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mcenroefan
05-28-2012, 12:11 PM
This boggles my mind: I mean when Nadal had the chance to make it four in a row, you would have thought this board and the world of tennis announcers were going to blow like Mount Vesuvius. It was hyped beyond all imagination. Every thread on the board was a debate over whether he might be on the cusp of achieving a Rafa Slam or a Grand Slam.

I have a feeling that there would be at least some hype as well if it were Fed.

But, when it's Nole, there's barely a whisper.

I think Nole is getting shafted a bit....both on the hype and, candidly, on the manner in which they are fixing, uh pulling, the draws.

It's like the tennis world invested so heavily in Nadal, and before that Fed, that it just can't bring itself to hype/promote anyone but them.

Thoughts?

NIKEtennis94'
05-28-2012, 12:12 PM
its the French Open...nobody is talked about other then Nadal

El Diablo
05-28-2012, 12:15 PM
OK, let's talk about it. It might happen. It might not. Did I leave anything out?

Clarky21
05-28-2012, 12:19 PM
Really? That's all they've been talking about,and even made a freaking commercial about it. As a matter of fact,they talk about Rolaids incessantly,no matter if he is playing or not. I think they are desperately trying to make him more popular,but are failing miserably at it.

mcenroefan
05-28-2012, 12:20 PM
OK, let's talk about it. It might happen. It might not. Did I leave anything out?

Well, if he does it, he will have achieved something that neither Fed nor Nadal has achieved.....you'd think there would be a tad of discussion about it....at least a prefatory to the possibility that some guy who played with Fed and Nadl now has achieved something that the supposed GOATS never did.

Maybe all of this GOAT talk has put tennis in a corner and they have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that Fed and Nadal are better than Borg, Connors, Laver, etc combined????

Anyway, I think it's very odd.

Nevertheless, I admire your perfunctory analysis.

CMM
05-28-2012, 12:23 PM
Because he's not very popular.

zagor
05-28-2012, 12:32 PM
He doesn't have the star power of Fed/Nadal and he's not the favourite for the FO this year the way Nadal was for 2010 AO.

Retra
05-28-2012, 12:33 PM
No one cares about Novak.

tennis_pro
05-28-2012, 12:49 PM
He doesn't have the star power of Fed/Nadal and he's not the favourite for the FO this year the way Nadal was for 2010 AO.

make that 2011 AO

kishnabe
05-28-2012, 01:00 PM
Nadal winning is a given....so why bother. The french, media, and true tennis lovers have been demoralized when it comes to the clay season!

not_federer
05-28-2012, 01:00 PM
No one cares about Novak.

That's it pretty much. I would find it highly amusing though if Nole achieves what Fedal never could, and I look forward to seeing the tennis world's reaction.

Fed will always be the greatest in my book, but hats off to Nole for his accomplishment - IF he can win FO this year.

Towser83
05-28-2012, 01:09 PM
because given that Djokovic has been beaten pretty easily by Nadal in the last 2 clay meetings (his most useless performances vs Nadal on clay since 2006, in fact quite possibly ever - every other year they played he managed to at least make one match more competitve than Rome and MC) it's looking pretty certain Nadal will win RG like he does nearly every year. If Djokovic had just won Rome, there would be huge talk about it. There was big talk a while ago but Nadal has gotten the upperhand again just before the event.

Satch
05-28-2012, 01:09 PM
Because he's not very popular.

In Spain? Maybe you are too much in love with Nadal to see if any other player is popular.

Clarky21
05-28-2012, 01:14 PM
because given that Djokovic has been beaten pretty easily by Nadal in the last 2 clay meetings (his most useless performances vs Nadal on clay since 2006, in fact quite possibly ever - every other year they played he managed to at least make one match more competitve than Rome and MC) it's looking pretty certain Nadal will win RG like he does nearly every year. If Djokovic had just won Rome, there would be huge talk about it. There was big talk a while ago but Nadal has gotten the upperhand again just before the event.


Rolaids will win it,and in 2 weeks you will get to see for yourself.

And WHO CARES that Rolaids lost to Nadal in MC and Rome? It means absolutely nothing,and won't stop him from winning RG.

Evan77
05-28-2012, 01:16 PM
That's it pretty much. I would find it highly amusing though if Nole achieves what Fedal never could, and I look forward to seeing the tennis world's reaction.

Fed will always be the greatest in my book, but hats off to Nole for his accomplishment - IF he can win FO this year.

I find it very amusing, when some ******s here claim 'nobody cares about Novak' ... we are talking about #1 player in the world ... a multiple GS champion. wtf, people do you want?

NOBODY, cares about you who have never achieved anything in your miserable lives ...

Fed is great, not question about it ... but if Novak manages to win RG, it's going to be big ...

GOAT BAAH!!!
05-28-2012, 01:18 PM
He is not an endearing champion.

Satch
05-28-2012, 01:21 PM
I find it very amusing, when some ******s here claim 'nobody cares about Novak' ... we are talking about #1 player in the world ... a multiple GS champion. wtf, people do you want?

NOBODY, cares about you who has never achieved anything in your miserable lives ...

Fed is great, not question about it ... but if Novak manages to win RG, it's going to be big ...

Finally someone normal here.. people posting that they "dont care" at all about this big (possible) achievement are not the real tennis fans, instead they are a bunch of miserable Nadal and Rog fans (probably stupid kids).

Evan77
05-28-2012, 01:26 PM
He is not an endearing champion.
no, hun ... what is entertaining to you ...do you really need to be entertained? have you ever read a book in your life? Have you ever played tennis? I'm loving Djoko right now because nobody else does ... I love Murray because nobody else does love him either ... and you people can keep going with Rog (who, I also love) and Nudall like forever ... meh

tangerine
05-28-2012, 01:36 PM
Because we don't want to jinx him. :cool:

sureshs
05-28-2012, 01:43 PM
Nadal gonna win it, not Djoker

laughingbuddha
05-28-2012, 01:48 PM
This boggles my mind: I mean when Nadal had the chance to make it four in a row, you would have thought this board and the world of tennis announcers were going to blow like Mount Vesuvius. It was hyped beyond all imagination. Every thread on the board was a debate over whether he might be on the cusp of achieving a Rafa Slam or a Grand Slam.

I have a feeling that there would be at least some hype as well if it were Fed.

But, when it's Nole, there's barely a whisper.

I think Nole is getting shafted a bit....both on the hype and, candidly, on the manner in which they are fixing, uh pulling, the draws.

It's like the tennis world invested so heavily in Nadal, and before that Fed, that it just can't bring itself to hype/promote anyone but them.

Thoughts?

Because even if he did it would mean very little considering the homogeneity of courts today.

Mustard
05-28-2012, 01:48 PM
OP, this has been talked about, along with the other possibilities like Nadal winning a 7th French Open.

Because even if he did it would mean very little considering the homogeneity of courts today.

There are still clear differences between the surfaces today, just not as drastic as in the 1990s.

laughingbuddha
05-28-2012, 02:01 PM
OP, this has been talked about, along with the other possibilities like Nadal winning a 7th French Open.



There are still clear differences between the surfaces today, just not as drastic as in the 1990s.

Not clear enough that 2 pushers are dominating the supposedly fast slams like Wimbledon and US open.

big_bill
05-28-2012, 02:02 PM
Novak is a good guy but he'll always be 2nd fiddle as long as Nadal and Federer are around. Even Adidas dumped him for some Scottish clown. Poor Djokovic :cry:

Hood_Man
05-28-2012, 03:24 PM
He isn't the BIG favourite I suppose. He won the Australian Open and asserted his dominance, then Federer went on a tear and was for a short while the best player, then the clay season started and Nadal took over as the best player, and now going into the final big event of the clay season I don't see Novak having much momentum.

Last year he had 2 wins in a row on clay over the most successful clay player for generations, possibly ever, and that's what made him such a favourite. This year he's had two defeats, and Nadal no longer looks afraid of him.

Things will change as we get further into the event, and if Novak can reach the semis in relatively comfortable fashion THEN the talk will really start to kick in again.

Right now though I'd say Nadal is a much bigger favourite, and when Nadal is a big favourite for a clay event it's hard to muster much enthusiasm for someone to take him down.

[EDIT]

It IS being talked about though, but I'll admit the hype isn't what it was last year.

Evan77
05-28-2012, 04:10 PM
Nadal gonna win it, not Djoker
right, your crystal ball is working just fine, you need to tune it up or down a bit :shock:, well I was gonna ask you the winning lottery numbers ... could you help a bud? thank you

bullfan
05-28-2012, 04:10 PM
I think the hype will start up in full force next week, when an upcoming match between Novak-Nadal is closer and there's less players around. It will be used to hype the final, since there are 2-3 potential outcomes. Nadal wins 7 FO, Novak wins 4 slams in a row, or Federer wins another GS. Don't see any other option out there at this point.

BTW, this has been mentioned all along by the commentators.

Towser83
05-28-2012, 04:21 PM
Rolaids will win it,and in 2 weeks you will get to see for yourself.

And WHO CARES that Rolaids lost to Nadal in MC and Rome? It means absolutely nothing,and won't stop him from winning RG.

This is like 2011 in reverse with *******s insisting djokovic couldn't beat Nadal in a final, then another final, then on clay, then in a slam.

Djokovic has for play better to beat Nadal. way better. he's had his worst year vs Nadal on clay since 2006. No way rolaids beats senor silla without upping his game drastically, plus he likely has to beat fed to even get to Nadal. He has totally lost the mental advantage over Nadal.

If Nadal wins will you drop this crap about Novak winning and beating Nadal when we move on to wimbledon? Don't say he won't, just suspend your disbelief for a moment and live in the same universe that saw Nadal beat djokovic twice in a row without losing a set.

if Nadal wins will you drop this act or will you carry on the jinxing rubbish?

Clarky21
05-28-2012, 04:22 PM
right, your crystal ball is working just fine, you need to tune it up or down a bit :shock:, well I was gonna ask you the winning lottery numbers ... could you help a bud? thank you



Who do you think is going to win it?

Clarky21
05-28-2012, 04:26 PM
This is like 2011 in reverse with *******s insisting djokovic couldn't beat Nadal in a final, then another final, then on clay, then in a slam.

Djokovic has for play better to beat Nadal. way better. he's had his worst year vs Nadal on clay since 2006. No way rolaids beats senor silla without upping his game drastically, plus he likely has to beat fed to even get to Nadal. He has totally lost the mental advantage over Nadal.

If Nadal wins will you drop this crap about Novak winning and beating Nadal when we move on to wimbledon? Don't say he won't, just suspend your disbelief for a moment and live in the same universe that saw Nadal beat djokovic twice in a row without losing a set. if Nadal wins will you drop this act or will you carry on the jinxing rubbish?


Yeah,just like he played so much better all through Wimby last year,but still beat Nadal in the final right? Or even before that,where Nadal played better than he did throughout most of the clay season,but Rolaids still beat him the Rome and Madrid finals right? For the last time,how these two are playing up until they face each other means jack. Nadal still loses no matter if he's played the better of the two or not.


No he hasn't. Nadal has not beaten Rolaids in a slam in 2 years. He has lost 7 finals to him,3 of them in slams,yet you think 2 meaningless wins in MC and Rome is suddenly going to fix mental destruction like that? Get real.


Nadal won't win sh*t,so there will be nothing to drop.



Again,totally meaningless,and won't matter whatsoever in the slams.



Nadal is not going to win,and I am not doing any sort of jinxing rubbish. Nadal hasn't won anything that really matters in a year. He is not about to start now,especially if he makes the final to face Rolaids.

Towser83
05-28-2012, 04:26 PM
Because even if he did it would mean very little considering the homogeneity of courts today.

Well fed has failed to do it in 9 years of winning slams, Nadal has failed to do it in 7 years of winning slams. federer has failed because of Nadal and Nadal has failed because he has not been consistently good enough on hardcourt. if Djokovic manages to get past both these issues (the latter he pretty much has) then that is still a big deal. just winning 4 straight slams even if they were on the same surface is a big deal.

Murrayfan31
05-28-2012, 04:30 PM
Djokovic will win RG. He likes the heavier balls and will rally until the end if possible. Poor Nadal will be exhausted and have more knee problems after the RG final.

Evan77
05-28-2012, 04:30 PM
Who do you think is going to win it?
I don't know ... I guess Nadal or Djoko, if I have to guess ... I just don't like when people make bold predictions .... it would be funny if someone out of the 3 Gods wins it, I'd love it :)

on the other hand I think I'll be cheering for Novak so I can tease, use and abuse *** forever, lol.

Towser83
05-28-2012, 04:46 PM
Yeah,just like he played so much better all through Wimby last year,but still beat Nadal in the final right? Or even before that,where Nadal played better than he did throughout most of the clay season,but Rolaids still beat him the Rome and Madrid finals right? For the last time,how these two are playing up until they face each other means jack. Nadal still loses no matter if he's played the better of the two or not.


No he hasn't. Nadal has not beaten Rolaids in a slam in 2 years. He has lost 7 finals to him,3 of them in slams,yet you think 2 meaningless wins in MC and Rome is suddenly going to fix mental destruction like that? Get real.


Nadal won't win sh*t,so there will be nothng to drop.



Again,totally meaningless,and won't matter whatsoever in the slams.



Nadal is not going to win,and I am not doing any sort of jinxing rubbish. Nadal hasn't won anything that really matters in a year. He is not about to start now,especially if he makes the final to face Rolaids.


Except he DID beat him the last 2 times they met. I'm not comparing the form they are in in each tournament up til meeting, i'm discussing the form Djokovic was in WHEN HE PLAYED NADAL. Got it? He couldn't take a set off nadal and if he plays like that in RG Nadal will beat him without having to play better than his C game.

The first time Djokovic beat Nadal was Wimby 2011 which isn't even a year ago, so his slam dominace has lasted less than a year. You try and word it so it seems like Nadal has been Djokovic's toy in slams for twice as long.

Also it works both ways, djokovic lost to nadal in 5 slams in a row incuding the US Open which was on a surface that gives Djokovic the edge and where he had more experience, also lost again on hard at the WTF. So did the meaningless wins in masters tournaments fix his mental disadvantage? Yeah they did.

And your inabillity to even answer a straight hypothetical scenario question on what your opinion will be if nadal does win, shows you are either trolling or jinxing. Your tired agenda had some basis in reality while nadal was losing all the time but it's continuance in the face of him winning is exposing you. When he wins RG and you continue to say he will never win, it will be totally transparent.

It's a simple question, if nadal does somehow win RG will you drop this agenda of proclaiming he cannot win a slam/beat djokovic etc? You said he'd never even make the final of rome, so assume for a moment you're wrong again like you have een about 50 times this year alone.

I know you won't answer because you're scared you might have to actually stop posting like this if he wins.

bullfan
05-28-2012, 05:14 PM
Except he DID beat him the last 2 times they met. I'm not comparing the form they are in in each tournament up til meeting, i'm discussing the form Djokovic was in WHEN HE PLAYED NADAL. Got it? He couldn't take a set off nadal and if he plays like that in RG Nadal will beat him without having to play better than his C game.

The first time Djokovic beat Nadal was Wimby 2011 which isn't even a year ago, so his slam dominace has lasted less than a year. You try and word it so it seems like Nadal has been Djokovic's toy in slams for twice as long.

Also it works both ways, djokovic lost to nadal in 5 slams in a row incuding the US Open which was on a surface that gives Djokovic the edge and where he had more experience, also lost again on hard at the WTF. So did the meaningless wins in masters tournaments fix his mental disadvantage? Yeah they did.

And your inabillity to even answer a straight hypothetical scenario question on what your opinion will be if nadal does win, shows you are either trolling or jinxing. Your tired agenda had some basis in reality while nadal was losing all the time but it's continuance in the face of him winning is exposing you. When he wins RG and you continue to say he will never win, it will be totally transparent.

It's a simple question, if nadal does somehow win RG will you drop this agenda of proclaiming he cannot win a slam/beat djokovic etc? You said he'd never even make the final of rome, so assume for a moment you're wrong again like you have een about 50 times this year alone.

I know you won't answer because you're scared you might have to actually stop posting like this if he wins.

Chicken Little loves the attention obtained from being a huge fan of Nadal's that is the only realistic fan, no matter if Nadal wins or not. Nadal was going to lose at MC no matter that Djokovic's grandpa had died.... Nadal was going to lose at Rome, but it means nothing cause Nadal hasn't won a slam in almost 2 years.... Of course, that math is pretty bad since Nadal won in 2011 USOpen against Novak. But, pesky little details don't bother Chicken Little.

CocaCola
05-28-2012, 05:36 PM
With all due respect, but only an idiot can say that nobody cares about Novak. This subject is one of the spotlights at the French Open, he's asked about it at every presser, others too (Fed, Serena etc.), also among the tennis legends who mention it all the time. Then again, this is TW forum, majority here are Fed fans. If he does it, he's got a legend status to his name and a more popularity, that's for sure.

Clarky21
05-28-2012, 07:00 PM
Chicken Little loves the attention obtained from being a huge fan of Nadal's that is the only realistic fan, no matter if Nadal wins or not. Nadal was going to lose at MC no matter that Djokovic's grandpa had died.... Nadal was going to lose at Rome, but it means nothing cause Nadal hasn't won a slam in almost 2 years.... Of course, that math is pretty bad since Nadal won in 2011 USOpen against Novak. But, pesky little details don't bother Chicken Little.


He did? That sure is news to me because I seem to remember he lost his a** in 4 sets.


Obviously they don't bother you either,since you can't even manage to get the year right when Nadal last beat Rolaids in a slam.

Clarky21
05-28-2012, 07:04 PM
Except he DID beat him the last 2 times they met. I'm not comparing the form they are in in each tournament up til meeting, i'm discussing the form Djokovic was in WHEN HE PLAYED NADAL. Got it? He couldn't take a set off nadal and if he plays like that in RG Nadal will beat him without having to play better than his C game.

The first time Djokovic beat Nadal was Wimby 2011 which isn't even a year ago, so his slam dominace has lasted less than a year. You try and word it so it seems like Nadal has been Djokovic's toy in slams for twice as long.

Also it works both ways, djokovic lost to nadal in 5 slams in a row incuding the US Open which was on a surface that gives Djokovic the edge and where he had more experience, also lost again on hard at the WTF. So did the meaningless wins in masters tournaments fix his mental disadvantage? Yeah they did.

And your inabillity to even answer a straight hypothetical scenario question on what your opinion will be if nadal does win, shows you are either trolling or jinxing. Your tired agenda had some basis in reality while nadal was losing all the time but it's continuance in the face of him winning is exposing you. When he wins RG and you continue to say he will never win, it will be totally transparent.

It's a simple question, if nadal does somehow win RG will you drop this agenda of proclaiming he cannot win a slam/beat djokovic etc? You said he'd never even make the final of rome, so assume for a moment you're wrong again like you have een about 50 times this year alone.

I know you won't answer because you're scared you might have to actually stop posting like this if he wins.



If by some miracle from God himself Nadal wins RG,it won't be by beating Rolaids. And even if he did,I still don't think it changes the dynamic between them much. Those 7 final losses with 3 of them being in slams is total domination,and beating Rolaids a whopping once in a slam(don't make me laugh)out of all those chances is not impressive at all.


You got your answer,and :lol: to your thinking I would be "scared" of posting again if Nadal wins. Give me a break,Towser. :lol:

MaiDee
05-28-2012, 07:58 PM
No one cares about Novak.


you don't like him do ya?

Towser83
05-28-2012, 09:41 PM
If by some miracle from God himself Nadal wins RG,it won't be by beating Rolaids. And even if he did,I still don't think it changes the dynamic between them much. Those 7 final losses with 3 of them being in slams is total domination,and beating Rolaids a whopping once in a slam(don't make me laugh)out of all those chances is not impressive at all.


You got your answer,and :lol: to your thinking I would be "scared" of posting again if Nadal wins. Give me a break,Towser. :lol:

I didn't say you wouldn't post again, i said you were scared that you might have to drop the same line you have been spouting for ages.

Also first you say not slam matches don't mean anything but you say one match win in Roland garros won't mean anything next to 7 losses, but that means you're including non slam wins. he's only lost to Djokovic 3 times in slams so 3-1 isn't bad especially as Nadal beat Djokovic 5 times in slams previously. Djokovic turned it around so why can't Nadal? If you talk about 7 losses you have to count 3 wins and counting for Nadal if he wins in Roland gaross, not one. This is the same bs as counting novak's 6 month period of slam dominace over Nadal as 2 years :lol:

Basically if Nadal beats Djokovic in the next 3 slams you will still go on like this. even if Nadal won the next 20 matches against Djokovic, including the next 6 slam meetings, you would still be claiming Nadal will never beat him again. you may need help. its ridiculous beyond belief.

mandy01
05-28-2012, 09:45 PM
........because Nadal is the absolute favourite. People know what Djokovic can achieve but also know that's an uphill battle all the way through.

firepanda
05-28-2012, 09:53 PM
People do...just not on TW. We're all apparently Fed fans here, so we obsess over him winning, while hating on Nadal. Those two get all the discussion, which Nole is sadly neglected. When Nole beats Fed a couple more times, he'll get his time in the spotlight here.

TopFH
05-28-2012, 09:57 PM
People do...just not on TW. We're all apparently Fed fans here, so we obsess over him winning, while hating on Nadal. Those two get all the discussion, which Nole is sadly neglected. When Nole beats Fed and Nadal a couple more times, he'll get his time in the spotlight here.

Fixed it for ya.

ramos77
05-28-2012, 10:10 PM
not many people want him to win it.

let's be honest here

Murrayfan31
05-28-2012, 11:51 PM
not many people want him to win it.

let's be honest here
Speak for yourself. I would love it. He is great for tennis. :)

goderer
05-28-2012, 11:57 PM
He has a lot of haters. I wonder how it feels for him to go to each country and have so little support compared to Roger.

It's also so hilarious how he tries to get more fans by attempting to speak french. LOL

Tony48
05-29-2012, 12:38 AM
People ARE talking about it. I'd say the hype is similar to Nadal's attempt at the "Rafa Slam" last year in Australia....but since neither is/was the favorite at the event, they are/were more like side-line discussions.

EDIT: I think it might have been a 3-way tie for favorites in that tournament: Fed, Novak & Nadal. Nonetheless, the "Novak Slam" is definitely on a lot of people's minds. It's just that it's not the "most likely" scenario to occur at RG at the moment. But when we get into the 2nd week (assuming Novak is still in contention), then the talk will certainly ramp up.

NadalAgassi
05-29-2012, 12:44 AM
I thought Nadal was the favorite for the 2011 Australian Open, atleast pre tournament. I wonder if he wasnt then who was.

primetennis
05-29-2012, 01:23 AM
that's bcoz it ain't gonna happen !!

sbengte
05-29-2012, 01:56 AM
This boggles my mind: I mean when Nadal had the chance to make it four in a row, you would have thought this board and the world of tennis announcers were going to blow like Mount Vesuvius. It was hyped beyond all imagination. Every thread on the board was a debate over whether he might be on the cusp of achieving a Rafa Slam or a Grand Slam.

I have a feeling that there would be at least some hype as well if it were Fed.

But, when it's Nole, there's barely a whisper.

Thoughts?

Well, in the impending days of 'Rafa slam', Nadal had loyal, dedicated and devoted fans who would ensure that every thread on the board is about the 'Rafa slam' and the aftermath so you didn't forget it for a single minute. Must say poor Nole isn't as lucky. If only we had some Nolezillas on the board, this wouldn't have been the case.

tata
05-29-2012, 02:21 AM
This boggles my mind: I mean when Nadal had the chance to make it four in a row, you would have thought this board and the world of tennis announcers were going to blow like Mount Vesuvius. It was hyped beyond all imagination. Every thread on the board was a debate over whether he might be on the cusp of achieving a Rafa Slam or a Grand Slam.

I have a feeling that there would be at least some hype as well if it were Fed.

But, when it's Nole, there's barely a whisper.

I think Nole is getting shafted a bit....both on the hype and, candidly, on the manner in which they are fixing, uh pulling, the draws.

It's like the tennis world invested so heavily in Nadal, and before that Fed, that it just can't bring itself to hype/promote anyone but them.

Thoughts?

Well he does have to the goat of clay in a best of 5 match, and nole's form isnt his 2011 form. He is mortal now. Nadal has never lost a final at RG and that is a very telling stat. I mean sure, anything can happen, but the chatrier court is his lounge room.

Blinkism
05-29-2012, 02:25 AM
This boggles my mind: I mean when Nadal had the chance to make it four in a row, you would have thought this board and the world of tennis announcers were going to blow like Mount Vesuvius. It was hyped beyond all imagination. Every thread on the board was a debate over whether he might be on the cusp of achieving a Rafa Slam or a Grand Slam.

I have a feeling that there would be at least some hype as well if it were Fed.

Calling this an understatement would, in itself, be an understatement (a meta-understatement?).

Wuppy
05-29-2012, 02:42 AM
Jojo's just kind of a bore. Ya don't love him, ya don't hate him, I'm sure he's a nice guy and a helluva player, but he doesn't inspire emotions. He has no real "style."

Jojo is kind of like swallowing a piece of chewing gum. It passes through you and comes out in your feces. It doesn't nourish you, it doesn't poison you, it's inert. It doesn't change you and isn't changed itself. It's as if nothing ever happened in the first place. The world goes on.

abmk
05-29-2012, 02:50 AM
the same reason why not many talked about the fed slam before 2006 FO, 2007 FO .... nadal was and is the clear fav at the FO ...

abmk
05-29-2012, 02:52 AM
People ARE talking about it. I'd say the hype is similar to Nadal's attempt at the "Rafa Slam" last year in Australia....

no, it isn't even close IMO ...

but since neither is/was the favorite at the event, they are/were more like side-line discussions.

EDIT: I think it might have been a 3-way tie for favorites in that tournament: Fed, Novak & Nadal. Nonetheless, the "Novak Slam" is definitely on a lot of people's minds. It's just that it's not the "most likely" scenario to occur at RG at the moment. But when we get into the 2nd week (assuming Novak is still in contention), then the talk will certainly ramp up.

rafa was the fav at 2011 AO , definitely much more so than djoker at this year's FO ..

zagor
05-29-2012, 03:10 AM
make that 2011 AO

Yeah, meant 2011 AO.

Thing is, Nadal is an overwhelming favourite for this year's FO so very few people think Novak's gonna win it while for 2011 AO Nadal was the main favourite (or at the very least co-favourite) for a number of reasons.

Clarky21
05-29-2012, 05:02 AM
that's bcoz it ain't gonna happen !!


Yes it is.

tennis_pro
05-29-2012, 05:12 AM
because Djokovic has the FO in the bag already

srinrajesh
05-29-2012, 05:27 AM
The hype is not as much probably because
1) he has never won the tournament before or even reached the final
2) he has to probably beat Federer on clay after losing last year in SF
3) he probably has to beat Nadal on clay in best of 5 set match -that has happened only once in history

srinrajesh
05-29-2012, 05:27 AM
Probably it may increase once he reaches the second week though

absurdo
05-29-2012, 05:30 AM
i think people are not talking about it because:

a) if nadal managed to win 4 in a row he would do something federer never did; they are much closer in goat discussions thand novak is so that was really relevant.

b) if novak does it it's a great great accomplishment, of course, and people will be talking about it a lot, but he would be so far away from fed's 16, still, that no one can claim nothing...

c) it's all about who is the best. the absolute best. and novak is so far away from it that the discussion lacks passion

cknobman
05-29-2012, 08:29 AM
Not talking about it because honestly if Nadal is on the other half of the net in the final Novak isnt playing well enough to beat him.

primetennis
05-29-2012, 09:15 AM
Yes it is.

oh really???what about ur monte-carlo n rome predictions of nole winning???nd the one abt nadal's *** getting whipped by berdych??go figure babe!!

Clarky21
05-29-2012, 10:05 AM
oh really???what about ur monte-carlo n rome predictions of nole winning???nd the one abt nadal's *** getting whipped by berdych??go figure babe!!

We'll see,sweetcakes. :lol:

BlueClayIsRealClay
05-29-2012, 10:08 AM
Djokovic ain't making it to the semi even

Clarky21
05-29-2012, 10:23 AM
Djokovic ain't making it to the semi even


Just who on planet earth is going to him from reaching the semi? No way he doesn't make the final,much less the semi.

primetennis
05-29-2012, 10:32 AM
We'll see,sweetcakes. :lol:

sure hon!!jus like we hv seen in rome n mc..:)

Sentinel
05-29-2012, 10:37 AM
Just who on planet earth is going to him from reaching the semi? No way he doesn't make the final,much less the semi.
Clarky, you've begun using "much less" in pretty much all yer posts. Nadal won't win one slam, much less three. Nadal won't reach the semis, much less the final. Nadal won't win 10 RG's, much less a hundred billion.

Some of us fans do read all your posts, yer know.:)

BlueClayIsRealClay
05-29-2012, 10:37 AM
Just who on planet earth is going to him from reaching the semi? No way he doesn't make the final,much less the semi.

Anyone at this point. He's playing like crap.

Clarky21
05-29-2012, 11:06 AM
Clarky, you've begun using "much less" in pretty much all yer posts. Nadal won't win one slam, much less three. Nadal won't reach the semis, much less the final. Nadal won't win 10 RG's, much less a hundred billion.

Some of us fans do read all your posts, yer know.:)



Well,you use silly gifs in nearly every post you make so what's the difference? Actually,I think this is the first post you have made in eons that didn't have one. I think you're slacking off Sentigif. :)

Clarky21
05-29-2012, 11:07 AM
Anyone at this point. He's playing like crap.


Nah,he's playing just fine. He will make the final as there is noone in his draw that's gonna come anywhere near stopping him.

bullfan
05-29-2012, 05:50 PM
He did? That sure is news to me because I seem to remember he lost his a** in 4 sets.


Obviously they don't bother you either,since you can't even manage to get the year right when Nadal last beat Rolaids in a slam.

It was an accident that I said 2011, when everyone knows perfectly well he beat him in 2010, which was less than 2 years ago. Deflect even when you know something is a typo Chicken Little.

BlueClayIsRealClay
05-29-2012, 07:07 PM
Nah,he's playing just fine. He will make the final as there is noone in his draw that's gonna come anywhere near stopping him.

Not sure which Novak you're watching. But he is playing worse than anyone of the top 4 right now.

Clarky21
05-29-2012, 07:22 PM
Not sure which Novak you're watching. But he is playing worse than anyone of the top 4 right now.


No way. He had better stats for his match than either Fed or Nadal did in theirs. I'm not sure about Murray,but I know Rolaids outplayed Fedal by quite a margin in his first match.

BlueClayIsRealClay
05-29-2012, 07:23 PM
No way. He had better stats for his match than either Fed or Nadal did in theirs. I'm not sure about Murray,but I know Rolaids outplayed Fedal by quite a margin in his first match.

Nadal lost the fewest game in his opening rounder.

Clarky21
05-29-2012, 07:24 PM
Nadal lost the fewest game in his opening rounder.


Doesn't matter. He had more ue's,less winners,and served poorly. He played worse than Rolaids did by a mile.

BlueClayIsRealClay
05-29-2012, 07:25 PM
Doesn't matter. He had more ue's,less winners,and served poorly. He played worse than Rolaids did by a mile.

Doesn't matter, only the final score counts. Nadal played better.

MaiDee
05-30-2012, 07:36 AM
winning streak - 23 matches at major championships

phnx90
05-30-2012, 08:41 AM
...because many, if not most Djokovic fans on this forum are actually *******s, who don't actually care about Djokovic.

Towser83
05-30-2012, 11:47 AM
Nah,he's playing just fine. He will make the final as there is noone in his draw that's gonna come anywhere near stopping him.

surely he can't be playing anything less than utter, total stinky brown cack, if he lost in straight sets twice to nadal who can't play to save his life?

I mean isn't that the only reason why Nadal won?

Keep contradicting yourself.

I agree he should make the semis, and is favourite against Fed though. Still might lose to Roger though.

Clarky21
05-30-2012, 11:58 AM
surely he can't be playing anything less than utter, total stinky brown cack, if he lost in straight sets twice to nadal who can't play to save his life?

I mean isn't that the only reason why Nadal won?

Keep contradicting yourself.

I agree he should make the semis, and is favourite against Fed though. Still might lose to Roger though.


Against Nadal he did,but this is a slam and not some meaningless lead up tournament. Rolaids shows up for the slams,and he has played better at RG than he did in MC or Rome.


Yep. If you think Nadal would have beaten a non-zombiefied Rolaids in either of those finals you're just delusional. Nadal played like crap,and Rolaids just beat himself.


I still don't know why you keep insisting Nadal is playing well. You must be watching a different player because the one I have been watching can't serve to save his a**,has no backhand,is a mental midget,and is playing from the stands he is so far back. I would love for you to explain to me just how you think that kind of tennis is going to beat Rolaids,who has won 4 out of the last 5 slams?

zagor
05-30-2012, 11:58 AM
...because many, if not most Djokovic fans on this forum are actually *******s, who don't actually care about Djokovic.

Do tell, who are those supposed *******s who are pretending to be Novak fans? I see Nadal fans throw this around a lot like it's some kinda fact while the reality is that about the only guy who fit that description was DjokovicForTheWin (who's banned), sure there are some Fed fans who root for Novak when he plays Nadal but then again they root for anyone who's playing Nadal.

I can name you the majority of Novak fans here and only Towser83 and myself are also fans of Fed.

But hey generalization is fun, I'm sure we can make a few about Nadal fanbase which wouldn't sit all that well with you.

The reasons that there isn't much hype are fairly obvious:

-Novak fanbase here isn't nearly as large as Nadal and Fed fanbase is.

-Everyone sane expects Nadal to win the FO, the fact that he straight-setted Novak the two times they met this CC season coupled with his overall dominance/history at FO makes it hard for everyone to see past him as the winner.

TMF
05-30-2012, 12:05 PM
There are *******s pretend to be a Nole fans. i.e. Lolville

Evan77
05-30-2012, 12:11 PM
I'm a fan of both Djoko and Fed for all kinda different reasons .... but I don't worship anyone... I love tennis ... love Rog, probably being the best shot maker in history ... love Nole's movement and athleticism ...

Clarky21
05-30-2012, 12:11 PM
Do tell, who are those supposed *******s who are pretending to be Novak fans? I see Nadal fans throw this around a lot like it's some kinda fact while the reality is that about the only guy who fit that description was DjokovicForTheWin (who's banned), sure there are some Fed fans who root for Novak when he plays Nadal but then again they root for anyone who's playing Nadal.

I can name you the majority of Novak fans here and only Towser83 and myself are also fans of Fed.

But hey generalization is fun, I'm sure we can make a few about Nadal fanbase which wouldn't sit all that well with you.

The reasons that there isn't much hype are fairly obvious:

-Novak fanbase here isn't nearly as large as Nadal and Fed fanbase is.

-Everyone sane expects Nadal to win the FO, the fact that he straight-setted Novak the two times they met this CC season coupled with his overall dominance/history at FO makes it hard for everyone to see past him as the winner.


Seriously,all I can do is laugh. :lol:

Hitman
05-30-2012, 12:17 PM
I can name you the majority of Novak fans here and only Towser83 and myself are also fans of Fed.



ahhhh....Nope. Sorry Zagor, I am a fan of both also. Myself and Towser83 have had several discussions about both Roger and Novak as fans of both.

phnx90
05-30-2012, 12:39 PM
Do tell, who are those supposed *******s who are pretending to be Novak fans? I see Nadal fans throw this around a lot like it's some kinda fact while the reality is that about the only guy who fit that description was DjokovicForTheWin (who's banned), sure there are some Fed fans who root for Novak when he plays Nadal but then again they root for anyone who's playing Nadal.
"some Fed fans...root for Novak when he plays Nadal"? Since only some root against Rafa, you make it sound as though the rest want Rafa to win, which can't be further from the truth. Anyway I said "many if not most". There are loads of Fed fans on this forum, and many of the non-regulars do post on the match threads only. Not much of a stretch to say that many of these people take delight in Rafa losing to Djokovic, as Fed has over the years to Rafa. These people are the Djokovic 'fans' I was referring to. Maybe if I put "fans" in quotation marks, you'd get the point?
I can name you the majority of Novak fans here and only Towser83 and myself are also fans of Fed.
Cool. But I didn't ask you to do a roll call, did I?
But hey generalization is fun, I'm sure we can make a few about Nadal fanbase which wouldn't sit all that well with you.
You're welcome to make as many generalisations about Nadal fans as you like, until you run out of other ways of saying "you're most likely a menopausal single mother with nothing better to do with her time than watch a macho Spanish topspin ape move his massive a_s across dirt like a jack rabbit, just to feel what it is like to be in 'love' one last time and feel somewhat worthy". Everyone already does it, so what's stopping you? More importantly, even if you do decide to start, what makes you think I would be bothered by them? If it's so important not to (presumably) never make generalisations statements, where were you when Nadal fans are subjected to actually absolute statements (which, btw, is what you should be critiquing, not generalisations)?

Generalisations are exactly that: they're general. Irrespective what I may state about the Djokovic fanbase as a whole, ultimately, I said "many, if not most". I didn't say "every" or "all". You could've easily taken my comment to not include actual Djokovic fans like you since I was actually taking aim at the great wealth of ad hoc Djokovic fans, i.e. Fed fans who just want to see Rafa lose, but it looks like you aren't much more rational than obnoxious *******s who I was actually taking aim at. So before you go Judge Judy on me, I suggest you re-read what I said, until you realise I'm not going out my way to p_ss you off.

kragster
05-30-2012, 12:44 PM
Do tell, who are those supposed *******s who are pretending to be Novak fans? I see Nadal fans throw this around a lot like it's some kinda fact while the reality is that about the only guy who fit that description was DjokovicForTheWin (who's banned), sure there are some Fed fans who root for Novak when he plays Nadal but then again they root for anyone who's playing Nadal.

I can name you the majority of Novak fans here and only Towser83 and myself are also fans of Fed.

But hey generalization is fun, I'm sure we can make a few about Nadal fanbase which wouldn't sit all that well with you.

The reasons that there isn't much hype are fairly obvious:

-Novak fanbase here isn't nearly as large as Nadal and Fed fanbase is.


Spot on. I think "it seems" that there are many Novak fans when he is playing Rafa but many of them are honest that they simply care about Rafa losing. DFTW is the only one I can recollect who claimed to be a huge Nole fan but as soon as any Nole vs Fed discussion came up, all the praise for Nole would go down the gutter.

zagor
05-30-2012, 01:18 PM
"some Fed fans...root for Novak when he plays Nadal"? Since only some root against Rafa, you make it sound as though the rest want Rafa to win, which can't be further from the truth. Anyway I said "many if not most". There are loads of Fed fans on this forum, and many of the non-regulars do post on the match threads only. Not much of a stretch to say that many of these people take delight in Rafa losing to Djokovic, as Fed has over the years to Rafa. These people are the Djokovic 'fans' I was referring to. Maybe if I put "fans" in quotation marks, you'd get the point?

Again, those Fed fans would root for Nicholas Almagro or Janko Tipsarevic if he played Nadal, they don't make an effort to pass off as Novak fans, they just openly hate/dislike Nadal and Novak is the player that has beaten Nadal the most times so they often show up in Nadal-Novak match threads hoping that Nadal's gonna lose again.

I mean following your logic, we should consider all Nadal fans that rooted for Fed in Fed-Novak FO SF last year to be phonies that have tried to pass off themselves as Fed fans.

Cool. But I didn't ask you to do a roll call, did I?

Not directly no, but you made a claim that "many if not most Novak fans on this forum are *******s who don't care about Novak".

As I said I find that claim to be wrong as I can name most Novak fans on this forum and the vast majority of them doesn't fit that description.

You're welcome to make as many generalisations about Nadal fans as you like, until you run out of other ways of saying "you're most likely a menopausal single mother with nothing better to do with her time than watch a macho Spanish topspin ape move his massive a_s across dirt like a jack rabbit, just to feel what it is like to be in 'love' one last time and feel somewhat worthy".

Nah, I don't really like making them all that often though I am guilty of doing it occasionally (usually when baited by some troll or similar).

Everyone already does it, so what's stopping you? More importantly, even if you do decide to start, what makes you think I would be bothered by them? If it's so important not to (presumably) never make generalisations statements, where were you when Nadal fans are subjected to actually absolute statements (which, btw, is what you should be critiquing, not generalisations)?

Eh, why should I care whether people generalize about Nadal fans or not? I'm not a Nadal fan and don't particulary care for his fanbase.

Generalisations are exactly that: they're general. Irrespective what I may state about the Djokovic fanbase as a whole, ultimately, I said "many, if not most". I didn't say "every" or "all". You could've easily taken my comment to not include actual Djokovic fans like you since I was actually taking aim at the great wealth of ad hoc Djokovic fans, i.e. Fed fans who just want to see Rafa lose

I've taken your comment in the way that you presented it. You claimed Novak's fanbase on this forum is largely (or even entirely) consisted
of *******s, a statement which I find to be completely off base.

There are about a dozen or so Novak fans on this forum and most of them aren't his fans because he beats Nadal.

...but it looks like you aren't much more rational than obnoxious *******s who I was actually taking aim at.

Never claimed I am.

So before you go Judge Judy on me, I suggest you re-read what I said, until you realise I'm not going out my way to p_ss you off.

There's nothing to re-read, your statement was perfectly clear and didn't really leave room for some different interpretation.

Clarky21
05-30-2012, 01:20 PM
"some Fed fans...root for Novak when he plays Nadal"? Since only some root against Rafa, you make it sound as though the rest want Rafa to win, which can't be further from the truth. Anyway I said "many if not most". There are loads of Fed fans on this forum, and many of the non-regulars do post on the match threads only. Not much of a stretch to say that many of these people take delight in Rafa losing to Djokovic, as Fed has over the years to Rafa. These people are the Djokovic 'fans' I was referring to. Maybe if I put "fans" in quotation marks, you'd get the point?

Cool. But I didn't ask you to do a roll call, did I?

You're welcome to make as many generalisations about Nadal fans as you like, until you run out of other ways of saying "you're most likely a menopausal single mother with nothing better to do with her time than watch a macho Spanish topspin ape move his massive a_s across dirt like a jack rabbit, just to feel what it is like to be in 'love' one last time and feel somewhat worthy". Everyone already does it, so what's stopping you? More importantly, even if you do decide to start, what makes you think I would be bothered by them? If it's so important not to (presumably) never make generalisations statements, where were you when Nadal fans are subjected to actually absolute statements (which, btw, is what you should be critiquing, not generalisations)?

Generalisations are exactly that: they're general. Irrespective what I may state about the Djokovic fanbase as a whole, ultimately, I said "many, if not most". I didn't say "every" or "all". You could've easily taken my comment to not include actual Djokovic fans like you since I was actually taking aim at the great wealth of ad hoc Djokovic fans, i.e. Fed fans who just want to see Rafa lose, but it looks like you aren't much more rational than obnoxious *******s who I was actually taking aim at. So before you go Judge Judy on me, I suggest you re-read what I said, until you realise I'm not going out my way to p_ss you off.



Omg,the bolded had me :lol: big time.

zagor
05-30-2012, 01:23 PM
There are *******s pretend to be a Nole fans. i.e. Lolville

You're making the same mistake, there's LOLville and that's it, there are no other Nadal fans (that I know of anyway) who do the same.

One poster from a certain fanbase doing something doesn't make it a trend.

zagor
05-30-2012, 01:28 PM
Spot on. I think "it seems" that there are many Novak fans when he is playing Rafa but many of them are honest that they simply care about Rafa losing. DFTW is the only one I can recollect who claimed to be a huge Nole fan but as soon as any Nole vs Fed discussion came up, all the praise for Nole would go down the gutter.

Exactly, DFTW definitely fit the description Phnx90 put forward (heck I remember arguing him about Novak's 2008 being a fluke) but he's just one poster that isn't even around anymore.

Most of the Fed fans who show up in Nadal match threads to root for his opponent and whine don't claim that they're Novak fans. You might see more of the Fed fans in Nadal-Novak match threads than in Nadal-xy player match threads but that's because they consider Novak to have the best chance to beat Nadal.

TMF
05-30-2012, 01:38 PM
Many Nadal fans root for Nole when he play Fed.

kragster
05-30-2012, 01:48 PM
"some Fed fans...root for Novak when he plays Nadal"? Since only some root against Rafa, you make it sound as though the rest want Rafa to win, which can't be further from the truth. Anyway I said "many if not most". There are loads of Fed fans on this forum, and many of the non-regulars do post on the match threads only. Not much of a stretch to say that many of these people take delight in Rafa losing to Djokovic, as Fed has over the years to Rafa. These people are the Djokovic 'fans' I was referring to. Maybe if I put "fans" in quotation marks, you'd get the point?

Cool. But I didn't ask you to do a roll call, did I?

You're welcome to make as many generalisations about Nadal fans as you like, until you run out of other ways of saying "you're most likely a menopausal single mother with nothing better to do with her time than watch a macho Spanish topspin ape move his massive a_s across dirt like a jack rabbit, just to feel what it is like to be in 'love' one last time and feel somewhat worthy". Everyone already does it, so what's stopping you? More importantly, even if you do decide to start, what makes you think I would be bothered by them? If it's so important not to (presumably) never make generalisations statements, where were you when Nadal fans are subjected to actually absolute statements (which, btw, is what you should be critiquing, not generalisations)?

Generalisations are exactly that: they're general. Irrespective what I may state about the Djokovic fanbase as a whole, ultimately, I said "many, if not most". I didn't say "every" or "all". You could've easily taken my comment to not include actual Djokovic fans like you since I was actually taking aim at the great wealth of ad hoc Djokovic fans, i.e. Fed fans who just want to see Rafa lose, but it looks like you aren't much more rational than obnoxious *******s who I was actually taking aim at. So before you go Judge Judy on me, I suggest you re-read what I said, until you realise I'm not going out my way to p_ss you off.

Not sure why you're getting worked up dude. As a fellow Rafa fan (and Nole fan) I can certainly attest that Zag is one of the most rational posters out here. I don't like the Nadal hate any more than you do but if we take what you said verbatim "many, if not most" is quite different from just "many". There are thousands of fans on this forum so it is safe to say that there are MANY *******s (Or *******s for that matter). But MOST implies a majority % which is something that is likely not true or supported by data. In fact the majority of fans on this forum probably average less than 1 post a day.

In the end I don't see how generalization can make anything better. Yes lots of people do it but that doesn't make it right. I think of you as one of the most rational posters on this forum so I hold you to a higher standard than a Monfed or *** or Murrayfan31.

Towser83
05-30-2012, 03:28 PM
Against Nadal he did,but this is a slam and not some meaningless lead up tournament. Rolaids shows up for the slams,and he has played better at RG than he did in MC or Rome.


Yep. If you think Nadal would have beaten a non-zombiefied Rolaids in either of those finals you're just delusional. Nadal played like crap,and Rolaids just beat himself.


I still don't know why you keep insisting Nadal is playing well. You must be watching a different player because the one I have been watching can't serve to save his a**,has no backhand,is a mental midget,and is playing from the stands he is so far back. I would love for you to explain to me just how you think that kind of tennis is going to beat Rolaids,who has won 4 out of the last 5 slams?

Djokovic has been patchy all year. Course you wouldn't see it because you're obsessed with nadal. I believe if he made one unforced error and hit 90 winners you'd still go on about the unforced error like it proved he was playing crap :lol:

And I never said Nadal was playing great, in Rome he didn't have to play any better than decent to beat Djokovic. But here's the thing, if you win, you win. Doesn't matter if the other guy made it easier by playing terrible, a win is a win. And Nadal in his worst form will still win 90% of his matches on clay. You will claim he will lose before the semis and all that crap but it's been proved time and time again that he wins most matches no matter what form he's in. This year he won 2 masters and barca without losing a set while he was apparenty terrible according to you. So that basically proves even in terrible form he's almost unbeatable on clay. If Djokovic doesn't play well nadal will grind him down.

His terrible tennis beat novak in 2 masters without losing a set, it also almost beat him in Australia. Who cares that novak has won 4 of the last 5 slams? going into Wimbledon last year Nadal had won 4 of the last 5 slams. Things change, momentums switch. And it has been proved that Djokovic is not curently playing well enough to beat Nadal.

What does nadal actually have to win for you to admit that he is not some vast underdog? What titles would he have to claim for you to admit he was the favouite or at least one of the favourites?

myl0rd
05-30-2012, 11:22 PM
Many Nadal fans root for Nole when he play Fed.

I'm surprised by this considering I would never root for Novak, especially against Feds. :-?

phnx90
05-31-2012, 07:31 AM
Again, those Fed fans would root for Nicholas Almagro or Janko Tipsarevic if he played Nadal, they don't make an effort to pass off as Novak fans, they just openly hate/dislike Nadal and Novak is the player that has beaten Nadal the most times so they often show up in Nadal-Novak match threads hoping that Nadal's gonna lose again.

I mean following your logic, we should consider all Nadal fans that rooted for Fed in Fed-Novak FO SF last year to be phonies that have tried to pass off themselves as Fed fans.

Not directly no, but you made a claim that "many if not most Novak fans on this forum are *******s who don't care about Novak".

As I said I find that claim to be wrong as I can name most Novak fans on this forum and the vast majority of them doesn't fit that description.
As I conceded in my earlier post, you would make much more sense of my original post had I put "fans" in quotation marks, which I managed to forget at the time of posting.

Let me explain rather loosely (and wordily) by starting with this: there aren't that many real Djokovic fans (in the traditional sense of the term), for one reason or another, but plenty of supporters who do absolutely love the guy whenever he plays (and beats) Nadal. It's these people I'm actually referring to, and yes, DFTW is the definitive example of this, although s/he isn't the only one.

...and like I said, I did say "many, if not most". That loosely means "many or most", not "many and most" or "all" or "every". If "most" doesn't fit the bill (as is the case here, according to you), then sure, I mean "many". There really are many Djokovic supporters who act like his fans, who actually don't like him at all, because they're actually fans of Fed, or just plain hate Nadal, because you know, it's apparently the "right", "moral", "natural", "purist" thing to do.

But anyway, at this point only Djokovic has a realistic chance of beating Nadal anywhere, which is why I'm singling out Djokovic. Sure, Fed fans may support Berdych or Ferrer or Murray when they're facing Rafa, but they do tend to count on Djokovic to beat Rafa, and that's the difference. Would these people be considered fans? Maybe, or maybe not; the definition of "fan" is unclear on this point. Regardless, there has been a lot of admiration/appreciation and support for Djokovic, irrespective of whether they claim to be Djokovic fans or not (who announces their allegiance before they post anyway? We tend to guess and/or pre/assume these things), curiously from Federer fans (seeing how RG 2011 is the exception rather than the rule, and that Djokovic is about to break Federer's records should Djokovic win RG this year).

Futhermore, despite the fact that he has far fewer fans than do Rafa and Federer overall, Djokovic is nonetheless more favourably-viewed, generally on this forum than is Nadal. This forum is extremely polarised when it comes down to Nadal, so when he and Djokovic meet, then it's almost only Nadal fans who root for Nadal; Fed fans, Nadal haters and Djokovic fans combined all support Djokovic. Again, do these people qualify as fans? A "fan" is defined merely a person who has admiration or support for a thing/person. So depending on how narrowly or how broadly you decide to interpret that definition, Djokovic can have loads of fans, or next to none. I've interpreted it rather broadly; at least, more broadly than you have. That may well be where our chief differences lie, so if you agree on this point, then we can let things be for this.

Nah, I don't really like making them all that often though I am guilty of doing it occasionally (usually when baited by some troll or similar).
Well, like I said, you're welcome do as you please when it comes to generalisations. However, do know that they aren't inherently a bad or good thing. It depends on how, when or why it is used.

Take this (commonly used) example, for instance:

Most criminals are black
All black people are criminals

Supposing that for statement 1, there has been a demographic of prison populations in a country, which indicates that more than 50% of inmates are black. Statement 1 then, whilst a generalisation, isn't actually wrong, nor should it be construed as rude or racist. Statement 2 on the other hand, is a gross, unfounded generalisation and a racist one at that too.
Eh, why should I care whether people generalize about Nadal fans or not? I'm not a Nadal fan and don't particulary care for his fanbase.
You said that if you made generalisations about Nadal fans, it wouldn't sit at all well with me. I'm telling you that I really don't care, since plenty of people here already do it.

I've taken your comment in the way that you presented it. You claimed Novak's fanbase on this forum is largely (or even entirely) consisted of *******s, a statement which I find to be completely off base.
For the last time, I said "many, if not most". That means "many or most". When did "many, if not most" ever mean "largely" alone? And since when did I ever even suggest "entirely"?

In other words, you've taken my comment and read it in a way you thought I presented it, which I've already indicated wasn't correct. I tend to think a fair bit when I'm wording my posts, and do recall choosing that phrase "many, if not most" specifically because I wanted to mean a large number, but wasn't sure if it was an actual majority, even if it, at times, felt that way.

What you could've done was simply correct me on that part and say that it's definitely "many" rather than "most", rather than come out, rhetoric guns blazing.

There's nothing to re-read, your statement was perfectly clear and didn't really leave room for some different interpretation.
Oh, you mean that I'm wrong about what my own sentence--that I put together--means, but you, who could be reading the said sentence incorrectly as writing doesn't convey intonation or intent well at all, are 100% right? Please, like I said, calm down and think it through. You even managed to interpret "many, if not most" as "largely (or even entirely)", leading me to think even more that you haven't, aren't or unwilling to read what I've written, at face value.
Omg,the bolded had me :lol: big time.
I know, I laughed at it myself when I was writing it :D
Not sure why you're getting worked up dude. As a fellow Rafa fan (and Nole fan) I can certainly attest that Zag is one of the most rational posters out here. I don't like the Nadal hate any more than you do but if we take what you said verbatim "many, if not most" is quite different from just "many". There are thousands of fans on this forum so it is safe to say that there are MANY *******s (Or *******s for that matter). But MOST implies a majority % which is something that is likely not true or supported by data. In fact the majority of fans on this forum probably average less than 1 post a day.
There is absolutely nothing I can disagree with here, although I don't pay attention to particular posters enough to form opinions about particular posters (I was never any good with names). Yes, "many, if not most" IS quite different to "many": as I've stated it means "many or most". If "most" isn't right, then I mean "many". At no point did I say it was concretely "most", and, if you read what I said earlier in this very post, I've explained my rationale for choosing those words (wanted to show quantity; feels like "most", but figured it could be too strong, etc.). That's why I used both, for others to choose on my behalf. Zagor, on the other hand, decided to interpret "many, if not most" as:largely (or even entirely) Seriously??

In the end I don't see how generalization can make anything better. Yes lots of people do it but that doesn't make it right.
As I explained earlier, generalisations are linguistic tools; they're neutral and only become good or bad things depending on context. They can make things better because sometimes it's not worth the effort being specific. Only in the realm of political-correctness (which shouldn't be confused with politeness) are generalisations always wrong (which in itself is immensely paradoxical).
I think of you as one of the most rational posters on this forum so I hold you to a higher standard than a Monfed or *** or Murrayfan31.
Thank you for the glowing compliments; I do hope that in further explaining the situation here, and what I meant in my original post, that your opinion doesn't change. :D
I'm surprised by this considering I would never root for Novak, especially against Feds. :-?
Yeah, I think he may have gotten confused; Rafa fans would never root for Novak, especially in light of recent events. Only nadal_slam_king does, and even then it's probably because supporting Novak as a Nadal fan is off the troll value charts, more than anything else.

ashitaka2010
05-31-2012, 07:48 AM
Because, right now, Nadal is playing like RG 2008.

zagor
05-31-2012, 10:43 AM
As I conceded in my earlier post, you would make much more sense of my original post had I put "fans" in quotation marks, which I managed to forget at the time of posting.

You mean you would make much more sense? As it is, it seems you attacked entirety of Novak's fanbase instead of merely focusing on those supposed fake Novak fans who are according to you so high in number.

Let me explain rather loosely (and wordily) by starting with this: there aren't that many real Djokovic fans (in the traditional sense of the term), for one reason or another, but plenty of supporters who do absolutely love the guy whenever he plays (and beats) Nadal.

Once again there are a number of Fed fans who show up in Nadal match threads and root for whomever he plays against, if a high # of those Fed fans claimed (or in any other way suggested) they're fans of Novak you'd have a point but as it is, you can only name poster who fits such description (heck one could say that officially he isn't even a poster here anymore as he's banned) yet you act like there's a legion of Fed fans with Novak avatars/usernames who claim they're his fans while in reality don't give a crap about him (when he doesn't play Nadal). You do realize that imaginary posters in your head don't count?

It's these people I'm actually referring to, and yes, DFTW is the definitive example of this, although s/he isn't the only one.

That's great, given that it's such a large scale phenomena that it prompted you to make a claim that "many if not most Novak fans here are Fedtars" you should have zero problems naming other examples.

...and like I said, I did say "many, if not most". That loosely means "many or most", not "many and most" or "all" or "every". If "most" doesn't fit the bill (as is the case here, according to you), then sure, I mean "many".

Fine, my English isn't that good, occasionally I misinterpret and/or overlook some words's meaning.

Regardless I disagree even in the case of "many if not most".

There really are many Djokovic supporters who act like his fans, who actually don't like him at all, because they're actually fans of Fed...

No, there really aren't. There are plenty of Fed fans who root for Novak when he plays Nadal but they don't act like they're his fans.

There was DFTW of course but he was just one poster.

...or just plain hate Nadal, because you know, it's apparently the "right", "moral", "natural", "purist" thing to do.

Yeah, yeah I feel your pain.

But anyway, at this point only Djokovic has a realistic chance of beating Nadal anywhere, which is why I'm singling out Djokovic. Sure, Fed fans may support Berdych or Ferrer or Murray when they're facing Rafa, but they do tend to count on Djokovic to beat Rafa, and that's the difference. Would these people be considered fans? Maybe, or maybe not; the definition of "fan" is unclear on this point.

It's unclear to you, it's perfectly clear to me.


Regardless, there has been a lot of admiration/appreciation and support for Djokovic, irrespective of whether they claim to be Djokovic fans or not...

Yeah many Fed fans are happy someone is beating Nadal constantly, some people maybe just appreciated someone stepping up and breaking the Fedal duopoly, some are Novak fans who are happy for his success.

It still doesn't make your initial claim any stronger.

(who announces their allegiance before they post anyway? We tend to guess and/or pre/assume these things)

There are various ways to tell but most people here announce their allegiance directly at one point or another.


curiously from Federer fans...

Who are happy someone is beating Nadal on the big stages, so?

Futhermore, despite the fact that he has far fewer fans than do Rafa and Federer overall, Djokovic is nonetheless more favourably-viewed, generally on this forum than is Nadal.

Nadal does have more haters but more fans as well, it sort of comes with the territory, Nadal is still the bigger name in tennis (and probably always will be).

This forum is extremely polarised when it comes down to Nadal, so when he and Djokovic meet, then it's almost only Nadal fans who root for Nadal; Fed fans, Nadal haters and Djokovic fans combined all support Djokovic. Again, do these people qualify as fans?

So do all the people who rooted for Federer in 2011 FO SF count as Fed fans?

A "fan" is defined merely a person who has admiration or support for a thing/person. So depending on how narrowly or how broadly you decide to interpret that definition, Djokovic can have loads of fans, or next to none. I've interpreted it rather broadly; at least, more broadly than you have. That may well be where our chief differences lie, so if you agree on this point, then we can let things be for this.

Yeah, your interpretation is that everyone who roots for Novak when he plays Nadal is a Novak fan regardless of whether that poster roots against Nadal in every other match he plays and whether said poster never made a claim or even suggested he's a fan of anyone but Federer.

Let's just say I think your interpretation sucks.

You said that if you made generalisations about Nadal fans, it wouldn't sit at all well with me. I'm telling you that I really don't care, since plenty of people here already do it.

That's great to know.

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Right, I got it, I didn't correctly interpret what you said but I strongly disagree even with the correct meaning of the initial claim you made in this thread.

Please, like I said, calm down and think it through.

This is rich, coming from a butthurt Nadal fanboy who waltzed into a pretty benign (and actually somewhat interesting) thread to make a sweeping generalization about what is overall probably the most "normal" fanbase around here (along with Murray's fanbase), largely consisting of posters who have been Novak fans here even in 2009/2010 when he was losing almost every big match to Fedal.

Please, take off your Nadal fanboy glasses once in a while when you're browsing the forum, maybe it won't seem all that clear-cut, black and white to you.

firepanda
05-31-2012, 07:35 PM
@phnx and zagor, you don't expect us to this do you? Because I'm not. And stop being mean to Nadal and his fans. I've become increasingly Nadal-oriented spending time on TW. There's an awful lot of hate.

Evan77
05-31-2012, 07:51 PM
@phnx and zagor, you don't expect us to this do you? Because I'm not. And stop being mean to Nadal and his fans. I've become increasingly Nadal-oriented spending time on TW. There's an awful lot of hate.
that's because Nadal is silly ... now people, could you please stop quoting one another like forever ... my eyes simply hurt

3fees
05-31-2012, 08:46 PM
I have mentioned it,,it seems very few peeps understand he won the AO-2012 and won 3 slams in 2011,thats 4 out 5 in 2011-12-so far,,Nole certaintly wants to win 2012 Roland- Garros, Paris ,France-aka French Open, heres a triva fact for those who like ,the Louvre, if you spend a few minutes at each exhibit at the Louvre it will take some 80 years to see them all,,I have been there and with a running buddy and spent two full days and nights going thru this massive museum, in a hurry. each exhibit a short glimpse and on too the next.

Cheers
3fees :)

phnx90
06-01-2012, 10:16 AM
@phnx and zagor, you don't expect us to this do you? Because I'm not. And stop being mean to Nadal and his fans. I've become increasingly Nadal-oriented spending time on TW. There's an awful lot of hate.
Not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing you're saying "shush, both of you" in a nice way.

Yeah, okay, I'll just leave that there. Doesn't look like zagor gets what I mean anyway.

marc45
06-01-2012, 12:19 PM
Rolaids will win it,and in 2 weeks you will get to see for yourself.

And WHO CARES that Rolaids lost to Nadal in MC and Rome? It means absolutely nothing,and won't stop him from winning RG.rolaids genius, do you have nickname for that piece of s--t from mallorca?

marc45
06-01-2012, 12:21 PM
Yeah,just like he played so much better all through Wimby last year,but still beat Nadal in the final right? Or even before that,where Nadal played better than he did throughout most of the clay season,but Rolaids still beat him the Rome and Madrid finals right? For the last time,how these two are playing up until they face each other means jack. Nadal still loses no matter if he's played the better of the two or not.


No he hasn't. Nadal has not beaten Rolaids in a slam in 2 years. He has lost 7 finals to him,3 of them in slams,yet you think 2 meaningless wins in MC and Rome is suddenly going to fix mental destruction like that? Get real.


Nadal won't win sh*t,so there will be nothing to drop.



Again,totally meaningless,and won't matter whatsoever in the slams.



Nadal is not going to win,and I am not doing any sort of jinxing rubbish. Nadal hasn't won anything that really matters in a year. He is not about to start now,especially if he makes the final to face Rolaids.

"i'm not doing any jinxing rubish", line of the year, decade?

marc45
06-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Doesn't matter. He had more ue's,less winners,and served poorly. He played worse than Rolaids did by a mile.rolaids, hemorrhoids...jesus had them, limited his low volley

Wolfman Jack
06-01-2012, 12:32 PM
rolaids genius, do you have nickname for that piece of s--t from mallorca?
No, but I have a nickname for that piece of s--t from Youngstown Ohio. I like to call it marc45.

BTW, you have to be a pretty big piece of s--t to stand out in Youngstown Ohio. The crime rate is horrible (worse than 98% of all American cities?) You're kidding me? You can't even go out to rob a bank in Youngstown without getting mugged LOL

Clarky21
06-01-2012, 12:52 PM
No, but I have a nickname for that piece of s--t from Youngstown Ohio. I like to call it marc45.

BTW, you have to be a pretty big piece of s--t to stand out in Youngstown Ohio. The crime rate is horrible (worse than 98% of all American cities?) You're kidding me? You can't even go out to rob a bank in Youngstown without getting mugged LOL


:lol:


10Stalker45s

Underhand
06-01-2012, 01:14 PM
I hate Đoković and proud of it.™

Sid_Vicious
06-01-2012, 01:15 PM
I hate Đoković and proud of it.

Welcome back, Underhand.

We missed you on TT. :)

underground
06-01-2012, 03:10 PM
OP got the concept wrong. A Nole slam refers to Novak Djokovic losing in 4 finals in a row to the same guy. Currently only the Rafa slam can be done.