PDA

View Full Version : Rate the current top 10 in order of mental strength


papertank
06-03-2012, 04:27 PM
Like winning important points, controlling their temper, not being streaky during matches.

For me it would be

1. Nadal
2. Ferrer
3. Djokovic
4. Federer
5. Berdych
6. Isner
7. Del Potro
8. Tipsarevic
9. Tsonga
10. Murray

Semi-Pro
06-03-2012, 04:33 PM
Novak is first

TheBoom
06-03-2012, 04:35 PM
I'd put Murray a little higher, he may not hold his own all the time but he shows up and plays consistantly better in matches, berdych is streakier than Murray IMO

goderer
06-03-2012, 04:51 PM
1. Federer
2. Murray
3. Ferrer
4. Tipsarevic
5. Del Potro
6. Berdych
7. Djokovic
8. Nadal
9. Tsonga
10. Isner

The Bawss
06-03-2012, 05:10 PM
1. Nadal
2. Ferrer
3. Djokovic
4. Federer (he has lost many matches after having had match points recently, he lost after being 2 sets up vs. Djokovic and Tsonga, also after having being 2 sets to 1 up against Del Potro in a match he should have won and he has a huge mental block against Nadal which makes him choke on BPs)

The rest are mental midgets.

Sid_Vicious
06-03-2012, 05:15 PM
lololol


Ferrer over Djokovic/Federer.

Only on TW..

Ferrer after losing the first set 79-199 (28.4%)
Federer after losing the first set 90-134 (40.2%)
Djokovic after losing the first set 56-97 (36.6%)

CocaCola
06-03-2012, 05:20 PM
1. Nadal
2. Ferrer
3. Djokovic
4. Federer (he has lost many matches after having had match points recently, he lost after being 2 sets up vs. Djokovic and Tsonga, also after having being 2 sets to 1 up against Del Potro in a match he should have won and he has a huge mental block against Nadal which makes him choke on BPs)

The rest are mental midgets.

Your no.2 certainly has a great H2H with no.4 on the list which proves his mental strength.

Sid_Vicious
06-03-2012, 05:24 PM
Your no.2 certainly has a great H2H with no.4 on the list which proves his mental strength.

How about the impeccable performances in the finals he has played? He won 14 out of 29.

CocaCola
06-03-2012, 05:36 PM
How about the impeccable performances in the finals he has played? He won 14 out of 29.

:lol: yes, that too.

Viper
06-03-2012, 05:48 PM
And all the slams he's won. GOAT candidate for sure.

The Bawss
06-03-2012, 06:16 PM
Your no.2 certainly has a great H2H with no.4 on the list which proves his mental strength.

I thought we were talking about mental strength, i.e not losing to players you shouldn't lose to and keeping a cool head in tense match situations? We are not talking about being owned. He has a decent tie-break record and a decent break point saving percentage.

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 12:31 AM
I dont really understand how one can value the mental strength of a tennis player...

But if you watched Fed's or Djoko's matches yesterday, both have insane behaviour when it comes to stay calm keep cool and let the storm pass

WhiskeyEE
06-04-2012, 01:06 AM
Nadal can't even play tennis without picking his *** before every point. That isn't mental strength.

His mental strength in big points is an illusion anyway. He just pushes and is VERY good at it. You don't need to be calm to implement that style. It's different for shotmakers.

Flash O'Groove
06-04-2012, 01:11 AM
How about the impeccable performances in the finals he has played? He won 14 out of 29.

Why, you mean that percentage of finals won is relevant to assess mental strength? Without bothering about the opponents? Let's have a look at Ferrer's vanquishers in final:

Before 2007, he lost 3 finals to Andreev, Moya, and Coria. Andreev is not a very fierce player, but he beat Nadal on clay the same year (2005.

After 2007, he lost:
- One masters cup against Federer
- five final against a player named Nadal
- two against a certain Djokovic
- one against Murray, Soderling, and Ferrero

The bigger names he beat in finals are Verdasco, Nalbandian and Almagro.

It seems to me that this resume shows how strong mentally he is to beat inferior opponents, and how limited his game is to beat superior opponents. Anyway, I dont' think his loss can be explained by mental weakness!

Sid_Vicious
06-04-2012, 12:42 PM
Why, you mean that percentage of finals won is relevant to assess mental strength? Without bothering about the opponents? Let's have a look at Ferrer's vanquishers in final:

Before 2007, he lost 3 finals to Andreev, Moya, and Coria. Andreev is not a very fierce player, but he beat Nadal on clay the same year (2005.

After 2007, he lost:
- One masters cup against Federer
- five final against a player named Nadal
- two against a certain Djokovic
- one against Murray, Soderling, and Ferrero

The bigger names he beat in finals are Verdasco, Nalbandian and Almagro.

It seems to me that this resume shows how strong mentally he is to beat inferior opponents, and how limited his game is to beat superior opponents. Anyway, I dont' think his loss can be explained by mental weakness!

Ferrer is mentally tough, but my point is, he is not even close to Federer or Djokovic's league when it comes to mental strength.

underground
06-04-2012, 12:45 PM
imo Fed's mental strength has become much better ever since USO last year.

Polaris
06-04-2012, 12:48 PM
1. Nadal
[...]
The rest don't matter really. They are all more or less the same.

Among the up-and-comers, I like Raonic's quiet approach. The guy does not beat himself up emotionally.

kragster
06-04-2012, 12:58 PM
lololol


Ferrer over Djokovic/Federer.

Only on TW..

Ferrer after losing the first set 79-199 (28.4%)
Federer after losing the first set 90-134 (40.2%)
Djokovic after losing the first set 56-97 (36.6%)

While I agree with your overall point, I disagree with your supporting evidence. The statistic you used does not account for the fact that Fed/Djokovic are overall better/more skilled players so they are expected to win more matches being 1 set down anyway. Federer winning from 1 set down yesterday is more about the fact that his true level is multiple times higher than his opponent than a mental strength thing.

To have an apples to apples comparison, you need to eliminate the gap in skills/talent factor between Ferrer and Djoker/Fed i.e. one way to do it would be to limit the above stat to opponents ranked outside the top 50. That way we know that all these players are 'expected' to win.

Another way would be to look at 5-set records although that then brings in physical fitness as well.

BigServer1
06-04-2012, 01:03 PM
1) Nadal

2) Djokovic (2011-present)

3) Federer

4) Ferrer

5) Murray

6-1000) Doesn't really seem to matter much.

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 01:10 PM
Nadal is mentally stronger because when you always have the easiest draw and play lefty it helps build confidence

cc0509
06-04-2012, 01:15 PM
Like winning important points, controlling their temper, not being streaky during matches.

For me it would be

1. Nadal
2. Ferrer
3. Djokovic
4. Federer
5. Berdych
6. Isner
7. Del Potro
8. Tipsarevic
9. Tsonga
10. Murray

I am a Federer fan but I have to say in terms of mental strength:

1. Nadal

then there is a gap

2. Federer
3. Djokovic

then another gap

4. Murray
5. Ferrer

and then everybody else after that and you start going into mental midget territory.

cc0509
06-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Nadal can't even play tennis without picking his *** before every point. That isn't mental strength.

His mental strength in big points is an illusion anyway. He just pushes and is VERY good at it. You don't need to be calm to implement that style. It's different for shotmakers.

Sorry, you are dead wrong here. Nadal's mental strength is second to none and I say that as a Federer fan.

srinrajesh
06-04-2012, 01:20 PM
Nadal
Djokovic
Federer (Except against Nadal most times)
Murray
Ferrer
Del Potro

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 01:21 PM
I'm also a die hard ******* and I'd say nadal cheats by taking time between points to annoy his opponents
And he grunts a lot also
All that takes on his opponents and helps him mentally
His mental strenght is built on cheating and unfair tactics
Like going take a pee when your opponent is serving for the match

srinrajesh
06-04-2012, 01:23 PM
Last year though Nadal was terrible because of his 6 losses in a row to djoker has regained it a bit now

Sid_Vicious
06-04-2012, 01:48 PM
While I agree with your overall point, I disagree with your supporting evidence. The statistic you used does not account for the fact that Fed/Djokovic are overall better/more skilled players so they are expected to win more matches being 1 set down anyway. Federer winning from 1 set down yesterday is more about the fact that his true level is multiple times higher than his opponent than a mental strength thing.

To have an apples to apples comparison, you need to eliminate the gap in skills/talent factor between Ferrer and Djoker/Fed i.e. one way to do it would be to limit the above stat to opponents ranked outside the top 50. That way we know that all these players are 'expected' to win.

Another way would be to look at 5-set records although that then brings in physical fitness as well.

I disagree. That is a great statistic to analyze mental prowess on a tennis court. From the large sample sizes we have, recovering from a first set loss statistically favors a loss rather than a win. Even great players like Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are in 35-40% ranges.

Gap in talent and skill? Federer and Djokovic did not win those matches from a set down with beautiful looking groundstrokes. They played the big points well and won the matches. Mental strength and physical talent are related somewhat , IMO. Federer/Djokovic perform better in bigger matches because they know how good they are and that gives them the confidence to push the odds in their favor.

You say we should eliminate the gap between them in talent... why should we do that? There is no point in looking at mental strength if it does not give you any results. I can say that I am mentally tougher than Federer/Djokovic, but for an apples to apples comparison, you must eliminate the talent gap between me and Federer/Djokovic by comparing my performances against local scrub tennis players to Federer/Djokovic's performances at the grand slam level.

I don't see any reason to give Ferrer extra credit for his mental strength just because he is not as talented as Federer or Djokovic. It just does not make sense to me. It is like saying that we can't reasonably claim that Sampras was mentally tougher than Agassi because Agassi did not have as a great of a serve to rely on during big points; and for a reasonable comparison, we must have the two play a match with underhand serves to truly see who was mentally tougher. :-|

Ferrer has no excuse. In his last two matches against Nadal this year, Ferrer converted 4/25 BP against Nadal. The gap in talent is clearly not an excuse. Ferrer can clearly play his way to break points, but he folds like a cheap lawn chair and loses in straight sets every time.

Even against Federer, I remember matches where Ferrer failed to convert like 6 BP chances. I think it was WTF 2010...

firepanda
06-04-2012, 01:57 PM
1. Ferrer
2. Nadal
3. Federer
4. Djokovic
5. Del Potro
6. Berdych
7. Isner
8. Tipsarevic
9. Tsonga
10. Murray

Murray is a walking disaster. You don't get where he is without being a total headcase. I've three of his slams against the top players and he's been a disaster in every one of them.

chrischris
06-04-2012, 01:59 PM
1. Nadal
2.Fed/Nole
4.Delpo
5.Isner
6.Ferrer
7.Muzza
8.Tipsy
9.Tsonga
10.Berdych

tank_job
06-04-2012, 02:14 PM
1. Nadal
2. Isner
3. Ferrer
4. Federer
5. Tipsarevic
6. Del Potro
7. Djokovic
8. Tsonga
9. Berdych
10. Murray

Russeljones
06-04-2012, 02:15 PM
I think Murray is steadily climbing up the rankings of many knowledgeable tennis fans. The ability to keep a straight face during his shows is a sign of considerable mental strength.

kragster
06-04-2012, 02:23 PM
I disagree. That is great statistic to analyze mental prowess on a tennis court. From the large sample sizes we have, recovering from a first set loss statistically favors a loss rather than a win. Even great players like Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are in 35-40% ranges.

Gap in talent and skill? Federer and Djokovic did not win those matches from a set down with beautiful looking groundstrokes. They played the big points well and won the matches. Mental strength and physical talent are related somewhat , IMO. Federer/Djokovic perform better in bigger matches because they know how good they are and that gives them the confidence to push the odds in their favor.

You say we should eliminate the gap between them in talent... why should we do that? There is no point in looking at mental strength if it does not give you any results. I can say that I am mentally tougher than Federer/Djokovic, but for an apples to apples comparison, you must eliminate the talent gap between me and Federer/Djokovic by comparing my performances against local scrub tennis players to Federer/Djokovic's performances at the grand slam level.

I don't see any reason to give Ferrer extra credit for his mental strength just because he is not as talented as Federer or Djokovic. It just does not make sense to me. It is like saying that we can't reasonably claim that Sampras was mentally tougher than Agassi because Agassi did not have as a great of a serve to rely on during big points; and for a reasonable comparison, we must have the two play a match with underhand serves to truly see who was mentally tougher. :-|

Ferrer has no excuse. In his last two matches against Nadal this year, Ferrer converted 4/25 BP against Nadal. The gap in talent is clearly not an excuse. Ferrer can clearly play his way to break points, but he folds like a cheap lawn chair and loses in straight sets every time.

Even against Federer, I remember matches where Ferrer failed to convert like 6 BP chances. I think it was WTF 2010...

I'm not talking about having beautiful ground-strokes. I'm saying that mental strength is not the only thing that determines whether you come back from a 1 set loss.

When you have a 1 set loss, it could mean 1 of 2 things

a) The other player is better than you in general
b) The other player is RIGHT NOW playing better than you

For guys like Fed/Djoker, 99% of the time, it is about (b). For a guy like Ferrer it is a combination of (a) and (b). By virtue of that very fact, you SHOULD expect Ferrer to have a worse record than Fed/Djoker EVEN IF HE HAD THE SAME MENTAL STRENGTH. Not saying he does, just saying that if he did, it would not show up in this stat. Ferrer can have all the mental strength in the world but he won't have the skills to come back from 1 set down to beat Federer on a hard court. Federer on the other hand can be 1 set down and all he needs to do is play his normal level and he can win.

Mainad
06-04-2012, 05:27 PM
1. Ferrer
2. Nadal
3. Federer
4. Djokovic
5. Del Potro
6. Berdych
7. Isner
8. Tipsarevic
9. Tsonga
10. Murray

Murray is a walking disaster. You don't get where he is without being a total headcase. I've three of his slams against the top players and he's been a disaster in every one of them.

Come again?? Where exactly do you think he is?? You mean, like #4 in the world with 22 titles?? Is that what you call being a walking disaster?? He's been in 3 Slam finals. Exactly how many Slam finals have Berdych, Isner, Tipsarevic and Tsonga made? If Murray is 'a walking disaster' for making 3 Slam finals, what does that make those others who have made only 1 or none at all?

In terms of mental strength on this list, there is absolutely no question that Murray is ahead of all those other guys I mentioned. His results simply defy any attempt to argue otherwise.

Backhanded Compliment
06-04-2012, 05:46 PM
1. Federer (it's actually his mental toughness thats keeping him in the top 3)
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal
4. Ferrer
5. Murray
6. Del Potro
7. Tsonga
8. Tipsarevic
9. Isner
10. the Berd

Murray will move up considerably if he gets a slam, it is clear he gets tight because of that monkey on his back. I wouldnt be surprised at all if he wins the French because he is not expected to... but has all the tools. Even his forehand is on now and he's geting to the net enough too.

WhiskeyEE
06-04-2012, 06:06 PM
Sorry, you are dead wrong here. Nadal's mental strength is second to none and I say that as a Federer fan.

No, sorry, but you are wrong. It isn't.

NadalAgassi
06-04-2012, 06:12 PM
Nadal is easily and far and away #1 in this category and only a blind hater would suggest otherwise. Beyond that it is tough to say. Prime Federer might be #2 but he has lost some in this area. Djokovic has often been suspect in this area, but it takes mental toughness to be top 3 for 6 years in a row, and Djokovic 2.0 is alot tougher mentally than the prior version. Ferrer is a huge fighter but gets nervous when ahead and on big points sometimes. Del Potro and Isner are decent. Murray, Tsonga, Berdych, and Tipsarevic are all pretty poor for a top player in this category.

NadalAgassi
06-04-2012, 06:14 PM
I am a Federer fan but I have to say in terms of mental strength:

1. Nadal

then there is a gap

2. Federer
3. Djokovic

then another gap

4. Murray
5. Ferrer

and then everybody else after that and you start going into mental midget territory.

Murray #4, dont make me laugh. No way in hell is Murray mentally tougher than Ferrer, he just has a way better game. Ferrer would never play the way Murray has in his slam finals, he might get his *** whooped just as badly but it wouldnt be through playing embarassingly subpar tennis.

Mighty Matteo
06-04-2012, 06:19 PM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray
5. Ferrer (he has less belief)
etc.

okdude1992
06-04-2012, 06:22 PM
Last year though Nadal was terrible because of his 6 losses in a row to djoker has regained it a bit now

Nadal had all those losses because Novak was totally outplaying him. Yet his fight was incredible (ie 3rd set USO final)

1.Nadal (never gives up, intensity even in early rounds of tournaments)
2.Djokovic (huge improvement, lots of matches he toughed out last year that he *shouldn't have won)
3.Ferrer (great fight, gets a bit tight sometimes)
4.Federer (used to be #1 mentally, but losses to nadal have shaken his confidence. perhaps less motivation now, and plus blown 2 sets to love leads to Djoko and Tsonga...)
5.Isner (very clutch, aggressive, yet patient tennis on serve, see match vs Mahut)
6. DelPotro (mellow demeanor, but can let little things bug him)
7.Murray (way too negative/passive at times,sporadic early exits, but still usually fights hard)
8.Tipsarevic (much improved, in the past didn't always focus /show up for matches he was expected to win)
9.Tsonga (wild shot selection at times, big ups and downs in his matches, typical French)
10.Berdych (Rarely ever toughs out matches where he is not playing well, questionable work ethic vs other top guys)

Mainad
06-04-2012, 06:27 PM
Murray #4, dont make me laugh. No way in hell is Murray mentally tougher than Ferrer, he just has a way better game. Ferrer would never play the way Murray has in his slam finals, he might get his *** whooped just as badly but it wouldnt be through playing embarassingly subpar tennis.

That's absolutely impossible to say since Ferrer has never made a Slam final. Until that day comes when he's mentally tough enough to finally make one, only then will we see how he fares mentally or otherwise when he actually plays it.

IvanisevicServe
06-04-2012, 06:33 PM
Different types of mental strength. There's strength to fight/come back when down, there's the ability to stretch leads/pull away with the lead, there's ability to hang in there during a tight match and win the big points, there's converting break points, and there's saving break points.

norbac
06-04-2012, 06:41 PM
No, sorry, but you are wrong. It isn't.

No, sorry, you are wrong.

No, you are.

No, you are.

No, I am

No, you are.

cc0509
06-04-2012, 06:43 PM
Murray #4, dont make me laugh. No way in hell is Murray mentally tougher than Ferrer, he just has a way better game. Ferrer would never play the way Murray has in his slam finals, he might get his *** whooped just as badly but it wouldnt be through playing embarassingly subpar tennis.


Ferrer is only tough when he plays against lesser players. As soon as he has to play one of the top three of four, he is not that tough mentally. You have to put Murray ahead of Ferrer slightly because Murray has made slams finals and has won many more big titles than Ferrer.

jackson vile
06-04-2012, 06:45 PM
No, sorry, you are wrong.

No, you are.

No, you are.

No, I am

No, you are.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa331/jacksonvile/funny-gifs-punch-zombie-1.gif

cc0509
06-04-2012, 06:45 PM
No, sorry, but you are wrong. It isn't.

Nope, I am not wrong. I think Federer is a more talented player who has a lot more variety and a much nicer style to watch, but if you are talking mental strength and a guy who fights every single point like it is match point, you have to give the edge to Nadal there even if you dislike him.

Talker
06-04-2012, 06:46 PM
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Del Potro
4. Nadal
5. Ferrer
6. Murray
7. Tsonga
8. Tipsarevic
9. Isner
10.Berdych

Fed's as tough as they get, 18/19 slam finals not only shows in tournament toughness but for such a long time.

Djokovic has been tougher last year but wasn't long enough.

Del Potro has been tougher but with a diminished game since the injury the confidence is lacking until lately.

Nadal has a high margin for error game with his topspin so he can stay in rallies longer than most, it looks like mental toughness but is really just the safe type of game he has.

cc0509
06-04-2012, 06:48 PM
1. Nadal
2. Isner
3. Ferrer
4. Federer
5. Tipsarevic
6. Del Potro
7. Djokovic
8. Tsonga
9. Berdych
10. Murray

LOL at Isner and Ferrer before Federer. Does Isner have more than 16 slams? Does Ferrer?

Towser83
06-04-2012, 08:03 PM
Too hard to answer. first are we talking about mental toughness now? At each player's best? Overall career wise? Djokovic at his best last year and uo til the aussie open this year is the best out of everyone but overall he is behind both Nadal and federer.

Also Nadal is better than fed generally at toughing out close matches but worse at dealing with another player killing him. also the series of matches with djokovic last year dented his reputation.

TennisFan3
06-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Nadal
Federer
Djokovic

(HUGE GAP)

Del Potro
Murray

(Gap)

Ferrer
Isner
Berdych
Tsonga
Tipsarevic

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 08:26 PM
Nadal
Federer
Djokovic

(HUGE GAP)

Del Potro
Murray

(Gap)

Ferrer
Isner
Berdych
Tsonga
Tipsarevic



This is a good list,but I would put Rolaids first followed by Fed then Nadal.

primetennis
06-04-2012, 09:08 PM
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Del Potro
4. Nadal
5. Ferrer
6. Murray
7. Tsonga
8. Tipsarevic
9. Isner
10.Berdych

Fed's as tough as they get, 18/19 slam finals not only shows in tournament toughness but for such a long time.

Djokovic has been tougher last year but wasn't long enough.

Del Potro has been tougher but with a diminished game since the injury the confidence is lacking until lately.

Nadal has a high margin for error game with his topspin so he can stay in rallies longer than most, it looks like mental toughness but is really just the safe type of game he has.

spot on!!!

NadalAgassi
06-04-2012, 09:15 PM
Ferrer is only tough when he plays against lesser players. As soon as he has to play one of the top three of four, he is not that tough mentally. You have to put Murray ahead of Ferrer slightly because Murray has made slams finals and has won many more big titles than Ferrer.

Ferrer is only mentaly weak vs Federer. Against Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray he does extremely well considering his tennis abilities via theirs, and how his game seemingly has nothing that should hurt any of those guys, he is basically a lesser version of their first rate defensive games with less offense and variety to boot.

Murray has the game to beat anyone so he wins Masters titles atleast. Ferrer does not. It isnt a stronger mental game.

NadalAgassi
06-04-2012, 09:18 PM
That's absolutely impossible to say since Ferrer has never made a Slam final. Until that day comes when he's mentally tough enough to finally make one, only then will we see how he fares mentally or otherwise when he actually plays it.

He doesnt have the game to win a slam or even reach a slam final amongst the present field, barring a dream draw. He isnt good enough to beat 2 of the really big guys in a row, never mind 3. How can you put his failure to make a slam final down to lack of mental strength. Were any of his slam semifinal defeats due to lacking mental toughness? Definitely not. He actually competed much harder and better than Murray in his Australian Open semifinal loss, but on a hard court even a subpar and lethargic Murray is better than a very in form Ferrer. His game is just that much better. At the TMF last year Ferrer competed his hardest every match, and in the crucial final RR even an erratic and up and down Berdych was just too good for a 100% Ferrer. Ferrer does get a bit tight on big points which is his only competitive weakness, but overall his mentality is excellent, it is the only reason he is World #5. His game just isnt good enough, his actual game isnt even close to #5 best which is proof of his mental toughness already.

TennisLovaLova
06-05-2012, 12:38 AM
sorry to bother you but I have a serious question: what does Nadal eat to have this special mental strenght?

*Val*
06-05-2012, 04:05 AM
Nadal had all those losses because Novak was totally outplaying him. Yet his fight was incredible (ie 3rd set USO final)

1.Nadal (never gives up, intensity even in early rounds of tournaments)
2.Djokovic (huge improvement, lots of matches he toughed out last year that he *shouldn't have won)
3.Ferrer (great fight, gets a bit tight sometimes)
4.Federer (used to be #1 mentally, but losses to nadal have shaken his confidence. perhaps less motivation now, and plus blown 2 sets to love leads to Djoko and Tsonga...)
5.Isner (very clutch, aggressive, yet patient tennis on serve, see match vs Mahut)
6. DelPotro (mellow demeanor, but can let little things bug him)
7.Murray (way too negative/passive at times,sporadic early exits, but still usually fights hard)
8.Tipsarevic (much improved, in the past didn't always focus /show up for matches he was expected to win)
9.Tsonga (wild shot selection at times, big ups and downs in his matches, typical French)
10.Berdych (Rarely ever toughs out matches where he is not playing well, questionable work ethic vs other top guys)

This sounds about right

OverratedIvanovic
06-05-2012, 06:12 AM
Please refer to USO 2011 semi, AO 2012 semi and AO 2012 finals to see which player has the best mental strength at the moment.
Thanks :cry:

ZeroSkid
06-05-2012, 06:35 AM
Like winning important points, controlling their temper, not being streaky during matches.

For me it would be

1. Nadal
2. Ferrer
3. Djokovic
4. Federer
5. Del Potro
6. Berdych
7. Isner
8. Tipsarevic
9. Tsonga
10. Murray

This.........................

PetSounds
06-05-2012, 06:40 AM
Ferrer gets an automatic 5 place demotion for being Naboo's lapdog. Roll over, there's a good boy...

sorry to bother you but I have a serious question: what does Nadal eat to have this special mental strenght?

The souls of his opponents.

clayman2000
06-05-2012, 10:13 AM
I think we have a winner.

TennisLovaLova
06-05-2012, 10:32 AM
^^^ federer today was mentally superior
Too bad delpo was injured

CocaCola
06-05-2012, 10:39 AM
Watching this awesome match on PC court just now, Djokovic comes up as a good candidate, no? :lol:

10is
06-05-2012, 10:58 AM
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Del Potro
4. Nadal
5. Ferrer
6. Murray
7. Tsonga
8. Tipsarevic
9. Isner
10.Berdych

Fed's as tough as they get, 18/19 slam finals not only shows in tournament toughness but for such a long time.

Djokovic has been tougher last year but wasn't long enough.

Del Potro has been tougher but with a diminished game since the injury the confidence is lacking until lately.

Nadal has a high margin for error game with his topspin so he can stay in rallies longer than most, it looks like mental toughness but is really just the safe type of game he has.

Pretty much this! Well said!

Also, I would add that its not surprising that Federer hasn't been as "clutch" over the past couple of years as he was during his prime. Aging, being past ones physical peak and to a certain extent the diminishment of youthful zeal and ardour inevitably bring about more errors when one is unable to compensate (for a lack of focus, doubt or awkward positioning) with the instinct of supreme athletic ability.

Even Sampras who I consider the clutchiest of the clutch exhibited many a mental failing during the downward trajectory of his career.

TahoeTennis
06-05-2012, 11:15 AM
Tsonga and DelPo should be dropped off this list after
their performances today.

norbac
06-05-2012, 11:17 AM
Number 1: Djokovic.

NadalAgassi
06-05-2012, 11:21 AM
LOL at someone ranking Del Potro above Nadal in mental toughness. There are so many incredibly stupid people on this forum it defies belief.

atptennis
06-05-2012, 12:02 PM
LOL at someone ranking Del Potro above Nadal in mental toughness. There are so many incredibly stupid people on this forum it defies belief.

True.

10chars

namelessone
06-05-2012, 12:04 PM
LOL at someone ranking Del Potro above Nadal in mental toughness. There are so many incredibly stupid people on this forum it defies belief.

I don't think that they actually believe it, they are just being haters for the sake of it, gives them something to do on this forum.

keithfival
06-05-2012, 12:05 PM
LOL at someone ranking Del Potro above Nadal in mental toughness. There are so many incredibly stupid people on this forum it defies belief.

+1. Someone also ranked Tipsarevic above Nadal. That pretty much says it all about this place.

cc0509
06-05-2012, 12:10 PM
Ferrer is only mentaly weak vs Federer. Against Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray he does extremely well considering his tennis abilities via theirs, and how his game seemingly has nothing that should hurt any of those guys, he is basically a lesser version of their first rate defensive games with less offense and variety to boot.

Murray has the game to beat anyone so he wins Masters titles atleast. Ferrer does not. It isnt a stronger mental game.

If Ferrer did extremely well against Nadal, Djokovic and Murray he would win most of their matches and win some big tournaments. He is mentally strong and confident mostly against lesser players imo. I agree that he has fewer weapons than the top four but I still think if he was truly that strong mentally he would win bigger matches more often.

BrooklynNY
06-05-2012, 12:16 PM
A Tweet from Mahesh Bhupathi:

@Maheshbhupathi
Epic matches at Roland Garros today. Favourites found a way through. The Djoker is mentally the strongest player in tennis today, period!!

https://twitter.com/Maheshbhupathi/status/210075763465134080

FlashFlare11
06-05-2012, 12:46 PM
A Tweet from Mahesh Bhupathi:

@Maheshbhupathi
Epic matches at Roland Garros today. Favourites found a way through. The Djoker is mentally the strongest player in tennis today, period!!

https://twitter.com/Maheshbhupathi/status/210075763465134080

I swear some of these pros and commentators read these forums. I always see the nicknames used here or discussions here being talked about by American ESPN commentators or pros tweeting about relevant forums.

RedRae7
06-05-2012, 12:55 PM
Thing is alot of the players mental toughness depends on the opponent.. so its not really a strict science. Responding to pressure is one thing, responding to the guy across the net is a whole different ball game.

Federer is more clutch against Djokovic and Murray than he is against Nadal. Its a fact, the latter has a psychological hold over the former.. Federer goes weak at the knees at the mere sight of him, although technical weaknesses in ones game can disguise how tough a player is.

For example I've rarely seen Fed's serve ever go to pot even in the toughest of matches v Rafa, but his backhand is always suspect, is this a mental deficiency or a technical one?

Talker
06-05-2012, 03:56 PM
LOL at someone ranking Del Potro above Nadal in mental toughness. There are so many incredibly stupid people on this forum it defies belief.

You have to look at how Nadal lost the final 5 out of 6 games to Djokovic in the fifth set at the AO.
They were playing even and it came down to mental toughness.

Lost his ranking in dramatic fashion to Djokovic, he was playing great in 2011 but someone stood up to his game and he got burned 7 times in a row.

Had chances at the WTF against his lap dog Fed, got smoked off the court.
I can't put him above DelPo.

Everyone knew DelPo had about the top mental toughness in 2009, he gave Nadal some good beatings back then and was just starting out.
DelPo didn't fear any player or on any stage including Fed.
Not so with Nadal.



No ones saying Nadal isn't tough but there's too many instances nerves brought him down.

WhiskeyEE
06-05-2012, 04:02 PM
I swear some of these pros and commentators read these forums. I always see the nicknames used here or discussions here being talked about by American ESPN commentators or pros tweeting about relevant forums.

More than you'd think. They're people just like you and I.

And I mean, there are only so many active tennis forums for them to read. This one and another that IMO sucks.

IvanisevicServe
06-05-2012, 05:41 PM
Rather than top 10, here are the guys I think top each type of mental toughness:


When Behind: Federer. When his back is against the wall, he's going to fight to the death. Even if he doesn't pull out the win, how many times have we seen him create break chances against an opponent serving for the match? Countless. Djokovic has been pretty damn good as of late in those situations, too, but I think Federer is still the hardest to close out.

When Ahead: Nadal. When he gets out in front, it's nearly impossible to come back on him. It's so tough to handle the "physicality" of his matches for 1 set. When you lose the set, it becomes a nearly insurmountable mental battle to keep going.

Saving Break Points: Nadal. He just kills you with this. He has the go-to serve-forehand combination that is higher percentage than anyone else's 1-2 punch.

Converting Break Points: Not sure...anyone have the percentages?

Pulling Out Tight Match: Djokovic. He just finds a way to get it done at the end. You break him...look out, because he's the master of breaking right back.