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roysid
06-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Is there any grand slam tournament with such a foregone conclusion in first week itself.

Rafa is brutal as devil in his matches. Whereas when I saw Djokovic playing it looks like the djoker of 2009. Can't win rallies with confidence. It was some luck that he didn't get ousted against Seppi. Same for Federer.

To Rafa's luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck of the draw even Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych are all on the other side.

Does anyone really think that FO men's can have any other result.

On women's, as usual it's anyone's game. But Sharapova has a golden chance here.

cluckcluck
06-03-2012, 09:19 PM
It's hard to say who's going to win on the women's side, as it always is. Though for Rafa, it's almost like it was drawn out like that before. This year, like previous years, is nothing more than who is fighting for table scraps. Nadal will take the title (again) and everybody else is just watching.
Can he be stopped? Sure, if the court was blue.

OldFedIsOld
06-03-2012, 09:33 PM
Possible(probably unlikely) upsets:

1. David Ferrer will relieve himself of his status as Nadal's lap dog by beating him in the semifinals.

2. Almagro will beat Nadal in the quarters.

3. Andy Murray grows a pair and makes it to the semifinals by beating Ferrer and then beating Nadal.

4. Nadal will lose in the finals against either Federer(lol), Djokovic, Berdych, or Delpo.

Nadal has it easy once again, happy birthday to him.

Sentinel
06-03-2012, 09:38 PM
uuuuck of the draw even Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych are all on the other side.

Does anyone really think that FO men's can have any other result.

JakeMCClaine and Ferrer.

Wolfman Jack
06-03-2012, 09:55 PM
Possible(probably unlikely) upsets:

1. David Ferrer will relieve himself of his status as Nadal's lap dog by beating him in the semifinals.

2. Almagro will beat Nadal in the quarters.

3. Andy Murray grows a pair and makes it to the semifinals by beating Ferrer and then beating Nadal.

4. Nadal will lose in the finals against either Federer(lol), Djokovic, Berdych, or Delpo.

Nadal has it easy once again, happy birthday to him.
And Ferrer is Nadal's lap dog how? Ferrer is a fighter, a hard working overachiever, and he's never bent over for Rafa (unlike some of the bigger names.)

purge
06-03-2012, 10:15 PM
id give ferrer a fighting chance if it was HC. clay? no.
murray looked great last year and hes played successful against nadal in slam matches before. but only on HC as well.
still hes the only one who id give more than a 0 % chance to take it to nadal in his half of the draw. after all if they meet it will only be the SF so no reason for him to choke his heart out. but still he had like 18 BPs last year and couldnt even take it to 4.

you know nadal can pretty much only beat himself when a 30 YO federer is his greatest danger at the french open

OldFedIsOld
06-03-2012, 10:31 PM
you know nadal can pretty much only beat himself when a 30 YO federer is his greatest danger at the french open

Looks like Fed should start pushing against him :)

sbengte
06-03-2012, 10:46 PM
you know nadal can pretty much only beat himself when a 30 YO federer is his greatest danger at the french open

Weak clay era is weak.

Matheson
06-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Nadal has had it too cruisy this week, I believe when he starts running into strong competitors he will crush under the pressure.

firepanda
06-03-2012, 11:00 PM
I'm not entirely sure if this is a serious analysis, or if you're a Fed fanatic trying to jinx Rafa's chances. I'm sorry, but TW has made me suspicious of anyone not including Rafa and some form of abuse in the same sentence.

roysid
06-03-2012, 11:00 PM
Djoko has to go to his 2011 form to have any chance against Nadal. Rest no chance

Sentinel
06-03-2012, 11:13 PM
I'm not entirely sure if this is a serious analysis, or if you're a Fed fanatic trying to jinx Rafa's chances. I'm sorry, but TW has made me suspicious of anyone not including Rafa and some form of abuse in the same sentence.
10 x Lol
Nadal has had it too cruisy this week, I believe when he starts running into strong competitors he will crush under the pressure.
Who might these strong competitors be ? Tsonga ?
Murray/RG ?
Boys from the local club - Granola/Ferrer/Mugro ?

TennisLovaLova
06-03-2012, 11:21 PM
We need a good ferrer and a good murray to slow down the spanish bull otherwise the title is in his pocket
Given the level of play of Djoko and RF, there's no way Nadal wouldnt destroy them in the final

roysid
06-04-2012, 12:48 AM
I'm not entirely sure if this is a serious analysis, or if you're a Fed fanatic trying to jinx Rafa's chances. I'm sorry, but TW has made me suspicious of anyone not including Rafa and some form of abuse in the same sentence.
I'd say this is casual analysis based on observation. I don't believe hexes and jinxes work, but I'd be glad to :)

Flash O'Groove
06-04-2012, 01:13 AM
To Rafa's luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck of the draw even Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych are all on the other side.

Honestly, if one or all of them were on Rafa side, which one would be more frightening to Nadal? Nadal's draw seems easy because it is his draw. Had Almagro, Monaco, Ferrer fallen into the draw of Federer or Djokovic, they would have seemed dangerous (especially considering the current level of Fed and Djoko)

Nadal has had it too cruisy this week, I believe when he starts running into strong competitors he will crush under the pressure.

Yes he could have some though matches, but Nadal don't crush under the pressure that often at Roland Garros.

mellowyellow
06-04-2012, 02:15 AM
People overlooking the fact that Schwank took 8 games off Rafa? That the last set was a 6-4? Hmm, good thaing it was a 192 ranked doubles specialist and not someone playing like a Delpo or Seppi in the form we saw yesterday. Good thing the "luck" of the draw keep those guys away from Nadal. His draws seem easy because they are, ITS A FACT. Their is not 1 time in in his playing history that you even remotely say Rafa had a stacked draw. Its like they picked all of his players first, then filled in the other 3 quarters with what was left....

clayqueen
06-04-2012, 02:40 AM
People overlooking the fact that Schwank took 8 games off Rafa? That the last set was a 6-4? Hmm, good thaing it was a 192 ranked doubles specialist and not someone playing like a Delpo or Seppi in the form we saw yesterday. Good thing the "luck" of the draw keep those guys away from Nadal. His draws seem easy because they are, ITS A FACT. Their is not 1 time in in his playing history that you even remotely say Rafa had a stacked draw. Its like they picked all of his players first, then filled in the other 3 quarters with what was left....

I think you made the case yourself that any draw looks easy BECAUSE it's Nadal's. You can swap the bottom half for the top half and it would still look easy. Check the clay results between Nadal and Berdych, Delpo, Tsonga and Federer and tell me which one would be guaranteed to beat Rafa on clay.

vive le beau jeu !
06-04-2012, 02:55 AM
a thread like this without clarky's views ???

Rhino
06-04-2012, 03:00 AM
So far it's all going Federer's way, and the way of all the players who haven't lost yet.

Ferrer looks good out there. i'd love it if he could finally do a Verdasco and bring it against Nadal.

gold soundz
06-04-2012, 03:02 AM
People overlooking the fact that Schwank took 8 games off Rafa? That the last set was a 6-4? Hmm, good thaing it was a 192 ranked doubles specialist and not someone playing like a Delpo or Seppi in the form we saw yesterday. Good thing the "luck" of the draw keep those guys away from Nadal. His draws seem easy because they are, ITS A FACT. Their is not 1 time in in his playing history that you even remotely say Rafa had a stacked draw. Its like they picked all of his players first, then filled in the other 3 quarters with what was left....

You do realize that the top players have certain "gears" which they play in depending on what's necessary...right?

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 03:04 AM
Is there any grand slam tournament with such a foregone conclusion in first week itself.

Rafa is brutal as devil in his matches. Whereas when I saw Djokovic playing it looks like the djoker of 2009. Can't win rallies with confidence. It was some luck that he didn't get ousted against Seppi. Same for Federer.

To Rafa's luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck of the draw even Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych are all on the other side.

Does anyone really think that FO men's can have any other result.

On women's, as usual it's anyone's game. But Sharapova has a golden chance here.

But did you see Nadal vs Tsonga Davis Cup last year on clay? 6-0, 6-2, 6-4. Total mismatch.

And Berdych has lost to Nadal 11 straight times (and only 3 of those were on clay). Another total mismatch.

Del Potro, a better matchup but it would be borderline as to whether he even takes a set.

I think Almagro is a bigger threat than Del Potro, Berdych and Tsonga. So Nadal got the toughest QF he could. Almagro almost stretched Nadal to 4 sets at 2010 Roland Garros quarter-final. It was an extremely close match all the way and I wouldn't be surprised if Almagro wins a set vs Nadal this week.

And in the semis, Murray last year had 18 breakpoints on Nadal's serve. I think Murray has more "upside" when he plays Nadal than Federer does. We haven't seen the best of Murray on clay yet, it's only the beginning for him.

We've seen all that Federer has to offer, and Federer has never stretched Nadal to 5 sets at Roland Garros, and last year Nadal won 6-1 in the 4th set at a time when Nadal was playing the worst I've seen him play on clay, ever (worse than 2009).

Rhino
06-04-2012, 03:06 AM
^^^ You act like nobody ever beats Nadal. It does happen you know. Even on clay.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 03:08 AM
^^^ You act like nobody ever beats Nadal. It does happen you know. Even on clay.

But best of 5 sets on clay? You have to win 3 sets. Almost impossible. And the one guy who did that, Soderling, Nadal has maimed twice at Roland Garros since.

Rhino
06-04-2012, 03:29 AM
But best of 5 sets on clay? You have to win 3 sets. Almost impossible. And the one guy who did that, Soderling, Nadal has maimed twice at Roland Garros since.

Have you thought about what you're going to do with your life after Nadal retires?

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 03:34 AM
Have you thought about what you're going to do with your life after Nadal retires?

Choose a new favorite player, like everyone else does with each new era. But tennis isn't "life". It's not even an occupation, for me anyway.

CMM
06-04-2012, 03:37 AM
Almagro and Ferrer haven't lost a set yet. And Murray's back seems fine now.
Meanwhile injured Del Potro and Berdych have to come out and continue their match today, and the winner will have no day of rest before the QF against Fed.
Now who's the lucky one?

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 03:41 AM
Almagro and Ferrer haven't lost a set yet. And Murray's back seems fine now.
Meanwhile injured Del Potro and Berdych have to come out and continue their match today, and the winner will have no day of rest before the QF against Fed.
Now who's the lucky one?

I agree, I think Almagro vs Nadal will be close. They met at 2010 Roland Garros QF and Nadal won 7-6 7-6 6-4. That is crazy close for a Nadal clay match.

Feather
06-04-2012, 03:57 AM
Have you thought about what you're going to do with your life after Nadal retires?

This is the post of the month :)

Flash O'Groove
06-04-2012, 04:03 AM
Now who's the lucky one?

Please, the thread is not about who has the luckiest draw, it only acknoledge that the level of play of Nadal is frightening. No need to go to the Fed-Nadal war.

zagor
06-04-2012, 04:11 AM
Almagro and Ferrer haven't lost a set yet.

Even Ferrer in great form is still much less of a threat in a slam SF than Novak or Fed even if they barely get there.

Almagro? Seriously, did the guy ever took even a set off any of the top 3 in a slam? Either of Berdych or Delpo is a much bigger threat to top players.

And Murray's back seems fine now.

And you know for a fact it won't flare up again? Anyway Murray's not a great CC player(yet anyway), clay is his worst surface. Even if he wasn't injured he's not exactly a safe pick to reach FO SF and is less of a threat than either Fed or Novak on clay.

Meanwhile injured Del Potro and Berdych...

Isn't Murray injured as well? Anyway I'd consider even an injured Delpo or Berdman to be a bigger threat to top guys than Almagro.

...have to come out and continue their match today, and the winner will have no day of rest before the QF against Fed.

It is a handicap, especially if they go 5 sets or something, Fed got lucky there (though considering his lousy form it might not be enough).

Now who's the lucky one?

Hard to say, personally I'd consider Tsonga (even though it's clay) and Berdyc/Delpo to be more dangerous slam QF opponents than Almagro and Federer/Novak to be tougher potential SF opponents than an injured Murray or Ferrer (30 year old who never reached a FO SF).

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 04:15 AM
Berdych has now lost 11 straight matches to Nadal. And only 3 were on clay. The easiest possible QF for Nadal is Berdych.

Almagro played Nadal in the 2010 Roland Garros QF. The score was 7-6 7-6 6-4. That is one of the most difficult matches Nadal has ever played (and that was an in-form Nadal).

vive le beau jeu !
06-04-2012, 04:15 AM
Now who's the lucky one?
i like the "now" in this sentence... :)

CMM
06-04-2012, 04:20 AM
I think Rafa would rather play against Berdych, Tsonga or Del Potro than against Almagro or Ferrer.
The matches would be prettier too. Rafa-Ferrer matches are always horrible.

zagor
06-04-2012, 04:21 AM
Berdych has now lost 11 straight matches to Nadal. And only 3 were on clay. The easiest possible QF for Nadal is Berdych.

Berdych was one point away from having a 2-0 set lead over Nadal at AO so I wouldn't exactly say it's the easiest possible QF.

Regarding Delpo, the last time he played Nadal in a BO5 match on clay, he served to push the match to 5 sets.

Almagro has never proved his mettle against any top player in a slam, period.

Almagro played Nadal in the 2010 Roland Garros QF. The score was 7-6 7-6 6-4. That is one of the most difficult matches Nadal has ever played (and that was an in-form Nadal).

LOL, no.

zagor
06-04-2012, 04:27 AM
I think Rafa would rather play against Berdych, Tsonga or Del Potro than against Almagro or Ferrer.

I sincerely doubt that, I'd wager any top player would rather face Almagro in QF compared to Berdych, Delpo or Tsonga and Ferrer/Murray in SF compared to Fed/Novak.

Again, Almagro is a non threat to top player in slams, clay is Murray's worst surface and Ferrer never reached a FO SF in his career.

None of this matters all that much, Nadal would have won the FO this year regardless of the draw, he's by far the best CC, he's in excellent form and the next two best claycourters on tour (Fed and Novak) are in overall horrible form.

The matches would be prettier too. Rafa-Ferrer matches are always horrible.

Depends on whom you ask.

Flash O'Groove
06-04-2012, 04:34 AM
Hard to say, personally I'd consider Tsonga (even though it's clay) and Berdyc/Delpo to be more dangerous slam QF opponents than Almagro and Federer/Novak to be tougher potential SF opponents than an injured Murray or Ferrer (30 year old who never reached a FO SF).

Del Potro, Berdych and Tsonga are more dangerous than Almagro, but none of them is really a treat to Nadal no?

Federer being less consistent than before and having lost against big hitter in quarterfinal three time (Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga), Berdych or Del Potro could be a threat against him, but not against Nadal.

Gorecki
06-04-2012, 04:35 AM
Choose a new favorite player, like everyone else does with each new era. But tennis isn't "life". It's not even an occupation, for me anyway.

not surprising...

Magnus
06-04-2012, 04:37 AM
I agree, I think Almagro vs Nadal will be close. They met at 2010 Roland Garros QF and Nadal won 7-6 7-6 6-4. That is crazy close for a Nadal clay match.

You can always count on Al-mug-ro to choke on SPs and BPs.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 05:06 AM
Nothing has gone his way,and he will not make the final. It's for the best anyway because he will just take another beating from Rolaids should he even get there.

mellowyellow
06-04-2012, 05:26 AM
I think you made the case yourself that any draw looks easy BECAUSE it's Nadal's. You can swap the bottom half for the top half and it would still look easy. Check the clay results between Nadal and Berdych, Delpo, Tsonga and Federer and tell me which one would be guaranteed to beat Rafa on clay.

Its not about beating, Rafa for me in the sense you are thinking. Its about making him earn the tourney. It is eay to be the guy that watches everyone around you have tough matches and beat each other up. Ask yourself, how he would be sitting if he played Seppi for th 4hrs. Yeah djoko played not so great, but Seppi was not giving anything away. This is NAds storyline, playing guys who have had long matches because of fixed draws.

Feather
06-04-2012, 05:30 AM
I sincerely doubt that, I'd wager any top player would rather face Almagro in QF compared to Berdych, Delpo or Tsonga and Ferrer/Murray in SF compared to Fed/Novak.

Again, Almagro is a non threat to top player in slams, clay is Murray's worst surface and Ferrer never reached a FO SF in his career.

None of this matters all that much, Nadal would have won the FO this year regardless of the draw, he's by far the best CC, he's in excellent form and the next two best claycourters on tour (Fed and Novak) are in overall horrible form.


Very well said. I doubt any top player would want to play Berdych, Delpo or Tsonga in a QF instead of Almagro/Tipsy

sureshs
06-04-2012, 05:30 AM
Rafa is just a better player than all the others

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 05:35 AM
Very well said. I doubt any top player would want to play Berdych, Delpo or Tsonga in a QF instead of Almagro/Tipsy


No way. Almagro is playing better than any of those guys,and has not lost a single set. The same can be said for Ferrer,and they both just so happen to be in Nadal's half of the draw. And Tsonga is no threat on clay. He will not even take a set against Rolaids. As for Delpo,he is Fed's pigeon. No more needs to be said about that.


I also have a feeling that both Almagro and Ferrer would be perceived as a huge threat if they fell in the the other half of the draw. I wonder why that is?

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 05:36 AM
Rafa is just a better player than all the others


No he's not. He will lose in the quarter to Almagro,or in the semi to Ferrer.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 05:38 AM
Very well said. I doubt any top player would want to play Berdych, Delpo or Tsonga in a QF instead of Almagro/Tipsy

Nadal vs Tsonga on clay Davis Cup 2011 = 6-0, 6-2, 6-4
Nadal vs Almagro at Roland Garros 2010 = 7-6, 7-6, 6-4

And 2010 Nadal was a lot better than 2011 Nadal.

Sentinel
06-04-2012, 05:45 AM
Rafa is just a better player than all the others
That sure explains all of last year.

Federererer
06-04-2012, 05:46 AM
Why is anyone even watching? Just give the trophy to Nadal and start looking towards Wimbledon.

Mike Sams
06-04-2012, 05:52 AM
Why is anyone even watching? Just give the trophy to Nadal and start looking towards Wimbledon.

You mean Halle where we could have Federer, Djokovic and Nadal all playing in the tune up to Wimbledon.:)

augustobt
06-04-2012, 05:53 AM
And 2010 Nadal was a lot better than 2011 Nadal.

No, You're wrong.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 05:54 AM
Why is anyone even watching? Just give the trophy to Nadal and start looking towards Wimbledon.


Nope. Why give the trophy to someone who stands no chance at winning it? I think we should give it to Rolaids and move on to Wimby. He's already won it anyway.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 05:55 AM
No, You're wrong.


For once,********* is right.

augustobt
06-04-2012, 05:59 AM
Nadal 2011 was way muck better than 2010. The point is that he faced an outrageous Novak Djokovic.

Federererer
06-04-2012, 06:01 AM
Nope. Why give the trophy to someone who stands no chance at winning it? I think we should give it to Rolaids and move on to Wimby. He's already won it anyway.

But you already said he stands no chance of beating Almagro.

chrischris
06-04-2012, 06:04 AM
Rafa is just a better player than all the others

On red clay.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 06:05 AM
But you already said he stands no chance of beating Almagro.


What? I said that Nadal isn't winning it. Rolaids will win it,which is why I said they should just give him the trophy and move on.

mellowyellow
06-04-2012, 06:06 AM
No way. Almagro is playing better than any of those guys,and has not lost a single set. The same can be said for Ferrer,and they both just so happen to be in Nadal's half of the draw. And Tsonga is no threat on clay. He will not even take a set against Rolaids. As for Delpo,he is Fed's pigeon. No more needs to be said about that.


I also have a feeling that both Almagro and Ferrer would be perceived as a huge threat if they fell in the the other half of the draw. I wonder why that is?

Almagro, possibly, but not Ferrer, even with Murray not playing great, he is still a better player with a better resume. He is also a better big match player, Almagro could but not likely breakout with a big win and much more dangerous off both wings in general. Reality though tells you no they do not make any draw dangerous in a Slam.

Tony48
06-04-2012, 06:19 AM
Nope. Why give the trophy to someone who stands no chance at winning it? I think we should give it to Rolaids and move on to Wimby. He's already won it anyway.

I agree. Nadal will definitely cruise to the final and probably win it from there.

Federererer
06-04-2012, 06:23 AM
What? I said that Nadal isn't winning it. Rolaids will win it,which is why I said they should just give him the trophy and move on.

Here you go.

No way. Almagro is playing better than any of those guys,and has not lost a single set.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 06:28 AM
2011 is the worst Nadal has ever played on clay, by a mile. Worse than 2009. And that had a big impact on his confidence level at Wimbledon and for the remainder of the year. Djokovic 1.0, 1.5, 2.0 has no hope of beating 2010 Nadal at any of the slams. Fortunately, 2012 Nadal is playing even better than 2010 Nadal. Nadal regained his top form at Monte Carlo, just as he did in 2010 after a sub-par 2009.

Flash O'Groove
06-04-2012, 06:29 AM
Nadal 2011 was way muck better than 2010. The point is that he faced an outrageous Novak Djokovic.

How do you know?

tudwell
06-04-2012, 06:31 AM
Everyone thought 2009 was a foregone conclusion, too. Let the men get out there and play their matches. We could be in for some surprises.

augustobt
06-04-2012, 06:32 AM
2011 is the worst Nadal has ever played on clay, by a mile. Worse than 2009. And that had a big impact on his confidence level at Wimbledon and for the remainder of the year. Djokovic 1.0, 1.5, 2.0 has no hope of beating 2010 Nadal at any of the slams. Fortunately, 2012 Nadal is playing even better than 2010 Nadal. Nadal regained his top form at Monte Carlo, just as he did in 2010 after a sub-par 2009.

By your logic, Nadal was defeated because he was playing worse. Now he is better because he is winning.

That makes a lot of sense.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 07:37 AM
By your logic, Nadal was defeated because he was playing worse. Now he is better because he is winning.

That makes a lot of sense.

Nadal was playing defensively last year and not going down the line enough. This year he is changing direction of the ball frequently, as he did in 2010. You only have to watch his matches to notice this. I guess you don't watch Nadal. Also his serve is also a lot better this year (and he is varying the direction more, as a journalist pointed out after the Monte Carlo final, revealing a completely different serving pattern to 2011). But mainly its his commitment to risk and going down the line more often.

Nadal had no confidence in 2011. It may have begun at Miami and Indian Wells. He looked confident in those events, but lost to Djokovic in nail-biters in both, including a 3rd set tie-breaker in the Miami final. Ever since then Nadal went into a defensive shell, and I consider 2011 the worst year of his career on clay, by far. And that has nothing to do with results and everything to do with his lack of confidence on the court. Nadal looked shakier than ever in the Wimbledon final, and lost every big point. He swept Djokovic 6-1 in the 3rd set, but as soon as it got tight again, Nadal's confidence was nowhere to be seen.

He gradually built his aggression back up in the 2012 AO final, stretching Djokovic to 6 hours on Djokovic's favorite slam surface (the surface Nadal had lost in the QF of 2 years in a row), but still was unable to deliver the knockout blow. Truly though, Djokovic should win the AO more times than Nadal, because Nadal has never looked great at the AO (almost lost to Verdsaso in 2009 and actually lost more points than Federer in the final despite winning). Nadal wasn't truly back until Monte Carlo, because a Nadal revival always begins on clay, as it did in early 2010.

augustobt
06-04-2012, 07:42 AM
That doesn't make sense as long as the slow high-bouncing court of Australia suits Nadal's game way more then the USO one.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 07:49 AM
That doesn't make sense as long as the slow high-bouncing court of Australia suits Nadal's game way more then the USO one.

I've said it a hundred times- nothing hurts Nadal more than long rallies on hardcourts. Hardcourts are the absolute cause of Nadal's knee tendinitis problems. The US Open allows Nadal to hit through the court and end points quicker with the serve and forehand. The Australian Open has many 30-40 shot rallies and that is what has destroyed Nadal nearly every year of his career. 30-40 shot rallies are fine on clay and grass. But suicide on hardcourt. Forget high-bounce, it is irrelevant if Nadal can't complete the matches with his knees still functioning.

Even when he won the AO in 2009, he was ruined physically by the time the clay season arrived. In 2010 Nadal retired hurt at the AO vs Murray. And the 2011 AO Nadal tore a muscle vs Ferrer and played out the match with no spring in his step. The AO is poison for Nadal, and I hope he skips that slam every year.

Even this year, notice how Nadal pulled out of Miami? Reached the semis but pulled out. Why? Because the AO damaged him so much that despite having all of February off, he had nothing left for Indian Wells/Miami. Nadal then got platelet treatment before Monte Carlo and has been fine since. Same thing happened in 2010, he got platelet treatment at the beginning of the clay season and then won the next 3 slams.

augustobt
06-04-2012, 07:52 AM
That's strange, because the only chances of Nadal winning Aussie were exactly the change from RA to Plexi...

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 07:57 AM
That's strange, because the only chances of Nadal winning Aussie were exactly the change from RA to Plexi...

Nobody doubts that Nadal can win the AO. He will probably win it again. But he will win it with tendinitis killing him. Nadal already spoke about how banged up his knees were when he won the AO in 2009. He can still win, but he has to win in pain. So what is the point? Why not just skip it? He won't skip it because he knows he can win it, and he wants to win every slam title on offer. RA and Plexi both promote long baseline rallies, because its slower than the US Open. The longer the rallies, the more damage will be done to Nadal's knees, because long rallies on hardcourt are the worst thing for Nadal. Long rallies on clay, are heaven for Nadal.

augustobt
06-04-2012, 07:59 AM
It's funny.

Nadal is always injuried, but he chase every ball. If he wins the point, he react like he have just won the match (even if the point was won in an opponent UE). But if he lost the point, he start to put the hand over the knee. And if he lost the match, wasn't opponent merits but his injury that didn't allowed him to finish the match.

Always the same script.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 08:00 AM
It's funny.

Nadal is always injuried, but he chase every ball. If he wins the point, he react like he have just won the match (even if the point was won in an opponent UE). But if he lost the point, he start to put the hand over the knee. And if he lost the match, wasn't opponent merits but his injury that didn't allowed him to finish the match.

Always the same script.

No you just lied. Nadal doesn't put his hand on his knee after losing points. Not sure where you get that from. Yes, always the same script at the Australian Open. I already explained why. But go and watch the 6 hour 2012 AO final, and you will not find one instance of Nadal grabbing his knee. He did that in March instead. He tried to play Miami and the pain was too much, so he withdrew and got the required platelet treatment.

A lot of people thought Nadal would retire by age 26. Those same people are criticizing Nadal for having knee tendinitis and 'using it as an excuse'. Go figure.

Tony48
06-04-2012, 08:04 AM
2011 is the worst Nadal has ever played on clay, by a mile. Worse than 2009. And that had a big impact on his confidence level at Wimbledon and for the remainder of the year. Djokovic 1.0, 1.5, 2.0 has no hope of beating 2010 Nadal at any of the slams. Fortunately, 2012 Nadal is playing even better than 2010 Nadal. Nadal regained his top form at Monte Carlo, just as he did in 2010 after a sub-par 2009.

Yes, and the sky isn't blue.

See. I can make statements without backing them up, too.

augustobt
06-04-2012, 08:14 AM
No you just lied. Nadal doesn't put his hand on his knee after losing points. Not sure where you get that from. Yes, always the same script at the Australian Open. I already explained why. But go and watch the 6 hour 2012 AO final, and you will not find one instance of Nadal grabbing his knee. He did that in March instead. He tried to play Miami and the pain was too much, so he withdrew and got the required platelet treatment.

A lot of people thought Nadal would retire by age 26. Those same people are criticizing Nadal for having knee tendinitis and 'using it as an excuse'. Go figure.
I'm not lying, pal. I do watch the matches instead of commenting based on the livescores and wikipedia.

Magnetite
06-04-2012, 08:44 AM
People generally think of Delpo, Berdych and Tsonga as more difficult opponents, due to the fact that they are big hitters. Also, these guys have been to grand slam finals before.

Everyone knows that if a big hitter is on, they can blow even Nadal, Djokovic and Federer off the court (as long as they can keep it up for at least 3 sets out of 5).

Players like Ferrer won't blow the top 3 off the court. Instead he has to rely on his consistency and hope that the top 3 are slightly off their games.

That's why Soderling upset Nadal and Federer at FO.

Almagro falls in between Delpo and Co. and Ferrer. He can be aggressive and has a relatively big serve, but he's not a proven contender in the majors.

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 09:06 AM
6-2 6-0 6-0
Monaco, thanx for playing...
Nadal's draw is the ultimate joke for a gs

christinamaniac7
06-04-2012, 09:12 AM
This thread is funny cause the OP thinks the likes of tsonga or berdych or JMDP would have had a chance to even take rafa to 5!!!

christinamaniac7
06-04-2012, 09:16 AM
6-2 6-0 6-0
Monaco, thanx for playing...
Nadal's draw is the ultimate joke for a gs

Man, rafa is blowing everyone up on clay atm and you guys still think his draw does matter at all??

At least his draw has been much better than fed's to get LLs...

mandy01
06-04-2012, 09:19 AM
6-2 6-0 6-0
Monaco, thanx for playing...
Nadal's draw is the ultimate joke for a gs

No, it's not. That he lost eight games to Schwank illustrates how hard El Martir is having to work :rolleyes: And of course, we can always count on clarky21 and those who quote her to tell us exactly how, Nadal will still not be making the finals. :)

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 09:19 AM
Man, rafa is blowing everyone up on clay atm and you guys still think his draw does matter at all??

At least his draw has been much better than fed's to get LLs...

He's playing in a weak clay era. Double bagel in a GS 1/8 finals? Vs a so called clay specialist?!!!! What a joke

christinamaniac7
06-04-2012, 09:34 AM
He's playing in a weak clay era. Double bagel in a GS 1/8 finals? Vs a so called clay specialist?!!!! What a joke

Well I guess everyone knows that rafa is the best Clay courter of all time or at least one of the top two just next to borg, So anyway you take it he is superior to others at least on clay!!

Why don't you take it that rafa is far superior to others instead of bringing up the so called ERA subject?

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 09:47 AM
Rafa is not superior. The context favors him the most. Always.

christinamaniac7
06-04-2012, 09:53 AM
You mean The context favors him for 8 years?? :shock:

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 09:58 AM
Rafa is not superior. The context favors him the most. Always.



And they didn't favor Fed on grass when he was dominating Wimby? Just who did Fed have on grass to challenge him except a one dimensional dirt baller named Nadal? Looks like Fed has had it pretty d*mn easy himself.

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 11:38 AM
Nadal won in 08 only because federer had mono

Nadal wins only because he's lefty, otherwise we'd never hear about him

Omega_7000
06-04-2012, 11:52 AM
Nadal won in 08 only because federer had mono

Nadal wins only because he's lefty, otherwise we'd never hear about him

You sound like a Nadal fan in disguise...


http://kingsenglish.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/wolf_in_sheeps_clothing1.jpg

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 12:09 PM
I do my best to adapt

roysid
06-04-2012, 11:23 PM
Monaco 6-2 6-0 6-0 drubbing.

Almagro hopefully fights better. And pray its fully fit Murray instead of Ferrer. Ferrer has no weapons to hurt Nadal

roysid
06-04-2012, 11:24 PM
Honestly, if one or all of them were on Rafa side, which one would be more frightening to Nadal? Nadal's draw seems easy because it is his draw. Had Almagro, Monaco, Ferrer fallen into the draw of Federer or Djokovic, they would have seemed dangerous (especially considering the current level of Fed and Djoko)



Yes he could have some though matches, but Nadal don't crush under the pressure that often at Roland Garros.
Nadal would still have won if Berdych, Del Potro, Tsonga were on his side. But atleast big hitter can give him some fight instead of dirt ballers