Absolutely gorgeous PJ. Thanks for the pics Orynge.

Question is now, how does it play?

vkartikv
03-13-2012, 02:38 PM
I want it! Right now!!!!

MAXXply
03-13-2012, 05:26 PM
Meh. It just looks like the old AG100 4D, with green bits instead of brown. The white paint on the inner upper hoop is an unecessary disruption to what little cosmetic symmetry exists on the racket. The chevrons above the handle are the only throwback to the original 200G.

lgbalfa
03-13-2012, 05:47 PM
Meh. It just looks like the old AG100 4D, with green bits instead of brown. The white paint on the inner upper hoop is an unecessary disruption to what little cosmetic symmetry exists on the racket. The chevrons above the handle are the only throwback to the original 200G.

i agree that besides the chevrons, that is really the only thing retro.

other than that, i don't think it is particularly a nice looking racquet.

regardless - i will still give it a demo based on the specs.

lgbalfa
03-13-2012, 05:52 PM
i do like how it has mcenroe's autograph on it though.

Pneumated1
03-13-2012, 06:22 PM
other than that, i don't think it is particularly a nice looking racquet.

I'm not in total disagreement, but I'm not so much into the aesthetics of a racquet. I do think the regular Bio. 300 trumps this one in the "looks" dept., but what has me excited, as a former Dunlop 300 die-hard is the potential of +1oz. 300G, Mfil, Bio. 300. I hope it plays like a weighted Bio. 300.

i do like how it has mcenroe's autograph on it though.

Nothing that a little touch up paint couldn't cover. I was/am more of a Lendl fan:)

KFwinds
03-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Think about it though; besides the chevrons, what was distinctive about the Max 200g? It was a black racquet with green stripes, like the POG. IMO, all the new model needed for retro flavor was the chevrons...

Timbo's hopeless slice
03-13-2012, 09:22 PM
Timbo! I know you like Dunlop, no comments?

Mike, it's beautiful and I would have one in a second. I go a bit mad trying to play with different racquets on a day to day basis and I have a deal with Yonex at the moment. (V-Core 95Ds, love them!)

I am still tempted to get one and just put it away, beautiful frame!

MAXXply
03-13-2012, 11:31 PM
Think about it though; besides the chevrons, what was distinctive about the Max 200g? It was a black racquet with green stripes, like the POG. IMO, all the new model needed for retro flavor was the chevrons...

Agreed. My dislike for it is mainly based on my longstanding dislike of loud PJs that use too many elements to break up the smooth monotony of the frame. What's so bad about an all-black, blue or red frame? I really liked the old Revelation 200G 95 "Checkerboard motif" frame from years ago - that one used the original 200G's heritage green colour really nicely, teamed with flashes of gold.

tom4ny
03-14-2012, 02:32 AM
i like most of the biomimetic frame's paint jobs and i also think that dunlop did a great job marrying the new paint job with the old max.

it also makes sense to me that it will be lower powered than the 300 series but heavier. they are leveraging the passion for the old max and mcenroe's name's for marketing a new frame and the 200 series no doubt but also, the bio 200 frames are lower powered than the 300. that is why i will likely stick with my chrome and red which looks outstanding, but more so i like the power level and control i get with the bio 300t.

KFwinds
03-14-2012, 03:15 AM
Agreed. My dislike for it is mainly based on my longstanding dislike of loud PJs that use too many elements to break up the smooth monotony of the frame. What's so bad about an all-black, blue or red frame? I really liked the old Revelation 200G 95 "Checkerboard motif" frame from years ago - that one used the original 200G's heritage green colour really nicely, teamed with flashes of gold.

Ahh, yes - the Revelation 200g. That might have been the best 200 PJ ever. I do love this new Biomimetic scheme, but some sort of checkerboard element would have been appropriate for a Mac frame as well.

Pneumated1
03-14-2012, 03:46 AM
i like most of the biomimetic frame's paint jobs and i also think that dunlop did a great job marrying the new paint job with the old max.

it also makes sense to me that it will be lower powered than the 300 series but heavier. they are leveraging the passion for the old max and mcenroe's name's for marketing a new frame and the 200 series no doubt but also, the bio 200 frames are lower powered than the 300. that is why i will likely stick with my chrome and red which looks outstanding, but more so i like the power level and control i get with the bio 300t.

I think you touch on several good points. It probably will be slightly lower-powered than the regular 300, but the extra weight is the attraction, and it may translate into more pop than we think. Also, some would call the 200's a little anemic, but this new "Max200" will definitely offer a little more juice than your typical 200, I would think, considering the open string pattern, extra beam width, and HM, Mfil, Bio. mold. All of these factors do beg the question: Is it a 200 or 300? I still say it's a great option in the 300 line, which seems to drive Dunlop sales.

bbulla
03-14-2012, 04:17 AM
TW Customer Support is telling me mid-April it will be on the website for purchase.

tom4ny
03-14-2012, 04:40 AM
I think you touch on several good points. It probably will be slightly lower-powered than the regular 300, but the extra weight is the attraction, and it may translate into more pop than we think. Also, some would call the 200's a little anemic, but this new "Max200" will definitely offer a little more juice than your typical 200, I would think, considering the open string pattern, extra beam width, and HM, Mfil, Bio. mold. All of these factors do beg the question: Is it a 200 or 300? I still say it's a great option in the 300 line, which seems to drive Dunlop sales.

i agree with you that it should have a bit more pop than the other 200's as the stiffness rating is about 10 points higher than the 200 lite. it's probably more like a bio 250? haha. the specs do seem right up your alley and i will be interested to hear how it compares to your modified londons. from what i hear the 300's and 500's are selling. the 200's not as much and the 400's havent been as well received as expected. (admittedly 2nd hand info. from my stringer/coach) i think that this will be the last biomimetic upgrade until the new line next year.

vkartikv
03-14-2012, 07:52 AM
Looks like McEnroe is already using it or at least a pj of it:
http://tennis.my/gear/dunlop-biomimetic-max-200g/

Shangri La
03-14-2012, 10:04 AM
What's your setup?

Wait, let me ask others first...

Is it basically just a 300 with a leather grip?

From what I read, the two have the same mold. So yea they will look the same.

chip&chrge
03-14-2012, 05:43 PM
This is the first I've noticed that the 200G and POG paintjobs are so similar. Too bad the biomimetic pj doesn't keep the green striped look.

Kinda wishing the PJ was more classic like the ProStaff Sampras 88 updated the PS6.0 85.

In any case I do like the retro idea going on here and I'm excited that the specs are right in my wheelhouse!

JGads
03-14-2012, 06:22 PM
Lot of pop here. Pretty spinny frame. Very good crisp feel. But I strung this thing too low by accident (I thought the tension range was 50-60 and it's 55-65). Realized this after looking at the frame more closely during an erratic first set. Had to switch over to something else as I just couldn't control it. Frame hits big with a lot of spin as it's a pretty open string bed. Will see if I can tame it.

Backhanded Compliment
03-14-2012, 07:32 PM
Lot of pop here. Pretty spinny frame. Very good crisp feel. But I strung this thing too low by accident (I thought the tension range was 50-60 and it's 55-65). Realized this after looking at the frame more closely during an erratic first set. Had to switch over to something else as I just couldn't control it. Frame hits big with a lot of spin as it's a pretty open string bed. Will see if I can tame it.

strung with what and what tension? is it anything like the bio 300 tour in play? That racket is a flat serving machine.

JGads
03-14-2012, 08:31 PM
strung with what and what tension? is it anything like the bio 300 tour in play? That racket is a flat serving machine.

Black Widow/NVy hybrid at 51/54. I'll be able to give more of a comparison with the 300 Tour in a few days hopefully; hadn't hit with the 300T until visiting Indian Wells this week and hitting with both the Mac frame and the 300Tour on the demo court, and the 300T felt so good I also ordered a demo of it to check out. Definitely hits a flatter ball more easily than the 200G, which so far seems to want to hit spin. Personally I've usually veered towards closed-pattern frames so I thought the 300T was worth an extended look, along with the 200G. I'm upping the tension on the 200G to 58 pounds with Tour Bite, my go-to string.

Shangri La
03-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Lot of pop here. Pretty spinny frame. Very good crisp feel. But I strung this thing too low by accident (I thought the tension range was 50-60 and it's 55-65). Realized this after looking at the frame more closely during an erratic first set. Had to switch over to something else as I just couldn't control it. Frame hits big with a lot of spin as it's a pretty open string bed. Will see if I can tame it.

How was the stability, and how did you feel about the sweetspot size? Thanks.

KFwinds
03-14-2012, 10:27 PM
AO, have you had a chance to hit with yours yet?

JGads
03-14-2012, 10:40 PM
How was the stability, and how did you feel about the sweetspot size? Thanks.

Feels average so far, not too big, not too small. Can't say much for stability since didn't really come to the net much with it in my hand today. Facing a very big hitter tomorrow so hoping to get it restrung by then. Will report more as I play more.

Pneumated1
03-15-2012, 05:10 AM
Lot of pop here. Pretty spinny frame. Very good crisp feel. But I strung this thing too low by accident (I thought the tension range was 50-60 and it's 55-65). Realized this after looking at the frame more closely during an erratic first set. Had to switch over to something else as I just couldn't control it. Frame hits big with a lot of spin as it's a pretty open string bed. Will see if I can tame it.

Deuces Wild a few pages back showed a pic of his Bio. 300 with a Volkl leather grip. And from what you're reporting, that modified Bio. 300 is going to hard to beat with its balance of precision/pop and ability to hit with either spin or flat. Let us know what you find by upping the tension. I'm gonna be switching frames very soon, and I'm having a hard time choosing between the X-Force Pro, IG Prestige MP, and a modified Bio. 300. Had high hopes for this one, as I get sick of leading frames.

Shangri La
03-15-2012, 09:41 AM
Feels average so far, not too big, not too small. Can't say much for stability since didn't really come to the net much with it in my hand today. Facing a very big hitter tomorrow so hoping to get it restrung by then. Will report more as I play more.

Thanks for the early feedback! Will be following your further report.

Azzurri
03-15-2012, 10:10 AM
the dunlop maxply mcenroe racquet had a similar stiffness rating

and that racket totally sucked. I really am in awe of how well Mac can play with anything (wood, max 200g, MP graphite and now this new one) and still plays at an extremely high level.

Deuces Wild
03-15-2012, 10:29 AM
Deuces Wild a few pages back showed a pic of his Bio. 300 with a Volkl leather grip. And from what you're reporting, that modified Bio. 300 is going to hard to beat with its balance of precision/pop and ability to hit with either spin or flat. Let us know what you find by upping the tension. I'm gonna be switching frames very soon, and I'm having a hard time choosing between the X-Force Pro, IG Prestige MP, and a modified Bio. 300. Had high hopes for this one, as I get sick of leading frames.

It's feels great, but the static and swingweight need to be brought up significantly as you and others have noted. The static weight went up to only 11.1 with the Volkl grip. The 200G will probably need a decent amount of lead as well.

I'm hoping to get to 11.8 with a SW in the mid 320's.

Agent Orynge
03-15-2012, 10:36 AM
AO, have you had a chance to hit with yours yet?

Yeah, I'll try to post some impressions later today.

Say Chi Sin Lo
03-15-2012, 12:38 PM
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010263.jpg

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/Unavailable29/P1010262.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/MgsCamoExample.jpg

Pneumated1
03-15-2012, 01:57 PM
It's feels great, but the static and swingweight need to be brought up significantly as you and others have noted. The static weight went up to only 11.1 with the Volkl grip. The 200G will probably need a decent amount of lead as well.

I'm hoping to get to 11.8 with a SW in the mid 320's.

Fortunately, the Dunlop 300's are some of the most customizable frames on the market. I played my 300G's at around 11.8-11.9oz. Based upon my demo impressions of your frame a few weeks ago, I think the Bio. 300 plays very solid in the 11.5 range. It's on my radar for sure. Sweet frame! I felt like I had never put my 300G's down playing with it.

I'm surprised that the Volkl leather didn't add more weight. I thought that it was reputed to be about 28-30g trimmed. Oh well, that plus 6-8g of lead at 3/9 and that much under your grip should work well for you.

lgbalfa
03-15-2012, 02:05 PM
and that racket totally sucked. I really am in awe of how well Mac can play with anything (wood, max 200g, MP graphite and now this new one) and still plays at an extremely high level.

it just shows you it is more the player than the equipment.

JGads
03-15-2012, 08:40 PM
I'll be honest. Not loving the frame so far. Higher tension was better tonight, but there's going to need to be some modification in stacking some lead beneath the grip for some bottom weight, as this frame is very even balanced as is. It may be a bit spinnier than what I normally like, too (I'm generally a fan of more controlled closed patterns). I'll try another outing with lead at the handle, but this frame may just not be for me.

Those liking big spin and pop will like this one, though. Plenty of power to be had.

KFwinds
03-16-2012, 07:14 AM
JGads, what is the strung balance of your frame? Thanks!

Shangri La
03-16-2012, 09:59 AM
Additional specs printed on frame:

Unstrung Balance: 320mm
Unstrung Weight: 313g
Length: 27"
Grip: Dunlop Tour Classic
Tension: 55-65 lbs.
Construction: HM6 Carbon

My own measurements:

Weight: 327g, strung - no OG / dampener
Balance: 4-5 points headlight
Beam Width: 21mm

Based on the unstrung specs, these strung measurements are pretty spot on. Unless it has a huge sw that makes it not very maneuverable.

316 swingweight. Johnny Mac's signature at 3 o'clock on both sides (not at 9 on either side). Beautiful frame. Snagged one.

Where did you get the sw number from ?

JGads
03-16-2012, 10:29 AM
Based on the unstrung specs, these strung measurements are pretty spot on. Unless it has a huge sw that makes it not very maneuverable.



Where did you get the sw number from ?

The Dunlop rep, who checked with his boss in NY to confirm.

Deuces Wild
03-16-2012, 10:30 AM
Fortunately, the Dunlop 300's are some of the most customizable frames on the market. I played my 300G's at around 11.8-11.9oz. Based upon my demo impressions of your frame a few weeks ago, I think the Bio. 300 plays very solid in the 11.5 range. It's on my radar for sure. Sweet frame! I felt like I had never put my 300G's down playing with it.

I'm surprised that the Volkl leather didn't add more weight. I thought that it was reputed to be about 28-30g trimmed. Oh well, that plus 6-8g of lead at 3/9 and that much under your grip should work well for you.

I was a bit surprised too regarding how little the Volkl leather grip added in weight. Thanks for the tips on the lead weight. I have to add some lead to my shopping cart the next time I have a TW shipment. I'm all out.

HenryS12
03-16-2012, 04:57 PM
I have a feeling this is a Biomimetic 300 with a leather grip. If so, they could've made it in the 16x18 pattern, more open, around 11.6 or 7 oz with about 6 or 7 pts HL like the original AG300 16x18. But I'll still demo it when it becomes available.

max200G
03-16-2012, 05:39 PM
The original Dunlop Aerogel 300 was not 11.6 oz and it was not 6 or 7 pts HL.
Also the Biomimetci Max200G has the same open string pattern 16X19 as
the original AG 300

Specification for the Aerogel 300 are :

Strung Weight: 10.9oz / 309g
Balance: 4pts Head Light
Swingweight: 316
Stiffness: 61
Beam Width: 21.5 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Graphite Multifilament / Aerogel
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Hydramax Tour
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 55-65 pounds
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCDUNLOP-DAG300.html

Agent Orynge
03-17-2012, 11:23 AM
I have a feeling this is a Biomimetic 300 with a leather grip. If so, they could've made it in the 16x18 pattern, more open, around 11.6 or 7 oz with about 6 or 7 pts HL like the original AG300 16x18. But I'll still demo it when it becomes available.

I think it's open enough as it is, since the frame is very spin friendly. A lot of that could also be the stiffness, because the frame definitely feels like it's in the mid 60s, as opposed to several of Dunlop's other offerings that specced out similarly. It has a crisp feel, but is by no means jarring - and I've been known to have a sensitive arm.

Agent Orynge
03-17-2012, 11:32 AM
Based on the unstrung specs, these strung measurements are pretty spot on. Unless it has a huge sw that makes it not very maneuverable.



Where did you get the sw number from ?

Like I mentioned before, it feels substantial when you pick it up, but it is not so weighty as to be unmaneuverable. It swings very cleanly through the contact zone, also without being so light as to mess up my timing (since I am accustomed to heavier sticks). I don't foresee many people opting to put lead in the hoop, unless they have a really hard time generating pace - which might be their own failing more than the frame. However, I could see people putting weight in the handle to raise the swingweight, for those who are looking for more of a player's racquet experience, but then you begin to defeat the whole purpose of this frame. If you want 12 ounces of graphite, look elsewhere. That having been said, I had no problem with hitting deep into the back half of the court. So far as weight/balance/SW are concerned, I think they succeeded at creating a viable, if not ideal, midrange option here.

Agent Orynge
03-17-2012, 11:51 AM
How was the stability, and how did you feel about the sweetspot size? Thanks.

The stability is good, and I didn't find the racquet torquing much in my hand on off-center shots. I agree with J, the sweet spot size seems average for a 98" frame.

Shangri La
03-17-2012, 11:55 AM
Like I mentioned before, it feels substantial when you pick it up, but it is not so weighty as to be unmaneuverable. It swings very cleanly through the contact zone, also without being so light as to mess up my timing (since I am accustomed to heavier sticks). I don't foresee many people opting to put lead in the hoop, unless they have a really hard time generating pace - which might be their own failing more than the frame. That having been said, I had no problem with hitting deep into the back half of the court. So far as weight/balance/SW are concerned, I think they succeeded at creating a viable, if not ideal, midrange option here.

Sounds very tempting. How did the control work for you? JGads seems to have struggled with it.. Thanks.

Agent Orynge
03-17-2012, 12:04 PM
I had no problem keeping the ball in the court, to be honest. Had mine strung with the Dunlop Silk that came with the frame, 58/55. I find it to be a very medium powered frame (which I must admit, does sort of undermine the "200" moniker), due to the stiffness and relatively head-heavy balance. Also, the stringbed response seems to me to be very immediate; that is to say, I didn't sense a whole lot of dwell time.

You guys have to bear in mind that these are my impressions after just a few hours of hitting. I will have to stick it out a few more weeks to make a more concrete assessment of the frame.

ToneDaBass
03-17-2012, 03:22 PM
I picked up a pamphlet when I was at IW:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422923_10100709862426837_3602923_56387400_22896727 9_n.jpg

Hidious
03-17-2012, 04:21 PM
I picked up a pamphlet when I was at IW:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422923_10100709862426837_3602923_56387400_22896727 9_n.jpg

Holy **** thanks for that! This frame looks and sounds (spec-wise) amazing!

KFwinds
03-17-2012, 05:19 PM
Man, this frame is sounding more and more like the "Grail" I've been waiting for. I'll definitely be putting some lead in the handle, as I did on my Maxplys. Although this one looks like it has a slightly lower swingweight which will help - if I add enough weight on my Maxply to really get the balance I want, the swingweight gets a little out of my comfort zone.

Very excited about this...

li0scc0
03-17-2012, 07:08 PM
and that racket totally sucked. I really am in awe of how well Mac can play with anything (wood, max 200g, MP graphite and now this new one) and still plays at an extremely high level.

Did you hit with it? DIdn't think it was bad at all, granted this was modified to 12 ounces to my typical spec. Stiff but not jarring, a lot like a friendlier K6.1

tom4ny
03-18-2012, 03:11 AM
now seeing the dunlop published specs and power wheel i have to agree that it is the bio 300 with new paint job and leather grip but it may have some more mass in the head than the regular 300.

i like the bio 300 fine but prefer the feel of the 300T. i do not think that now will be getting one of these maxply's but if it helps sell the bio line i am for it.

in_ten_city
03-18-2012, 02:52 PM
I just wish dunlop will finally release Amelie Mauresmo's racket to the public already, that would be something worth buying dozens of.

li0scc0
03-18-2012, 07:05 PM
I just wish dunlop will finally release Amelie Mauresmo's racket to the public already, that would be something worth buying dozens of.

Sadly, that is probably all they would sell of it...a few dozen. :(

gavna
03-19-2012, 04:07 PM
It's for sale already at the Sony Ericsson - they only had 1/4 and 3/8 on the rack and said the 1/2 and 5/8 would be there by mid week.

Azzurri
03-20-2012, 10:02 AM
it just shows you it is more the player than the equipment.

no doubt. seen some guys play awesome tennis with crap racquets (according to us racquet experts.:mrgreen:)

bluetrain4
03-20-2012, 10:39 AM
very tempted, but still seems a little light at around 11.5 oz strung, though it appears a little less headlight than most 200s, so SW could be fine. Was hoping for 11.7-11.9 oz strung.

asekaran
04-01-2012, 11:44 AM
Looks like a great frame. I really liked the Maxply McEnroe graphite. Can't wait to try this one out.

biciomac
04-02-2012, 12:43 AM
when will it release?

Anton
04-02-2012, 07:15 AM
Yey! Another bio 300 with an ugly paintjob and a leather grip.

Choice is good I guess.

hoodjem
04-02-2012, 07:44 AM
FINALLY!

A Dunlop 98 16 x 19, with some weight!

asekaran
04-02-2012, 03:08 PM
Aren't they supposed to go on sale soon? I heard people were getting them at Indian Wells and Miami tournaments.

KFwinds
04-02-2012, 07:11 PM
IT'S HERE! Just ordered mine :)

Larrysümmers
04-02-2012, 07:17 PM
this is why i told my mom to hide my credit card lol. cant wait to read the reviews.

SteveI
04-03-2012, 03:05 AM
The SW seems low for the rest of the specs (I think it is about 325)... I am thinking it does not swing that easy. Also.. pretty sure I can lead my AG 300s to have the same specs. Hummmm... nothing new here.. another money grab. Let the reviews flow in...

SteveI
04-03-2012, 03:11 AM
Yey! Another bio 300 with an ugly paintjob and a leather grip.

Choice is good I guess.

Hummmm.. have to go with you on this one. Maybe the higher RA will be an improvement?

DevilDog
04-03-2012, 12:14 PM
Yey! Another bio 300 with an ugly paintjob and a leather grip.

Choice is good I guess.

Thick paint, beam width is up to 22mm

vsbabolat
04-03-2012, 07:25 PM
Dunlop is shamelessly playing on the huge success they had in the past. But this new racquet will play nothing like the real Max200G. The only thing they have in common is the black, green, and gold paint.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/IMG_0725-2.jpg
Can you see the real me? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Or4QGI80Y)
I would like to see Dunlop bring back Injection Molding. Surely now with modern materials they could successfully bring out a 95sqinch frame that will not be too heavy. They did try with the Max800i and Max500i but those were to heavy and did not have the strength for the larger headsize.

bluetrain4
04-03-2012, 08:02 PM
It's very tempting for me, as someone who used a lot of 200 series frames (Revelation, Hot Melt, M-Fil, Aerogel, Aerogel 4D) to buy this frame, even though the aren't classic 200 series specs. I didn't like the regular Bio 200, and the specs of the Bio Max 200g look like they could be great (though I've played many frames with similar specs and specs are no guarantee).

So, it's really the specs and the fact that I generally like Dunlop what is attracting me. Though I'm in my late 30s and played with a 200g derivative in high school (the Max 300i), which I loved, the fact that this is a "Max 200g" means little to me. I guess it's good marketing, but I don't see a lot of players falling for it. There's an entire generation of players who are familiar with the original Max 200g who know that this is nothing like that frame. Then, there are a ton of players who don't know the Max 200g or only know it as a dinosaur frame that "old" people used.

At first, I thought I'd definitely buy it, without even demoing it. But, now I'll wait and demo it. The specs are really nice looking, but really not that special. With the Bio 200 Plus, the Bio 200 Lite, and the Bio 300 Tour, this frame seems completely unnecessary. I guess it's a combination of the 3 - larger head of the Plus, more open string pattern of the Lite, the same mold as the 300 Tour, more weight than the 300 Tour. I guess it's supposed to be the most powerful since it's stiffness rating is the highest and it's the heaviest of the aforementioned frames (but not heavier than the regular 200).

But, being a Dunlop enthusiast, I'll definitely want to try it eventually.

FearOfTheDark
04-03-2012, 08:41 PM
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Dunlop_Biomimetic_Max_200G/descpageRCDUNLOP-DBM2HG.html


ENjoy ;):)

alidisperanza
04-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Got to swing one of these about a month and a half ago. The stick itself is absolutely beautiful: I love the paintjob. Unfortunately, it swings like a club. Good plow-through at the sacrifice of feeling sluggish. I wish I could have played it at 50 with a softer poly... could have been a beast.

Unfortunately, I don't see a huge market for this frame. It's a nice stick, sure, but I'm afraid it's going to pick up KPS88 status :(

Herdsman76
04-04-2012, 03:57 AM
I look at it this way, just like my 2012 Challenger is different from my old 1974 Challenger, it's the appearance that has my attention. Of course I would have liked to see the same green striped graphics like on the 80's 200g's but this one still looks cool. Will I play with it? Probably not but I'm sure I'll end up buying one or two just for nostalgia sake.

Cheers!

H76

li0scc0
04-04-2012, 04:47 AM
I saw the specs, and very disappointed. 5 points headlight with a SW under 320? If it were 8 points at that weight and swingweight, I would have already ordered 2. But not at 5 points.

Anton
04-04-2012, 06:16 AM
the same mold as the 300 Tour

300 tour is 20mm, Max is 22mm, so it's not the same mold

KFwinds
04-04-2012, 06:21 AM
I saw the specs, and very disappointed. 5 points headlight with a SW under 320? If it were 8 points at that weight and swingweight, I would have already ordered 2. But not at 5 points.

Adjusting the balance a few points is an easy fix. You can even do it without lead -

alidisperanza
04-04-2012, 06:47 AM
I look at it this way, just like my 2012 Challenger is different from my old 1974 Challenger, it's the appearance that has my attention. Of course I would have liked to see the same green striped graphics like on the 80's 200g's but this one still looks cool. Will I play with it? Probably not but I'm sure I'll end up buying one or two just for nostalgia sake.

Cheers!

H76

Precisely
10char

rlau
04-04-2012, 07:11 AM
Unfortunately, it swings like a club. Good plow-through at the sacrifice of feeling sluggish.

Really? Its static weight and swing weight aren't that high, according to TW's specs.

L4RZ
04-04-2012, 07:16 AM
I dont get it, why 98sq and why 65RA? The original had like ~40RA and <90sq. It's closer to a babolat canon then anything else.

vsbabolat
04-04-2012, 08:20 AM
It's very tempting for me, as someone who used a lot of 200 series frames (Revelation, Hot Melt, M-Fil, Aerogel, Aerogel 4D) to buy this frame, even though the aren't classic 200 series specs. I didn't like the regular Bio 200, and the specs of the Bio Max 200g look like they could be great (though I've played many frames with similar specs and specs are no guarantee).

So, it's really the specs and the fact that I generally like Dunlop what is attracting me. Though I'm in my late 30s and played with a 200g derivative in high school (the Max 300i), which I loved, the fact that this is a "Max 200g" means little to me. I guess it's good marketing, but I don't see a lot of players falling for it. There's an entire generation of players who are familiar with the original Max 200g who know that this is nothing like that frame. Then, there are a ton of players who don't know the Max 200g or only know it as a dinosaur frame that "old" people used.

At first, I thought I'd definitely buy it, without even demoing it. But, now I'll wait and demo it. The specs are really nice looking, but really not that special. With the Bio 200 Plus, the Bio 200 Lite, and the Bio 300 Tour, this frame seems completely unnecessary. I guess it's a combination of the 3 - larger head of the Plus, more open string pattern of the Lite, the same mold as the 300 Tour, more weight than the 300 Tour. I guess it's supposed to be the most powerful since it's stiffness rating is the highest and it's the heaviest of the aforementioned frames (but not heavier than the regular 200).

But, being a Dunlop enthusiast, I'll definitely want to try it eventually.

It's not the same MOLD as the 300 Tour. It's the same mold as the regular 300.

DevilDog
04-04-2012, 09:02 AM
It's not the same MOLD as the 300 Tour. It's the same mold as the regular 300.
Wrong

10char

Rock Strongo
04-04-2012, 09:05 AM
Wrong

10char

Never challenge vsbabolat.

DevilDog
04-04-2012, 09:10 AM
Never challenge vsbabolat.
Whatever.
Anyway, to produce a racquet from the same mold with a different beam thickness would require magic.

bluetrain4
04-04-2012, 09:14 AM
It's not the same MOLD as the 300 Tour. It's the same mold as the regular 300.

My mistake.

eleventeenth street
04-04-2012, 09:36 AM
Whatever.
Anyway, to produce a racquet from the same mold with a different beam thickness would require magic.

sorry, but you're wrong, at least in terms of the beam thickness. as to whether the new max 200g and bio 300 are the same mold, vsbabolat is always a pretty reputable source of knowledge so i defer to him.

but the official beam thickness of the bio max 200g is 21 mm, just like the biomimetic 300. every other site that carries it lists a 21 mm straight beam except TW, including a member of this board that purchased one early at indian wells.

TW''s listed beam width is 22 mm because they conduct their own measurements and list the average of several racquets which is why many of their posted specs differ from other online stores and manufacturer's listed specs. check TW's beam widths for the yonex vcore line, then check the yonex site. all different

OriginalHockeytowner
04-04-2012, 09:43 AM
I love the cosmetic of this new 200G, but I think the 4D 200 will be a better fit for me, spec-wise. Absolutely gorgeous, though!

alidisperanza
04-04-2012, 03:17 PM
Really? Its static weight and swing weight aren't that high, according to TW's specs.

Yup... Pick one up and it tells a different story. Dunno, just my personal .02

ProPlayer
04-04-2012, 03:33 PM
I look at it this way, just like my 2012 Challenger is different from my old 1974 Challenger, it's the appearance that has my attention. Of course I would have liked to see the same green striped graphics like on the 80's 200g's but this one still looks cool. Will I play with it? Probably not but I'm sure I'll end up buying one or two just for nostalgia sake.

Cheers!

H76

OMG the new challenger is just horrible... do you own an H2 with chrome 22's also??? how could anyone with taste and a brain buy a new crapslyer product??? (oh wait I guess that question answers it self..)

Blahhhh!

as for the frame im quite interested, sound like what Mcenroe would play with, id love to see some Touring pro playing with it!

Herdsman76
04-04-2012, 04:52 PM
It's interesting that a guy with a Porsche avatar wants or even needs to criticize what cars other posters drive in order to make themselves sound superior. If you could afford to drive high end vehicles then you wouldn't be concerned about others. Whatever your issues are, keep them to yourself and stick to comments about tennis....

H76

li0scc0
04-05-2012, 11:15 AM
Adjusting the balance a few points is an easy fix. You can even do it without lead -

I modify racquets, and yes, it is easy with lead, fishing weights, silicone, etc.
However, to get this racquet to 8 points would require a static weight of well over 12 ounces.
My point was that with this static weight and balance, some specs (such as 11.8-11.9 with 8 points headlight) will be impossible to achieve.

Rock Strongo
04-05-2012, 01:12 PM
It's interesting that a guy with a Porsche avatar wants or even needs to criticize what cars other posters drive in order to make themselves sound superior. If you could afford to drive high end vehicles then you wouldn't be concerned about others. Whatever your issues are, keep them to yourself and stick to comments about tennis....

H76

Appears to be a 928 on his avatar aswell, which means that it'll break down quite soon.

vsbabolat
04-05-2012, 01:15 PM
Appears to be a 928 on his avatar aswell, which means that it'll break down quite soon.

I think thats a 968.

ProPlayer
04-05-2012, 01:34 PM
I think thats a 968.
whoa, someone with a brain!
968turbo RS to be exact.

ProPlayer
04-05-2012, 01:36 PM
Appears to be a 928 on his avatar aswell, which means that it'll break down quite soon.

really?? tell me more, oh porsche expert! I'd take a POS 914 over any chrysler product anyday!

ProPlayer
04-05-2012, 01:43 PM
It's interesting that a guy with a Porsche avatar wants or even needs to criticize what cars other posters drive in order to make themselves sound superior. If you could afford to drive high end vehicles then you wouldn't be concerned about others. Whatever your issues are, keep them to yourself and stick to comments about tennis....

H76

I dont try to make my self sound superior. just cause I point out crap, don't blame the messenger.
Really now, would you take the advice of someone who VOLUNTARILY drives a challenger??? why not add a tribal armband tattoo while your at it?

OriginalHockeytowner
04-05-2012, 01:54 PM
No one should take tennis advice from someone based on the kind of car they drive -- really?

Herdsman didn't even offer any advice! Biomimetic Max 200G = homage to original Max 200G, that's it, that's all he said. Take the automotive ******* contest to the OT forum.

Rock Strongo
04-05-2012, 04:47 PM
really?? tell me more, oh porsche expert! I'd take a POS 914 over any chrysler product anyday!

928's and 968's look the same.

Basically Ferdinand's idea (and may him rest in peace by the way) was "make everything look the same, no one'll notice!" Which is what Dunlop is trying to do here... (^^see? a LITTLE bit on topic!)

I want a 512BB. That's the only car able to satisfy my teenage brain. That or a purple Ferrari Daytona. Coupé or convertible, doesn't matter.

li0scc0
04-06-2012, 01:37 PM
I modify racquets, and yes, it is easy with lead, fishing weights, silicone, etc.
However, to get this racquet to 8 points would require a static weight of well over 12 ounces.
My point was that with this static weight and balance, some specs (such as 11.8-11.9 with 8 points headlight) will be impossible to achieve.

FOR EXAMPLE, right now I am selling a couple of Pacific / Fischer racquets. I was able to modify these to 329 grams (11.6), 325 swingweight, and 10 points headlight (all numbers with overgrip and dampener).

Of course to Max 200G is naturally heavier, but as mentioned, with a 318 SW I was hoping for 7-8 points headlight. In that form it would be perfect. To get to 8 points headlight, though, needs too much for static weight. Assuredly a great racquet, but will look elsewhere.

KFwinds
04-06-2012, 02:22 PM
FOR EXAMPLE, right now I am selling a couple of Pacific / Fischer racquets. I was able to modify these to 329 grams (11.6), 325 swingweight, and 10 points headlight (all numbers with overgrip and dampener).

Of course to Max 200G is naturally heavier, but as mentioned, with a 318 SW I was hoping for 7-8 points headlight. In that form it would be perfect. To get to 8 points headlight, though, needs too much for static weight. Assuredly a great racquet, but will look elsewhere.

True; it would certainly be a bit north of 12oz to get that balance point. The weight and swingweight sound good to me, so I'm hoping I'll be able to deal with the stock balance of 5 points. If I'm lucky, mine will be slightly "off spec" in my favor :) (yes, I know that doesn't help if I end up buying a second frame)

I actually like a static weight of 11.7/11.8 myself, but 12oz+ doesn't usually take me long to adjust to. Heck, I'm just a 4.0 player; just about any decent stick works for me against most of the guys and gals I play against...

li0scc0
04-07-2012, 06:28 AM
True; it would certainly be a bit north of 12oz to get that balance point. The weight and swingweight sound good to me, so I'm hoping I'll be able to deal with the stock balance of 5 points. If I'm lucky, mine will be slightly "off spec" in my favor :) (yes, I know that doesn't help if I end up buying a second frame)

I actually like a static weight of 11.7/11.8 myself, but 12oz+ doesn't usually take me long to adjust to. Heck, I'm just a 4.0 player; just about any decent stick works for me against most of the guys and gals I play against...

Great stuff! Yes, I am the same as you. Actually I prefer 12.5-13 ounces (grew up playing with a nearly 14 ounce Volkl in the late 80's) but my shoulder doesn't prefer that weight.

Shangri La
04-07-2012, 12:55 PM
I was bored and messed with TW customization tool a bit. With an overgrip, which is about 5g, I was able to make the total weight at 340g with a balance of 7.5 pts hl. This mod however only works with a 1hbh.

KFwinds
04-07-2012, 01:16 PM
Great stuff! Yes, I am the same as you. Actually I prefer 12.5-13 ounces (grew up playing with a nearly 14 ounce Volkl in the late 80's) but my shoulder doesn't prefer that weight.

Yep, it sounds like you and I have the same shoulder. If it weren't for that, I would fill my bag with 4D 200 Tours and never look back!

li0scc0
04-08-2012, 04:43 AM
Yep, it sounds like you and I have the same shoulder. If it weren't for that, I would fill my bag with 4D 200 Tours and never look back!

How true how true! In stock form is anything more solid and stable than the 4D 200 Tour?

decades
04-08-2012, 11:12 AM
basically a bio 300 with leather and new paint and some lead above the handle. :-|

eleventeenth street
04-08-2012, 11:52 AM
basically a bio 300 with leather and new paint and some lead above the handle. :-|

seems like it may play a bit more comfortable than the 300. but i could be wrong

max200G
04-08-2012, 12:00 PM
basically a bio 300 with leather and new paint and some lead above the handle. :-|

Unfortunately I think you are correct, what a disappointment !

decades
04-08-2012, 12:13 PM
Unfortunately I think you are correct, what a disappointment !


i mean this is exactly what I would do to a stock bio 300. maybe it's okay to have dunlop do the work for you for $10 extra?

max200G
04-08-2012, 04:38 PM
i mean this is exactly what I would do to a stock bio 300. maybe it's okay to have dunlop do the work for you for $10 extra?

I would agree with you but I don't think the bio 300 plays as all that well. The Aerogel 300 I think was a much nicer playing racquet.

coolblue123
04-08-2012, 06:10 PM
rembered using the original when I was in HS. I remembered that it handled heavy pace and is stable as heck. the only thing about the new version that is worrying is the weight. does it swing like a sledgehammer?

miami
04-11-2012, 10:39 AM
Right now I am using Dunlop Biomimetic 300 with lead tape from 7 cross to 14 cross and Dunlop leather grip (replaced the stock synthetic), so really curious to see how my set-up compares to the Max 200G.

Anyone have an initial review on the frame?

Pneumated1
04-11-2012, 12:07 PM
Right now I am using Dunlop Biomimetic 300 with lead tape from 7 cross to 14 cross and Dunlop leather grip (replaced the stock synthetic), so really curious to see how my set-up compares to the Max 200G.

Anyone have an initial review on the frame?

From what I understand, Dunlop's leather grip will add approximately 10 grams over a synthetic, roughly .3oz. So the Bio Max 200 with the standard synthetic of the regular Bio. 300, hypothetically speaking, comes in at roughly 11.5oz., by comparison. That's .6-.7oz. heavier than the stock Bio. 300. It doesn't sound like you have nearly that much at 3/9, so I'd bet this new Bio Max 200 will play even bigger than you currently have.

I hit the 300G for almost five years with 8-10 grams at 3/9, 2 layers of head tape covering the bumper, 14 grams inside the butt cap, and an overgrip. They spec'd out at 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and unknown swingweight, but I'm guessing 320ish. Therefore, I can't deny that this one is calling me home, and I'm resisting the temptation daily to preorder.

I'm very interested as well for anyone who has any other initial reviews on this one, besides those given my JGads and AO. The beauty of a Dunlop 300 is the ability to roll the ball into the court with ample spin but also the ability to step into the court and drive the ball flat with surgical precision. As long as I can do the latter, it'll probably be my next frame at some point. Without even touching it, I have a good idea of how well it will perform at net and on serve.

miami
04-11-2012, 07:31 PM
@Pneumated1, thank you for your reply, I had one of the racquet technicians at the Sony Ericsson Open here in Miami add about 25 grams of lead to the stock Bio. 300, and in my opinion the racquet lost an element of control when one is really accelerating the racquet head. I believe the lead I have right now adds about 6 grams (you could calculate yourself by placing from 7 cross to 14 cross). I am a former Wilson Tour 90 user (Pro Staff BLX 90 for four months, BLX 90 for 2 years, K Factor 90 for 2 years).

I am about a 4.5-5.0 NTRP player and the only shot I have struggled with is low approach shots coming into net (coming over the ball with the Bio. 300, within the service box) and bringing it down into the court (and not going long). Would never miss this shot with my Wilson 90. I am thinking the significant difference in balance is playing a role.

From what I understand, Dunlop's leather grip will add approximately 10 grams over a synthetic, roughly .3oz. So the Bio Max 200 with the standard synthetic of the regular Bio. 300, hypothetically speaking, comes in at roughly 11.5oz., by comparison. That's .6-.7oz. heavier than the stock Bio. 300. It doesn't sound like you have nearly that much at 3/9, so I'd bet this new Bio Max 200 will play even bigger than you currently have.

I hit the 300G for almost five years with 8-10 grams at 3/9, 2 layers of head tape covering the bumper, 14 grams inside the butt cap, and an overgrip. They spec'd out at 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and unknown swingweight, but I'm guessing 320ish. Therefore, I can't deny that this one is calling me home, and I'm resisting the temptation daily to preorder.

I'm very interested as well for anyone who has any other initial reviews on this one, besides those given my JGads and AO. The beauty of a Dunlop 300 is the ability to roll the ball into the court with ample spin but also the ability to step into the court and drive the ball flat with surgical precision. As long as I can do the latter, it'll probably be my next frame at some point. Without even touching it, I have a good idea of how well it will perform at net and on serve.

tennisaddict2223
04-11-2012, 07:36 PM
Picked up one of these today at the TW tent. Preliminary specs:

Headsize: 98
Weight (strung): 11.7
Stiffness: 66
String Pattern: 16x19
Grip: Dunlop Leather

More to follow once I get it home later today.

Edit: Pics start at the top of page 3.

Do you know how this racquet stacks up against the Prestige Pro.

Pneumated1
04-12-2012, 05:16 AM
@Pneumated1, thank you for your reply, I had one of the racquet technicians at the Sony Ericsson Open here in Miami add about 25 grams of lead to the stock Bio. 300, and in my opinion the racquet lost an element of control when one is really accelerating the racquet head. I believe the lead I have right now adds about 6 grams (you could calculate yourself by placing from 7 cross to 14 cross). I am a former Wilson Tour 90 user (Pro Staff BLX 90 for four months, BLX 90 for 2 years, K Factor 90 for 2 years).

I am about a 4.5-5.0 NTRP player and the only shot I have struggled with is low approach shots coming into net (coming over the ball with the Bio. 300, within the service box) and bringing it down into the court (and not going long). Would never miss this shot with my Wilson 90. I am thinking the significant difference in balance is playing a role.

I recently demoed the Bio. 300 and replaced the stock grip with a TW leather, overgrip, 6 grams (6"X4) exactly center at 3/9, and covered the whole bumper with head tape, and I was very impressed. If I were to go to that frame, I might would add 2 grams more at 3/9, but that's it. Imo, it's the best 1hbh stick on the planet.

And that's the very shot that I'm hoping to pull off with this new Bio. Max 200, the short ball around the service line or inside. My game is very dependent upon me pulling that shot off. Some comments so far about this frame being a spin monster have me concerned.

Blitzball
04-12-2012, 09:51 AM
Wait, are you guys talking about the Bio 300 non-tour stick? I'd looking for a racquet too and I also have a 1hbh and would very much like some more insight from anyone who has tried the new Max 200 and the 300

Pneumated1
04-12-2012, 02:14 PM
Wait, are you guys talking about the Bio 300 non-tour stick? I'd looking for a racquet too and I also have a 1hbh and would very much like some more insight from anyone who has tried the new Max 200 and the 300

Yes, I was referring to the regular Bio. 300. The 300 Tours are low-powered control freaks that can turn into sublime scalpels with sufficient lead in the hoop and a leather or heavy grip or lots of lead under the grip. I hit a 4D 300 Tour for two years, and weighted up at least .5oz., it was sweet. I still miss that frame at times. Anyway, any Dunlop 300 is a 1hbh hitting machine; that I can guarantee. And this Bio. Max "200" is just a heavier 300 with a nostalgic moniker. We'll see how it turns out.

decades
04-12-2012, 02:36 PM
From what I understand, Dunlop's leather grip will add approximately 10 grams over a synthetic, roughly .3oz. So the Bio Max 200 with the standard synthetic of the regular Bio. 300, hypothetically speaking, comes in at roughly 11.5oz., by comparison. That's .6-.7oz. heavier than the stock Bio. 300. It doesn't sound like you have nearly that much at 3/9, so I'd bet this new Bio Max 200 will play even bigger than you currently have.

I hit the 300G for almost five years with 8-10 grams at 3/9, 2 layers of head tape covering the bumper, 14 grams inside the butt cap, and an overgrip. They spec'd out at 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and unknown swingweight, but I'm guessing 320ish. Therefore, I can't deny that this one is calling me home, and I'm resisting the temptation daily to preorder.

I'm very interested as well for anyone who has any other initial reviews on this one, besides those given my JGads and AO. The beauty of a Dunlop 300 is the ability to roll the ball into the court with ample spin but also the ability to step into the court and drive the ball flat with surgical precision. As long as I can do the latter, it'll probably be my next frame at some point. Without even touching it, I have a good idea of how well it will perform at net and on serve.

I wonder where the lead is on the new 200g. do they put some in the handle in additon to the leather and then put some in the hoop. or do they put most of the lead above the handle and below the balance point along the throat. whatever they do has to result in a stick that is HL 5 pts.

Pneumated1
04-12-2012, 05:51 PM
I wonder where the lead is on the new 200g. do they put some in the handle in additon to the leather and then put some in the hoop. or do they put most of the lead above the handle and below the balance point along the throat. whatever they do has to result in a stick that is HL 5 pts.

Are you referring to the extra weight in the layup? I don't know, but my guess would be in the throat and through the hoop mostly. The leather is probably there to keep the balance close to honest (and because McEnroe hits it). Historically, the 300's are beefed up in the throat and through the shoulders, but the Bio. 300 feels distributed throughout the hoop, maybe even more in the upper hoop, but I can't say so definitively.

From some of the information that I'm getting, this Bio. Max 200 may play differently than the Bio. 300 with leather and lead. I don't know that one user will automatically like the other. You may be right in your posts above, unfortunately. We'll see what the other reviews say.

miami
04-12-2012, 06:05 PM
Racquet in hand folks!

I have my Max 200G and 300 both strung with Alu Power Spin at 55 lbs.

Here are the specs:

200G
1/2" HL on my Alpha Viper Balance Beam
333 g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
311 g unstrung

300
6.5/8" HL
323g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
290 / 292 g unstrung (from my other 2 300s that are brand new)

You are correct in reading, the 300 is actually more head light than the 200G despite what is indicated on the TW Specs. Also, interestingly, on the 200G frame, the unstrung balance and unstrung weight are listed in comparison to the 300 which lists strung balance and strung weight.

I will practice tomorrow at 1 p.m. and report back after the weekend.

miami
04-12-2012, 06:07 PM
Keep in mind my 300 has added lead tape at 3/9 and a Dunlop leather grip

Racquet in hand folks!

I have my Max 200G and 300 both strung with Alu Power Spin at 55 lbs.

Here are the specs:

200G
1/2" HL on my Alpha Viper Balance Beam
333 g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
311 g unstrung

300
6.5/8" HL
323g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
290 / 292 g unstrung (from my other 2 300s that are brand new)

You are correct in reading, the 300 is actually more head light than the 200G despite what is indicated on the TW Specs. Also, interestingly, on the 200G frame, the unstrung balance and unstrung weight are listed in comparison to the 300 which lists strung balance and strung weight.

I will practice tomorrow at 1 p.m. and report back after the weekend.

KFwinds
04-12-2012, 10:55 PM
Also received mine. Guess what, folks - this is NOT from the same mold as my AG 300's (reg and 4D). Has slight indentations where the throat meets the hoop (the AG's do not) and is a bit rounder/wider in the shoulders. Not sure how this compares to the Bio 300 though, as I don't own that one. Specs are spot on as published. The leather grip is velvety soft - one of the nicer leathers I've encountered. Similar to the Prince calfskin. One other detail of note; my frame appears to measure 1/8" short of 27" unstrung. We'll see what happens once I string this baby up in the morning...hope it hits half as good as it looks!

KFwinds
04-12-2012, 11:02 PM
Ok, just checked the pics of the Bio 300 and it could be the same mold. Wasn't aware that the AG's were that much different. My Maxply Mac also has the indentations at the throat. Can't wait to hit with this baby!

Pneumated1
04-13-2012, 04:03 AM
Ok, just checked the pics of the Bio 300 and it could be the same mold. Wasn't aware that the AG's were that much different. My Maxply Mac also has the indentations at the throat. Can't wait to hit with this baby!

The Aerogel and 4D's were from a different mold. The HM, Mfil, and Bio. are from the same, which should be the same as this one. Let us know what you think of the frame as soon as you can. Thanks!

rallyguy
04-13-2012, 10:51 AM
Agreed. I'm eagerly awaiting your reviews about this one. Hoping it has a nice feel and plays a bit softer than the 65 specified. My demo is arriving next week I hope.

KFwinds
04-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Just got back from the courts. This is actually the first Biomimetic frame I have hit with, and it actually plays exactly as I expected it to in relationship to it's printed specs. It swings very smooth, and I like the way it is balanced better than the Maxply. The only thing that caught me a little by surprise was the feel. Now, you may be able to take this comment with a grain of salt since I have it strung with Klip Legend 17g at 53/50, but it was quite soft and muted - for a Dunlop. There is still very adequate (for me) feedback and ball feel, just not as raw as some other Dunlop frames I've owned (200's and 300's). Very smooth and comfy, but once again, I purposely strung it to try to get that kind of a feel. Maybe someone can tell me - do other Biomimetics have a more soft, muted feel than the AG's, M-Fils, or HM's?

Overall, the Bio Max 200g seems to be a very smooth hitting stick as a few others who have tried also mentioned. I look forward to getting it back to the court and getting to know this racquet a little better. The weight and balance seem perfect to me; the only thing I might try is a synthetic grip with some lead on the handle to compensate for the difference in weight from the leather, although the leather on this racquet is really nice - I may not bother. Seems like this one might be a keeper!

KFwinds
04-13-2012, 01:27 PM
BTW, the length issue I mentioned in my earlier post was resolved after I strung it up. It just seemed odd that the hoop was slightly distorted before stringing...it's all good now :)

Blitzball
04-13-2012, 02:12 PM
Thanks Pneumated 1. Yes, the Biomimetics are definitely more muted compared to all the previous versions. That's been a trend with many new racquets as of late and the new Dunlops are no exception. How good is the spin potential and power, what is it comparable to?

Rock Strongo
04-13-2012, 02:14 PM
Could anyone compare it to the old Max? I know it won't be similar but just as a fun thing!

miami
04-13-2012, 02:21 PM
Hey everyone

I hit with the Max 200G today and I did feel it was slightly muted. However, I also felt the 300 is slightly muted. The Max 200G definitely has more control over the 300, while also having more power due to the higher weight. The stock Max 200G also has more plow-through than my customized 300, which makes sense given it is still heavier. Therefore, Bio Max 200G is an overall improvement on Bio 300 if you are a serious player.

I recommend this racquet for a playtest. While I prefer the paint on the 300, the Max 200G will be my tournament racquet for the next several years.

Shangri La
04-13-2012, 02:56 PM
Thanks for the early reviews. The racquet is looking good.

Hey everyone

I hit with the Max 200G today and I did feel it was slightly muted. However, I also felt the 300 is slightly muted. The Max 200G definitely has more control over the 300, while also having more power due to the higher weight. The stock Max 200G also has more plow-through than my customized 300, which makes sense given it is still heavier. Therefore, Bio Max 200G is an overall improvement on Bio 300 if you are a serious player.

I recommend this racquet for a playtest. While I prefer the paint on the 300, the Max 200G will be my tournament racquet for the next several years.

Would you say the Max 200G Bio is more muted than the Bio 300? Just would like a reference point as I'm not very familiar with Dunlop frames. And how have you customized your Bio 300? Thanks.

Pneumated1
04-13-2012, 03:02 PM
KFWinds, Miami,

My main concern is whether or not you can flatten the ball out with control and precision? How would you describe your playing styles? Thanks.

KFwinds
04-13-2012, 11:26 PM
I am a 4.0 left-handed player, all-court game although I play a lot of doubles and like to end points at the net, I do prefer to use spin and placement over power.

Come to think of it, when I was hitting with the Max I did notice that most of my groundstrokes tended to loop a bit. Next time out I'll try to hit a few flatter balls just to see how things go. Another interesting thing I noticed was that the specs are almost identical to the YT Prestige Pro; I demoed that racquet late last summer and don't remember it having nearly the same pop as the Max 200g. The stringbed on the Bio Max seems a lot more lively. Just FYI for those who might be looking for a comparison since the two are so close on paper.

Pneumated1
04-14-2012, 06:14 AM
I am a 4.0 left-handed player, all-court game although I play a lot of doubles and like to end points at the net, I do prefer to use spin and placement over power.

Come to think of it, when I was hitting with the Max I did notice that most of my groundstrokes tended to loop a bit. Next time out I'll try to hit a few flatter balls just to see how things go. Another interesting thing I noticed was that the specs are almost identical to the YT Prestige Pro; I demoed that racquet late last summer and don't remember it having nearly the same pop as the Max 200g. The stringbed on the Bio Max seems a lot more lively. Just FYI for those who might be looking for a comparison since the two are so close on paper.

Sounds like your game is modeled after the guy who signed your racquet:) I bet the stick is a good fit for you. What you've stated is what I suspected, so I think that it might not be the best fit for me.

Thanks for the feedback and enjoy the frame!

KFwinds
04-14-2012, 09:38 AM
Sounds like your game is modeled after the guy who signed your racquet:) I bet the stick is a good fit for you. What you've stated is what I suspected, so I think that it might not be the best fit for me.

Thanks for the feedback and enjoy the frame!

I read your post from the other thread, and if you really enjoy the 300 you should probably give the Bio Max a demo. I can definitely hit solid flat shots with my AG 300's (1hBh's are very precise!), and so far have no reason to believe that I won't be able to hit the same variety of shots with the Bio Max. My first time out with a stick I usually try to get used to the way it feels and handles, and I haven't had enough time with it yet to really open up the playbook and test my "repertoire" of shots. Didn't play any sets or games, as I was just rallying with a lower level hitting partner. It may or may not be suited for your game, but I think you'll probably find it to be an enjoyable hit.

Hope this helps! -K

oldSchool
04-14-2012, 06:14 PM
this is the dunlop that does it all, and I've owned or hit with almost every one of them for the last 3 iterations
what's weird is I haven't had this much confidence with my game since I played with the original back in the day
serving tip w/ this one-try turning your body completely parallel to the baseline or more, like Mac
leave the leather grip on and don't overgrip it, trust the feel...
like a mutant ninja bio 100 on steroidsdripping with feelyes, I'm in awe and the first to own and use them in the PNW that I know of-mine shipped the day they came in to TW

hoodjem
04-15-2012, 07:56 AM
Anyone had a chance to demo or play-test yet?

Anyone able to offer play-test comparisons to the 300 (98 sq. in.) series?

ilian
04-15-2012, 09:01 AM
this is the dunlop that does it all, and I've owned or hit with almost every one of them for the last 3 iterations
what's weird is I haven't had this much confidence with my game since I played with the original back in the day
serving tip w/ this one-try turning your body completely parallel to the baseline or more, like Mac
leave the leather grip on and don't overgrip it, trust the feel...
like a mutant ninja bio 100 on steroidsdripping with feelyes, I'm in awe and the first to own and use them in the PNW that I know of-mine shipped the day they came in to TW

You are getting me pretty curious my friend... I really need to try this one out. The original Max 200G is my all-time favorite racquet and I have never been able to find a substitute for it yet, so I am getting a little excited after reading your post. However, I cannot get really excited like I used to back in the day when the fist new versions of the 200 series were coming out. I always thought that Dunlop would somehow recreate the abilities of the old Max, but every time I was left disappointed. That happened so many times, that now I just have no more belief left that this will ever happen, unless they bring back the injection moulding back... It's this 0.0000000000001% hope left in me that somehow a new racquet could come close enough to the original so that I can once and for all buy a 100 of them and enjoy tennis for the rest of my life like I used to back in the day with the IMF Max 200G...

KFwinds
04-15-2012, 04:14 PM
Anyone had a chance to demo or play-test yet?

Anyone able to offer comparisons to the 300 (98 sq. in.) series?

Sure; check out posts 181-197 ;)

miami
04-18-2012, 07:45 PM
Hi Everyone,

So I am switching to the new Max 200G from my Wilson Pro Staff 90, the only shot I am struggling with the new racquet is the short and low ball inside/around the service line. I am convinced it is because of the difference in balance with the racquet. I think the difference in balance may be greater than the TW specs indicate.

Any advice on this? Obviously, work with my coach and hit more balls to correct the swing for the new racquet but let me know if this seems logical. I am a strong 5.0 player who used the Wilson 90 for the last five years. It was easier to get under the ball with the Wilson but the Dunlop delivers more power with similar level of precision.

miami
04-18-2012, 07:45 PM
It seems like static / even balance racquet now versus head light racquet before.

miami
04-18-2012, 07:47 PM
Also, on the passing shot with opponent at the net, same experience. Or a serve into the body, more difficult to do service return versus before.

crazyups
04-20-2012, 07:37 PM
I just got my bio max 200g and hit with the ball machine and serves. So far I am impressed. My point of reference is my maxply mac customized to 342 grams and 3/8ths of an inch head light. I customized the 200g to the same specs. the bio is more comfortable and seems a bit more powerful but pretty much the same otherwise so I am happy, after about 8 years of trying different racquets my search seems to be over and I will be saving money assuming that the 200g performs the way I expect it to in match play. Now since it has a lower swing weight than the maxply I have more lead in the head so it seems more stable but not by much. I will report back after my first match.

yourmailman
04-24-2012, 03:20 PM
OK, I think I am gonn ahave to try this puppy out.

I played the MaxPly McEnroe and I loved it except that it was more square than I was used to. This looks like it won't have that issue.

I just recently switched to the Dunlop Biomimetic 100 and really like it, and now you guys have forced me to rethink that decision.

Agent Orynge
04-24-2012, 10:17 PM
Do you know how this racquet stacks up against the Prestige Pro.

I haven't tried the newer IG model, but the last gen PP was whippier and less arm friendly than the BioMax.

crazyups
04-25-2012, 08:01 AM
OK, I think I am gonn ahave to try this puppy out.

I played the MaxPly McEnroe and I loved it except that it was more square than I was used to. This looks like it won't have that issue.

I just recently switched to the Dunlop Biomimetic 100 and really like it, and now you guys have forced me to rethink that decision.

What do you mean by more square? Headsize and shape is identical, it is the same mold.

niktub
04-25-2012, 08:15 AM
not same mold and headsize with bio 100

vsbabolat
04-25-2012, 08:37 AM
not same mold and headsize with bio 100

He was referring to the Maxply McEnroe.

Pneumated1
04-25-2012, 09:01 AM
I almost preordered one these, but I'm glad that I refrained, as it sounds as if it plays stiffer than my hoped for, weighted HM/Bio. 300. The Bio. 300, imo, actually plays more flexible than its stated stiffness. Hard to beat an HM/Bio. 300 with leather and lots of lead. A true "Jack-of-all-trades."

bluetrain4
04-25-2012, 09:34 AM
I had a brief "I must have this!" moment with the new Max 200g, but it's subsided. I'm sure I'll hit with one eventually and who knows, maybe down the road I'll buy one. But, the necessity of doing anything immediately is long gone.

yourmailman
04-25-2012, 10:28 AM
Yes, I was referring to the shape of the tube on the MaxPly McEnroe and not the shape of the head. I understand that the head size is different from the Bio 100.

mario58
04-25-2012, 01:24 PM
I have been playing with one of the bio max 200g for the past week and I just ordered another. Plays close to the 100 except it's a bit more forgiving. Its very stable and I have enjoyed it very much. I have it strung with nat gut mains and alu rough crosses. It plays softer than the 66 rating as to why I went with my gut/poly set up for a stiffer frame. I am going to string the next one with poly/multi hybrid as the racket plays muted and softer than expected. I would rate the flex around 62-64. Don't let the stiffness stop you from trying it, its a great racket.

rallyguy
04-25-2012, 01:28 PM
Mine arrives tomorrow can't wait. I've heard mixed things about it's stiffness which is my biggest concern. Hoping this is the one as all looks good-

yourmailman
04-25-2012, 03:47 PM
Just ordered mine.

Shangri La
04-25-2012, 03:50 PM
Called TW and the rep said the demo will be available in .... a month :shock: I will check with local shop again, and may just blind order one..

DevilDog
04-25-2012, 04:43 PM
Just ordered mine.

NEEWMAN!


I had to

nickynu
04-27-2012, 05:26 PM
Anyone prepared to post a really in depth review with marks out of 10 for serves returns backhands forehands groundies volleys touch power manouverability ETC please ?

Pneumated1
04-28-2012, 04:18 AM
Any advice on this? Obviously, work with my coach and hit more balls to correct the swing for the new racquet but let me know if this seems logical. I am a strong 5.0 player who used the Wilson 90 for the last five years. It was easier to get under the ball with the Wilson but the Dunlop delivers more power with similar level of precision.

Coming from the Wilson 90, my guess would be that you're missing the much more headlight balance. I'd tinker with lead on the pallet to try to gain another 2-3 point balance shift towards the handle. As you probably know, weight distribution is such a personal preference, so you might like the weight at 7" above the butt cap, maybe 3", or even near or inside the butt cap. Either way, a lighter hoop/more racquet head speed should pick this low/short ball, I would think.

And thanks for the updates on the frame.

I have been playing with one of the bio max 200g for the past week and I just ordered another. Plays close to the 100 except it's a bit more forgiving. Its very stable and I have enjoyed it very much. I have it strung with nat gut mains and alu rough crosses. It plays softer than the 66 rating as to why I went with my gut/poly set up for a stiffer frame. I am going to string the next one with poly/multi hybrid as the racket plays muted and softer than expected. I would rate the flex around 62-64. Don't let the stiffness stop you from trying it, its a great racket.

In that case, then, and considering that the comments on stiffness are all over the place, I'll not dismiss it quite yet. My main sticks are BB Londons weighted a little heavier than this Dunlop, and to be honest, I'd welcome a touch more stiffness. I'll definitely have to hit it. Thanks.

Called TW and the rep said the demo will be available in .... a month :shock: I will check with local shop again, and may just blind order one..

I can't encourage this move enough, considering that our tastes in sticks are very similar, I trust your opinions, and it would save me $180:)----at least for the moment.

crazyups
04-28-2012, 04:59 PM
Yes, I was referring to the shape of the tube on the MaxPly McEnroe and not the shape of the head. I understand that the head size is different from the Bio 100.

Well the max 200g has the same tube shape as the maxply. It also plays very similarly, the maxply seems to have a bit more control but maybe I just need more time with the 200g. One thing that is different besides the stiffness is that my slices launch at a higher angle so I have to adjust my grip a bit with the 200g. I have made the weight and balance the same as the maxply but there is that something that is better with an inherently higher swingweight and having to use less lead like with the maxply. Since I have only one maxply I may get me a slazenger pro braided, or I may just get to love the 200g with time.

DevilDog
04-28-2012, 05:25 PM
Has anyone opened the trap door, or looked under the grip?

atatu
05-10-2012, 08:49 AM
Seems like the hype of this frame has died down a little...I tried it out yesterday, and I wasn't expecting much, but I have to say I really liked it a lot. Good power off both side and it volleyed very well, it did feel a bit stiffer to me, but no elbow pain. I'm going to play a couple of sets with it this weekend and will post more after that.

bluetrain4
05-10-2012, 08:54 AM
Seems like the hype of this frame has died down a little...I tried it out yesterday, and I wasn't expecting much, but I have to say I really liked it a lot. Good power off both side and it volleyed very well, it did feel a bit stiffer to me, but no elbow pain. I'm going to play a couple of sets with it this weekend and will post more after that.

Yeah, I haven't heard much since the huge initial outburst before and immeidately after the frame was released.

Admittedly, I was one of the people who said I'd "defintely" buy it, but I realized there was no rush. I'm sure it's a good stick, but I don't see it as being so otherwordly that I HAVE to have one. I'll eventually get a chance to hit with one and then we'll see.

But, as always, I love to hear first-hand accounts from actual users.

KFwinds
05-10-2012, 11:41 AM
Still like mine, especially after tweaking the balance a little bit. I removed the leather grip and added weight to the bottom of the handle to make it more headlight. Swings a little easier now, and my Klip Legend strings have settled in nicely. I did open the trap door to put a little weight inside. I noticed someone asking about this; I didn't find anything special or unusual - looked pretty much like all the other Dunlops on the inside.

I did put it down for a few weeks as I had a few other frames I wanted to demo, but the BioMax 200g is definitely a beast :)

eleventeenth street
05-10-2012, 12:08 PM
Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv86iJ3CiCU&feature=g-u-u

hoodjem
05-11-2012, 08:11 AM
Yep. A heavier 300 series with 16 X 19--just what I'm looking for.

Larrysümmers
05-11-2012, 09:16 AM
on my to demo list

Shangri La
05-21-2012, 01:43 PM
I can't encourage this move enough, considering that our tastes in sticks are very similar, I trust your opinions, and it would save me $180:)----at least for the moment.

I've had my fair share of racquets and have only blind bought 2 without demo - the London, and now the Max 200G. And I have to say both are great great racquets.

My Max 200G comes a bit more hh than printed/TW specs. With 3g of weight at the end of handle and overgrip/dampener, it weighs 11.8 oz and is 4.88 pts hl using my ultra precise table edge measurement :), and has an estimated sw of under 325. Pickup weight is pretty hefty probably due to the balance. I have it strung with Pacific gut/Silverstring at 54/50.

In play the Max 200G is a very nice all-court racquet. It does everything well with precision, and IMO is best suited for long/smooth/relaxed swing. It can pull off all sorts of shots with a solid feel behind it - top/drive/slice/touch shots/etc. The level of versatility you get from the Max is almost midsize-frame-like. It is more stable than the London in stock form, and has a more raw/unfiltered feel. It doesnt swing as fast as the London but is certainly maneuverable. Like the London the Max has a healthy sweetspot. It offers a lot of finesse and precision, and is great for touch/feel players. You can also count on it if you need to drive or flatten the ball for winners. It is a very solid racquet that has a great ball feel. Good power level and forgiving to rally with from the baseline. It reminds me a lot of the IG Prestige Pro, but with much better ball feel and maneuverability, and slightly less plow which is no shame considering the weight difference and that the Pro has amazing plowthrough compared to any racquets.

I've only had a couple of hours but am very happy with it. If I had to nit-pick, I would prefer a more hl balance. But again that's if I try hard to nit-pick. You're sporting the IG Prestige MP if I'm not mistaken? If you ever feel want to try a 16 main, I highly recommend the Max :)

Pneumated1
05-22-2012, 03:26 AM
In play the Max 200G is a very nice all-court racquet. It does everything well with precision, and IMO is best suited for long/smooth/relaxed swing. It can pull off all sorts of shots with a solid feel behind it - top/drive/slice/touch shots/etc. The level of versatility you get from the Max is almost midsize-frame-like. It is more stable than the London in stock form, and has a more raw/unfiltered feel. It doesnt swing as fast as the London but is certainly maneuverable. Like the London the Max has a healthy sweetspot. It offers a lot of finesse and precision, and is great for touch/feel players. You can also count on it if you need to drive or flatten the ball for winners. It is a very solid racquet that has a great ball feel. Good power level and forgiving to rally with from the baseline. It reminds me a lot of the IG Prestige Pro, but with much better ball feel and maneuverability, and slightly less plow which is no shame considering the weight difference and that the Pro has amazing plowthrough compared to any racquets.

I've only had a couple of hours but am very happy with it. If I had to nit-pick, I would prefer a more hl balance. But again that's if I try hard to nit-pick. You're sporting the IG Prestige MP if I'm not mistaken? If you ever feel want to try a 16 main, I highly recommend the Max :)

Thanks for the post. It's what I needed to know.

Still sporting the Londons as my match sticks and just tinkered with the IG Prestige MP. It's a great frame as well but a little anemic by comparison. I have it for sale, but if it doesn't sell, I may tinker with it some more. I could definitely use it, but I'm playing well with the Londons.

My only knock on the London is the slight compromise in precision and difficulty driving a ball, especially mid-court, for winners-----both of which you've alluded to positively for the BioMax 200. My Londons are right at 12oz., or just under, 6 pts. hl, and SW around 325-330 (I'm guessing). These frames probably compare favorably and play similarly.

My last question would concern ball quality. Does the Dunlop produce as quality a ball as a weighted London? Better? Thanks again for sharing.

Shangri La
05-22-2012, 11:37 AM
Thanks for the post. It's what I needed to know.

Still sporting the Londons as my match sticks and just tinkered with the IG Prestige MP. It's a great frame as well but a little anemic by comparison. I have it for sale, but if it doesn't sell, I may tinker with it some more. I could definitely use it, but I'm playing well with the Londons.

My only knock on the London is the slight compromise in precision and difficulty driving a ball, especially mid-court, for winners-----both of which you've alluded to positively for the BioMax 200. My Londons are right at 12oz., or just under, 6 pts. hl, and SW around 325-330 (I'm guessing). These frames probably compare favorably and play similarly.

My last question would concern ball quality. Does the Dunlop produce as quality a ball as a weighted London? Better? Thanks again for sharing.

One thing I should have mentioned is that I feel more confident swinging out going for the shot with the McEnroe racquet, because of the predictable string bed. If I miss the shot, which happens more often than I'm willing to admit :), I know it's me and what to adjust the next shot.

As for ball quality, I have to admit that I haven't been able to hit with the London for a while for a better comparison. Shame on me, I know. Going by memory I think the McEnroe racquet produces about the same quality ball as my 11.7oz/323sw London, or maybe a little better than the London. 2 things to keep in mind though: 1, my Dunlop has more mass in the head than its printed specs and is about 5 points higher in sw than TW specs. But, 2, I'm more confident going for the shot with the Dunlop. On a side note, I dont like lower powered racquets. I had a TY non-IG Prestige MP weighed to 12.2oz/low 320's sw and I didn't hit as heavy a ball as with my Londons. But I dont feel my Max 200G is underpowered at all.

I've only had a couple of hours with the Max but I think it's a good fit for me. As TM put it, one should know if a racquet works for him or not within 20 or 30 minutes and I agree with that. Hope this helps :)

Pneumated1
05-22-2012, 02:23 PM
One thing I should have mentioned is that I feel more confident swinging out going for the shot with the McEnroe racquet, because of the predictable string bed. If I miss the shot, which happens more often than I'm willing to admit :), I know it's me and what to adjust the next shot.

As for ball quality, I have to admit that I haven't been able to hit with the London for a while for a better comparison. Shame on me, I know. Going by memory I think the McEnroe racquet produces about the same quality ball as my 11.7oz/323sw London, or maybe a little better than the London. 2 things to keep in mind though: 1, my Dunlop has more mass in the head than its printed specs and is about 5 points higher in sw than TW specs. But, 2, I'm more confident going for the shot with the Dunlop. On a side note, I dont like lower powered racquets. I had a TY non-IG Prestige MP weighed to 12.2oz/low 320's sw and I didn't hit as heavy a ball as with my Londons. But I dont feel my Max 200G is underpowered at all.

I've only had a couple of hours with the Max but I think it's a good fit for me. As TM put it, one should know if a racquet works for him or not within 20 or 30 minutes and I agree with that. Hope this helps :)

My old 300G's, which I hit for over four years were customized to 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and 320-325 sw. I loved them but I knew of very few people that liked the frame as much as I did. In fact, most who tried my frames were unimpressed somehow:-? I can pick up any 300 and play like I never put the thing down. In a league match the other day I busted a string in both of my Londons within 30min. time and finished the match with a teammates AG 300, stock. My serve didn't suffer, and my backhand, top and slice, were actually enhanced. Dunlop 300's are the best 1hbh sticks on the planet in my estimation. I couldn't find my forehand with the racquet because of the AG 300 wobble/flex in the hoop, which doomed me, but I'd fix that with lead. All of this to say that I think you've sold me, as if I needed a lot of selling, so I may have to bite on this. Maybe I'll give the new TW trade-in system a go and see what I can get for a practically new Prestige.

As much as I love the London, I was always a little more confident going for a shot with the Dunlop 300's. And considering that they've put one in my spec-range wheelhouse, I'll have to think on this a bit. Thanks for the response.

Shangri La
05-22-2012, 05:58 PM
My old 300G's, which I hit for over four years were customized to 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and 320-325 sw. I loved them but I knew of very few people that liked the frame as much as I did. In fact, most who tried my frames were unimpressed somehow:-? I can pick up any 300 and play like I never put the thing down. In a league match the other day I busted a string in both of my Londons within 30min. time and finished the match with a teammates AG 300, stock. My serve didn't suffer, and my backhand, top and slice, were actually enhanced. Dunlop 300's are the best 1hbh sticks on the planet in my estimation. I couldn't find my forehand with the racquet because of the AG 300 wobble/flex in the hoop, which doomed me, but I'd fix that with lead. All of this to say that I think you've sold me, as if I needed a lot of selling, so I may have to bite on this. Maybe I'll give the new TW trade-in system a go and see what I can get for a practically new Prestige.

As much as I love the London, I was always a little more confident going for a shot with the Dunlop 300's. And considering that they've put one in my spec-range wheelhouse, I'll have to think on this a bit. Thanks for the response.

It sounds you really feel home with the 300 series. And Mr. McEnroe must have read your mind to design the Max 200G almost exactly like your old 300! But I'd still suggest you to demo one before committing a purchase. And TW's written review should be out any time and it will be interesting to see what they have to say. Actually I can PM you a source if you consider a buy just not sure how to do it..

Pneumated1
05-23-2012, 03:39 AM
It sounds you really feel home with the 300 series. And Mr. McEnroe must have read your mind to design the Max 200G almost exactly like your old 300! But I'd still suggest you to demo one before committing a purchase. And TW's written review should be out any time and it will be interesting to see what they have to say. Actually I can PM you a source if you consider a buy just not sure how to do it..

One more question for you: Did you hit the Bio. 300? If so, how would you compare it to the BioMax 200?

As far as the reference; I'd like to have it. You can email me through the site if you wish, although I see that I cannot contact you that way.

Shangri La
05-23-2012, 12:45 PM
One more question for you: Did you hit the Bio. 300? If so, how would you compare it to the BioMax 200?


Yes, I've demo'd a Bio300 once briefly and it was the first time I hit with a Dunlop 300 16x19. I was pleasantly surprised by its control and feel. The best part was the racquet complemented my stroke nicely and swung very naturally for me despite its almost even balance. On the downside I felt it was very low-powered and lack stability especially torsionally. I did add 6g of lead at 3/9/12 bringing its sw to near 320 and it responded well. But I still felt the power level was low. Its control maybe I mean maybe ever so slightly better than the Max? I really didnt have enough time with the Bio 300 to be sure.

So my blind buy isnt that blind after hearing people saying the Max is more of a 300 and I think it is true. I can see the 300 root in the McEnroe racquet but it's really a beefed up version that's better in almost every way. Maybe a leaded/leather-gripped Bio300 can come closer but from my brief hit I still think the Max hits a more solid ball. An analogy would be Djokovic2011 is so much better than Djokovic2010 that they are almost two different players although both are, well, Djokovic :) PS - message sent.

And TW's full review is up!

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/DBM2HG/DBM2HGReview.html

max200G
06-05-2012, 05:06 PM
Well I finally had an opportunity to try the New Dunlop Biomimetic Max 200G WOW ! I was pleasantly surprised how great it plays. Lots of power, big sweet spot plenty of plow though a very solid racquet It does not feel as stiff as the 65 RA's. It's very smooth with just enough feed back for great feel around the net, some of us still venture up there

NicoHK
06-07-2012, 04:01 AM
Hey guys,

I have always been a great fan of all the Dunlop 300 series from the Hotmelt (that still the best IMO) to the 4D. I did not buy the BIO 300 and switch to the HEAD IG Speed 300 about one year ago after playing with Dunlop for more than 10 years.

And even if I get used to the Head stick, I still miss the dunlop feeling so I decided to give a try to the new Bio Max 200 G.

I though it was closer to the Bio 300 but it is definitely not only a 300 with a leather grip. It has its own feelings and this suits me well! Of course, I can't refind the same spin potentiel I have developed with the IG Speed 300 but in terms of plow through and pace, it is by far better.

As on every Dunlop racquets, I have added about 6g of lead at 3 and 9 to make it more stable and the result is very nice. With an overgrip and a dmapener, it nrings it to 336g.

On serve, even if I lost a bit of power, it is very precise, and quite easy to hit kick serves. Slices serves are not too bad but this is really not one of my best shot.

On forehand, I am more a natural flat hitter, it comes to its climax, as the head speed can generate great speed to the ball without sacrifiying control. The ball is kept in the court and you can swing high without restraint. I still have some dificulties for the drop shot but switching from Speed300 to this needs a bit of adaptation.

On my 1HBH, this is by far better than the Head. For slice shots, it feels great and very precise. For both short angle shots or down the line shot, the slices are really performing. On spin shot, it is correct but I am more used to flat BH which is so nice with it too.

Volley: nothing to add, it feels great, maybe a lack of stability on hard passing shots but I guess my arm is something to do with this!

The 65 RA stiffness is not that hard, I would say it feels more around 64 but, compared to my IG 300 ,it still feel stiff. For now, my arm does not complain and my shoulder does not moan either.

All in all, I do think the Bio Max 200G (even if nothing to do with the original same name stick) is better than the BIO300 and is somewhere between the Bio200 and the 300. No matter the name it was given, some would say it is more a 300 than a 200, I don't care at all. THis stick is for player who prefere hit flat and who are looking for pace and precision without needing a 345g stick.

Last remark, I am playing with Head Intellitour string, 25kg, and this is very confortable.

Will let you know whether I decide to switch from IG 300 to BioMax200 for good...

ccmtennis
06-07-2012, 07:03 AM
Thanks for the post. It's what I needed to know.

Still sporting the Londons as my match sticks and just tinkered with the IG Prestige MP. It's a great frame as well but a little anemic by comparison. I have it for sale, but if it doesn't sell, I may tinker with it some more. I could definitely use it, but I'm playing well with the Londons.

My only knock on the London is the slight compromise in precision and difficulty driving a ball, especially mid-court, for winners-----both of which you've alluded to positively for the BioMax 200. My Londons are right at 12oz., or just under, 6 pts. hl, and SW around 325-330 (I'm guessing). These frames probably compare favorably and play similarly.

My last question would concern ball quality. Does the Dunlop produce as quality a ball as a weighted London? Better? Thanks again for sharing.

I was struggling with the decision on the similar 2 rackets in the last few weeks. I was also used to mid 11oz range sticks and leaded up my londons as well. I love the feel in my hand with it but just play better with the stock form due to the control issues you mentioned and so I took off the lead. It also does help in a long third set in singles although I have to say the BM 200 max is an amazing doubles stick and the feel at net is crazy

Pneumated1
06-07-2012, 08:07 AM
I was struggling with the decision on the similar 2 rackets in the last few weeks. I was also used to mid 11oz range sticks and leaded up my londons as well. I love the feel in my hand with it but just play better with the stock form due to the control issues you mentioned and so I took off the lead. It also does help in a long third set in singles although I have to say the BM 200 max is an amazing doubles stick and the feel at net is crazy

Just a short time with the BioMax 200 made the decision easy for me. I can do so much more with the ball with my Londons. The Dunlop is a very solid frame for the more linear player who hits the ball flat and sticks volleys. I agree with you that it is a volley machine, but at this point, I prefer thinner-beamed Volkls. What I didn't expect was to be blown away by the Organix 10-295. My decision seems to be coming down to these two frames, customized, but I think Volkl may have a long-term user. Nothing else quite satisfies at this point.

Shangri La
06-07-2012, 11:32 AM
Just a short time with the BioMax 200 made the decision easy for me. I can do so much more with the ball with my Londons. The Dunlop is a very solid frame for the more linear player who hits the ball flat and sticks volleys. I agree with you that it is a volley machine, but at this point, I prefer thinner-beamed Volkls. What I didn't expect was to be blown away by the Organix 10-295. My decision seems to be coming down to these two frames, customized, but I think Volkl may have a long-term user. Nothing else quite satisfies at this point.

I'm glad you took the time to demo and things are made easy. We all know how great it feels to have that peace of mind : ) Do you get more action on the ball with the London? And the leaded Bio300 didn't work as well for you? The Organix 10-295 is something that I feel perhaps needs a re-demo. From what I read, it takes leading better than the London. The new Organix 9 is a candidate as well. But for now I'm happy with the Max 200G.

Pneumated1
06-07-2012, 05:29 PM
I'm glad you took the time to demo and things are made easy. We all know how great it feels to have that peace of mind : ) Do you get more action on the ball with the London? And the leaded Bio300 didn't work as well for you? The Organix 10-295 is something that I feel perhaps needs a re-demo. From what I read, it takes leading better than the London. The new Organix 9 is a candidate as well. But for now I'm happy with the Max 200G.

The BioMax 200 is a great racquet, and I think you've made a good choice. I notice the slightly thinner beam and more flex with the London; therefore, I get a little more rip on the ball with it, but that's just me. You have to realize that the 300G was my first racquet, and for 4 1/2 years I never entertained the idea that another racquet may be better for my game. I had to try the BioMax 200 just to quell the nostalgia, but I realize that I've moved on to a more suitable line with Volkl/Becker. The leaded Bio. 300 felt stiffer to me than the BioMax, which is as smooth and stable as they come, imo.

I also should mention that I've really come to appreciate the balance between maneuverability, racquet-head speed, stability, feel, and ball quality that I'm getting with some of the middle-weight Beckers and Volkls. I'll be sticking with the Londons, plan to buy an X-295, and will demo the X-9. I'm really impressed with these sticks.

TexasTennisbum
06-08-2012, 07:57 AM
Tried asking the following in an original thread, but maybe posting here will do the trick...
Hello all,
I am giving up my year love affair with the Head Prestige Pro, I played 6 days straight last week and it began to dominate my arm.

These rackets I've tested and dismissed as not a good replacement for me:
1. Prestige MP
2. Radical Pro

The Dunlop BMax 200g and Wilson BLX 6.1 95 two I am considering, any other suggestions on demos?

Dunlop BMax 200g likes:
a. Serve placement
b. one handed backhand comfort and control
c. volleys
d. arm

Wilson BLX 6.1 95 likes:
a. Serve power
b. Similar forehand plow as the prestige

Specs for both:
Strung:
Wilson 11.5 oz, Dunlop: 11.7 oz
Wilson SW: 306 Dunlop: 318
Wilson: 7 pts. HL Dunlop: 5 pts.
Stiffness: Wilson 62 Dunlop 65

I think I like the Dunlop more for maneuverability, even though looking at the specs that doesn't make sense, maybe I am ignorant of something.

Any suggested demos based on this feedback? Thanks in advance

ccmtennis
06-08-2012, 08:07 AM
have you tried the donnay pro ones in either string pattern? It is definitely more user friendly than the 6-1 series and great plow for a OHBH, serves and volleys. Has a different feel overall but most folks seem to like it

Doc Hollidae
06-20-2012, 08:30 AM
Has anyone customized their 200 Max to increase the stability and pop?

Debating between the PDR 2012 and customizing the Max 200.

Doc Hollidae
06-20-2012, 08:36 AM
Double Post

counterpuncher
06-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Has anyone customized their 200 Max to increase the stability and pop?
I tried about 2g at 12 and it felt better but too sluggish for my liking. I have now taken that off and have added about 2 grams lead at each of 10 and 2 and am eagerly awaiting my next hit.

Doc Hollidae
06-20-2012, 04:00 PM
I tried about 2g at 12 and it felt better but too sluggish for my liking. I have now taken that off and have added about 2 grams lead at each of 10 and 2 and am eagerly awaiting my next hit.

If I go with the Max 200, my plan is to remove the leather grip and then lead up the stick to 6 pts. HL, 11.9 oz, and a SW under 330 hopefully. I'm wondering if that will give me pop comparable to the PDR 2012.

counterpuncher
06-20-2012, 04:18 PM
If I go with the Max 200, my plan is to remove the leather grip and then lead up the stick to 6 pts. HL, 11.9 oz, and a SW under 330 hopefully. I'm wondering if that will give me pop comparable to the PDR 2012.

I have gone down a similar path. Starting with a weight of 330g and an estimated sw of 325, judging from my other sticks. I then replaced the leather grip with a synth grip and overgrip plus 2g of lead at 12. This resulted in 328g and an estimated sw of 330.

Now I have lead at 10 and 2, a weight of 330g, and the sw feels slightly less. I expect this to play better for me, but I don't think the power level will be quite up to a PDR, unless i use a livelier string (multi) or string my PLII lower than my current 52/49 setup.

Doc Hollidae
06-21-2012, 09:11 AM
I have gone down a similar path. Starting with a weight of 330g and an estimated sw of 325, judging from my other sticks. I then replaced the leather grip with a synth grip and overgrip plus 2g of lead at 12. This resulted in 328g and an estimated sw of 330.

Now I have lead at 10 and 2, a weight of 330g, and the sw feels slightly less. I expect this to play better for me, but I don't think the power level will be quite up to a PDR, unless i use a livelier string (multi) or string my PLII lower than my current 52/49 setup.


By chance do you know what the specs are stock, with a synthetic grip instead of the leather?

I realize I won't get actual PDR power, but I'd like something close to it. I guess a better comparison would be power/pop close to the Donnay Pro One or Head IG Radical Pro.

TennisCJC
06-21-2012, 11:57 AM
Tried asking the following in an original thread, but maybe posting here will do the trick...
Hello all,
I am giving up my year love affair with the Head Prestige Pro, I played 6 days straight last week and it began to dominate my arm.

These rackets I've tested and dismissed as not a good replacement for me:
1. Prestige MP
2. Radical Pro

The Dunlop BMax 200g and Wilson BLX 6.1 95 two I am considering, any other suggestions on demos?

Dunlop BMax 200g likes:
a. Serve placement
b. one handed backhand comfort and control
c. volleys
d. arm

Wilson BLX 6.1 95 likes:
a. Serve power
b. Similar forehand plow as the prestige

Specs for both:
Strung:
Wilson 11.5 oz, Dunlop: 11.7 oz
Wilson SW: 306 Dunlop: 318
Wilson: 7 pts. HL Dunlop: 5 pts.
Stiffness: Wilson 62 Dunlop 65

I think I like the Dunlop more for maneuverability, even though looking at the specs that doesn't make sense, maybe I am ignorant of something.

Any suggested demos based on this feedback? Thanks in advance

I think you are refering to the blx ps 6.1 95 based on the SW of 306.

If you like thin beam rackets in this weight range, maybe try a volkl org 10 325 or 295. Also, the Dunlop bio 300 should be similar to the max 200g.

Also add 5-6 grams of lead to the head of the wilson blx ps 6.1 95 to get the SW up near the dunlop max 200g.

I play volkl 0rg 10 295 leaded to 12.1 oz, 335 SW, 6HL. I would demo pretty much what you are trying for my next racket - dunlop max 200g, dunlop 300, wilson ps 6.1 95. I would customized to get SW 330-335 and balance 6 HL.

The volkls are real easy on the arm and quite frankly hit the most solid ball of the bunch. the dunlop 300 has good pop due to the elongated head shape - longer mains. The wilson ps 6.1 95 is just cool - solid feel, super thin beam, flexy (feels like you can hold the ball on the stringbed) and nice paint job, but underpowered and needs stability.

All of these are top notch if you like thin beamed feel and relatively low power. But, honestly, if you get the swingweight up a bit and/or lower tension, they have plenty of power too.

Murrayalmagrofan
06-21-2012, 12:24 PM
Tried asking the following in an original thread, but maybe posting here will do the trick...
Hello all,
I am giving up my year love affair with the Head Prestige Pro, I played 6 days straight last week and it began to dominate my arm.

These rackets I've tested and dismissed as not a good replacement for me:
1. Prestige MP
2. Radical Pro

The Dunlop BMax 200g and Wilson BLX 6.1 95 two I am considering, any other suggestions on demos?

Dunlop BMax 200g likes:
a. Serve placement
b. one handed backhand comfort and control
c. volleys
d. arm

Wilson BLX 6.1 95 likes:
a. Serve power
b. Similar forehand plow as the prestige

Specs for both:
Strung:
Wilson 11.5 oz, Dunlop: 11.7 oz
Wilson SW: 306 Dunlop: 318
Wilson: 7 pts. HL Dunlop: 5 pts.
Stiffness: Wilson 62 Dunlop 65

I think I like the Dunlop more for maneuverability, even though looking at the specs that doesn't make sense, maybe I am ignorant of something.

Any suggested demos based on this feedback? Thanks in advance
I would highly recommend the Slazenger Pro Braided. It's a true player's racquet and weighs 11.5oz strung. I wouldn't let the swingweight of 330 scare you off. The 3 racquets I have and 2 I demo'd are closer to 310 in swingweight. This racquet is very manueverable and I love it for my all-court style of play.