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rrito
06-05-2012, 01:44 PM
How much money (usd or euro) do chair umpires make? How about the line judges?

woodrow1029
06-05-2012, 02:01 PM
How much money (usd or euro) do chair umpires make? How about the line judges?

There are about 6 chair umpires that are full time salaried and/or contracted chair umpires with the ITF, about 10 with ATP and about 7 with the WTA. They make roughly between $30,000-$70,000 per year, plus all expenses while on the road.

As ITF/ATP/WTA Silver and Gold Badge chair umpires, the rest of us make roughly between $15,000-$30,000 per year, with MOST expenses paid (although if we are not specifically hired as a chair umpire for a certain tournament like the Grand Slams, the majority of our plane tickets come out of pocket. Housing and meals onsite are included.

Line umpires make between $70-$150 per day usually. Wimbledon and Roland Garros it's a bit more because of the exchange rate only, but not by much.

batz
06-05-2012, 02:20 PM
There are about 6 chair umpires that are full time salaried and/or contracted chair umpires with the ITF, about 10 with ATP and about 7 with the WTA. They make roughly between $30,000-$70,000 per year, plus all expenses while on the road.

As ITF/ATP/WTA Silver and Gold Badge chair umpires, the rest of us make roughly between $15,000-$30,000 per year, with MOST expenses paid (although if we are not specifically hired as a chair umpire for a certain tournament like the Grand Slams, the majority of our plane tickets come out of pocket. Housing and meals onsite are included.

Line umpires make between $70-$150 per day usually. Wimbledon and Roland Garros it's a bit more because of the exchange rate only, but not by much.

That's only 19K:shock::shock:

axel89
06-05-2012, 02:44 PM
There are about 6 chair umpires that are full time salaried and/or contracted chair umpires with the ITF, about 10 with ATP and about 7 with the WTA. They make roughly between $30,000-$70,000 per year, plus all expenses while on the road.

As ITF/ATP/WTA Silver and Gold Badge chair umpires, the rest of us make roughly between $15,000-$30,000 per year, with MOST expenses paid (although if we are not specifically hired as a chair umpire for a certain tournament like the Grand Slams, the majority of our plane tickets come out of pocket. Housing and meals onsite are included.

Line umpires make between $70-$150 per day usually. Wimbledon and Roland Garros it's a bit more because of the exchange rate only, but not by much.

wow i expected umpires 50k+ higher!

woodrow1029
06-05-2012, 04:50 PM
wow i expected umpires 50k+ higher!

Shocking huh. And people wonder why I quit traveling as a chair umpire to get a real job. :-)

skip1969
06-05-2012, 04:57 PM
Shocking huh. And people wonder why I quit traveling as a chair umpire to get a real job. :-)
lol. well, i hope your "real" job appreciates you. i certainly appreciate your 'inside the world of a chair umpire' insights here. :)

tennis_pro
06-05-2012, 04:58 PM
Shocking huh. And people wonder why I quit traveling as a chair umpire to get a real job. :-)

maybe you should try to attain the Gold Badge status? what would you have to do?

woodrow1029
06-05-2012, 05:00 PM
maybe you should try to attain the Gold Badge status? what would you have to do?

Even then. Not all of the Gold Badge umpires are contracted/salaried. Very select few. Some of it is based on experience/evaluations. A lot of it is political.

woodrow1029
06-05-2012, 05:01 PM
lol. well, i hope your "real" job appreciates you. i certainly appreciate your 'inside the world of a chair umpire' insights here. :)

Thanks, Skip.

I do miss umpiring this week though. Roland Garros was always my favorite tournament to work.

forthegame
06-05-2012, 05:02 PM
Disappointing to see those figures. I thought you guys would earn substantially more, do you have an association/union? Surely the ATP/WTA/Grand Slam organisers can afford to pay much, much more?

Guess that's why some players are rude and disrespectful, same thing in football.

TopFH
06-05-2012, 05:21 PM
My ex-coach is umpiring at an ITF tournament this week. He told me they get almost nothing, and the federation keeps all their gear save for tees and shorts. Also, the "president" of our federation threatens umpires and ball boys with firing them if they don't obey what he wants.

woodrow1029
06-05-2012, 05:52 PM
My ex-coach is umpiring at an ITF tournament this week. He told me they get almost nothing, and the federation keeps all their gear save for tees and shorts. Also, the "president" of our federation threatens umpires and ball boys with firing them if they don't obey what he wants.
Where is that?

Rjtennis
06-05-2012, 08:39 PM
They should be paid way more. That would be a stressful profession and very public as well. That is very cool that you were an umpire at the slams. What an experience!

At the wage levels you are speaking of, how do people do it? Do they have flexible second jobs? Are there other jobs available to make money on tour to supplement the income?

TennisLovaLova
06-06-2012, 12:16 AM
there are several level of umpires
they have levels, junior, senior, manager etc
some of them make more money when they are tournament supervisors
that's where the real money is, in managing the other umpires and refs

mandy01
06-06-2012, 01:13 AM
That's awfully bad. For all the talk of pay rise for the lower-ranked guys, the other people who really deserve a rise such as the umpires and linespeople are completely ignored. Hasn't there been any motion for a pay hike from your end, woodrow?

halalula1234
06-06-2012, 04:40 AM
theres a lady at my club who line judges at the aus open each year and she used to get free awesome tennis shoes + uniforms. and makes up to $5000 during the tournament depending on how much she works.

im applying :P

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 07:30 AM
Yeah Aus Open pays pretty well. But very little travel assistance for foreigners. Only about $200 USD. Expensive to get there

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 07:38 AM
That's awfully bad. For all the talk of pay rise for the lower-ranked guys, the other people who really deserve a rise such as the umpires and linespeople are completely ignored. Hasn't there been any motion for a pay hike from your end, woodrow?
All the time. No union though.

Last year a lot of gold badge chair umpires didn't even apply for the US Open because it is the lowest paying grand slam. I think the US Open slightly got better this year.

As said above the supervisors make more money and are generally salary officials, but there are a lot of supervisors/referees that are not salary and while they make more at the tournament there are a lot less spots available.

sureshs
06-06-2012, 07:43 AM
Are there any minimal educational requirements to be an umpire?

PetSounds
06-06-2012, 07:50 AM
Are there any minimal educational requirements to be an umpire?

Yes, you have to attend the Naboo Institute of Higher Time Wasting.

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 08:33 AM
Are there any minimal educational requirements to be an umpire?

There are certification schools, but if you are talking about like college, then no.

ollinger
06-06-2012, 08:50 AM
Seems like the sort of job they could relatively easily fill with retired corporate types who were amateur tennis players, happy to follow the tour, so I doubt the money is about to be adequate. And hey, what other sport referee gets to sit in a chair under an umbrella?

AceKing
06-06-2012, 09:42 AM
You mean to say that the top umpires - guys like Pascal Maria, Mohamed Layhani, Nouni. . . they only make about 70k per year?? That is shocking to me. Do these guys have other avenues through which to make money?

ollinger
06-06-2012, 09:44 AM
^^ yes.....throwing matches. Less and less so however with Hawk-eye.

sureshs
06-06-2012, 09:51 AM
There are certification schools, but if you are talking about like college, then no.

What would be an example of such a school?

TheCanadian
06-06-2012, 10:03 AM
I'm surprised anybody wants to do this job. You get yelled at, disrespected by **** like Roddick,and abused. Plus, you live in relative poverty while looking at multimillionaires. Discouraging.

bluetrain4
06-06-2012, 10:09 AM
I too would have thought at least a core group of umpires would make a lot more money.

$70,000 with ALL expenses paid isn't terrible (not that it's fantastic either), but that's the upper end of the range, and few umpires make it.

AceKing
06-06-2012, 10:11 AM
^^ yes.....throwing matches. Less and less so however with Hawk-eye.

Interesting point. You have a guy making 70k/year officiating a match in which the winner gets almost 2 million.

Mike Bulgakov
06-06-2012, 10:31 AM
Interesting point. You have a guy making 70k/year officiating a match in which the winner gets almost 2 million.
Woodrow (the man with multiple Swiss accounts) receiving late night calls from Russian "entrepreneurs"...

Chopin
06-06-2012, 11:58 AM
70,000 with all expenses paid is a very good salary. That's far more than the vast majority of people on the planet make.

Obviously only a few make chairs make that though, and the salary for the average chair isn't so good.

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 12:35 PM
70,000 with all expenses paid is a very good salary. That's far more than the vast majority of people on the planet make.

Obviously only a few make chairs make that though, and the salary for the average chair isn't so good.

But out of that $70,000.00, you get no health insurance, no taxes taken out (so for Americans it's a pretty expensive self-employment tax unless you have a very good accountant). And actually at the Grand Slams, not all expenses are covered. Meals off site and travel are not totally covered. And there are only about 5-8 chair umpires making that much.

Magnetite
06-06-2012, 01:18 PM
No wonder they make so many bad calls ..

PONG
06-06-2012, 04:25 PM
You mean to say that the top umpires - guys like Pascal Maria, Mohamed Layhani, Nouni. . . they only make about 70k per year?? That is shocking to me. Do these guys have other avenues through which to make money?

I personally know several umpires who are on tour and I can tell you for a fact that Lahyani makes 6 figures + benefits. The lower end guys (ex. linesmen) make just over $100 per day.

sureshs
06-06-2012, 05:32 PM
Interesting point. You have a guy making 70k/year officiating a match in which the winner gets almost 2 million.

woodrow could not take it anymore

sillymonkey
06-06-2012, 05:51 PM
But out of that $70,000.00, you get no health insurance, no taxes taken out (so for Americans it's a pretty expensive self-employment tax unless you have a very good accountant). And actually at the Grand Slams, not all expenses are covered. Meals off site and travel are not totally covered. And there are only about 5-8 chair umpires making that much.

They aren't allowed to eat on site, say in the players area? Do they get nice hotel rooms? You know for sure they are no benefits like health insurance?
Personally, I think seventy g's isn't bad if all expenses are paid.

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 05:55 PM
They aren't allowed to eat on site, say in the players area? Do they get nice hotel rooms? You know for sure they are no benefits like health insurance?
Personally, I think seventy g's isn't bad if all expenses are paid.
I never said 70k is bad. I said there are VERY few making that much or more.

The designated chair umpires usually eat in the players area. Not at the grand slams though. We get a certain amount for food on site, or a voucher.

1970CRBase
06-06-2012, 05:58 PM
I bet their pay doesn't cover being blamed for everything.

1970CRBase
06-06-2012, 06:04 PM
Trouble with this kind of job is that it is thankless. If you do it well, nobody notices or cares, even if you had done it well, you are the convenient source for people, players and fans, to take out their frustration with a match on. Why would anybody choose this line of work?

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 07:04 PM
Trouble with this kind of job is that it is thankless. If you do it well, nobody notices or cares, even if you had done it well, you are the convenient source for people, players and fans, to take out their frustration with a match on. Why would anybody choose this line of work?
It's addictive. Lol. Really the travel and the friendships help a lot. It's great when you're single, or wen you marry another official like I did who was able to travel and be a line umpire at a lot of the tournaments I was a chair umpire at

Chopin
06-06-2012, 07:22 PM
But out of that $70,000.00, you get no health insurance, no taxes taken out (so for Americans it's a pretty expensive self-employment tax unless you have a very good accountant). And actually at the Grand Slams, not all expenses are covered. Meals off site and travel are not totally covered. And there are only about 5-8 chair umpires making that much.

Most countries have universal health care. America is sadly a bit behind the rest of the developed world in this area.

I'm only saying that the chairs that are making 70k a year are doing fine. They're traveling around the world, most expenses paid for, watching tennis.

***

Also, I suspect that the numbers we have in this thread, are not correct. It seems the top chairs make more than some posters have suggested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/get_involved/4541821.stm

Salary
A top umpire can expect to earn 50-60,000 per annum, but it takes a long time to get there! Most earn around 30,000. On average a line judge can expect to earn 20,000.

Chopin
06-06-2012, 07:27 PM
I personally know several umpires who are on tour and I can tell you for a fact that Lahyani makes 6 figures + benefits. The lower end guys (ex. linesmen) make just over $100 per day.

This sounds right to me. I seem to recall hearing in the Monte Carlo tournament that one of the chairs had a home there...can't be doing too badly.

Chopin
06-06-2012, 07:33 PM
I don't believe that the top umpires that we all know don't make 100 grand. There's only a handful of them.

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 07:50 PM
Most countries have universal health care. America is sadly a bit behind the rest of the developed world in this area.

I'm only saying that the chairs that are making 70k a year are doing fine. They're traveling around the world, most expenses paid for, watching tennis.

***

Also, I suspect that the numbers we have in this thread, are not correct. It seems the top chairs make more than some posters have suggested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/get_involved/4541821.stm

Salary
A top umpire can expect to earn 50-60,000 per annum, but it takes a long time to get there! Most earn around 30,000. On average a line judge can expect to earn 20,000.

The line umpire number is WAY off! Almost no travel assistance, and only meals onsite are covered.

30,000 pounds is around what I quoted for the average umpires, but it's towards the upper end of the average.

Gerry Armstrong, Mohamed Lahyani and Carlos Bernardes would be about the only 3 making 50,000-60,000 pounds per year.

Chopin
06-06-2012, 08:34 PM
The line umpire number is WAY off! Almost no travel assistance, and only meals onsite are covered.

30,000 pounds is around what I quoted for the average umpires, but it's towards the upper end of the average.

Gerry Armstrong, Mohamed Lahyani and Carlos Bernardes would be about the only 3 making 50,000-60,000 pounds per year.

How do you know this? Just asking. Do you know these guys personally?

sureshs
06-06-2012, 08:48 PM
How do you know this? Just asking. Do you know these guys personally?

Because he knows how much people in his (former) profession are paid?

t135
06-06-2012, 08:53 PM
There is this one line umpire I have seen on TV and at tournaments for like20 years. Mainly USA tournaments. Blonde longish hair with glasses. Going back to all the Andre Pete and Jim era matches. Always wondered what that dude got paid and own he managed a career as a line umpire.

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 08:56 PM
How do you know this? Just asking. Do you know these guys personally?
Considering I was a silver badge chair umpire for several years and travelled full time from 2000-2008 doing this, yes.

woodrow1029
06-06-2012, 09:18 PM
The ITF has certification schools to obtain white and bronze badge levels.

Most national federations have schools that are 1-2 days.

The ITF white badge school is a 3 day school which goes over the rules, the code and situations. Taught by 2 gold badges usually. There is an exam of multiple choice questions. The white badge school is held usually during an ITF men's futures. The candidates chair a match during the qualies of the futures. To pass the candidate needs an 85% or better on the written exam and a good evaluation on court.

The bronze badge school is taught by a rep from ITF, WTA and ATP. It's also 3 days and concentrates more on communication with players and advanced chair umpire techniques. At that school you are graded on everything, quizzes, verbal answers, and the exam. The exam is 70 multiple choice questions, 10 short answer/essay questions and a one on one verbal exam with one of the instructors which are ITF/WTA/ATP gold badge chair umpires or referees. To pass your cumulative total percentage needs to be 85%. It's a very intense tough 3 days.

Silver and gold badges are given on a promotion basis based on experience, international work and evaluation grades. Of course there are some politics as well, but that is more from silver to gold.

Gold badges are qualified to do any match at any tournament. Silver can do any match except grand slam singles finals and Davis cup finals.

Bronze do early round grand slam matches and your event matches and get most of their experience at challengers.

Whites do almost all of their matches at challengers, futures, ITF juniors and qualies of tour events and grand slams (if they are lucky).

I chaired a juniors final at the US Open as a white badge. (Roddick vs Ginepri)

Also I chaired a mixed doubles final as a bronze and a women's doubles final as a silver.

P.s. this was a reply to suresh's question about schools but I forgot to quote his question.

Rattler
06-06-2012, 10:01 PM
Are there any minimal educational requirements to be an umpire?

Past the certification class and test, no...but you'd be surprised at the education level of more than a few us, doctors, lawyers, ph.d's lots of graduate degrees, diverse professionals, and a including myself a handful of University Professors.

Rattler
06-06-2012, 10:03 PM
I'm surprised anybody wants to do this job. You get yelled at, disrespected by **** like Roddick,and abused. Plus, you live in relative poverty while looking at multimillionaires. Discouraging.

Lol, there a a lot more players who aren't any where near millions.

Rattler
06-06-2012, 10:05 PM
Trouble with this kind of job is that it is thankless. If you do it well, nobody notices or cares, even if you had done it well, you are the convenient source for people, players and fans, to take out their frustration with a match on. Why would anybody choose this line of work?

Love of the game....kinda like visiting this site.

chandler bing
06-07-2012, 12:16 AM
I used to do some line umpiring back in the 90s and the pay was **** - you couldn't live on it. Most of the other umpires I knew at the time were upper middle class or they had other jobs. I was a poor kid so I couldn't afford to do it fulltime.

sureshs
06-07-2012, 06:28 AM
The ITF has certification schools to obtain white and bronze badge levels.

Most national federations have schools that are 1-2 days.

The ITF white badge school is a 3 day school which goes over the rules, the code and situations. Taught by 2 gold badges usually. There is an exam of multiple choice questions. The white badge school is held usually during an ITF men's futures. The candidates chair a match during the qualies of the futures. To pass the candidate needs an 85% or better on the written exam and a good evaluation on court.

The bronze badge school is taught by a rep from ITF, WTA and ATP. It's also 3 days and concentrates more on communication with players and advanced chair umpire techniques. At that school you are graded on everything, quizzes, verbal answers, and the exam. The exam is 70 multiple choice questions, 10 short answer/essay questions and a one on one verbal exam with one of the instructors which are ITF/WTA/ATP gold badge chair umpires or referees. To pass your cumulative total percentage needs to be 85%. It's a very intense tough 3 days.

Silver and gold badges are given on a promotion basis based on experience, international work and evaluation grades. Of course there are some politics as well, but that is more from silver to gold.

Gold badges are qualified to do any match at any tournament. Silver can do any match except grand slam singles finals and Davis cup finals.

Bronze do early round grand slam matches and your event matches and get most of their experience at challengers.

Whites do almost all of their matches at challengers, futures, ITF juniors and qualies of tour events and grand slams (if they are lucky).

I chaired a juniors final at the US Open as a white badge. (Roddick vs Ginepri)

Also I chaired a mixed doubles final as a bronze and a women's doubles final as a silver.

P.s. this was a reply to suresh's question about schools but I forgot to quote his question.

I see. I thought by school you meant a permanent establishment and I was wondering why I had never heard of "Woodrow Umpiring Academy" in Florida.

Also, curious about "politics." Is it based on countries lobbying for representation and a feeling that too many umpires are from a certain place, we need to broaden the base, etc?

sureshs
06-07-2012, 06:30 AM
Past the certification class and test, no...but you'd be surprised at the education level of more than a few us, doctors, lawyers, ph.d's lots of graduate degrees, diverse professionals, and a including myself a handful of University Professors.

I hope the doctors are not umpiring during their practising years :-)

woodrow1029
06-07-2012, 09:06 AM
I was wondering why I had never heard of "Woodrow Umpiring Academy" in Florida.



LOL. It definitely wouldn't be in Florida. :-)

norcal
06-07-2012, 09:45 AM
Thanks for the info Woodrow and Rattler, very interesting.

Have you guys ever heard of rumors/allegations of match fixing by linespeople, chairs etc? As someone mentioned with hawkeye it's a lot less likely these days.

Magnetite
06-07-2012, 11:25 AM
Seems like it takes little training, and practically anyone can do the job.

I'm not surprised it doesn't pay well.

PONG
06-07-2012, 11:39 AM
This sounds right to me. I seem to recall hearing in the Monte Carlo tournament that one of the chairs had a home there...can't be doing too badly.

Tournaments such as the European Masters Series events and the 4 grand slams, specifically the AO, pay more because wages in general in those countries are higher than the US. In Australia they were earning $25 AUD per hour.

Rattler
06-07-2012, 08:39 PM
Thanks for the info Woodrow and Rattler, very interesting.

Have you guys ever heard of rumors/allegations of match fixing by linespeople, chairs etc? As someone mentioned with hawkeye it's a lot less likely these days.

No, that would be pretty foolish, there are more than a few people on the court who can see...pretty sure that would be detected quickly and those involved would be barred from the sport with prejudice.

HughJars
12-17-2014, 06:22 AM
Tournaments such as the European Masters Series events and the 4 grand slams, specifically the AO, pay more because wages in general in those countries are higher than the US. In Australia they were earning $25 AUD per hour.

$25 AUD is minimum wage here in Oz. Its illegal to pay anyone less - foreigner or local.

donquijote
12-17-2014, 07:10 AM
$25 AUD is minimum wage here in Oz. Its illegal to pay anyone less - foreigner or local.

That is not true. Minimum wage in Aus is 17.39 according to Wikipedia but the rate changes based on the industry the worker working in or the special condition if any.

Still 17.39 is pretty good compared to the shitte people get here in Canada which is 10.25.

donquijote
12-17-2014, 07:21 AM
There are about 6 chair umpires that are full time salaried and/or contracted chair umpires with the ITF, about 10 with ATP and about 7 with the WTA. They make roughly between $30,000-$70,000 per year, plus all expenses while on the road.

As ITF/ATP/WTA Silver and Gold Badge chair umpires, the rest of us make roughly between $15,000-$30,000 per year, with MOST expenses paid (although if we are not specifically hired as a chair umpire for a certain tournament like the Grand Slams, the majority of our plane tickets come out of pocket. Housing and meals onsite are included.

Line umpires make between $70-$150 per day usually. Wimbledon and Roland Garros it's a bit more because of the exchange rate only, but not by much.

It is hard to believe that someone will become a top umpire and accept less than $70 K to travel the world non-stop away from their families.

An elite football (read soccer:for US people) refree gets $5400-7300 per Euro Champs League match. In MLS (North American Soccer League) the lowest pay per game is $700 and highest $3500 per match.

sureshs
12-17-2014, 07:24 AM
It is hard to believe that someone will become a top umpire and accept less than $70 K to travel the world non-stop away from their families.


But consider how much power he wields over the top players

MatsPhilander
12-17-2014, 07:28 AM
Always wonder how good umpires bladders must be when they are sitting there for 4 or 5 hours during an epic match. The players go off court for comfort breaks etc but I have never seen an umpire going off from memory. Are they allowed to?

sureshs
12-17-2014, 07:31 AM
Always wonder how good umpires bladders must be when they are sitting there for 4 or 5 hours during an epic match. The players go off court for comfort breaks etc but I have never seen an umpire going off from memory. Are they allowed to?

Yes.

And I think some of them pop a pill for that.

woodrow had clarified this once.

donquijote
12-17-2014, 08:44 AM
Always wonder how good umpires bladders must be when they are sitting there for 4 or 5 hours during an epic match. The players go off court for comfort breaks etc but I have never seen an umpire going off from memory. Are they allowed to?

No, they sh.t and pee into their pants. Also no drinks allowed until the match is over.

Also I am wondering why female umpires don't wear skirts. It'd look nice on Eva Asderaki. :)

sureshs
12-17-2014, 09:01 AM
Also I am wondering why female umpires don't wear skirts.

Because someone could plant a camera underneath

donquijote
12-17-2014, 10:53 AM
Because someone could plant a camera underneath

You're so dirty. :)