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Jack Romeo
05-31-2012, 07:26 PM
Just read in Jon Wertheim's SI.com mailbag column that he heard from a supposed source that Serena had actually not been training hard recently and had gained "significant weight" since Charleston.

I'm not so sure I believe all of this because Serena doesn't wear loose/baggy clothing so if she did gain "significant weight" it would show. She has the body type that quickly manifests any such changes in her weight. For the record, I also think that Petra Kvitova may have gained weight recently and doesn't seem to be in peak physical condition as well (although her case may be related to not being able to train due to illness and injuries).

The part about Serena not being in condition is more believable. If she didn't train the way people thought she was, then it's not surprising that her form would fluctuate. The fact that she was on a clay court winning streak and beat the top 2 players along the way handily speaks to (1) her talent, (2) momentum, and (3) the fact that her game matched up well against both maria and vika on a court that favored her game. The factor about being injured in Rome could be ignored. Serena did say after the Razzano match that she didn't feel anything physically and was 100% healthy. But being healthy and injury-free is different from being in top condition. So if she really wasn't in peak condition, it shouldn't be surprising that she was on a winning streak and it was finally snapped, because, then, it would just be a matter of time.

Sentinel
05-31-2012, 08:54 PM
Gained weight ? Wasn't she on some raw food diet due to Venus' ailment/syndrome (acco to another thread).

tusharlovesrafa
05-31-2012, 09:08 PM
Gained weight ? Wasn't she on some raw food diet due to Venus' ailment/syndrome (acco to another thread).

hey senti.I am going to Mumbai today,gonna miss you all..byee..:(..I may not be able to follow rg..:(..But who cares,Rafa is going to win anyhow.

sureshs
05-31-2012, 09:31 PM
hey senti.I am going to Mumbai today,gonna miss you all..byee..:(..I may not be able to follow rg..:(..But who cares,Rafa is going to win anyhow.

Internet is everywhere

tusharlovesrafa
05-31-2012, 09:37 PM
Internet is everywhere

My laptop isn't going with me,in addition to that,both of my maternal grandparents are unwell,so my priorities will be different over there..Oh yeah!!I can watch it on t.v over there.But i am eagerly waiting for the train journey,i just love traveling in trains,always did since my childhood.24 hours in train would be pretty hectic as well as enjoyable.:)

Jack Romeo
05-31-2012, 10:18 PM
Gained weight ? Wasn't she on some raw food diet due to Venus' ailment/syndrome (acco to another thread).

she did say that didn't she. like i said, if she did gain weight, it would be obvious because of her body type and the clothes she wears. so i don't believe this as well. but i can believe the thing about not training properly.

Sentinel
05-31-2012, 10:33 PM
Not sure about Serena not training, since i've not been following her matches. I only got to see the Serena match after i saw the livescore saying 5-1 in the TB. If she could get to 5-1 in the second, she should have been fit.

I got the feeling she just didn't want to go further, was just trolling or something, altho' that sounds absurd since this is a Slam.

My laptop isn't going with me,in addition to that,both of my maternal grandparents are unwell,so my priorities will be different over there..Oh yeah!!I can watch it on t.v over there.But i am eagerly waiting for the train journey,i just love traveling in trains,always did since my childhood.24 hours in train would be pretty hectic as well as enjoyable.:)
Lolling at how you can turn any thread into a personal discussion one. We should have a permanent Tushy News thread in O&E!

Hope your grandparents do well. Is Bombay 24 hours for you, its only a night from Delhi (iirc). A lot shorter than Chennai where I used to go often.

christo
05-31-2012, 10:43 PM
watching Serena reminded me of one of the Elephant ballerinas in Disney's Fantasia

SwankPeRFection
05-31-2012, 10:45 PM
Gained weight ? Wasn't she on some raw food diet due to Venus' ailment/syndrome (acco to another thread).

Nope, she was on a saw food diet. lol

rommil
06-01-2012, 12:23 AM
Nope, she was on a saw food diet. lol

You mean see food diet? :)

jokinla
06-01-2012, 01:34 AM
Internet is everywhere

BAHAHAHAHA

jokinla
06-01-2012, 01:35 AM
Her *** is looking gigantic.

struggle
06-01-2012, 01:40 AM
Her *** is looking gigantic.

you've always been able to set a beer on it, much like many world class sprinters.

jones101
06-01-2012, 02:41 AM
Just read in Jon Wertheim's SI.com mailbag column that he heard from a supposed source that Serena had actually not been training hard recently and had gained "significant weight" since Charleston.

Serena lost, and I dont think it was due to being unfit. How could she not train hard and then go on a pre RG undefeated CC streak. She must have been very motivated for the FO.

Also found this little article, which suggests she has been getting fitter, if anything:

''Serenaís minty green dress, complete with colour coordinated headband to contain her big-ish barnet.

Fascinatingly, Lindsay Davenport revealed that a Nike rep told her in Miami that she had to take in Serenaís kit 1.5 inches. Thatís how much fitter she was compared to Melbourne. Didnít help her though, did it.''

http://www.thetennisspace.com/on-court/notes-from-roland-garros-day-three/

Jack Romeo
06-01-2012, 03:23 AM
Serena lost, and I dont think it was due to being unfit. How could she not train hard and then go on a pre RG undefeated CC streak. She must have been very motivated for the FO.

Also found this little article, which suggests she has been getting fitter, if anything:

''Serenaís minty green dress, complete with colour coordinated headband to contain her big-ish barnet.

Fascinatingly, Lindsay Davenport revealed that a Nike rep told her in Miami that she had to take in Serenaís kit 1.5 inches. Thatís how much fitter she was compared to Melbourne. Didnít help her though, did it.''

http://www.thetennisspace.com/on-court/notes-from-roland-garros-day-three/

Wertheim also said that before Serena lost. Then he says there was some informant saying Serena didn't train properly and gained weight after Serena lost. So either someone isn't telling the truth or there's a lot of miscommunication going on among his circles. Maybe Wertheim just doesn't listen well. :-P

dominikk1985
06-01-2012, 04:06 AM
I think serena is still a big fighter in matches but she doesn't like to train anymore. I think she expressed that she hates the training.

no wonder if you are forced to train since age 5 by your dad...

being a girl that gains weight easily this makes her really bloat up.


2002
http://www.functionx.com/people/swilliams/swilliams2.gif

2012
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/13/34/67/3001842/3/628x471.jpg

tusharlovesrafa
06-01-2012, 04:18 AM
Not sure about Serena not training, since i've not been following her matches. I only got to see the Serena match after i saw the livescore saying 5-1 in the TB. If she could get to 5-1 in the second, she should have been fit.

I got the feeling she just didn't want to go further, was just trolling or something, altho' that sounds absurd since this is a Slam.


Lolling at how you can turn any thread into a personal discussion one. We should have a permanent Tushy News thread in O&E!

Hope your grandparents do well. Is Bombay 24 hours for you, its only a night from Delhi (iirc). A lot shorter than Chennai where I used to go often.

this is my last msg for now..lol..senti!! it takes nearly 24 hours from train to travel from delhi to mumbai, the shortest time is taken by rajdhani,which takes nearly 18 hours.

Jack Romeo
06-01-2012, 04:36 AM
I think serena is still a big fighter in matches but she doesn't like to train anymore. I think she expressed that she hates the training.

no wonder if you are forced to train since age 5 by your dad...

being a girl that gains weight easily this makes her really bloat up.


2002
http://www.functionx.com/people/swilliams/swilliams2.gif

2012
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/13/34/67/3001842/3/628x471.jpg

so she gained weight noticeably over the last 10 years. but that is something to be expected with most people, since she was only 20 then and she is 30 now. however, i do think that she was even bigger in late 2006-early 2007, even when she won the australian open that time. on the other hand, the issue being discussed was more about her supposed weight gain in the last 2-3 months, allegedly due to lack of training as per the rumor being floated around.

DRII
06-01-2012, 05:14 AM
I think Serena's foot/ankle is still an issue and she can only go so many matches before it starts acting up...

zagor
06-01-2012, 06:17 AM
I think Serena's foot/ankle is still an issue and she can only go so many matches before it starts acting up...

I don't think it's just about physical issues when it comes to Serena (though no doubt the wear and tear is catching up with her, she's gonna turn 31 this year), IMO she's also mentally a bit burnt out.

Serena used to be absolute money on big points before while the manner in which she lost to Razzano was more befitting some mentally weak headcase(which WTA is full of) then a strong minded champion Serena is known to be.

pmerk34
06-01-2012, 06:26 AM
so she gained weight noticeably over the last 10 years. but that is something to be expected with most people, since she was only 20 then and she is 30 now. however, i do think that she was even bigger in late 2006-early 2007, even when she won the australian open that time. on the other hand, the issue being discussed was more about her supposed weight gain in the last 2-3 months, allegedly due to lack of training as per the rumor being floated around.

Venus always seems to look the same. Same family and different metabolism

dominikk1985
06-01-2012, 07:01 AM
so she gained weight noticeably over the last 10 years. but that is something to be expected with most people, since she was only 20 then and she is 30 now. however, i do think that she was even bigger in late 2006-early 2007, even when she won the australian open that time. on the other hand, the issue being discussed was more about her supposed weight gain in the last 2-3 months, allegedly due to lack of training as per the rumor being floated around.

she was big then but I think it used to be more muscle mass and less fat. she is still muscular but also a lot of fat now.

Jack Romeo
06-01-2012, 07:38 AM
Venus always seems to look the same. Same family and different metabolism

Their parents are both fat, and so are most of their sisters. Serena is muscular but more prone to get fat. Venus is just naturally lean.

she was big then but I think it used to be more muscle mass and less fat. she is still muscular but also a lot of fat now.

Back in 2006-7 she seemed to have even more fat over her muscle mass. That's why people kept saying she was slightly overweight when she won the Australian Open in 07.

Today, I don't detect any apparent weight gain in the past 2-3 months, which is what the rumor was saying.

rommil
06-01-2012, 07:43 AM
Venus always seems to look the same. Same family and different metabolism

Serena is faster than Venus getting to the dinner table:)

jones101
06-01-2012, 07:43 AM
so she gained weight noticeably over the last 10 years. but that is something to be expected with most people, since she was only 20 then and she is 30 now. however, i do think that she was even bigger in late 2006-early 2007, even when she won the australian open that time. on the other hand, the issue being discussed was more about her supposed weight gain in the last 2-3 months, allegedly due to lack of training as per the rumor being floated around.

She was.

Serena 2006/2007

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-01/17/xin_49010317091244314851.jpg
http://www.treml.co.nz/images/gallery/sports_earth/Williams-270107-04.JPG

Recent Serena

http://www.glitterazi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nike-tennis-french-open-2012-collection-serena-williams-01-850x606-e1338318459391.jpg

spiderman123
06-01-2012, 08:14 AM
Lolling at how you can turn any thread into a personal discussion one. We should have a permanent Tushy News thread in O&E!

Hope your grandparents do well. Is Bombay 24 hours for you, its only a night from Delhi (iirc). A lot shorter than Chennai where I used to go often.

Bombay is about 14-16 hrs from Delhi using the fastest train IIRC. Tushar probably is traveling by a passenger train. They had the option of Rajdhani but people on both sides (source and destination) agreed it would be awesome to keep him incommunicado for a day. They have taken his laptop and his phone as well.

DRII
06-01-2012, 08:31 AM
Their parents are both fat, and so are most of their sisters. Serena is muscular but more prone to get fat. Venus is just naturally lean.

Richard Williams is not naturally fat or thick but rather lean and long. Of course he's old now and has gained weight, but all of his fat is in the form of a pot belly. Venus obviously takes after her father.

Oracene on the other hand is naturally thick and looks as if she can gain weight quite easily. Serena is much more like her mother...

PetSounds
06-01-2012, 09:11 AM
You mean WTA players can't be fat and win majors anymore? The horror...

TennisCJC
06-01-2012, 10:46 AM
Significant weight gain did show at the French. Her new nike skirt barely covered all the junk in the trunk. Seriously, several times her junk was totally exposed.

jokinla
06-01-2012, 11:18 AM
you've always been able to set a beer on it, much like many world class sprinters.

You could set a keg of beer on it.

jakemcclain32
06-01-2012, 11:35 AM
Serena may hate the tennis, but she loves winning.

From her tennis to her businesses, she's a high level competitive freak. When she retires, she won't be resting on her laurels.

decades
06-01-2012, 11:50 AM
how could you have a rumored weight gain? you either see it or you don't. in this case she looks fine. certainly not near as heavy when she had her devastating championship run at the AO a few years ago.

Wolfman Jack
06-01-2012, 12:37 PM
Gained weight ? Wasn't she on some raw food diet due to Venus' ailment/syndrome (acco to another thread).
Must be the same raw diet Chef Prudhomme is (the raw baby buffalo diet.)

Jack Romeo
06-01-2012, 12:51 PM
btw, she and bob lost in the mixed as well

10is
06-01-2012, 02:35 PM
Ehhh... Wertheim is a fanboy who is going to go to whatever lengths to keep perpetuating the myth of "Serena the Indomitable".

chandler bing
06-02-2012, 03:30 AM
You mean WTA players can't be fat and win majors anymore? The horror...

I think Serena plays better when she is carrying some extra weight. She knows she can't afford to rally and goes for her shots more.

halalula1234
06-02-2012, 04:18 AM
Serena should never wear that horrible mint colour outfit again..

she wore it at Aus open 06 and look what happend.
now she wore it here!

Nostradamus
06-02-2012, 04:31 AM
Gained weight ? Wasn't she on some raw food diet due to Venus' ailment/syndrome (acco to another thread).

she is getting old and gaining weight is a natural process of aging if you didn't know.

Marius_Hancu
06-02-2012, 04:45 AM
Just read in Jon Wertheim's SI.com mailbag column that he heard from a supposed source that Serena ... had gained "significant weight" since Charleston.

Nothiing significant. She looked very well to me lately. It's other issues.

sureshs
06-02-2012, 05:52 AM
Serena lost a match after being ahead in the second set and about to win.

It is part of tennis.

Why the big uproar?

Sentinel
06-02-2012, 06:39 AM
she is getting old and gaining weight is a natural process of aging if you didn't know.
LOL. I am aging and losing weight. I might vanish by next year. Get your facts straight.

Sentinel
06-02-2012, 06:40 AM
Serena lost a match after being ahead in the second set and about to win.

It is part of tennis.

Why the big uproar?
Until now only Roger Federer has been able to achieve that. That's why.

Sentinel
06-03-2012, 02:04 AM
Whatever happened to the mixed doubles. She was ahead in the first set, iirc.
Bombay is about 14-16 hrs from Delhi using the fastest train IIRC. Tushar probably is traveling by a passenger train. They had the option of Rajdhani but people on both sides (source and destination) agreed it would be awesome to keep him incommunicado for a day. They have taken his laptop and his phone as well.
Lol, accidentally found this post. :D yeah, i once remember him saying he was posting from his phone.

JorgeLobo
06-03-2012, 06:10 AM
Serena is not know to "train hard" and don't see that her limited schedule should have had her "burnt out."
Performance at French looked like a product of limited commitment and talent blunted by age and no preparation. With her comment - doesn't love tennis - one wonders if she'll bother with the game.

dominikk1985
06-03-2012, 08:23 AM
she is getting old and gaining weight is a natural process of aging if you didn't know.

steffi graf is over 40 and she is not fat as many women in their 40s are. yeah it is harder to maintain weight as you get older but if you are disciplined you do not need to bloat up like that.

venus is older than serena and she is not fat.

cluckcluck
06-03-2012, 10:13 PM
Venus looks more like her farther, Richard. While Serena looks like her mother (oracean or something?). Clearly Serena takes after her mom, in both body type and looks...barf

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHHwap5U8BcZjdBmgFSqKNHC-Z34X7nbpqu_KruDKTxBgaHSYBFg

Wolfman Jack
06-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Venus looks more like her farther, Richard. While Serena looks like her mother (oracean or something?). Clearly Serena takes after her mom, in both body type and looks...barf

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHHwap5U8BcZjdBmgFSqKNHC-Z34X7nbpqu_KruDKTxBgaHSYBFg
Why is there such an irrational obsession with Serena's looks? I mean, who gives a crap, really? She has achieved far more in tennis than anybody in these forums ever will, WTA and all.

Personally I don't find Serena too attractive, but I consider her far more attractive than some of the eastern les.bos in the WTA. At least Serena dresses like a woman.

Let's talk about Stepanek. Now, that mug is a bona fide crime that should carry a heavy sentence.

big ted
06-03-2012, 11:55 PM
shes probably getting too old to be able to clock in and win without putting in the work that the others are doing. the other players are more focused and they want to win more than her. plus theyre motivated to get the big win over her while she has less motivation beating these younger players. another thing is she doesnt have a rival to push her like in the past (henin, venus, capriati, etc..) theres a different no1 every week on the wta, and the #1 player 6 months ago can easily be ranked 10, 20, or 50 (i.e. wozniacki, safina, ivanovic, etc..) now. plus i think she is getting too result oriented and putting too much pressure on herself. she cant handle losing (i.e. crying in the middle of a changeover??). i think roddick has that problem too lately thats why hes so cranky when he starts losing

jones101
06-04-2012, 12:07 AM
Serena has her busiest clay court prep in years and has played since end of March:

1. Miami
2. Charlston
3. Fed Cup
4. Madrid
5. Rome

She obviously put in the work to play those events, Davenport said her nike dresses had to be taken IN, so she obviously has lost some weight this year.

Serena was in shape, it was just a first round match, she was nervous, as she says she always is in the first round. She has always managed to Houdini her way out of trouble before, and laws of averages suggested she couldn't always do this.

I dont think the loss was due to a lack of training, just a bad mental and technical performance, coupled with Razzano taking the ball flat and early, and getting great angles.

Every champ has a bad loss as they get older.

Sampras has Bastil, Graf has McNeil, Serena had Razzano, simple as that.

pmerk34
06-04-2012, 05:49 AM
Why is there such an irrational obsession with Serena's looks? I mean, who gives a crap, really? She has achieved far more in tennis than anybody in these forums ever will, WTA and all.

Personally I don't find Serena too attractive, but I consider her far more attractive than some of the eastern les.bos in the WTA. At least Serena dresses like a woman.

Let's talk about Stepanek. Now, that mug is a bona fide crime that should carry a heavy sentence.

Kvitova looks like she is 3 mos along and she's the defending Wimbledon champion for Pete's sake and I couldn't tell you the first thing about her eating/training habits. Serena actually looked more in shape than she has in a good while.

TERRASTAR18
06-04-2012, 08:54 AM
steffi graf is over 40 and she is not fat as many women in their 40s are. yeah it is harder to maintain weight as you get older but if you are disciplined you do not need to bloat up like that.

venus is older than serena and she is not fat.

different body types....