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jwjh
05-26-2012, 05:47 AM
From Fed's pre-tourny interview:
'Obviously it's a change of ball again from previous years and from the previous weeks, which makes it just a bit more complicated.

We have tried to solve the issue and have the same ball for the entire clay court season, but the French Open decided to change the balls again once we changed the balls in Rome and Madrid.'

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2012-05-25/201205251337955183322.html

joeri888
05-26-2012, 05:58 AM
Yeah, shame. The balls were the only thing making last year's tournament interesting. Things were way quicker and it gave Roger the chance to dominate Djokovic with his serve, and a fighting chance against Rafa. They played 3 tight sets. Roger should have won all of them to win,which is a lot, but he wasn't that far off.

Nostradamus
05-26-2012, 06:01 AM
I thought Federer could play with any balls in any conditions ? He is the GOAT, right ?

Ocean Drive
05-26-2012, 06:08 AM
I thought Federer could play with any balls in any conditions ? He is the GOAT, right ?

Does that mean that he is void of having a preference?

dimeaxe
05-26-2012, 06:45 AM
Yeah, shame. The balls were the only thing making last year's tournament interesting. Things were way quicker and it gave Roger the chance to dominate Djokovic with his serve, and a fighting chance against Rafa. They played 3 tight sets. Roger should have won all of them to win,which is a lot, but he wasn't that far off.

Yes, we saw last year how fast conditions work in Roger's favor when he was convincingly defeated by Novak in Dubaii and Abu Dhabi:mrgreen:

RNEast
05-26-2012, 06:45 AM
Think about how ridiculous it is that we have different balls at different tournaments, compared to some other sports. As finely tuned as the players' games are, you'd think they'd find one ball and use it in every event. Imagine if they changed the characteristics of the balls in baseball or basketball. All the players would revolt.

It's bad enough playing on different surfaces!

joeri888
05-26-2012, 06:47 AM
Think about how ridiculous it is that we have different balls at different tournaments, compared to some other sports. As finely tuned as the players' games are, you'd think they'd find one ball and use it in every event. Imagine if they changed the characteristics of the balls in baseball or basketball. All the players would revolt.

It's bad enough playing on different surfaces!

Tennis has always been the game of adapting, changes, different circumstances, different surfaces, etc. etc. that's the appeal of tennis. That's what makes tennis a cool sport and baseball, basketball and American football lame sports.

Ocean Drive
05-26-2012, 06:59 AM
Yes, we saw last year how fast conditions work in Roger's favor when he was convincingly defeated by Novak in Dubaii and Abu Dhabi:mrgreen:

Dubai and ... Abu Dhabi...? Really?

Ocean Drive
05-26-2012, 07:00 AM
Think about how ridiculous it is that we have different balls at different tournaments, compared to some other sports. As finely tuned as the players' games are, you'd think they'd find one ball and use it in every event. Imagine if they changed the characteristics of the balls in baseball or basketball. All the players would revolt.

It's bad enough playing on different surfaces!

Considering how homogenised surfaces are today, I don't think there will be many players complaining (particularly Djokovic, Nadal and Murray) about how diverse the surfaces are...

veroniquem
05-26-2012, 07:08 AM
Yeah, shame. The balls were the only thing making last year's tournament interesting. Things were way quicker and it gave Roger the chance to dominate Djokovic with his serve, and a fighting chance against Rafa. They played 3 tight sets. Roger should have won all of them to win,which is a lot, but he wasn't that far off.




How do you know they made the ball slower? They could have made it even faster.

TTMR
05-26-2012, 07:20 AM
From Fed's pre-tourny interview:
'Obviously it's a change of ball again from previous years and from the previous weeks, which makes it just a bit more complicated.

We have tried to solve the issue and have the same ball for the entire clay court season, but the French Open decided to change the balls again once we changed the balls in Rome and Madrid.'

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2012-05-25/201205251337955183322.html

Um, that's a pretty vague and unclear description transcribed from a verbal interview. He could easily mean it is a change in balls from Madrid and Rome, a change in balls from previous French Opens to 2011.

Please provide a press release declaring the brand of balls to be used during the French Open. At the moment, there is no evidence that the 2011 Babolat balls are not being used again.

joeri888
05-26-2012, 07:28 AM
How do you know they made the ball slower? They could have made it even faster.

They could, but that would be weird, since there were complaints about the balls last year. Also, we haven't heard Rafa about it while we hear Roger, so probably slower (heavier) balls.

Sentinel
05-26-2012, 07:34 AM
Reminds me of what Mats Trollander once said about Roger.

Rozroz
05-26-2012, 07:37 AM
They could, but that would be weird, since there were complaints about the balls last year. Also, we haven't heard Rafa about it while we hear Roger, so probably slower (heavier) balls.

yea, exactly ;)

veroniquem
05-26-2012, 07:40 AM
They could, but that would be weird, since there were complaints about the balls last year. Also, we haven't heard Rafa about it while we hear Roger, so probably slower (heavier) balls.



The key word here is "probably".
Let's wait until we know for sure to draw conclusions.
Can anyone tell from the practice videos? Are the players using the tournament balls for practice? I have to confess I'm not able to see a difference myself :oops:

joeri888
05-26-2012, 07:44 AM
Me neither. I really hope they at least play similar to last year. Rafa won last year, but the tennis was much nicer to watch than in years before that.

Bobby Jr
05-26-2012, 07:44 AM
They could, but that would be weird, since there were complaints about the balls last year. Also, we haven't heard Rafa about it while we hear Roger, so probably slower (heavier) balls.
The only complaint last year were from a few clay court specialists who were ****y that they weren't identical to the lead-up tournaments.

How come they're not complaining that every hard-court tournament post Wimbledon has different speed courts?

jackson vile
05-26-2012, 07:45 AM
I thought Federer could play with any balls in any conditions ? He is the GOAT, right ?

It comes and goes. But seriously, they don't water the courts which increases the speed as well, and they could be rolling it more. The French won't be happy until Nadal can no longer win there, because they have destroyed the tournament.

MG1
05-26-2012, 07:46 AM
Reminds me of what Mats Trollander once said about Roger.

Yaa wilander ..whose balls dried up after one 3 slams season and never recovered again:)

Bobby Jr
05-26-2012, 07:49 AM
Does anyone know what the changes are this year? I was hoping like hell they'd take last year's tournament and realise the balls were a big part in how many fantastic matches there were compared to usual and adopt a similar style ball at Rome etc this year, but they didn't.

If they've slowed them down it will be a real disappointment. Proof that the powers that be really don't understand what makes it interesting for the fans.

(The players can get stuffed as far as I'm concerned if they want conditions to be the same week after week. Great players adapt - it's always been the case. And it makes it more interesting for the fans who, ultimately, make this whole show possible)

jwjh
05-26-2012, 08:24 AM
Um, that's a pretty vague and unclear description transcribed from a verbal interview. He could easily mean it is a change in balls from Madrid and Rome, a change in balls from previous French Opens to 2011.

Please provide a press release declaring the brand of balls to be used during the French Open. At the moment, there is no evidence that the 2011 Babolat balls are not being used again.

It sounds to me what he could be saying was:
2011 RG lead up: Ball A
2011 RG: Ball B

2012 RG lead up: Ball B
2012 RG: Ball C

Yes, it is vague which is why I'm asking the kind people of TTW if they can confirm this because I can't find other supporting sources.

Sentinel
05-26-2012, 08:38 AM
It comes and goes. But seriously, they don't water the courts which increases the speed as well, and they could be rolling it more. The French won't be happy until Nadal can no longer win there, because they have destroyed the tournament.
Yeah, the draw certainly supports that :D

decades
05-26-2012, 09:01 AM
Think about how ridiculous it is that we have different balls at different tournaments, compared to some other sports. As finely tuned as the players' games are, you'd think they'd find one ball and use it in every event. Imagine if they changed the characteristics of the balls in baseball or basketball. All the players would revolt.

It's bad enough playing on different surfaces!

lol. poor players. they have it rough. I mean they only have a week to get used to new balls. What is that 20 hours of court time before actual matches start? The hacker goes out with wilson one day and dunlop the next. It's really a travesty.

Evan77
05-26-2012, 09:23 AM
I'm happy as long as it works against the buttpicker ... I'm praying right now that ANYBODY BUT Nudall will win RG ... so bored with him ...

aenri86
05-26-2012, 09:43 AM
Think about how ridiculous it is that we have different balls at different tournaments, compared to some other sports. As finely tuned as the players' games are, you'd think they'd find one ball and use it in every event. Imagine if they changed the characteristics of the balls in baseball or basketball. All the players would revolt.

It's bad enough playing on different surfaces!

This actually happened in the NBA when they introduced a new ball a few years ago. Players actually revolted (passively) and the NBA changed the ball back to the old one.

Gorecki
05-26-2012, 09:45 AM
It comes and goes. But seriously, they don't water the courts which increases the speed as well, and they could be rolling it more. The French won't be happy until Nadal can no longer win there, because they have destroyed the tournament.

I wonder why, As a djokovic fan, you ask for worse condition for him and better conditions for Rafa... could it be??? nah....

sillymonkey
05-26-2012, 09:56 AM
It seems a tad contradictory on Fed's part when one day he states that players must adapt to different conditions (referring to the blue clay) and the next day he criticizes the new balls.

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 09:58 AM
It seems a tad contradictory on Fed's part when one day he states that players must adapt to different conditions (referring to the blue clay) and the next day he criticizes the new balls.

He's not criticizing it, just saying that it's different, not whether it's good or bad.

veroniquem
05-26-2012, 10:04 AM
Fed thinks players should adapt without complaining only when the change favors him...

sillymonkey
05-26-2012, 10:06 AM
Fed thinks players should adapt without complaining only when the change favors him...

Seems that way, yes.

nadal_slam_king
05-26-2012, 10:07 AM
Federer is the dumbest President in history. Even dumber than GWBush.

Hood_Man
05-26-2012, 10:37 AM
With all the spin doctoring that goes on here I'm amazed that this quote isn't being taken out of context yet:

"Okay, I mean, I was playing Rafa here, which doesn't make it a whole lot easier. But, you know, it's easier to maybe start with the French in this era and then finishing it on the hard court."

I can't believe Roger is attempting to belittle Nadal's 2010/2011 Rafa Slam attempt, what an awful man! :shock:

Warmaster
05-26-2012, 10:40 AM
With all the spin doctoring that goes on here I'm amazed that this quote isn't being taken out of context yet:

"Okay, I mean, I was playing Rafa here, which doesn't make it a whole lot easier. But, you know, it's easier to maybe start with the French in this era and then finishing it on the hard court."

I can't believe Roger is attempting to belittle Nadal's 2010/2011 Rafa Slam attempt, what an awful man! : shock:

It's the first thing I thought about after reading the interview :)

Cheeky old man!

Wilander Fan
05-26-2012, 10:44 AM
Yaa wilander ..whose balls dried up after one 3 slams season and never recovered again:)

As a big Federer fan, I was annoyed Mats made that comment at the time but looking back in retrospect, he was 100% right.

nadal_slam_king
05-26-2012, 10:57 AM
Federer has always been the sorest loser in all of sport. When he retires, tennis will be a classier sport.

nadal_slam_king
05-26-2012, 10:59 AM
http://i.imgur.com/YwacV.gif
That was smart especially coming from you ***.

I had a hard time deciding which gif to poast as a reply, you have no idea how many great ones I rejected from Dumb and Dumber.

That's what dumb people do, post pictures instead of words....

nadal_slam_king
05-26-2012, 11:03 AM
You didn't have to wait very long :D

http://reinspired.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/jim-carrey-liar-liar.gif
Someone needs to restrain you, dear ***, before you hurt yourself thinking.

Ok picture boy. Go back to kindy now, your milk is ready....

jones101
05-26-2012, 11:05 AM
Its still thesame ball from last year, the Babolat balls which were quicker in 2011.

RG still has 4 more years contract to use them.

Rome/Madrid last year agreed to the use same ball as RG for consistency, then RG abruptly changed to the Babolat.

Fed is talking about adjusting from the balls from Rome/Madrid to RG, NOT RG balls compared to last year.

Hope that makes sense.

cluckcluck
05-26-2012, 11:12 AM
Will Nadal and Djoker boycott the FO because of the change? I mean, it's not the exact same as the rest of the tournaments during the entire clay court season. SMH

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 12:21 PM
Its still thesame ball from last year, the Babolat balls which were quicker in 2011.

RG still has 4 more years contract to use them.

Rome/Madrid last year agreed to the use same ball as RG for consistency, then RG abruptly changed to the Babolat.

Fed is talking about adjusting from the balls from Rome/Madrid to RG, NOT RG balls compared to last year.

Hope that makes sense.
You would think it would, but it seems that some are way past making sense and are just trying to bring Federer down with what Nadal did in Madrid, even though Federer did nothing comparable.

TTMR
05-26-2012, 12:29 PM
Its still thesame ball from last year, the Babolat balls which were quicker in 2011.

RG still has 4 more years contract to use them.

Rome/Madrid last year agreed to the use same ball as RG for consistency, then RG abruptly changed to the Babolat.

Fed is talking about adjusting from the balls from Rome/Madrid to RG, NOT RG balls compared to last year.

Hope that makes sense.

Only here would a garbled, off-hand answer from someone whose first language is not English and who is not in any position of organizational authority be taken as a definitive fact that a major component of tournament play has changed.

syc23
05-26-2012, 12:52 PM
Just make the players Bring a few cans of their own balls.

Problem solved. When you serve, you play with your own choice of ball.

cluckcluck
05-26-2012, 12:58 PM
Just make the players Bring a few cans of their own balls.

Problem solved. When you serve, you play with your own choice of ball.

I'm pretty sure none of the players would know where to get a can of balls.

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 01:05 PM
Only here would a garbled, off-hand answer from someone whose first language is not English and who is not in any position of organizational authority be taken as a definitive fact that a major component of tournament play has changed.

While I agree with the general premise of your post, Federer's first language being something other than English is no excuse for anything he says. Sure, he says things we North Americans may think is arrogant, but that's more to do with culture than proficiency in language. Federer speaks and understands English well enough to know exactly what he's saying.

stringertom
05-26-2012, 02:08 PM
Federer has always been the sorest loser in all of sport. When he retires, tennis will be a classier sport.

Oh really, non_sense_king? Let me introduce you to the sorest loser in all sport...the guy who never loses unless he is Sick, Protesting, Injured or Tired...yes, the winner of the SPIT award goes to Hombre Humbalito, the Man of Mallorca. When HE retires, tennis' class factor will go through the roof.

MichaelNadal
05-26-2012, 04:51 PM
The balls are the 2010 and before balls again? Or what?

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 05:00 PM
The balls are the 2010 and before balls again? Or what?

Nah, I think they're the same ones from last year. Like jones101 said, it's more about adjusting from prior CC events to RG.

rufus_smith
05-26-2012, 05:22 PM
As far as I'm concerned playing conditions should be different at every single tournament. Adjustment to conditions is part of the skill of the sport and it makes it more interesting for spectators. The current slew of slow courts are a borefest. Any current pros calling for always having the same conditions for every tourney seem like overpaid wimps to me. They just want to protect their stupid high ranking without having to do much. They might have to learn more than two shots, a baseline forehand, and baseline backhand. I won't single out any current pro for blame since its hard to tell from reporters and translations who is the worst. The current complainers make that great Laver/Rosewall "play anywhere" generation look like giants of the sport.
Just my opinion

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 05:45 PM
As far as I'm concerned playing conditions should be different at every single tournament. Adjustment to conditions is part of the skill of the sport and it makes it more interesting for spectators. The current slew of slow courts are a borefest. Any current pros calling for always having the same conditions for every tourney seem like overpaid wimps to me. They just want to protect their stupid high ranking without having to do much. They might have to learn more than two shots, a baseline forehand, and baseline backhand. I won't single out any current pro for blame since its hard to tell from reporters and translations who is the worst. The current complainers make that great Laver/Rosewall "play anywhere" generation look like giants of the sport.
Just my opinion
I agree, but I can see where that sentiment comes from. Most players and fans see the events directly preceeding a Grand Slam event as a "tune-up" where conditions are supposed to mimic those of the succeeding slam. But, in reality, those events are all independent of the slams and each other, with their own tournament directors and owners. Those tournaments are well within their rights to change sponsors, balls, etc. I think the ATP moves the events around the calendar depending on the playing surface, but we must remember that these tournaments (such as Madrid and Rome) are independent of Roland Garros.

rufus_smith
05-26-2012, 06:12 PM
Oh yeah I forgot that these geniuses need two months of playing in the exact same playing conditions to be ready for a Major. Just get to the Major three days early and practice on the court. That's enough time. Or take week off and practice on red clay. The net and lines are the same dimensions on every court. Its not like they never played on red clay before. Finally do they understand that the French Playing conditions can change daily depending the weather and other factors?. Are they going to throw a hissing fit if it rains or it gets windy or the sun dries out the court?

Sorry for the rant but some of these have guys have it too good.

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 06:21 PM
Oh yeah I forgot that these geniuses need two months of playing in the exact same playing conditions to be ready for a Major. Just get to the Major three days early and practice on the court. That's enough time. Or take week off and practice on red clay. The net and lines are the same dimensions on every court. Its not like they never played on red clay before. Finally do they understand that the French Playing conditions can change daily depending the weather and other factors?. Are they going to throw a hissing fit if it rains or it gets windy or the sun dries out the court?

Sorry for the rant but some of these have guys have it too good.

Don't worry about it. I can understand why you're frustrated by it. All the tournaments played on clay play relatively similar to each other anyway, it's just minute differences (which can be significant), but doesn't require months of tournaments to use as preparation. That's why I have the utmost respect for Borg and his Wimbledon titles.

aprilfool
05-26-2012, 07:07 PM
False equivalency. Federer only made an observation. He also didn't threaten to boycott next years RG if they don't change the balls....

cluckcluck
05-26-2012, 07:20 PM
Federer has always been the sorest loser in all of sport. When he retires, tennis will be a classier sport.

You're kidding right? Obviously you didn't see Nadal's 2009 FO exit...did you see the aggressive motion he made to the cameraman that followed him? Talk about sore.

TTMR
05-26-2012, 07:24 PM
Oh yeah I forgot that these geniuses need two months of playing in the exact same playing conditions to be ready for a Major. Just get to the Major three days early and practice on the court. That's enough time. Or take week off and practice on red clay. The net and lines are the same dimensions on every court. Its not like they never played on red clay before. Finally do they understand that the French Playing conditions can change daily depending the weather and other factors?. Are they going to throw a hissing fit if it rains or it gets windy or the sun dries out the court?

Sorry for the rant but some of these have guys have it too good.

I agree with you, but what is the point of speeding up the French Open (which the Babolat balls have the effect of) while slowing down all the other slams and most non-clay surfaces in general? Ideally, clay should play like clay, grass like grass and hard like hard, but God forbid we should have that. There might be a few upsets here and there, and such a happenstance would be unacceptable.

sureshs
05-26-2012, 07:35 PM
LOL where are the people who were complaining about Rafa's comments about blue clay. Rafa's complaint about dangerous playing conditions was confirmed by Moya and now we know that salt was the culprit. Now that Federer is complaining about a different kind of ball which has no dangerous consequences, why is there no uproar? Where are the useless journalists who advised Rafa to pick his battles carefully?

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 07:38 PM
I agree with you, but what is the point of speeding up the French Open (which the Babolat balls have the effect of) while slowing down all the other slams and most non-clay surfaces in general? Ideally, clay should play like clay, grass like grass and hard like hard, but God forbid we should have that. There might be a few upsets here and there, and such a happenstance would be unacceptable.
True surface homogenization. They'll all play almost exactly the same wa, which is why we constantly see the same players make slam quarters and semis over and over again.
LOL where are the people who were complaining about Rafa's comments about blue clay. Rafa's complaint about dangerous playing conditions was confirmed by Moya and now we know that salt was the culprit. Now that Federer is complaining about a different kind of ball which has no dangerous consequences, why is there no uproar? Where are the useless journalists who advised Rafa to pick his battles carefully?
I don't see a complaint in what Federer said. He only said it's a bit "complicated", but didn't say whether it was good or bad. He was only saying it was complicated for him. I don't see a complaint there.

The difference between then and now is that Nadal was complaining and his fans were trying to justify it, regardless of how ridiculous he sounded. Here, I can't even see Federer's complaint, because I don't think he's complaining at all.

sureshs
05-26-2012, 07:49 PM
True surface homogenization. They'll all play almost exactly the same wa, which is why we constantly see the same players make slam quarters and semis over and over again.

I don't see a complaint in what Federer said. He only said it's a bit "complicated", but didn't say whether it was good or bad. He was only saying it was complicated for him. I don't see a complaint there.

The difference between then and now is that Nadal was complaining and his fans were trying to justify it, regardless of how ridiculous he sounded. Here, I can't even see Federer's complaint, because I don't think he's complaining at all.

You still don't get it, do you? The blue clay surface was dangerous, and the effect of crystallized salt was not accounted for during the preparation. The TD and owner apologized for it, and it will be different next year. Why are you still singing the tune that it was a ridiculous complaint?

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 07:53 PM
You still don't get it, do you? The blue clay surface was dangerous, and the effect of crystallized salt was not accounted for during the preparation. The TD and owner apologized for it, and it will be different next year. Why are you still singing the tune that it was a ridiculous complaint?

Yes, and the tournament director acknowledged his mistake and said things would be different. That should have been the end of it, but it wasn't.

Anyway, my point here is that Federer isn't complaining, just saying that it was a little complicated for him to adjust. He was speaking for himself and not saying anything was wrong with the balls or the surface.

sureshs
05-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Yes, and the tournament director acknowledged his mistake and said things would be different. That should have been the end of it, but it wasn't.

Anyway, my point here is that Federer isn't complaining, just saying that it was a little complicated for him to adjust. He was speaking for himself and not saying anything was wrong with the balls or the surface.

Of course he is complaining AND speaking on behalf of others, just like Nadal did:

We have tried to solve the issue

Can something be an issue if there is no complaint? And did you notice the "we"? Fed does not use it in the royal sense, BTW.

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Of course he is complaining AND speaking on behalf of others, just like Nadal did:

We have tried to solve the issue

Can something be an issue if there is no complaint? And did you notice the "we"? Fed does not use it in the royal sense, BTW.

Here's the entire quote:

Q. How do you feel physically before the start of this tournament, and what were your feelings on the center court?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, court is amazing here. It's always in great shape. Groundsmen do a good job and we benefit from that. Of course there are some bad bounces. That's clay court, and that's what we like about it. It slides perfectly, so it's a nice court to play on.

I have played on Chatrier and Lenglen the last few days. Everything feels normal. Obviously it's a change of ball again from previous years and from the previous weeks, which makes it just a bit more complicated.

We have tried to solve the issue and have the same ball for the entire clay court season, but the French Open decided to change the balls again once we changed the balls in Rome and Madrid.

So that was tricky, but physically I'm fine. I feel really good. Much less problems than I had through Madrid and Rome. I took three days off after the Djokovic match from Rome and just came here and relaxed and started practicing Wednesday.

So I feel right there where I want to be a few days before the event.



Again, I don't see any complaints there. By "we", I assume he's talking about the players as a whole. But he himself has not said it's a personal problem for him.

Sentinel
05-26-2012, 08:42 PM
^ You can trust the Nadalbots to twist it into a personal issue, lol..

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 08:46 PM
^ You can trust the Nadalbots to twist it into a personal issue, lol..

That's a sure bet. The cases aren't even remotely similar.

Crisstti
05-26-2012, 09:18 PM
True surface homogenization. They'll all play almost exactly the same wa, which is why we constantly see the same players make slam quarters and semis over and over again.

I don't see a complaint in what Federer said. He only said it's a bit "complicated", but didn't say whether it was good or bad. He was only saying it was complicated for him. I don't see a complaint there.

The difference between then and now is that Nadal was complaining and his fans were trying to justify it, regardless of how ridiculous he sounded. Here, I can't even see Federer's complaint, because I don't think he's complaining at all.

I don't see why you'd say he sounded ridiculous, an then agree that there was a problem with the courts...

FlashFlare11
05-26-2012, 09:22 PM
I don't see why you'd say he sounded ridiculous, an then agree that there was a problem with the courts...

I thought the boycott sounded ridiculous. To resort to that after just the first year of trying out the blue courts was drastic. I agree that the courts were a bit too slippery, no argument there. But Nadal and Djokovic shouldn't have been so quick to say they weren't returning, especially when the directors admitted to problems with the court.

Nathaniel_Near
05-26-2012, 09:55 PM
Are Nadal fans really trying to latch on to this?

Good times though, worth the popcorn.

sbengte
05-26-2012, 10:55 PM
Fed thinks players should adapt without complaining only when the change favors him...

The babolat balls actually helped Federer last year and played a big factor why he had such a great run. So in this case, if he is criticizing the change of balls which has in fact helped him, he is either trying to express solidarity with his peer group or is just being dumb (cue for Senti gif :D)

Mike Sams
05-26-2012, 10:57 PM
The babolat balls actually helped Federer last year and played a big factor why he had such a great run. So in this case, if he is criticizing the change of balls which has in fact helped him, he is either trying to express solidarity with his peer group or is just being dumb (cue for Senti gif :D)

Didn't Federer have great runs at RG in 05, 06, 07, 08, and 09 as well before the Babolat balls?

sbengte
05-26-2012, 11:02 PM
Didn't Federer have great runs at RG in 05, 06, 07, 08, and 09 as well before the Babolat balls?

We are talking of a well past his peak Federer in 2011 making the only slam final in the last two years on his worst surface , beating a guy who was unbeaten until that point during the year and probably challenging Nadal more than he did in his prime years in the final. So, this is a little different from all those past years.

ramos77
05-26-2012, 11:35 PM
everything is so black and white in this place, there are no shades of grey..

it's either because of the ball, the surface, conditions etc.

it has nothing to do with players mental state and form? luck?

ramos77
05-26-2012, 11:36 PM
The babolat balls actually helped Federer last year and played a big factor why he had such a great run. So in this case, if he is criticizing the change of balls which has in fact helped him, he is either trying to express solidarity with his peer group or is just being dumb (cue for Senti gif :D)

please state where he is criticising the balls. thanks

Bud
05-26-2012, 11:46 PM
So, does anybody know which ball they are playing with this year?

Povl Carstensen
05-27-2012, 12:10 AM
Federer has always been the sorest loser in all of sport. When he retires, tennis will be a classier sport.

Ok picture boy. Go back to kindy now, your milk is ready....Classy posts, he...

Sentinel
05-27-2012, 12:16 AM
Ok picture boy. Go back to kindy now, your milk is ready....
lol, I never used to post gifs before you came. You've started a new chapter in my life :D Thanks a mill

stringertom
05-27-2012, 12:34 AM
The chosen ball for a tournament DOES make a big difference to the players, even at lower level tourneys. I remember arriving early for tourney stringing at a Futures event hosted by a club that did not stock the Wilson US Open ball to be used in tourney play. The organizers were unwilling to make available any of the tourney balls for practice. I had two cases shipped in overnight and sold them to the incoming players when they ordered stringing. I became a very popular person for solving their dilemma.

As I understand it, ATP events use the ATP Penn ball, so the players get use to their playing characteristics and then have to adapt to the ball of choice for major events...AO uses a Wilson ball and I'm not sure how different it is to the Wilson US Open ball; Wimby uses a Slazenger ball and used to (don't know if they still do) open the cans well before each session; the FO switched to the Babolat ball last year and it does play faster than their previous choice. To my knowledge, there has been no confirmation whether it was changed from '11 specs. I would hope not because that would be only one more pot to stir.

iriraz
05-27-2012, 01:25 AM
The babolat balls actually helped Federer last year and played a big factor why he had such a great run. So in this case, if he is criticizing the change of balls which has in fact helped him, he is either trying to express solidarity with his peer group or is just being dumb (cue for Senti gif :D)

Federer didn`t criticize the babolat balls but the decision to play only for this tournament with these balls.If they played in Madrid or Rome with it no one would have complained.But changing balls from one clay court tourney to the next is not the smartest idea.Would have been that big of an issue if they played in Rome with same balls as at the French?

ZeroSkid
05-27-2012, 01:28 AM
Yeah, shame. The balls were the only thing making last year's tournament interesting. Things were way quicker and it gave Roger the chance to dominate Djokovic with his serve, and a fighting chance against Rafa. They played 3 tight sets. Roger should have won all of them to win,which is a lot, but he wasn't that far off.

:lol::lol::lol:

Bartelby
05-27-2012, 01:32 AM
Babolat is the official supplier so unless they went to the extraordinary trouble of making another new ball, the ball is the same as last year.

Sentinel
05-27-2012, 01:41 AM
Federer didn`t criticize the babolat balls but the decision to play only for this tournament with these balls.If they played in Madrid or Rome with it no one would have complained.But changing balls from one clay court tourney to the next is not the smartest idea.Would have been that big of an issue if they played in Rome with same balls as at the French?
If they had used the same light balls at Rome (and God forbid Madrid lol), I can think of one person who would have complained, lol, even made threats :D

Bud
05-27-2012, 01:55 AM
Babolat is the official supplier so unless they went to the extraordinary trouble of making another new ball, the ball is the same as last year.

Yep - directly from the official website (below). Bunch of tripe in this thread over nothing.

The "French Open", made by Babolat, will be the official ball of the tournament this year. More than 62,000 of them will be used throughout the three weeks of the tournament.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/about/atoz.html

DNShade
05-27-2012, 02:59 AM
As I understand it, ATP events use the ATP Penn ball, so the players get use to their playing characteristics and then have to adapt to the ball of choice for major events...

Actually for the clay court season they use Dunlop Fort Clay Court balls - MC, Madrid, Rome...They did that originally to use they same ball that RG uses at The French. Then of course being French - RG switched to Babolat last year.

But this year the Babolat balls are supposed to be a bit slower and heavier than the balls last year.

Li Ching Yuen
05-27-2012, 03:18 AM
The balls are still Babolat but this year's batch has been adjusted to be slower than last year. It was a conscious effort for the French to make the balls fuzzier and slow them down, similar to the Dunlops they use during the clay season.

sbengte
05-27-2012, 03:55 AM
But this year the Babolat balls are supposed to be a bit slower and heavier than the balls last year.

Source ? If this is true, then it is official that the French have finally sold their souls to Tio Toni (after what we saw with the draws)

nadal_slam_king
05-27-2012, 04:12 AM
The balls are still Babolat but this year's batch has been adjusted to be slower than last year. It was a conscious effort for the French to make the balls fuzzier and slow them down, similar to the Dunlops they use during the clay season.

Actually for the clay court season they use Dunlop Fort Clay Court balls - MC, Madrid, Rome...They did that originally to use they same ball that RG uses at The French. Then of course being French - RG switched to Babolat last year.

But this year the Babolat balls are supposed to be a bit slower and heavier than the balls last year.

I can see why Federer is a bit miffed then. He probably got his hopes up after last year's balls allowed him to take a set off Nadal. Really though, he should be grateful the conditions aren't as slow as the 1990s RG clay that Sampras had to contend with.

firepanda
05-27-2012, 04:23 AM
How will these new balls affect a Nadal/Djokovic final?? Nadal usually likes slower balls, but strategy tends to go funny when these two face each other.

Bobby Jr
05-27-2012, 04:23 AM
Yep - directly from the official website (below). Bunch of tripe in this thread over nothing. . .
I'm watching the Del Potro match at the moment and unless the courts have changed I'd say the balls are definitely slower than they were last year. He's swinging like crazy and isn't hitting winners anything like we saw last year just yet.

As I've said a couple of times previously, I knew they wouldn't take last year's amazing tournament and agree that the balls were a good thing. They just had to go and mess with what was one of the only positive court/ball changes made on tour in many years.

nadal_slam_king
05-27-2012, 04:49 AM
I love how clear the ball is at Roland Garros. It makes the "need" for blue clay look pathetic. Rome isn't as clear, but Roland Garros absolutely perfect. All clay should be the color of Roland Garros.

Rozroz
05-27-2012, 04:54 AM
slugfest alert!
slugfest alert!
slugfest alert!

zagor
05-27-2012, 06:18 AM
Source ? If this is true, then it is official that the French have finally sold their souls to Tio Toni (after what we saw with the draws)

Unfortunately, everything points to that.

It's obvious Tio Toni's influence has grown so much that Nadal is practically guaranteed to break Fed's slam record, Toni will make sure of it.

Warmaster
05-27-2012, 06:23 AM
I'm watching the Del Potro match at the moment and unless the courts have changed I'd say the balls are definitely slower than they were last year. He's swinging like crazy and isn't hitting winners anything like we saw last year just yet.

As I've said a couple of times previously, I knew they wouldn't take last year's amazing tournament and agree that the balls were a good thing. They just had to go and mess with what was one of the only positive court/ball changes made on tour in many years.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Back to boring tennis again!

It does make you wonder though, last year's RG was one of the best in years. A great SF between Federer and Djokovic and a more competitive final than we've seen for years. But no, they had to ruin it. Well done.

nadal_slam_king
05-27-2012, 06:50 AM
I wonder how Nadal would have gone on 90s clay, as that was slower than the current clay.

Nostradamus
05-27-2012, 06:51 AM
Yep - directly from the official website (below). Bunch of tripe in this thread over nothing.

The "French Open", made by Babolat, will be the official ball of the tournament this year. More than 62,000 of them will be used throughout the three weeks of the tournament.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/about/atoz.html


Are these new babolat balls good on hard courts too ?

Warmaster
05-27-2012, 06:53 AM
I wonder how Nadal would have gone on 90s clay, as that was slower than the current clay.

He still would have won, but even slower! He would probably win after 5 hours and 2 sets by retirement.

tlm
05-27-2012, 07:00 AM
Fed thinks players should adapt without complaining only when the change favors him...

Exactly i can't decide who is the biggest phony fed or his fans.

nadal_slam_king
05-27-2012, 07:08 AM
He still would have won, but even slower! He would probably win after 5 hours and 2 sets by retirement.

Good, I wish Nadal got to play in the 90s.

Tennisworld
05-27-2012, 07:10 AM
These days players with a more attacking game have to adapt not the other way round. We have seen, how Nadal and Co complained, about playing on a faster surface in Madrid.
The biggest whiners nowadays are those, who have profited most from the slowing down of the courts.

Bobby Jr
05-27-2012, 07:41 AM
I love how clear the ball is at Roland Garros. It makes the "need" for blue clay look pathetic. Rome isn't as clear, but Roland Garros absolutely perfect. All clay should be the color of Roland Garros.
Christ you are a muppet. I would say sometimes but it seems to be a many times daily event for you.

nadal_slam_king
05-27-2012, 07:54 AM
Christ you are a muppet. I would say sometimes but it seems to be a many times daily event for you.

Have you seen a TV today? Roland Garros looks flawlessly clear. You would have to literally be blind to not see the ball with immense clarity.

Bobby Jr
05-27-2012, 08:12 AM
Have you seen a TV today? Roland Garros looks flawlessly clear. You would have to literally be blind to not see the ball with immense clarity.
And you would have to be a complete muppet, as you demonstrate almost daily, to not consider that other tournaments use different cameras and positioning at other tournaments which are significant factors in the lack of ball visibility in the TV feed - irrespective of whether those courts are identical colour to Roland Garros.

nadal_slam_king
05-27-2012, 08:20 AM
And you would have to be a complete muppet, as you demonstrate almost daily, to not consider that other tournaments use different cameras and positioning at other tournaments which are significant factors in the lack of ball visibility in the TV feed - irrespective of whether those courts are identical colour to Roland Garros.

Hello.....Roma and RG aren't even the same color of clay.

Bobby Jr
05-27-2012, 08:31 AM
Hello.....Roma and RG aren't even the same color of clay.
Read the last part of my previous post, the bit in italics. Notice it says "irrespective of whether..."

Do I need to link you to a dictionary to explain? Happy to do so if it helps reduce the amount of space on the internet that gets wasted by your brain-farts.

Murrayfan31
05-28-2012, 12:13 AM
Slower balls help Djokovic. Bad news for Nadal.

Bud
05-28-2012, 01:10 AM
Has anyone purchased these 2012 Babolat balls yet and tried them?

I tried last year's RG ball and they were decent balls which lasted a long time. I didn't notice they were particularly light. They felt about the same as a Penn ATP. They were not as heavy as a Dunlop ball.

Gorecki
05-28-2012, 01:15 AM
Has anyone purchased these 2012 Babolat balls yet and tried them?

I tried last year's RG ball and they were decent balls which lasted a long time. I didn't notice they were particularly light. They felt about the same as a Penn ATP. They were not as heavy as a Dunlop ball.

that is because they are 4.5 balls

tennis_balla
05-28-2012, 05:42 AM
that is because they are 4.5 balls

Actually, its 4.0.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

CocaCola
05-28-2012, 05:03 PM
Q. Roger was mentioning the balls. He thought they were much heavier this year. You talked about conditions. Was that one factor you noticed out there?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yes, the ball change is obvious. I think last year they have made that switch with balls, and they were really fast and tough to control with conditions that are present in the Roland Garros, which are a little bit different from other clay court events, and the conditions here are a little bit faster than maybe comparing to Monte Carlo or Barcelona or Rome.
But, you know, many players complained a little bit about the speed of the balls last year, so it was really difficult to control.
So this year, they're a little bit heavier, which I like. I really don't have any complaints about it.

Murrayfan31
05-28-2012, 06:31 PM
Q. Roger was mentioning the balls. He thought they were much heavier this year. You talked about conditions. Was that one factor you noticed out there?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yes, the ball change is obvious. I think last year they have made that switch with balls, and they were really fast and tough to control with conditions that are present in the Roland Garros, which are a little bit different from other clay court events, and the conditions here are a little bit faster than maybe comparing to Monte Carlo or Barcelona or Rome.
But, you know, many players complained a little bit about the speed of the balls last year, so it was really difficult to control.
So this year, they're a little bit heavier, which I like. I really don't have any complaints about it.
Told you Djokovic liked heavier balls. He wants to feel in control out there. Easier for defending as well as turning defense to offense. Federer is the one hating the ball change the most.

Lemoned
05-28-2012, 06:47 PM
After the first round match;

Q. How do you feel about court conditions? Quick balls? Somebody said that heavy balls.
ROGER FEDERER: I think they're heavy. I think the balls are heavy. I think they're slower than last year. Conditions here are always faster during the day. Courts are on the harder side, especially when it's with good weather like today. Feels like it's faster. I feel the balls are not the fastest ones. I just think that also is just taking some adjustments to that, because the ball is different here again than the last six, seven weeks for us. I think that also maybe takes some getting used to, which is normal. That's why I'm happy to be through to the second round, having more information on how actually the court and the balls play here.


Q. Today Federer said that the balls were really slow. Would you say that this was also more difficult for you today? Or wouldn't you say there was any connection with the balls?
DAVID NALBANDIAN: Well, for me, that's the contrary. I felt the balls were faster, faster than other years. They fly more. They're more like lively balls. But on the Suzanne Lenglen Court, usually it's a court that's slower than the other courts; whereas, you know, I had the impression that the balls were faster and more difficult to control.

jmverdugo
05-28-2012, 08:14 PM
Oh my, did they change the balls? then this is NOT tennis.

cknobman
05-29-2012, 08:36 AM
How do you know they made the ball slower? They could have made it even faster.

The balls are Babolat that is how we know.

vandre
05-29-2012, 08:48 AM
The only complaint last year were from a few clay court specialists who were ****y that they weren't identical to the lead-up tournaments.

How come they're not complaining that every hard-court tournament post Wimbledon has different speed courts?

because post wimbledon, the clay court specialists go back to clay for a bit :twisted:

Lemoned
05-29-2012, 09:04 AM
They didn't produce the light-fast ball of the last year on purpose. It was kind of accidental. Moreover the unusually super dry conditions of Paris made things even more exceptional. A lot of players were complaining how hard to control the ball and the stiffness wouldn't be good to their joints. They unanimously agreed the balls had very distinctive feels and presumably a large portion of them felt it was too much. So it's not a surprise they've changed the balls to make them more similar to Dunlop balls. It has nothing to do with favoring a certain player, IMO.


Edit - Here's a report about the ball change

http://www.thetennisspace.com/opinion/slower-softer-tennis-balls-helping-rafa-nadal-in-paris/

At Roland Garros, the tournament is not the same as it was last spring, as they have changed the balls. This year, the balls are softer, spongier and heavier, so the conditions are just that bit slower on the Parisian clay. Not a huge amount softer, spongier, heavier and slower, but enough to make a difference. And enough for Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic and others to have commented (though there is not universal agreement, as contrarian-in-chief David Nalbandian has suggested that conditions are faster, and Andy Murray said before his first-round match that there is not a huge amount of difference).

The change is not going to attract anything like the same comment that Madrid did after deciding to dye their clay blue, but it could make a significant difference to who ends up winning this event. This is one change to the clay-court swing that Rafael Nadal – who has threatened to skip next year’s Madrid tournament – should be happy with. The slower the conditions, the more likely it is that Nadal will win the tournament.

The French Tennis Federation have not changed to these Babolat balls to help a player who is attempting to win a record seventh title, and a player who happens to be sponsored by Babolat, but because of complaints from the locker-room last year that they had sore elbows and shoulders when the balls were too hard. In an ideal world, the same ball would be used for each part of the season – one for the American hard-court swing, one for the European clay-court season, one for the grass, and so on – but that is unlikely to ever happen because of the agreements that federations and tournaments have in place with ball suppliers. Players are going to have to keep on adapting from one tournament to another, and from one year to another at the same venue.