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octogon
06-04-2012, 08:39 AM
Just wondering. Because the way both of them are playing right now, I fully expect a straight sets destruction of Nole by Rafa in the final.

The mental hold Nole had after Rafa is gone after the wins in Monte Carlo and Rome. And Nadal is in destructive clay court form.

I feel Nadal is on the verge of doing to Nole, what Nole did to him last year. Which is establishing a mental hold over Nole that he will be unable to break for awhile.

Is it in Nole's best interests to avoid Nadal on his best surface right now, and try and regroup for Wimbledon? Because a drubbing by Nadal in the French Open final will give him some serious mental scars. Nadal's belief will grow, and Nole's will wane. And that will affect the rest of his season (we all saw what consecutive finals losses to the same guy did to Nadal last year).

Anyway you look at it, it's a fascinating see-sawing rivalry. When one is slightly more confident, they tend to have the advantadge.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 08:58 AM
Well, I've been praying for Federer's elimination since day one. So I suspect the answer to your question is, yes.

OverratedIvanovic
06-04-2012, 09:14 AM
Lets not get too confident. Nole is bidding for 4 in a row, a feat thats not been achieved even by the GOAT. For sure he will be hungry no? Moreover Djokovic is no Monaco. Although he looked off color vs Seppi but everyday is not an off day no? I think it will be a 5 setter if they meet with Nadal prevailing (fingers crossed :neutral:)

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 09:16 AM
With such high bounce, such slow conditions, it's a miracle if someone else wins rg this year...
Nadal wins only because he's lefty and also cause he's using something drug tests dont detect

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 09:21 AM
With such high bounce, such slow conditions, it's a miracle if someone else wins rg this year...
Nadal wins only because he's lefty and also cause he's using something drug tests dont detect

Yep, its called intelligence.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 09:23 AM
I think it's the other way around.

TennisLovaLova
06-04-2012, 09:24 AM
Yep, its called intelligence.

Call it what you like
He's playing in a weak clay era with slow court conditions and slow balls

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 09:26 AM
Call it what you like
He's playing in a weak clay era with slow court conditions and slow balls

Not as slow as the 1990s. I often feel cheated when I see how slow the conditions were back then. Nadal would not have lost to Soderling on 1990s RG. The era you are witnessing now is the fastest conditions Roland Garros has ever seen.

octogon
06-04-2012, 09:28 AM
I think it's the other way around.

Not really. 2011 is over. Nadal has figured out Djoker (it took Djoker damn near 6 hours to beat Nadal on his best surface in Australia) and everything looks to be going Nadal's way. If Nadal beats Djoker in the next slam final, it'll open the floodgates. Wimbledon, Olympics, US Open. He'll be hard to stop.

Djoker isn't even a certainty to make the FO final. Nadal is.

To be honest, I think all Nadal fans should be grateful to Djoker. Djoker is just adding to Nadal's legend. Nadal needed another true "great" to overcome (to show he wasn't able to take down Federer just because of match-up issues), and Djoker provided him that challenge. In the end, Nadal being able to resist Djoker's challenge will strengthen his GOAT credentials.

Evan77
06-04-2012, 09:33 AM
another silly thread, but hey ... Djoko is a champ. why would he want to avoid Rafa? Djoko wants to win RG. your logic doesn't make any sense. I'm sure Novak will raise his game if he gets to play him. however, neither Novak or Rafa are in the final (not yet) ... some of you guys just love assuming ***** ... boring ...

and of course, I have to read all of this nonsense that *** is posting.

Evan77
06-04-2012, 09:38 AM
Not really. 2011 is over. Nadal has figured out Djoker (it took Djoker damn near 6 hours to beat Nadal on his best surface in Australia) and everything looks to be going Nadal's way. If Nadal beats Djoker in the next slam final, it'll open the floodgates. Wimbledon, Olympics, US Open. He'll be hard to stop.

Djoker isn't even a certainty to make the FO final. Nadal is.
is this ***'s brother? how exactly has Nadal figured out Novak? Could you please share your 'extensive tennis knowledge with us'. gee

honest to God, most of you Rafa fans (respect to true Rafa fans) are the biggest morons ever. you know nothing about tennis, yet you throw your stupid comments at us that don't make any sense ...

octogon
06-04-2012, 09:41 AM
another silly thread, but hey ... Djoko is a champ. why would he want to avoid Rafa? Djoko wants to win RG. your logic doesn't make any sense. I'm sure Novak will raise his game if he gets to play him. however, neither Novak or Rafa are in the final (not yet) ... some of you guys just love assuming ***** ... boring ...

and of course, I have to read all of this nonsense that *** is posting.

I think Novak is a realist. He'll look at his form and Nadal's form and know that he'll probably have only a 10% chance to win (if Nadal plays nervous). Realisticaly, the "Nole slam" isn't happening. So he should concentrate on trying to win the other slams and the Olympics this year, instead of letting Nadal get more confidence by beating him in a slam final.

Novak will have other chances to get the career grand slam (Nadal may get upset or play worse in future French Opens). But I've never seen Nadal this confident and this good over the first 4 rounds of the French. And that's scary, because he's already won the tournament 6 times.

Sentinel
06-04-2012, 09:55 AM
I don't see how you can avoid mental scars by avoiding someone. That itself means you have mental scars. If Nole is to get mental scars by being beaten in one slam, avoiding him isn't going to reduce the scars.

Running away from the battlefield doesn't renew or retain your confidence.

Whatever. you get the point.

Djokodal Fan
06-04-2012, 09:55 AM
I think Novak is a realist. He'll look at his form and Nadal's form and know that he'll probably have only a 10% chance to win (if Nadal plays nervous). Realisticaly, the "Nole slam" isn't happening. So he should concentrate on trying to win the other slams and the Olympics this year, instead of letting Nadal get more confidence by beating him in a slam final.

Novak will have other chances to get the career grand slam (Nadal may get upset or play worse in future French Opens). But I've never seen Nadal this confident and this good over the first 4 rounds of the French. And that's scary, because he's already won the tournament 6 times.

you think he'll tank one of his two matches and avoid Nadal so he can have an edge when plays wimbledon

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Evan77
06-04-2012, 09:58 AM
I think Novak is a realist. He'll look at his form and Nadal's form and know that he'll probably have only a 10% chance to win (if Nadal plays nervous). Realisticaly, the "Nole slam" isn't happening. So he should concentrate on trying to win the other slams and the Olympics this year, instead of letting Nadal get more confidence by beating him in a slam final.

Novak will have other chances to get the career grand slam (Nadal may get upset or play worse in future French Opens). But I've never seen Nadal this confident and this good over the first 4 rounds of the French. And that's scary, because he's already won the tournament 6 times.
blah, blah and more blah ... you are assuming too many things. nothing is given ... you've never seen Nadal being so confident 'over first 4 rounds as you put it', whatever man, you don't know what you are talking about.

TheF1Bob
06-04-2012, 10:01 AM
This thread is just nonsesne. Nole will defeat Nadal for the Championship. Deal with it.

pabletion
06-04-2012, 10:09 AM
Not me... Im DYING to see a Nole-Nadal meeting at Roland Garros.........................

Cant wait!

ViscaB
06-04-2012, 10:10 AM
This thread is just nonsesne. Nole will defeat Nadal for the Championship. Deal with it.

Nonsesne:).

tangerine
06-04-2012, 10:14 AM
Why would a Nole fan pray for such a thing?

Unlike Federer, Djokovic is capable of beating Nadal.

PetSounds
06-04-2012, 10:15 AM
I would like to see somebody at least give Naboo a challenge. Right now he's just opening up a boulangerie on peoples asses.

Mike Sams
06-04-2012, 10:19 AM
You're going to see the difference between a useless Slam clown like Monaco who has only been past the 3rd round of a Slam 2 times in his entire life compared to the world #1 and 5 time Grand Slam champion Djokovic.:)
Djokovic is going for the career Slam and the Rafa Slam at the same time. If you think Nadal will have anywhere near the confidence against Djokovic as he showed against the little lightweight Monaco who is a useless clown with no weapons, you're in for a shock.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves though. Still more matches to be played before either can meet.

christinamaniac7
06-04-2012, 10:21 AM
This thread is just nonsesne. Nole will defeat Nadal for the Championship. Deal with it.

You can only dream of that...:)

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 10:23 AM
You're going to see the difference between a useless Slam clown like Monaco who has only been past the 3rd round of a Slam 2 times in his entire life compared to the world #1 and 5 time Grand Slam champion Djokovic.:)
Djokovic is going for the career Slam and the Rafa Slam at the same time. If you think Nadal will have anywhere near the confidence against Djokovic as he showed against the little lightweight Monaco who is a useless clown with no weapons, you're in for a shock.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves though. Still more matches to be played before either can meet.

Well, Nadal has played 4 sets vs Djokovic since the Australian Open. 6-3, 6-1 and then 7-5, 6-3. And I think Nadal is playing better now than he was in those 2 events. Djokovic meanwhile, doesn't look any better of late.

Mike Sams
06-04-2012, 10:34 AM
Well, Nadal has played 4 sets vs Djokovic since the Australian Open. 6-3, 6-1 and then 7-5, 6-3. And I think Nadal is playing better now than he was in those 2 events. Djokovic meanwhile, doesn't look any better of late.

True, Djokovic hasn't looked phenomenal overall although he has looked formidable in parts but not consistently whereas Nadal has looked consistently solid throughout whole tournaments besides Madrid which wasn't red clay so we can give Nadal a pass.
But I do believe that when the final comes around and Djokovic is on the other side of the net, naturally the motivation levels and desire to win will increase to new levels for both competitors. Now that's providing IF they both meet in the final which is no guarantee whatsoever.
But there is no way that, no matter how spirited a warrior Rafa is, that he is not thinking about the last 3 Grand Slam finals which he lost against Djokovic. Nadal is going for history with 7 RG titles, surpassing Borg. But Nadal is ALSO going to find himself being a part of history which he DOES NOT want to be a part of.
Rafa CAN NOT afford to be the first man ever in the history of tennis to lose 4 consecutive Slams across 3 surfaces to the same player!:shock:
Nadal needs to beat Djokovic and with all the pressure of this match, I believe Nadal is going to be just as nervous as Djokovic. There's going to be a lot of grinding in this one if they meet.
And we know both will fight. :)

Mike Sams
06-04-2012, 10:39 AM
By the way, who wins the first set of Roland Garros in the Final between Nadal and Djokovic will be crucial. A part of me believes it will be more important for Nadal to win the first set than Djokovic. Djokovic is a great frontrunner and when he smells blood, he begins to hit with such conviction and confidence that not even Rafa can find a way to nullify him. Rafa has to make sure Novak doesn't smell blood early otherwise Novak could very seriously go into his 2.0 mode. Confidence is key.

The-Champ
06-04-2012, 10:55 AM
Anyway you look at it, it's a fascinating see-sawing rivalry. When one is slightly more confident, they tend to have the advantadge.

For the top 3, it's all in the head. They have all the tools to beat each other, it's all about establishing that mental edge.


The only thing i don't want to see is Marian Vajda humping a Mercedes....

cc0509
06-04-2012, 12:26 PM
This thread is just nonsesne. Nole will defeat Nadal for the Championship. Deal with it.

Nope, I don't think so. I am not even sure Djokovic will make the final. Tsonga may get him and if not, Federer likely will.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 12:29 PM
Nope, I don't think so. I am not even sure Djokovic will make the final. Tsonga may get him and if not, Federer likely will.



Nope. Not a chance in h*ll either one of them beats him. He already in the final,and the trophy is his.

cc0509
06-04-2012, 12:36 PM
Nope. Not a chance in h*ll either one of them beats him. He already in the final,and the trophy is his.

Nope, sorry Clarky you are wrong here. Not sure Djokovic will make the final and if he does, Nadal will take it. You'll see!!!!!

firepanda
06-04-2012, 01:13 PM
Well I would prefer he actually beats Nadal. That mental edge still has to exist somewhere...

ashitaka2010
06-04-2012, 01:20 PM
Just wondering. Because the way both of them are playing right now, I fully expect a straight sets destruction of Nole by Rafa in the final.

The mental hold Nole had after Rafa is gone after the wins in Monte Carlo and Rome. And Nadal is in destructive clay court form.

I feel Nadal is on the verge of doing to Nole, what Nole did to him last year. Which is establishing a mental hold over Nole that he will be unable to break for awhile.

Is it in Nole's best interests to avoid Nadal on his best surface right now, and try and regroup for Wimbledon? Because a drubbing by Nadal in the French Open final will give him some serious mental scars. Nadal's belief will grow, and Nole's will wane. And that will affect the rest of his season (we all saw what consecutive finals losses to the same guy did to Nadal last year).

Anyway you look at it, it's a fascinating see-sawing rivalry. When one is slightly more confident, they tend to have the advantadge.

Not gonna happen. Come on, this is clay.
Nadal never had a mental hold on Djoko outside of the surface.

octogon
06-04-2012, 01:32 PM
Not gonna happen. Come on, this is clay.
Nadal never had a mental hold on Djoko outside of the surface.

A confident Nadal is a Nadal that can beat Djokovic on any surface. The exact same holds true in reverse.

Djokovic was at the height of his confidence last year, and comfortably beat down Rafa in two Clay Court Masters events. Had Djoker made the final of Roland Garros last year, I'm 80% certain he'd have beaten Rafa in the final, because Rafa's confidence had been so badly shaken by all those finals losses (on both hard and clay).

The reverse is now true. Rafa is riding a huge wave of confidence, and Djoker is feeling less confident. It's not about the surface with those two guys at this level, as they basically play the same game. It's all in the head. And it will translate to the Grass, and probably the US hardcourt season. At slams, Nadal had a mental edge against Djoker on every surface, till last year. He may be about to regain it, at least for the remainder of the season.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 01:41 PM
Nope, sorry Clarky you are wrong here. Not sure Djokovic will make the final and if he does, Nadal will take it. You'll see!!!!!



Nadal still has to make it through his draw,and I don't think he will. He has the toughest draw of anyone to get to the final. I just don't see that happening. Even if he did make the final he would lose. Rolaids owns him in a big way.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 01:43 PM
A confident Nadal is a Nadal that can beat Djokovic on any surface. The exact same holds true in reverse.

Djokovic was at the height of his confidence last year, and comfortably beat down Rafa in two Clay Court Masters events. Had Djoker made the final of Roland Garros last year, I'm 80% certain he'd have beaten Rafa in the final, because Rafa's confidence had been so badly shaken by all those finals losses (on both hard and clay).

The reverse is now true. Rafa is riding a huge wave of confidence, and Djoker is feeling less confident. It's not about the surface with those two guys at this level, as they basically play the same game. It's all in the head. And it will translate to the Grass, and probably the US hardcourt season. At slams, Nadal had a mental edge against Djoker on every surface, till last year. He may be about to regain it, at least for the remainder of the season.


Where are you getting that he's got all this confidence? I don't see it.

octogon
06-04-2012, 01:50 PM
Where are you getting that he's got all this confidence? I don't see it.

The difference between how Nadal was playing the 1st week last year, and this year is stark. Nadal was nervous last year, and playing like a frightened rabbit. The guy was taken to 5 sets in the first round by John Isner. People genuinely thought Nadal wouldn't even reach the final (Nadal was saying the same thing). Nadal gutted out a win in the end, but he did not play well last year. And that's because his confidence had taken a beating with all the Djoker losses (especially on clay).

This year is a different story. He's crushing everyone in his path. He looks and sounds happy and relaxed. He's not acting like a scared little boy with no chance of winning the tournament, like was last year. That's how you can tell this Nadal is super-confident. He's playing like a bulldozer, and knows he can beat his biggest current rival again.

Hitman
06-04-2012, 01:53 PM
I am a Nole fan, and there is no way I want him to take the coward's way out. Face Nadal head on, like he has in the past. He has the heart, the will power and the passion to beat Nadal.

Stay strong Novak, and go get him! :)

Towser83
06-04-2012, 01:56 PM
Nadal still has to make it through his draw,and I don't think he will. He has the toughest draw of anyone to get to the final. I just don't see that happening. Even if he did make the final he would lose. Rolaids owns him in a big way.

Is this some sort of game where you see how ridiculous you can become before people start to realise you are not at all serious?

You claim Monaco will take at least a set and he wins a whopping 2 games :lol:

Nadal has conceded the fewest games at this stage of any of his RG appearances and can't even lose to the ferret in barca.

He's killing people for fun.

zagor
06-04-2012, 01:58 PM
Not really, even though I think he'd lose (don't see him beating Nadal the way things are right now) I prefer him to finally reach the final at FO, which in itself would be a step forward for him and maybe in the next few years he could go even further and win the title.

winstonplum
06-04-2012, 02:06 PM
Nadal still has to make it through his draw,and I don't think he will. He has the toughest draw of anyone to get to the final. I just don't see that happening. Even if he did make the final he would lose. Rolaids owns him in a big way.

You did notice that Nadal won the last two times they played, didn't you?

Tennis_Hands
06-04-2012, 02:12 PM
The OP is a joke.

Still waiting for his answer on the Olympics testing procedures. After that it is the ignore list.

Gizo
06-04-2012, 02:18 PM
I agree that regardless of the outcome, reaching the final at RG for the first time in his career would be beneficial for Djokovic.

Losing in the semi-finals yet again (it would be the 4th time in 6 years) would hurt him a lot more than potentially getting drubbed by Nadal.

Day Tripper
06-04-2012, 02:23 PM
I still think that Djokovic has a BIG mental advantage over Nadal.

You gotta remember that it has been a long time now since Nadal has beaten Djokovic over 5 sets.

It has been a long time since anyone has beaten him over 5 sets for that matter!

The longer the match goes the less chance I give Nadal.

He has shown more mental frailty against Djokovic than any other player.

Some people think that the Aust open final gave Nadal renewed belief that he can beat him.

I believe the opposite - Nadal played a great match at the Aust open but still couldnt defeat a sub standard Djokovic who had endured a 6 hour marathon match with Murray in the semi.

Just like Federer/Nadal 5 set matches are a lot different then 3 set matches i think the same is occuring with Djokovic/Nadal matches.

Over 3 sets Nadal has an even chance - over 5 that goes down considerably.

DRII
06-04-2012, 02:34 PM
Nole has the best chance of dethroning Nadal.

Of course, I'm sure he wishes he had made it to the final last year; I'm pretty sure Nole would have won.

Now i give him about a 35% chance if everyone holds to present form and both make it to the final.

Gizo
06-04-2012, 02:43 PM
I agree that last year given how pedestrian Nadal was looking, Djokovic would have had an excellent chance of beating him in the final had he got past Federer. This time last year Djokovic was in Nadal's head and had an answer for everything that Nadal could throw at him on the court.

This year the momentum is well and truly with Nadal now.

Of course losing to Kohlscreiber in the 3rd round in 2009, and then watching Nadal lose to Soderling the next day, must have been the most frustrating experience for Djokovic at the French Open so far in his career.

MaiDee
06-04-2012, 03:36 PM
If he reach the final, I will pray that Nadal is on other side.
RG title is not the same without him.

Towser83
06-04-2012, 04:02 PM
Nole has the best chance of dethroning Nadal.

Of course, I'm sure he wishes he had made it to the final last year; I'm pretty sure Nole would have won.

Now i give him about a 35% chance if everyone holds to present form and both make it to the final.

I actually agree with this.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 04:18 PM
You did notice that Nadal won the last two times they played, didn't you?


Yeah,but Rolaids played like crap in both of those matches. That was Zombievak,or else the result would have been very,very different. I'm still not convinced Nadal can beat him in a slam. Rolaids is unbeatable in best of 5.

DeShaun
06-04-2012, 05:21 PM
Novak still is playing with enough confidence to elevate his game at will above that level anyone but Rafa or an inspired Roger can sustain. So, I think Novak will reach the finals. Rafa has been mowing down the field for this entire clay season and should have no shortage of confidence against anybody including Novak on this surface. If they play in the finals, it likely would be an interesting contest that could well turn out to be pivotal in their respective careers.

Towser83
06-04-2012, 05:27 PM
Yeah,but Rolaids played like crap in both of those matches. That was Zombievak,or else the result would have been very,very different. I'm still not convinced Nadal can beat him in a slam. Rolaids is unbeatable in best of 5.

He was also unbeatable vs Nadal until he got beaten by him. djokovic won't win every best of 5 match in his career. as you know.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 05:30 PM
He was also unbeatable vs Nadal until he got beaten by him. djokovic won't win every best of 5 match in his career. as you know.


Maybe not,but right now he will.

marc45
06-04-2012, 05:49 PM
I think it's the other way around.nobody knows more about praying than you..that next puff of black smoke you're stepping out

norbac
06-04-2012, 05:49 PM
I've prayed for this very reason every night since the first Sunday.

marc45
06-04-2012, 05:51 PM
Nope. Not a chance in h*ll either one of them beats him. He already in the final,and the trophy is his.he's the pepto bismol of grand champons

marc45
06-04-2012, 05:52 PM
Nope, sorry Clarky you are wrong here. Not sure Djokovic will make the final and if he does, Nadal will take it. You'll see!!!!!

she'll never see you idiot...bats have better sight

Omega_7000
06-04-2012, 05:53 PM
DelPo has a good chance of taking Nadal out if he stays healthy.

marc45
06-04-2012, 05:55 PM
Nadal still has to make it through his draw,and I don't think he will. He has the toughest draw of anyone to get to the final. I just don't see that happening. Even if he did make the final he would lose. Rolaids owns him in a big way.

pepto bismol, it's pepto now, get used to it...nadal won't make it to the final becuase he's so naive he'll fall prey to one of those anti-spanish morning zoo djs and be at the eiffel tower rescuing a baby at the time of the quarters or semis

marc45
06-04-2012, 05:58 PM
Where are you getting that he's got all this confidence? I don't see it.

winning breeds lack of confidence, every clay court championship he wins that includes wins over pepto puts him into a state of mind named clarky which causes normally sane people to freak out at the mere sign of success

marc45
06-04-2012, 06:01 PM
I still think that Djokovic has a BIG mental advantage over Nadal.

You gotta remember that it has been a long time now since Nadal has beaten Djokovic over 5 sets.

It has been a long time since anyone has beaten him over 5 sets for that matter!

The longer the match goes the less chance I give Nadal.

He has shown more mental frailty against Djokovic than any other player.

Some people think that the Aust open final gave Nadal renewed belief that he can beat him.

I believe the opposite - Nadal played a great match at the Aust open but still couldnt defeat a sub standard Djokovic who had endured a 6 hour marathon match with Murray in the semi.

Just like Federer/Nadal 5 set matches are a lot different then 3 set matches i think the same is occuring with Djokovic/Nadal matches.

Over 3 sets Nadal has an even chance - over 5 that goes down considerably.why do people keep forgetting the two wars nadal had with berdych and fed back to back in oz, including the one with berdych where he got more bad calls in one match than any player in history?..one even helping to cost him a set...he didn't have it easy either

marc45
06-04-2012, 06:03 PM
Yeah,but Rolaids played like crap in both of those matches. That was Zombievak,or else the result would have been very,very different. I'm still not convinced Nadal can beat him in a slam. Rolaids is unbeatable in best of 5.pepto is indestructable, the longer the match goes the more the non-gluten diet and magic egg kicks in...nadal just starts thinking about fishing and loses focus

marc45
06-04-2012, 06:05 PM
Maybe not,but right now he will.zen-like....did you work with the beatles?...are you the spirit of george harrison or even lennon?

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 06:05 PM
Hi,Marc! How's it going? :)

Towser83
06-04-2012, 06:52 PM
Maybe not,but right now he will.

MAYBE not? Lol.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 06:55 PM
MAYBE not? Lol.


You know what I meant. Right now,at this point,he is unbeatable in best of 5. You sure don't have any faith in your boy do you? I guess him winning practically everything under the sun over the past year and a half has somehow managed to escape you.

Smasher08
06-04-2012, 07:04 PM
Unlike Federer, Djokovic is capable of beating Nadal.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff488/Smasher08/e620f4d7b.jpg

oy vey
06-04-2012, 07:09 PM
If they both get there, I want Nole to face Nadal. Even if he loses he has made a RG final--one step closer to career slam.

sonicare
06-04-2012, 07:10 PM
What will be interesting is who nadal thinks would be favoyrite should he meet nole in the final

Towser83
06-04-2012, 07:14 PM
You know what I meant. Right now,at this point,he is unbeatable in best of 5. You sure don't have any faith in your boy do you? I guess him winning practically everything under the sun over the past year and a half has somehow managed to escape you.

No one is unbeatable. but the closest thing to it is Nadal on clay. last year was the first time anyone had a genuine claim to being favourite over Nadal are RG, the first time anyone was playing better on clay than him. djokovic earned this by beating him twice on clay and in my opinion would have won at RG. this year he isn't the best player on clay, it Nadal again. djokovic has won nothing on clay and Nadal has cleaned up without dropping a set.

2011 is looking like a one off. if Novak never beat Nadal last year on clay there would be no reason to believe Nadal wasnt the massive favourite now.

Fed cleaned up for years but every time it was clay season it did not matter.

We are back to the usual order with Nadal winning nearly everything on clay and djokovic is gonna have to play exceptional because the clay wins in 2011 have no bearing on now at all.

Clarky21
06-04-2012, 07:36 PM
No one is unbeatable. but the closest thing to it is Nadal on clay. last year was the first time anyone had a genuine claim to being favourite over Nadal are RG, the first time anyone was playing better on clay than him. djokovic earned this by beating him twice on clay and in my opinion would have won at RG. this year he isn't the best player on clay, it Nadal again. djokovic has won nothing on clay and Nadal has cleaned up without dropping a set.2011 is looking like a one off. if Novak never beat Nadal last year on clay there would be no reason to believe Nadal wasnt the massive favourite now.

Fed cleaned up for years but every time it was clay season it did not matter.

We are back to the usual order with Nadal winning nearly everything on clay and djokovic is gonna have to play exceptional because the clay wins in 2011 have no bearing on now at all.


Well,Rolaids is pretty close to it considering he has lost,iirc,something like 10 matches in more than a year. I would call that unbeatable,especially in best of 5.


No way. I really think Nadal is living on reputation when people keep insisting on this. This is not 2008,and Nadal is not young anymore.


He may not have won anything on clay this year,but does that really matter? Up until last year at Wimby,Rolaids had never won a grass title in his entire career. That didn't stop him from winning there though did it?


2011 is looking like a one off? No way. Nadal lost yet another slam final to Rolaids this year,and the domination continues. Rolaids will clean up the rest of the slams like he did last year. No competition will see to that.


That was when Nadal was still great on clay. Those days are long gone,and he is not the same player anymore. His game has deteriorated badly.


But the mental destruction he caused last year will. He is still buried deep inside Nadal's head. Two measley wins in a couple of masters won't erase that. Especially because Nadal isn't good enough to beat him in slams/best of 5.

Towser83
06-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Well,Rolaids is pretty close to it considering he has lost,iirc,something like 10 matches in more than a year. I would call that unbeatable,especially in best of 5.


No way. I really think Nadal is living on reputation when people keep insisting on this. This is not 2008,and Nadal is not young anymore.


He may not have won anything on clay this year,but does that really matter? Up until last year at Wimby,Rolaids had never won a grass title in his entire career. That didn't stop him from winning there though did it?


2011 is looking like a one off? No way. Nadal lost yet another slam final to Rolaids this year,and the domination continues. Rolaids will clean up the rest of the slams like he did last year. No competition will see to that.


That was when Nadal was still great on clay. Those days are long gone,and he is not the same player anymore. His game has deteriorated badly.


But the mental destruction he caused last year will. He is still buried deep inside Nadal's head. Two measley wins in a couple of masters won't erase that. Especially because Nadal isn't good enough to beat him in slams/best of 5.

and Nadal has lost about 6 matches on clay in the last 8 years.

Well he's doing his best ever job on clay right now, so doesn't matter if its reputation or not, he's killing everyone. say what you like but the facts are he's dropped the least games in getting to the quarter finals ever and has not lost a set on red clay. on his c game he is almost impossible to beat on clay.

Grass season is almost non existent, and i don't think djokovic even played a warm up so judging his grass form was not an issue last year. not like he lost twice to the grass king on grass right before wimbledon. if back in 2008 fed had beaten Nadal twice in grass masters events if they existed, no one would have given Nadal a chance at wimbledon. also Nadal didn't win queens either, not like him winning 3 titles in straights like the clay warmups

I'm talking about the 2011 clay season being a one off. it's the only time Novak has ever beaten Nadal on clay in 7 years. that kind of proves it til he does it again. he's zero for two this year.

Nadal for whatever reason you want to come up with is killing everyone on clay. doesn't matter how he is playing when its good enough to win without breaking a sweat. he is beating the lesser players easily which makes a mockery of you claiming he won't make the final - you know you will be wrong for the 20th time - and Novak isn't playing well enough to beat him either. he only ever beat him on clay last year, that is not the norm it was an exception unless he can beat him again.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 08:26 PM
Nadal's clay reputation took a blow last year when he lost Rome and Madrid to Djokovic in straight sets, and Isner took him to 5 sets at Roland Garros, and Murray had 18 breakpoints on Nadal at Roland Garros.

So 2012 was the opportunity for others to hurt Nadal further, as his aura was reduced. Instead, Nadal lifted his game to top-shelf and didn't drop a set at Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome. And now is having his best Roland Garros, ever.

sonicare
06-04-2012, 08:31 PM
Nadal's clay reputation took a blow last year when he lost Rome and Madrid to Djokovic in straight sets, and Isner took him to 5 sets at Roland Garros, and Murray had 18 breakpoints on Nadal at Roland Garros.

So 2012 was the opportunity for others to hurt Nadal further, as his aura was reduced. Instead, Nadal lifted his game to top-shelf and didn't drop a set at Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome. And now is having his best Roland Garros, ever.

Did lose to verdasco in Madrid tho. You memory seems very selective. You got selective amnesia bro?

mcenroefan
06-04-2012, 08:33 PM
Yep, I think Nole will toss his match with Fed if me makes it to the SF's because he is just ever so fearful of having to hit tennis balls back and forth with Nadal....such gruesome potential outcomes from a tennis match.

nadal_slam_king
06-04-2012, 08:34 PM
Did lose to verdasco in Madrid tho. You memory seems very selective. You got selective amnesia bro?

Nadal has lost at Madrid most years. What else is new? And if he was going to lose to someone, Verdasco was the player I'd want him to lose to (because Verdasco needed that win more than Nadal). It was a good loss and it allowed Nadal to prepare for Rome and therefore Roland Garros.

winstonplum
06-04-2012, 09:16 PM
Yeah,but Rolaids played like crap in both of those matches. That was Zombievak,or else the result would have been very,very different. I'm still not convinced Nadal can beat him in a slam. Rolaids is unbeatable in best of 5.

I don't think that Djokovic played like crap. He just didn't play the way he did in Madrid and Rome of last year, and he didn't play like he did in the 2nd and 3rd set at this year's Oz--i.e. off the charts great. I think you're giving Novak too much credit. He had a spectacular 2011, but I think Nadal was very clear-headed in his analysis of Novak last year. I remember several times Nadal saying something to the effect of "it's very hard to maintain that incredibly high level of tennis." As a die-hard Nadal fan, last year did seem like the end of the road, and it did feel like Nadal would never beat Nole again. But then things changed. Even if you give Nole a pass with the Grandpa match at MC, I think that Rome was humongous for Nadal.

sonicare
06-04-2012, 09:19 PM
I don't think that Djokovic played like crap. He just didn't play the way he did in Madrid and Rome of last year, and he didn't play like he did in the 2nd and 3rd set at this year's Oz--i.e. off the charts great. I think you're giving Novak too much credit. He had a spectacular 2011, but I think Nadal was very clear-headed in his analysis of Novak last year. I remember several times Nadal saying something to the effect of "it's very hard to maintain that incredibly high level of tennis." As a die-hard Nadal fan, last year did seem like the end of the road, and it did feel like Nadal would never beat Nole again. But then things changed. Even if you give Nole a pass with the Grandpa match at MC, I think that Rome was humongous for Nadal.

So nadal admitted that he can't cope with nole's best.

Nole> nadal

Right from the horses mouth.

winstonplum
06-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Well,Rolaids is pretty close to it considering he has lost,iirc,something like 10 matches in more than a year. I would call that unbeatable,especially in best of 5.


No way. I really think Nadal is living on reputation when people keep insisting on this. This is not 2008,and Nadal is not young anymore.


He may not have won anything on clay this year,but does that really matter? Up until last year at Wimby,Rolaids had never won a grass title in his entire career. That didn't stop him from winning there though did it?


2011 is looking like a one off? No way. Nadal lost yet another slam final to Rolaids this year,and the domination continues. Rolaids will clean up the rest of the slams like he did last year. No competition will see to that.


That was when Nadal was still great on clay. Those days are long gone,and he is not the same player anymore. His game has deteriorated badly.


But the mental destruction he caused last year will. He is still buried deep inside Nadal's head. Two measley wins in a couple of masters won't erase that. Especially because Nadal isn't good enough to beat him in slams/best of 5.

Clarky, what will you say if Nadal does win this tournament? I think a lot of people are quite interested (perhaps because you post so much, or perhaps because you seem like you kind of like Nadal but are so vociferous in your denunciation of his play.) Whatever the case, if he does win what will you say? Nadal got lucky? Nole played like shi%? Nole doens't really care about the career GS? Just curious. I know this is just an internet forum, which attracts bombast more than perhaps any place on Earth, but you and that McClain dude have spent so much time bludgeoning other readers with your opinions, that I'm actually prepared for Ferrer to beat Nadal and then beat Nole. Such, I guess, is the power of repeating the same thing over and over as if it were fact.

Sid_Vicious
06-04-2012, 09:28 PM
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Wow, you really are a sensitive Federer fan aren't you?

Federer has not beaten Nadal in a best of five set match in almost 5 years now. Additionally, we are talking about RG here. Could you post a picture of Nadal leaving Phillpe Chatrier court after getting whooped by Federer?

I thought so.

marc45
06-04-2012, 11:21 PM
Hi,Marc! How's it going? :)

wonderfully, there's nothing like riding a troll like marco gutierrez does i'll have another

marc45
06-04-2012, 11:24 PM
MAYBE not? Lol.

maybe, maybe not..."you're asking me if our love will grow, i don't know i don't know"

marc45
06-04-2012, 11:26 PM
and Nadal has lost about 6 matches on clay in the last 8 years.

Well he's doing his best ever job on clay right now, so doesn't matter if its reputation or not, he's killing everyone. say what you like but the facts are he's dropped the least games in getting to the quarter finals ever and has not lost a set on red clay. on his c game he is almost impossible to beat on clay.

Grass season is almost non existent, and i don't think djokovic even played a warm up so judging his grass form was not an issue last year. not like he lost twice to the grass king on grass right before wimbledon. if back in 2008 fed had beaten Nadal twice in grass masters events if they existed, no one would have given Nadal a chance at wimbledon. also Nadal didn't win queens either, not like him winning 3 titles in straights like the clay warmups

I'm talking about the 2011 clay season being a one off. it's the only time Novak has ever beaten Nadal on clay in 7 years. that kind of proves it til he does it again. he's zero for two this year.

Nadal for whatever reason you want to come up with is killing everyone on clay. doesn't matter how he is playing when its good enough to win without breaking a sweat. he is beating the lesser players easily which makes a mockery of you claiming he won't make the final - you know you will be wrong for the 20th time - and Novak isn't playing well enough to beat him either. he only ever beat him on clay last year, that is not the norm it was an exception unless he can beat him again.why are you using logic with a crazy person, you're fighting a losing battle

marc45
06-04-2012, 11:38 PM
Clarky, what will you say if Nadal does win this tournament? I think a lot of people are quite interested (perhaps because you post so much, or perhaps because you seem like you kind of like Nadal but are so vociferous in your denunciation of his play.) Whatever the case, if he does win what will you say? Nadal got lucky? Nole played like shi%? Nole doens't really care about the career GS? Just curious. I know this is just an internet forum, which attracts bombast more than perhaps any place on Earth, but you and that McClain dude have spent so much time bludgeoning other readers with your opinions, that I'm actually prepared for Ferrer to beat Nadal and then beat Nole. Such, I guess, is the power of repeating the same thing over and over as if it were fact.

she "kind of" likes nadal?, you need to get with the program..., she has a shrine in her bedroom to him, scary stuff..what will she, alright she/ he, say if nadal wins?
...he/she will go right to the card i pointed out earlier in the week, forgotten immediately, not acknowledged other than the death of novaks's dog or jelena not tucking him into bed properly as an excuse, and then he/she will immediately start speculating whether nadal will win more sets combined at wimby and wimby olympics than he will in the exo match he's playing with pepto in madrid in july

Towser83
06-04-2012, 11:42 PM
maybe, maybe not..."you're asking me if our love will grow, i don't know i don't know"

why are you losing logic with a crazy person, you're fighting a losing battle

The beatles and then a post of pure reason. top marks for you my friend :-)

Clarky21
06-05-2012, 05:03 AM
Clarky, what will you say if Nadal does win this tournament? I think a lot of people are quite interested (perhaps because you post so much, or perhaps because you seem like you kind of like Nadal but are so vociferous in your denunciation of his play.) Whatever the case, if he does win what will you say? Nadal got lucky? Nole played like shi%? Nole doens't really care about the career GS? Just curious. I know this is just an internet forum, which attracts bombast more than perhaps any place on Earth, but you and that McClain dude have spent so much time bludgeoning other readers with your opinions, that I'm actually prepared for Ferrer to beat Nadal and then beat Nole. Such, I guess, is the power of repeating the same thing over and over as if it were fact.


He won't win it,so it doesn't matter.

Federererer
06-05-2012, 05:12 AM
Clarky, what will you say if Nadal does win this tournament?

I'll tell you exactly. "Ok, I was wrong. But only because Rolaids played like crap. There is absolutely no chance in hell he is winning Wimbledon". :) Count on it.

Clarky21
06-05-2012, 05:37 AM
The beatles and then a post of pure reason. top marks for you my friend :-)


You think Stalker45 posts pure reason? Your idea of reason must be just skewed as his because he is batsh*t crazy,and never posts anything except to stalk me some more. I'm starting to think he is an inmate at an asylum in Youngstown,Ohio somewhere. Lord knows that place could use them considering what a hole in the earth it is.

Clarky21
06-05-2012, 05:40 AM
I'll tell you exactly. "Ok, I was wrong. But only because Rolaids played like crap. There is absolutely no chance in hell he is winning Wimbledon". :) Count on it.


But there's truth in that. Nadal can't beat Rolaids if he plays his best. The only time Nadal beats him is when he shows up as Zombievak.

And Nadal won't win RG no matter what so it really doesn't matter anyway.

Federererer
06-05-2012, 05:57 AM
But there's truth in that. Nadal can't beat Rolaids if he plays his best. The only time Nadal beats him is when he shows up as Zombievak.

And Nadal won't win RG no matter what so it really doesn't matter anyway.

That doesn't make any sense and you know it. If you accept that Nadal can beat Djokovic when he's not at his best, then you cannot say there is no chance Nadal does not win RG. You have no guarantee the best version of Djokovic will show up in the final.

phnx90
06-05-2012, 09:12 AM
I would like to see somebody at least give Naboo a challenge. Right now he's just opening up a boulangerie on peoples asses.
This is, by far, the greatest post in this thread.

First TTW nickname that's made me laugh, for a start.

BigServer1
06-05-2012, 09:19 AM
I would like to see somebody at least give Naboo a challenge. Right now he's just opening up a boulangerie on peoples asses.

This post is just tremendous.

brinkeguthrie
06-05-2012, 09:21 AM
wow, netted that one. heavy arm.

marc45
06-05-2012, 10:48 AM
The beatles and then a post of pure reason. top marks for you my friend :-)

thanks, "using logic", though that is a losing proposition

marc45
06-05-2012, 10:52 AM
You think Stalker45 posts pure reason? Your idea of reason must be just skewed as his because he is batsh*t crazy,and never posts anything except to stalk me some more. I'm starting to think he is an inmate at an asylum in Youngstown,Ohio somewhere. Lord knows that place could use them considering what a hole in the earth it is.good lord, what prison are you incarcerated in?...well, at least they allow you internet which might be legal but i expect most people don't think is ethical

marc45
06-05-2012, 10:54 AM
That doesn't make any sense and you know it. If you accept that Nadal can beat Djokovic when he's not at his best, then you cannot say there is no chance Nadal does not win RG. You have no guarantee the best version of Djokovic will show up in the final.

again, why are you trying to make sense with the biggest most mentally damaged troll on the board?...get out and practice some forehands, ones with a lot of topspin

Federererer
06-05-2012, 11:39 AM
again, why are you trying to make sense with the biggest most mentally damaged troll on the board?...get out and practice some forehands, ones with a lot of topspin

I'm working on the topspin. Just can't get it right. I think it'a because I'm trying to hit straightarm FH's and I should be beginning with bent arm ones to get the contact right.

marc45
06-05-2012, 03:27 PM
I'm working on the topspin. Just can't get it right. I think it'a because I'm trying to hit straightarm FH's and I should be beginning with bent arm ones to get the contact right.letterman calls him federerer

Towser83
06-06-2012, 01:32 AM
You think Stalker45 posts pure reason? Your idea of reason must be just skewed as his because he is batsh*t crazy,and never posts anything except to stalk me some more. I'm starting to think he is an inmate at an asylum in Youngstown,Ohio somewhere. Lord knows that place could use them considering what a hole in the earth it is.

I meant that specific post saying i was wasting my time arguing with you lol.

nadal_slam_king
06-06-2012, 03:01 AM
Wow, there really are people who don't have Clarky21 on ignore? Very strange indeed.

roysid
06-06-2012, 03:14 AM
Actually I think that OP makes sense. Because if Federer hadn't been to FO 2008 final (which he was utterly destroyed) he would have played more freely in Wimbledon final and should have won.

Fed himself have said that FO loss affected him in first 2 sets of W' 2008.

nadal_slam_king
06-06-2012, 03:53 AM
Actually I think that OP makes sense. Because if Federer hadn't been to FO 2008 final (which he was utterly destroyed) he would have played more freely in Wimbledon final and should have won.

Fed himself have said that FO loss affected him in first 2 sets of W' 2008.

Nah, if Federer hadn't been massacred in 2008 RG, he would have underestimated Nadal more in the 2008 Wimbledon final. Maybe Nadal would have won in straight sets. Heck, if it didn't rain Nadal probably would have won in straight sets, as he led 2 sets to love before the rain delay.

nadal_slam_king
06-06-2012, 03:54 AM
Actually I think that OP makes sense. Because if Federer hadn't been to FO 2008 final (which he was utterly destroyed) he would have played more freely in Wimbledon final and should have won.

Fed himself have said that FO loss affected him in first 2 sets of W' 2008.

Typical fedtrash at the press conference, ala 2010 Wimbledon QF exit interview....

Feather
06-06-2012, 04:05 AM
Typical fedtrash at the press conference, ala 2010 Wimbledon QF exit interview....

At least he doesn't fake injuries :)

Feather
06-06-2012, 04:09 AM
Nah, if Federer hadn't been massacred in 2008 RG, he would have underestimated Nadal more in the 2008 Wimbledon final. Maybe Nadal would have won in straight sets. Heck, if it didn't rain Nadal probably would have won in straight sets, as he led 2 sets to love before the rain delay.

Roger lost a lot of matches to Rafa on clay and that really affected his performance on other courts as well. These days he is playing Rafa better. One good victory and then he will be winning more. They would be playing in Halle, Wimbledon and Olympics this year. Three times in grass. I expect him to improve on the head to head a lot by the end of this year. You watch out :)

nadal_slam_king
06-06-2012, 04:20 AM
Roger lost a lot of matches to Rafa on clay and that really affected his performance on other courts as well. These days he is playing Rafa better. One good victory and then he will be winning more. They would be playing in Halle, Wimbledon and Olympics this year. Three times in grass. I expect him to improve on the head to head a lot by the end of this year. You watch out :)

When was the last time Nadal lost before the Wimbledon final? 2005.
When was the last time Federer went further than the Wimbledon quarters? 2009.
Not looking good for you. Federer lost in the 1st Round of Wimbledon, 3 times. He might retire that way. Grass has once again become his worst surface.

Praetorian
06-06-2012, 06:22 AM
Only bandwagon fans wish that. TRUE fans want their players to play as hard as they can, go further than they can, and succeed as they can, even if it means failing miserably on the highest stage. True champions take on challenges not hide from them. What a ridiculous post.