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panta77
04-22-2012, 10:30 PM
For you guys, expert on different machines, Which of these pros pro machines would you pick. Difference in cost is not much, so money is not a big concern. Its either a
pros pro challenger(either model1, model1 Rot or model 2) or

pros pro pilot. Difference is one is drop weight while the other is crank,right? Constant pull vs Lockout, right?


Recommendation between these two particular models?

http://www.arfaian.com/default.aspx?PreKatNr=9

Any differences you can recognize between challenger2, challenger1 and challenger1 rot?

panta77
04-24-2012, 07:28 AM
Any advice?

Ramon
04-24-2012, 09:01 AM
The Pros Pro Challenger models look identical to the Eagnas Challenger I, which makes sense because they come from the same manufacturer.

http://www.eagnas.com/chaln1.html

Spec-wise that machine is nearly identical to the Alpha Pioneer DC Plus, the machine I currently own.

http://www.alphatennis.com/Machines.htm

I don't know if the Alpha is made from the same place or shares many of the same parts. It looks strikingly similar. I found a good enough deal on the Alpha that it was only a few dollars more than the Eagnas when I added shipping. Company reputation made the difference for me when cost was nearly the same.

mixedmedia
04-24-2012, 01:59 PM
Was that a one-time deal, Ramon, or do you have a good source?

Ramon
04-28-2012, 08:33 PM
Was that a one-time deal, Ramon, or do you have a good source?

I got it new from an internet retailer for $429 with free shipping. You'll have to Google it or search the other threads on this machine since I don't like to promote TW competitors on this forum. I think Eagnas' distributor would have charged about $60 shipping, so I would have saved very little by buying their equivalent machine.

gotwheels
04-29-2012, 07:27 AM
Alpha/newtechtennis (Alpha's retail arm) did have the Alpha Pioneer DC Plus for $429 shipped. Check the newtechtennis site or call and talk with Greg or Mark.

panta77
05-11-2012, 12:30 AM
Between the pilot (lockout) and the Challenger (constant pull), which one would you purchase if same price and why? Does the calibration take some work? How often?

Irvin
05-11-2012, 04:35 AM
If I had a choice between a lockout and a constant pull for the same price first I would look at the other features. I see they are both 6 pt machine table top machine with fixed clamps but there has to be more.

panta77
05-11-2012, 08:31 AM
http://www.arfaian.com/productImages_large/1166.gif

panta77
05-11-2012, 08:32 AM
http://www.arfaian.com/productImages_large/1027.gif

Fuzzball7
05-12-2012, 03:04 PM
Pro's Pro tx700.. Absolute bargain for me. Since I live in Australia. Around $650 all up for an ELECTRONIC machine.

Incredible

tennis-expert
09-04-2012, 05:05 PM
For you guys, expert on different machines, Which of these pros pro machines would you pick. Difference in cost is not much, so money is not a big concern. Its either a
pros pro challenger(either model1, model1 Rot or model 2) or

pros pro pilot. Difference is one is drop weight while the other is crank,right? Constant pull vs Lockout, right?


Recommendation between these two particular models?

http://www.arfaian.com/default.aspx?PreKatNr=9

Any differences you can recognize between challenger2, challenger1 and challenger1 rot?

The Challenger II is exactly the same as the Challenger I but without the ratchet tension system design, which can be operated with one hand, simplifying the tensioning process slightly. All cranks and drop weight machines are lock out machines. You will need an electronic machine for constant pull.

The Pilot just has a different tensioning mechanism. It's a crank and is both slightly more reliable for tensioning and easier to use for stringing.

Davis Cup Fan
09-05-2012, 07:08 PM
[QUOTE=tennis-expert;6864812]The Challenger II is exactly the same as the Challenger I but without the ratchet tension system design, which can be operated with one hand, simplifying the tensioning process slightly. All cranks and drop weight machines are lock out machines. You will need an electronic machine for constant pull.


Drop weight machines are constant pull. Also a lot of the electric machines( especially cheaper ones are lockout the electric tensioner just pulls to set tension then it stops) the challenger has 3 tooth clamps and the pilot has 5 tooth but not that big of A deal.

tennis-expert
09-06-2012, 10:12 AM
A drop weight machine is NOT constant. Constant pull, by definition, continually pulls on the string as it stretches to keep the SAME reference tension. A drop weight, if not level, is not pulling the string at the set reference tension. A drop weight does constantly pull on the string, but this creates an entirely different effect than constant pull. "Constantly Pulling" and "Constant Pull" are NOT the same

All manual Pro's Pro stringing machines come with the three prong clamps at present. The TX700 is a constant pull electronic and therefore for the price, is extremely reasonable. As you say, other branded machines at the lower end won't be constant pull electronic machine.

dodgers
09-06-2012, 02:55 PM
With a Stringway drop weight machine, it is a "Constant Pull"......... It does not have to be level to pull reference tension.
I think you are splitting hairs with the "Constant Pulling" and "Constant Pull" reference..

cluckcluck
09-06-2012, 03:17 PM
A drop weight machine is NOT constant. Constant pull, by definition, continually pulls on the string as it stretches to keep the SAME reference tension. A drop weight, if not level, is not pulling the string at the set reference tension. A drop weight does constantly pull on the string, but this creates an entirely different effect than constant pull. "Constantly Pulling" and "Constant Pull" are NOT the same

All manual Pro's Pro stringing machines come with the three prong clamps at present. The TX700 is a constant pull electronic and therefore for the price, is extremely reasonable. As you say, other branded machines at the lower end won't be constant pull electronic machine.

You are wrong. All stringway DW machines are constant pull, regardless of angle of the tension arm.
Even Eagnas has one: http://eagnas.com/logic90.html#logic90dc

Davis Cup Fan
09-06-2012, 06:59 PM
A drop weight machine is NOT constant. Constant pull, by definition, continually pulls on the string as it stretches to keep the SAME reference tension. A drop weight, if not level, is not pulling the string at the set reference tension. A drop weight does constantly pull on the string, but this creates an entirely different effect than constant pull. "Constantly Pulling" and "Constant Pull" are NOT the same

All manual Pro's Pro stringing machines come with the three prong clamps at present. The TX700 is a constant pull electronic and therefore for the price, is extremely reasonable. As you say, other branded machines at the lower end won't be constant pull electronic machine.

So how is a dropweight not CP if you write it yourself that it is CP. also if u like at the pilot picture you can count and clearly see five tooth clamps

Davis Cup Fan
09-06-2012, 07:00 PM
*look instead of like

Davis Cup Fan
09-06-2012, 07:02 PM
http://www.arfaian.com/productImages_large/1027.gif

Five tooth clamps not three

tennis-expert
09-07-2012, 06:22 AM
Understand what you've said about the constant pulling but for any customer looking for a constant pull, we would always recommend an electronic as oppose to a drop weight.

Despite the picture, Pro's Pro will send out three prong clamps if you ordered the Pilot, not a five prong clamp.

Davis Cup Fan
09-07-2012, 09:13 PM
Understand what you've said about the constant pulling but for any customer looking for a constant pull, we would always recommend an electronic as oppose to a drop weight.

Despite the picture, Pro's Pro will send out three prong clamps if you ordered the Pilot, not a five prong clamp.

Yes an electronic machine with Cp is awesome but he may not be willing to drop that much cash. But he could get the pilot then upgrade to wise. That would probably be the smartest choice.

Vlad_C
09-07-2012, 10:54 PM
I have the Pro's Pro Pilot. It ships with 3-tooth clamps, read the description on the website that sells it. If you want 5-tooth clamps, you need to buy them separately.

I've used both crank and drop-weight machines (a friend of mine has one). I can tell you that the drop-weight is kind of a PITA to use.
I can string much faster, and get more consistent results with a crank machine. Just adjust the tension 2-3 lb higher to compensate for the fact that it is not constant pull, and you're all set.

barry
09-08-2012, 02:36 AM
You might consider one of these.

http://www.eagnas.com/logic90.html

Lot less expensive than a stringway, and seems to have the same tensioner. Drop weights tend to slow you down when stringing, this one should be an exception.

Davis Cup Fan
09-09-2012, 11:53 AM
You might consider one of these.

http://www.eagnas.com/logic90.html

Lot less expensive than a stringway, and seems to have the same tensioner. Drop weights tend to slow you down when stringing, this one should be an exception.

But its made by eagnas which has terrible customer service and not the greatest quality