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zanabel
05-31-2012, 07:49 PM
which pros should i watch to learn the best serve, forehand, backhand, nets, feetwork, smashing etc.?

i began tennis this year but people say i have mad potential, so best to use it by learning the right styles from pros.

kishnabe
05-31-2012, 08:51 PM
Federer for everything!~

zanabel
05-31-2012, 09:52 PM
Federer for everything!~

i do not know how to use my right hand..

pudelko
05-31-2012, 10:04 PM
i do not know how to use my right hand..

Then you must use Nadal as he is left handed :twisted:

zanabel
05-31-2012, 10:09 PM
Then you must use Nadal as he is left handed :twisted:

good idea! he always is in the big matches

Evan77
05-31-2012, 10:16 PM
i do not know how to use my right hand..

zan, just try to be yourself, use your instincts ... forget about Fed, Djoko or whoever ... you'll never be like them ... I've watched and played tennis for many years (I suck at playing tho, just a recreational thing)... you can watch as many tennis videos on u tube, you'll probably just get confused. follow your own path. don't try to copy anybody ... again be yourself ... Djoko and Roger are like 2 in billions

how well do you move? what's your level right now? there is a good site you can actually learn. it's ******* me off that I cant use the link, because TW is blocking it (let's try this again ... google 'tenn!s for you" great info there. I assume you are very young, and you can really learn from other guys there. I wish you luck.

jwjh
05-31-2012, 10:51 PM
i do not know how to use my right hand..

You do not need to be right handed to copy what right handers are doing. Just do everything in the opposite manner or just flip the video horizontally. If you really want a lefty to copy, go with Verdasco's strokes.

zanabel
06-01-2012, 01:23 AM
zan, just try to be yourself, use your instincts ... forget about Fed, Djoko or whoever ... you'll never be like them ... I've watched and played tennis for many years (I suck at playing tho, just a recreational thing)... you can watch as many tennis videos on u tube, you'll probably just get confused. follow your own path. don't try to copy anybody ... again be yourself ... Djoko and Roger are like 2 in billions

how well do you move? what's your level right now? there is a good site you can actually learn. it's ******* me off that I cant use the link, because TW is blocking it (let's try this again ... google 'tenn!s for you" great info there. I assume you are very young, and you can really learn from other guys there. I wish you luck.

my coach is giving me free lessons because i live next door to him so maybe i should just copy him i guess.

thanks! that site has 105 tennis drills, thanks for showing me that :D

zanabel
06-01-2012, 01:24 AM
You do not need to be right handed to copy what right handers are doing. Just do everything in the opposite manner or just flip the video horizontally. If you really want a lefty to copy, go with Verdasco's strokes.

i tried to flip the video but its impossible.

ok verdasco has clear shots, good :)

SystemicAnomaly
06-01-2012, 07:30 AM
As a lefty, I've had no problem learning from either righty or lefty coaches and models. Most lefties that I've come across have this ability -- very few problems learning from a righty. I'm surprised that you do. Just think of a righty model as a mirror image.

Don't think that I'd use Rafa as a model for the FH -- straight arm is not for everyone and he hits way too many reverse finishes for players trying to learn the game. However, if you want to develop a 2-handed BH, his is decent. I would also look at Safin and Nalbandian for the 2-hander. My next choices would include Murray, Djokovic and Agassi.

For the serve, look primarily at Federer. You can supplement this with Nadal and Verdasco as models to figure out the lefty mechanics.

For the forehand, take a look at Federer again. However, his straight-arm technique, like Nadals's, is not for most players. Other aspects of Roger's FH as a modle are great tho'. Take a look at Andre Agassi for a FH with a double bend and a compact backswing. You might go with a steeper forward swingpath for more topspin tho'.

Can't beat Federer for footwork -- very smooth, efficient and effective.

zanabel
06-01-2012, 07:38 AM
As a lefty, I've had no problem learning from either righty or lefty coaches and models. Most lefties that I've come across have this ability -- very few problems learning from a righty. I'm surprised that you do. Just think of a righty model as a mirror image.

Don't think that I'd use Rafa as a model for the FH -- straight arm is not for everyone and he hits way too many reverse finishes for players trying to learn the game. However, if you want to develop a 2-handed BH, his is decent. I would also look at Safin and Nalbandian for the 2-hander. My next choices would include Murray, Djokovic and Agassi.

For the serve, look primarily at Federer. You can supplement this with Nadal and Verdasco as models to figure out the lefty mechanics.

For the forehand, take a look at Federer again. However, his straight-arm technique, like Nadals's, is not for most players. Other aspects of Roger's FH as a modle are great tho'. Take a look at Andre Agassi for a FH with a double bend and a compact backswing. You might go with a steeper forward swingpath for more topspin tho'.

Can't beat Federer for footwork -- very smooth, efficient and effective.

Yep I like the 2 hands, Nadal or Agassi probably. They both take lots of small footsteps too which I like :)

Funbun
06-01-2012, 08:11 AM
I personally copied all aspects of technique from Murray, I'm a lefty.

I find Murray's technique extremely basic, and thus easy to model after. I'm also surprised you have trouble copying or learning from righties. If it helps, you can also mirror-image youtube videos through free video-editing software.

However, for the serve, I'm certain you should try for Federer. He has a very efficient, clean looking serve out of other people on the tour.

OddJack
06-01-2012, 08:13 AM
If you have talent I recommend Rodge, If you have a good head on your shoulders but not muscular I recommend Simon. If you have muscle only I recommend Nadal and then hire a head to sit on the courtside.

zanabel
06-01-2012, 08:18 AM
I personally copied all aspects of technique from Murray, I'm a lefty.

I find Murray's technique extremely basic, and thus easy to model after. I'm also surprised you have trouble copying or learning from righties. If it helps, you can also mirror-image youtube videos through free video-editing software.

However, for the serve, I'm certain you should try for Federer. He has a very efficient, clean looking serve out of other people on the tour.

me too i like murray serve the most so i might try the video editing software :)

muddlehead
06-01-2012, 08:18 AM
right handed serve michael stich

zanabel
06-01-2012, 08:20 AM
If you have talent I recommend Rodge, If you have a good head on your shoulders but not muscular I recommend Simon. If you have muscle only I recommend Nadal and then hire a head to sit on the courtside.

only thing i dont like is federer keeps hitting it out of bounds when i see him play and i hate when i do that so maybe he has the same problems as me :(

zanabel
06-01-2012, 08:21 AM
right handed serve michael stich

i have not seen michael stich but i only just joined tennis.

Gangsta
06-01-2012, 08:58 AM
To each his own. Although, I will never understand people that advice you not to copy pros and develop your own game. It sounds great, but when you are in such awe of these guys, it becomes difficult to take some shots out of your mind. I still remember how I watched the Australian Open a few years ago, then went on court that evening and tried to serve exactly like Tsonga.

Personally, my forehand is modeled (if that is a better word for copy) on Berdych - his forehand is probably not as good as Del Potro's, let alone the great Federer, but it suits my game since I do not have Federer's insane ability to get into correct position before almost every single shot. For the backhand, I modelled mine on Federer's - I have a 1HBH and it is but a tiny lot to choose from. My serve is all Agassi - yup, you guessed it. I am a poor poor serve. LOL

Evan77
06-01-2012, 09:16 AM
To each his own. Although, I will never understand people that advice you not to copy pros and develop your own game. It sounds great, but when you are in such awe of these guys, it becomes difficult to take some shots out of your mind. I still remember how I watched the Australian Open a few years ago, then went on court that evening and tried to serve exactly like Tsonga.

Personally, my forehand is modeled (if that is a better word for copy) on Berdych - his forehand is probably not as good as Del Potro's, let alone the great Federer, but it suits my game since I do not have Federer's insane ability to get into correct position before almost every single shot. For the backhand, I modelled mine on Federer's - I have a 1HBH and it is but a tiny lot to choose from. My serve is all Agassi - yup, you guessed it. I am a poor poor serve. LOL
but who do you copy? I'm not saying, don't watch tennis at all, I'm saying that he should work on his own game with his trainer. I don't think it's a good idea to over analyze everything. It's like you want Novak's movement, Rog's FH, Novak's BH,, Rog's tennis inteligence, Ivo's serve ... Nadal's buttpicking skills (sorry couldn't help it, lol)

nadal_slam_king
06-01-2012, 09:21 AM
Are you a female, OP? Have any favorite female players?

wilkinru
06-01-2012, 10:36 AM
You should try watching female players instead. It is a good amount closer to the rec player.

Stosur for serve :)

zanabel
06-01-2012, 10:41 AM
Are you a female, OP? Have any favorite female players?

female. but i have no favorite but my coach has a hingis poster in his room so maybe i can watch her :)

zanabel
06-01-2012, 10:41 AM
You should try watching female players instead. It is a good amount closer to the rec player.

Stosur for serve :)

i live in melbourne so good idea!

Milan
06-01-2012, 10:59 AM
Everyone has different styles, there's no CORRECT WAY to hit the ball, but the best known techniques in a scientific sense...

Forehand: Roger
Backhand 1 hand: Wawrinka, Gasquet, Federer
Backhand 2 hand: Nalbandian, Murray, Safin

Volleys: Federer, Sampras

Serve: Depends on what motion you have

Abbreviated: Roddick, Monfils
Staggard: Tsonga, Djokovic
Classic: Federer, Sampras,

zanabel
06-01-2012, 11:02 AM
Everyone has different styles, there's no CORRECT WAY to hit the ball, but the best known techniques in a scientific sense...

Forehand: Roger
Backhand 1 hand: Wawrinka, Gasquet, Federer
Backhand 2 hand: Nalbandian, Murray, Safin

Volleys: Federer, Sampras

Serve: Depends on what motion you have

Abbreviated: Roddick, Monfils
Staggard: Tsonga, Djokovic
Classic: Federer, Sampras,

i bend my legs a lot so whoever bends there legs the most i guess is my serve.

SystemicAnomaly
06-01-2012, 11:38 AM
You should try watching female players instead. It is a good amount closer to the rec player.

Stosur for serve :)

Stossur has a very good serve. However, she has an unusual finish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvrFuCEJPJQ&t=18s

Try Molik, Kirilenko or Maria Sharapova for a pinpoint-stance serve:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV1iVOc0-eI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am6Tzyo40Zw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjt9K_iEC2U

I would not suggest Sharapova's super-high toss. However, you can see easily see many of the important mechanics of the serve motion from watching her serve. I like Kirilenko's relatively simple racket takeback. For a variation of this try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixx-MCC7D88


For a simple platform stance serve motion, I'd still go with Federer.
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jmverdugo
06-01-2012, 11:39 AM
female. but i have no favorite but my coach has a hingis poster in his room so maybe i can watch her :)

:confused:


Back to the OP, I have always thought that Serena Williams has textbook strokes worth to copy.

SystemicAnomaly
06-01-2012, 11:51 AM
^ Yes, very good serve and stroke mechanics from Serena. However, she hits a lot more open-stance backhands than I would suggest. Wait til you are more advanced to hit open stance of the BH side.

analysis_king
06-01-2012, 11:59 AM
I personally copied all aspects of technique from Murray, I'm a lefty.

I find Murray's technique extremely basic, and thus easy to model after. I'm also surprised you have trouble copying or learning from righties. If it helps, you can also mirror-image youtube videos through free video-editing software.

However, for the serve, I'm certain you should try for Federer. He has a very efficient, clean looking serve out of other people on the tour.
i agree with you. murray is one of the best to copy in terms of "modern technique", for both FH and BH. of course federer is awesome, but as some of the folks have pointed out, he is really one in a few billion. the things he can do with a racket are really really hard to emulate. like an unmoving head. or the straight arm etc. he isn't human frankly -- it probably isn't the best to try to copy him.

similarly, nadal's strokes are also difficult to copy -- it really requires extraordinary muscular strength particularly in the forearm and shoulder to do the type of strokes he is doing. again not recommended.

murray is a good model. nalbandian has very good simple strokes too which are good to copy.

BigForehand
06-01-2012, 01:01 PM
hold on, how old are you?

if you're a kid I wouldn't try to copy the pros just yet...

SystemicAnomaly
06-01-2012, 01:28 PM
i agree with you. murray is one of the best to copy in terms of "modern technique", for both FH and BH. of course federer is awesome, but as some of the folks have pointed out, he is really one in a few billion. the things he can do with a racket are really really hard to emulate. like an unmoving head. or the straight arm etc...

I agree that Murray and Nalbandian are good models to emulate.

While I would not recommend the straight-arm forehand of Federer and Nadal, I strongly believe that keeping the head very still during the forward swing of the FH is something that every player should copy. Federer and Nadal are the best examples of this. Murray does it sometimes, especially on low shots. However, there are too many videos of him moving his head (and gaze control) too early.

zanabel
06-02-2012, 05:36 AM
hold on, how old are you?

if you're a kid I wouldn't try to copy the pros just yet...

15 and counting

zanabel
06-02-2012, 05:38 AM
:confused:


Back to the OP, I have always thought that Serena Williams has textbook strokes worth to copy.

^ Yes, very good serve and stroke mechanics from Serena. However, she hits a lot more open-stance backhands than I would suggest. Wait til you are more advanced to hit open stance of the BH side.

serena is really slick good idea :)

rafan
06-02-2012, 07:53 AM
I still think it is how you feel comfortable with your shots: if you have a good serve then get that going really well and also decide which are your weakest shots. Then you can practise, practise, until you get better, because your weakest shots will always let you down. With me it's my backhand and I should practise much more than I do and it would give me more confidence. Federer has fantastic style and he is probably the best all rounder - also a lot of the French players.

zanabel
06-02-2012, 08:32 AM
I still think it is how you feel comfortable with your shots: if you have a good serve then get that going really well and also decide which are your weakest shots. Then you can practise, practise, until you get better, because your weakest shots will always let you down. With me it's my backhand and I should practise much more than I do and it would give me more confidence. Federer has fantastic style and he is probably the best all rounder - also a lot of the French players.

ok but my coach said 2 hands is better than 1.

rafan
06-02-2012, 09:12 AM
ok but my coach said 2 hands is better than 1.

I know that is what all the coaches say now but I learned to play one handed and it works better for me because I cannot keep the two hander going so well. I still like the one handed look of the back hand but again it's what you feel most comfortable with

tennis_pro
06-02-2012, 09:45 AM
so youre a 15 year old girl, huh?

http://images.wikia.com/wykopedia/pl/images/b/b1/Pedobear.jpg

SystemicAnomaly
06-02-2012, 11:30 AM
ok but my coach said 2 hands is better than 1.

The 2-hander is fine. Be sure that you also learn a 1-handed slice BH. It is great for spin variety. It also has a wider range for contact. It is often used when jammed or when you are not in an optimal position to hit with 2 hands. It should also be better for drop shots and better for developing a 1-handed BH volley (when needed).

You can try a 1-handed topspin BH some time down the road (but not til after you've mastered the slice BH with an early contact).

FeVer
06-02-2012, 11:50 AM
Forehand - Verdasco
1HBH - Wawrinka
2HBH - Nalby
Serve - Federer/Sampras
Volley - Edberg

Sid_Vicious
06-02-2012, 12:01 PM
Andre Agassi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZ5aeHHjh4

Simple, clean, and brilliant hitting.

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:31 PM
I know that is what all the coaches say now but I learned to play one handed and it works better for me because I cannot keep the two hander going so well. I still like the one handed look of the back hand but again it's what you feel most comfortable with

so far i only have hit the backhand with 2 hands but i will try one hand to see if i am good at it. maybe i should try for week or more to see how good i can be with one hand and then go back to 2 hands if i think 2 is easier :)

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:32 PM
so youre a 15 year old girl, huh?

http://images.wikia.com/wykopedia/pl/images/b/b1/Pedobear.jpg

thanks i saved that picture :)

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:34 PM
The 2-hander is fine. Be sure that you also learn a 1-handed slice BH. It is great for spin variety. It also has a wider range for contact. It is often used when jammed or when you are not in an optimal position to hit with 2 hands. It should also be better for drop shots and better for developing a 1-handed BH volley (when needed).

You can try a 1-handed topspin BH some time down the road (but not til after you've mastered the slice BH with an early contact).

slice backhand is useful because of drop shots. drop shots are very useful so i will try slice a lot now :)

Doubles
06-02-2012, 12:35 PM
Personally, I would say it's best to develop your own style (although this is coming from someone who's built his game to resemble Wawrinka). I would say, however, that if you were to copy a serve, Verdasco has a solid lefty serve in terms of placement and disguise. It wouldn't be a bad idea to see some footage of him serving if you want tips on how to effectively utilize a lefty serve.

tennis_pro
06-02-2012, 12:36 PM
I know that is what all the coaches say now but I learned to play one handed and it works better for me because I cannot keep the two hander going so well. I still like the one handed look of the back hand but again it's what you feel most comfortable with

I remember I used to switch to a one-handed backhand when I was a kid because I couldn't hit it DTL with a double hander no matter how hard I tried. Ironically, that completely self-taught backhand is probably my best stroke, maybe on par with the forehand if it's on.

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:36 PM
Forehand - Verdasco
1HBH - Wawrinka
2HBH - Nalby
Serve - Federer/Sampras
Volley - Edberg

thanks, i saw wawrinka and he is really good to watch.
edberg i just did a youtube search of and he looks really perfect at moving, good to watch his net play for sure.
not sure of nalby never seen him.

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:38 PM
Andre Agassi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZ5aeHHjh4

Simple, clean, and brilliant hitting.

wow he is really cool, thanks so much what a cool dude :D

Doubles
06-02-2012, 12:38 PM
thanks, i saw wawrinka and he is really good to watch.
edberg i just did a youtube search of and he looks really perfect at moving, good to watch his net play for sure.
not sure of nalby never seen him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XphTboHQLtA

Nalbandian has a textbook two handed backhand. It's one of the best along with the likes of Safin and Agassi.

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:39 PM
Personally, I would say it's best to develop your own style (although this is coming from someone who's built his game to resemble Wawrinka). I would say, however, that if you were to copy a serve, Verdasco has a solid lefty serve in terms of placement and disguise. It wouldn't be a bad idea to see some footage of him serving if you want tips on how to effectively utilize a lefty serve.

verdasco has really good fashion sense and is left-handed, both things like me lol, thanks i'll use his videos the most i think.

tennis_pro
06-02-2012, 12:40 PM
so far i only have hit the backhand with 2 hands but i will try one hand to see if i am good at it. maybe i should try for week or more to see how good i can be with one hand and then go back to 2 hands if i think 2 is easier :)

it realy depends what you feel comfortable with

with a 1-handed backhand you got a wider reach, better slice, drop shots but you need more power to generate some serious speed, also it's harder to control

a 2-handed backhand is just more solid all-round


if youre seriously thinking about turning pro in the future or having any career, Id recommend the 2-handed backhand, if its just for fun it doesnt really matter

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XphTboHQLtA

Nalbandian has a textbook two handed backhand. It's one of the best along with the likes of Safin and Agassi.

nalbandian looks so confident, and full of muscle :) great player thanks :)

zanabel
06-02-2012, 12:45 PM
it realy depends what you feel comfortable with

with a 1-handed backhand you got a wider reach, better slice, drop shots but you need more power to generate some serious speed, also it's harder to control

a 2-handed backhand is just more solid all-round


if youre seriously thinking about turning pro in the future or having any career, Id recommend the 2-handed backhand, if its just for fun it doesnt really matter

probably stick with 2 hands then. or try one-hand just for curiosity and then go back to 2 hands probably. my coach said i can be wta number one so i for sure will go pro. i am 5 foot 1 but might get taller as my mum and dad are tall. but my mum stopped growing at age 15 and i am 15 now so i might be short. drop shots are so handy.

Doubles
06-02-2012, 03:22 PM
How have you done in tournaments so far? if you aren't performing well at the national level at age 15, then I'm sorry to say that the odds of you being a pro is quite slim.

zanabel
06-02-2012, 04:41 PM
How have you done in tournaments so far? if you aren't performing well at the national level at age 15, then I'm sorry to say that the odds of you being a pro is quite slim.

no tournaments yet

rafan
06-03-2012, 03:33 AM
I remember I used to switch to a one-handed backhand when I was a kid because I couldn't hit it DTL with a double hander no matter how hard I tried. Ironically, that completely self-taught backhand is probably my best stroke, maybe on par with the forehand if it's on.

Yes I agree with the self taught bit. I think a lot of tennis is instinctive and if you keep thinking about how you are going to arrange a shot the way a coach tells you to then it doesn't always work

zanabel
06-03-2012, 03:36 AM
Yes I agree with the self taught bit. I think a lot of tennis is instinctive and if you keep thinking about how you are going to arrange a shot the way a coach tells you to then it doesn't always work

i only started tennis this year but what ever shots i choose now ill never change again so ill not mess my head up.

Pancho G
06-03-2012, 02:36 PM
How could no one comment on Zanabel's picture? If that's really you and you're only 15, that's just plain wrong to show your self on the internet like that.

zanabel
06-03-2012, 03:16 PM
How could no one comment on Zanabel's picture? If that's really you and you're only 15, that's just plain wrong to show your self on the internet like that.

its ok to wear short tops everywhere even school (on free dress days): basically everybody does

goderer
06-03-2012, 03:53 PM
lol kid get off the internet without your mothers permission.

Pancho G
06-03-2012, 10:13 PM
You're so starving for attention and everyone seems to be giving it to you on this post. I don't know who's worse, the OP who is a poser or the guys so enamored by this Lolita.

Z, you're a girl, not a woman. 15 year old girls, if you are in fact one, should not show cleavage, but if they do, there's a bigger issue here, no pun intended. Do your parent's know about your online activity?

SystemicAnomaly
06-03-2012, 11:15 PM
I don't know who's worse, the OP who is a poser or the guys so enamored by this Lolita...

You obviously just discovered this thread. I don't believe that she had posted an avatar at all until more than 4 dozen replies had already been posted.
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SystemicAnomaly
06-03-2012, 11:44 PM
i only started tennis this year but what ever shots i choose now ill never change again so ill not mess my head up.

Probably not so. After you've been playing for a while, you will likely change some shots or elements of your game. Pete Sampras switch from a 2-handed BH to his 1-hander after playing for quite a few years as a junior. Rafa Nadal completely switched after a few years -- from right-handed to left-handed for all of his strokes.

Were you playing some other sport or activity at a high level before you picked up tennis? Hate to burst your bubble but the chances of turning pro for someone who started tennis at 14 or 15 is extremely slim. Better to set your sights on high school and college tennis. Or, instead of high school tennis, you might want to start playing competitive tournaments. Later, if you are exceptional at a high college level, then you might consider the turning pro.

Focusing on Verdasco videos is not a bad idea. However, your would probably benefit more from watching a variety of players -- both WTA and ATP, especially the ones that heave been suggested. Be sure to study the Steffi Graf and Federer footwork videos that I posted and try to get out to the courts at least 4x per week if possible.

zanabel
06-04-2012, 02:30 AM
You're so starving for attention and everyone seems to be giving it to you on this post. I don't know who's worse, the OP who is a poser or the guys so enamored by this Lolita.

Z, you're a girl, not a woman. 15 year old girls, if you are in fact one, should not show cleavage, but if they do, there's a bigger issue here, no pun intended. Do your parent's know about your online activity?

ok sorry i offended you, i changed it. but cleavage is part of fashion and most people my age wear cleavage on their top :(

zanabel
06-04-2012, 02:51 AM
Probably not so. After you've been playing for a while, you will likely change some shots or elements of your game. Pete Sampras switch from a 2-handed BH to his 1-hander after playing for quite a few years as a junior. Rafa Nadal completely switched after a few years -- from right-handed to left-handed for all of his strokes.

Were you playing some other sport or activity at a high level before you picked up tennis? Hate to burst your bubble but the chances of turning pro for someone who started tennis at 14 or 15 is extremely slim. Better to set your sights on high school and college tennis. Or, instead of high school tennis, you might want to start playing competitive tournaments. Later, if you are exceptional at a high college level, then you might consider the turning pro.

Focusing on Verdasco videos is not a bad idea. However, your would probably benefit more from watching a variety of players -- both WTA and ATP, especially the ones that heave been suggested. Be sure to study the Steffi Graf and Federer footwork videos that I posted and try to get out to the courts at least 4x per week if possible.

thanks its a very helpful post: i copy and pasted it and emailed it to myself - i do that with the most helpful things i see online :D

our school has no tennis team but i just i play for a club that has matches every weekend (a doubles and a singles match) :)

SystemicAnomaly
06-05-2012, 02:31 AM
^ Gratifed to hear that you found the feedback to be useful.

A couple more things about Verdasco... Excellent game all around. However, like Nadal and Federer, he hits a straight-arm forehand. Many players find this difficult to control. You might be better off with a double-bend forehand. Most ATP players use it. A couple of WTA forehands to look at would include Sam Stosur and Ana Ivanovic. Here is a clip that compares Ana to Steffi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqmuDsDSPHA

Verdasco uses a 2-handed backhand but slices with one hand quite often (I think that I've even seen him hit a few 1-handed topspin BHs in practice). He has an excellent pinpoint stance serve. Is that the stance that you've been developing for your serve? If not, Federer would be a pretty good model for a platform stance.
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vive le beau jeu !
06-05-2012, 03:54 AM
ok sorry i offended you, i changed it. but cleavage is part of fashion and most people my age wear cleavage on their top :(
safer like this... i mean, you never know: dr.fedace could come back at any moment under a new username ! ;)

zanabel
06-06-2012, 03:19 AM
^ Gratifed to hear that you found the feedback to be useful.

A couple more things about Verdasco... Excellent game all around. However, like Nadal and Federer, he hits a straight-arm forehand. Many players find this difficult to control. You might be better off with a double-bend forehand. Most ATP players use it. A couple of WTA forehands to look at would include Sam Stosur and Ana Ivanovic. Here is a clip that compares Ana to Steffi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqmuDsDSPHA

Verdasco uses a 2-handed backhand but slices with one hand quite often (I think that I've even seen him hit a few 1-handed topspin BHs in practice). He has an excellent pinpoint stance serve. Is that the stance that you've been developing for your serve? If not, Federer would be a pretty good model for a platform stance.
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thanks that is a really cool video :D
i never saw graf until that: but i heard about her but not seen.
youtube is excellent for tennis tutoring!
yep my serve feet are the same as verdasco.

safer like this... i mean, you never know: dr.fedace could come back at any moment under a new username ! ;)

i do not get the joke :cry:

SystemicAnomaly
06-06-2012, 06:55 AM
safer like this... i mean, you never know: dr.fedace could come back at any moment under a new username ! ;)

Guess I missed it too. Was Fedace banned recently? Was there an incident? Can't seem to find any Fedace posts at all.

SystemicAnomaly
06-06-2012, 07:31 AM
thanks that is a really cool video :D
i never saw graf until that: but i heard about her but not seen.
youtube is excellent for tennis tutoring!
yep my serve feet are the same as verdasco...

Oops, I thought that I had posted a Steffi Graf footwork video earlier in this thread. I guess is was another recent thread. Be sure to check it out. Very dynamic footwork with explosive split steps. Many of us were only performing a split step on serve returns and net approaches before Steffi came along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJLR-IzxEY

Ever heard of David Bailey? He is one of the foremost footwork specialists. He coaches in Australia. Also, here are a few Federer footwork videos that are quite good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwPRKh1Mdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cut8N6eCgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Def7iMP8G0M

zanabel
06-07-2012, 01:58 AM
Oops, I thought that I had posted a Steffi Graf footwork video earlier in this thread. I guess is was another recent thread. Be sure to check it out. Very dynamic footwork with explosive split steps. Many of us were only performing a split step on serve returns and net approaches before Steffi came along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJLR-IzxEY

Ever heard of David Bailey? He is one of the foremost footwork specialists. He coaches in Australia. Also, here are a few Federer footwork videos that are quite good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwPRKh1Mdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cut8N6eCgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Def7iMP8G0M

thanks for the graf link :)

i am pretty new to tennis so not heard of bailey....

we are not allowed to watch federer - he hurt my mum - but thanks anyway.

SystemicAnomaly
06-11-2012, 12:07 AM
thanks for the graf link :)

i am pretty new to tennis so not heard of bailey....

we are not allowed to watch federer - he hurt my mum - but thanks anyway.

I don't know how close to Melbourne where David Bailey teaches, but if you ever get a chance for a footwork clinic or a chance to observe his students in person, be sure to do so. To give you an idea of what the Aussie footwork coach teaches, take a look at these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pFMiSZ1rDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsDySDMiNhE

http://www.thebaileymethod.com/

Federer hurt your mum!!! How did this happen? All the juicy details, please. However if you don't wish to discuss it on a public forum, I'll understand. As an alternative, you could left-click on my username to pass the info on for a more confidential feedback. It would be a shame if you really could not benefit from watching videos of Federer.

Hard to believe that your mom would hamper your tennis development by not allowing you the benefit of Federer's superb footwork. Roger's implementation of the serve and the modern game makes him the best model by far. At (nearly) 31, his footwork and style of play has enabled his to play at the highest levels without any significant injuries at all. Many players 25 and younger have already experienced significant injuries that may force them to have costly surgeries or retire before they reach 30.

Are you familiar with Aussie singer/songwriter, Kasey Chambers? If so, do you know if this is her on this footwork video? I think that it might be (but I've not heard any of her stuff in the past few years).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cut8N6eCgE

Lawn Tennis
06-11-2012, 12:32 AM
which pros should i watch to learn the best serve, forehand, backhand, nets, feetwork, smashing etc.?

i began tennis this year but people say i have mad potential, so best to use it by learning the right styles from pros.

Great question. Serve = Martina Navratilova. Forehand = Federer or Kvitova. Backhand = Djokovic. Net = Tsonga or McEnroe. Footwork = Federer. Smash = Sampras. Serve Return = Djokovic.

Some people go out to practice. Best way to improve is to work on something every time -- practice with a purpose. Write down your progress. Who is your favorite player(s)?

Polvorin
06-11-2012, 05:57 AM
serve/overhead/volley = Sampras

forehand = Federer

backhand = Agassi or Djokovic for 2H, Henin or Gasquet for 1H

SystemicAnomaly
06-11-2012, 11:03 PM
^ The straight-arm FH technique of Federer (also Nadal & Verdasco) is not something that I'd encourage for a developing player. Probably better to go with the double-bend FH used by Djokovic and most other pros. However, most other aspects of Federer's FH are certainly worth studying.

The Sampras serve is excellent. However his large, delayed loop and semi-high toss could be problematic for many players. I would modify those aspects of his serve or, better yet, look to Federer as a serve model.

Gasquet is not a good model for the backhand. Yes, he probably has the best BH on the planet and the best of all time. However the way the he hits his BHs are not something that most players should copy. Federer (or possibly Henin) would be better/simpler models.
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Lawn Tennis
06-13-2012, 12:30 AM
^ The straight-arm FH technique of Federer (also Nadal & Verdasco) is not something that I'd encourage for a developing player. Probably better to go with the double-bend FH used by Djokovic and most other pros. However, most other aspects of Federer's FH are certainly worth studying.

The Sampras serve is excellent. However his large, delayed loop and semi-high toss could be problematic for many players. I would modify those aspects of his serve or, better yet, look to Federer as a serve model.

Gasquet is not a good model for the backhand. Yes, he probably has the best BH on the planet and the best of all time. However the way the he hits his BHs are not something that most players should copy. Federer (or possibly Henin) would be better/simpler models.
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I see what you're saying. However, despite my double bend fh, visualzing Fed's fh helps my game. Now I put no emphasis on attempting to straighten the arm -- if I eventually begin to hit with a straighter or straightened arm then so be it. What do you think?

SystemicAnomaly
06-13-2012, 11:37 PM
^ Sound like an excellent idea, LT. Most other aspects of Federer's forehand, one of the best the game has ever seen, are certainly worth studying and visualizing. If you can eventually hit with less of an elbow bend and still hit consistently and effectively, then go for it.