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Speranza
06-05-2012, 02:58 PM
"Wilander: Novak Slam The Greatest
Mats Wilander, the 1982, ‘85, ‘88 champion, believes that if Djokovic were to hold all four major titles at the same time by lifting his first trophy on Parisian clay it would be equal to anything achieved in the sport’s history. “You’d have to put him straight up there with a [Bjorn] Borg, maybe Rafa [Nadal] too, just as an achievement. You couldn’t put him past Roger,” stated Wilander.

Wilander said a Djokovic non-calendar year Slam would “easily” equal Laver’s 1969 calendar year feat. “It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make any difference (if it’s the same year). The thing about Rod Laver, three of them were on grass - so in that way, you can put four in a row and the calendar Grand Slam (together). They’re the same because they only played on two surfaces back then. Four in a row is what matters really.”

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/06/23/Roland-Garros-Tuesday2-Diary.aspx

Watson: I say surprise as I'd have thought he'd have put the 4 in succession alongside anything Roger did, but I stand corrected as he doesn't seem to think that.

I agree with him in that it not being in the same year makes no difference, and that it should be regarded as highly as Laver's, if Novak does it.

kishnabe
06-05-2012, 03:04 PM
It worthless when Federer has the chance to hold win 4 majors in a row....but when it is Novak. It is equal to Laver.

What a troll this Willander....

Speranza
06-05-2012, 03:10 PM
It worthless when Federer has the chance to hold win 4 majors in a row....but when it is Novak. It is equal to Laver.

What a troll this Willander....

Holmes: Really? When did he say this? It only adds to my surprise of what he's saying here, that if Novak does it, it doesn't put him above Federer's accomplishments.

jm1980
06-05-2012, 03:10 PM
It worthless when Federer has the chance to hold win 4 majors in a row....but when it is Novak. It is equal to Laver.

What a troll this Willander....

“You’d have to put him straight up there with a Borg, maybe Rafa [Nadal] too, just as an achievement.[B] You couldn’t put him past Roger,” stated Wilander.

:roll:

10rolleyes

kishnabe
06-05-2012, 03:13 PM
Sorry I spoke without reading the most important parts.

The Bawss
06-05-2012, 03:18 PM
Lol, maybe Wilander is only a troll when commentating the AO.

tennis_pro
06-05-2012, 04:10 PM
Sorry I spoke without reading the most important parts.

haha and you'd think you knew Wilander

To be honest I expected something like "if Djokovic beats Federer in the SF he's a way better clay courter than him"

Clarky21
06-05-2012, 04:28 PM
Wilander is a moron. Enough said.

billnepill
06-05-2012, 04:42 PM
Enough with these comparisons. It would be a great achievement. It would be not greater or less significant than Laver's.

And no, he won't be as great as Nadal or Borg yet. A few more slams and matches to be played and won...

Mike Bulgakov
06-05-2012, 10:01 PM
"Wilander: Novak Slam The Greatest
Mats Wilander, the 1982, ‘85, ‘88 champion, believes that if Djokovic were to hold all four major titles at the same time by lifting his first trophy on Parisian clay it would be equal to anything achieved in the sport’s history. “You’d have to put him straight up there with a [Bjorn] Borg, maybe Rafa [Nadal] too, just as an achievement. You couldn’t put him past Roger,” stated Wilander.

Wilander said a Djokovic non-calendar year Slam would “easily” equal Laver’s 1969 calendar year feat. “It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make any difference (if it’s the same year). The thing about Rod Laver, three of them were on grass - so in that way, you can put four in a row and the calendar Grand Slam (together). They’re the same because they only played on two surfaces back then. Four in a row is what matters really.”

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/06/23/Roland-Garros-Tuesday2-Diary.aspx

Watson: I say surprise as I'd have thought he'd have put the 4 in succession alongside anything Roger did, but I stand corrected as he doesn't seem to think that.

I agree with him in that it not being in the same year makes no difference, and that it should be regarded as highly as Laver's, if Novak does it.
I agree with Mats, who I think is a really smart guy regarding tennis. I have a lot of respect for him. Novak, Roger, or Rafael could achieve amazing records by winning this tournament. This is a great time in tennis.

peRFection
06-05-2012, 10:36 PM
"Wilander: Novak Slam The Greatest
Mats Wilander, the 1982, ‘85, ‘88 champion, believes that if Djokovic were to hold all four major titles at the same time by lifting his first trophy on Parisian clay it would be equal to anything achieved in the sport’s history. “You’d have to put him straight up there with a Borg, maybe Rafa [Nadal] too, just as an achievement.[B] You couldn’t put him past Roger,” stated Wilander.

Wilander said a Djokovic non-calendar year Slam would “easily” equal Laver’s 1969 calendar year feat. “It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make any difference (if it’s the same year). The thing about Rod Laver, three of them were on grass - so in that way, you can put four in a row and the calendar Grand Slam (together). They’re the same because they only played on two surfaces back then. Four in a row is what matters really.”

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/06/23/Roland-Garros-Tuesday2-Diary.aspx

Watson: I say surprise as I'd have thought he'd have put the 4 in succession alongside anything Roger did, but I stand corrected as he doesn't seem to think that.

I agree with him in that it not being in the same year makes no difference, and that it should be regarded as highly as Laver's, if Novak does it.

Different planet. Alleeeeeeez Roger

BreakPoint
06-05-2012, 10:39 PM
To be honest I expected something like "if Djokovic beats Federer in the SF he's a way better clay courter than him"
Federer has won the French Open and been to 5 French Open finals. Djokovic has not even been to a single French Open final, so how does that make Djokovic a better clay court player than Federer? :confused:

Wuppy
06-05-2012, 10:56 PM
I agree the whole "calendar year" is pretty arbitrary and meaningless. What about holding them all in the same Chinese calendar year?

Bartelby
06-05-2012, 10:59 PM
Wilander speaks English in an eerily similar way to Federer.

Ralph
06-05-2012, 11:08 PM
Wilander speaks English in an eerily similar way to Federer.

LOL, yes, he does doesn't he!

TennisLovaLova
06-05-2012, 11:20 PM
Did you know that cocaine causes a neurone holocaust in your brain that lasts even when you stop using it?
Matt's just confirming what the science knows...

Sentinel
06-05-2012, 11:25 PM
Wilander is a moron. Enough said.
So you disagree that Antacid will be winning the RG.:)

rb__11
06-06-2012, 03:49 AM
a few days ago Wilander said that Federer was the second greatest clay court player of all time.

sureshs
06-06-2012, 06:36 AM
Federer has won the French Open and been to 5 French Open finals. Djokovic has not even been to a single French Open final, so how does that make Djokovic a better clay court player than Federer? :confused:

In sports, the #2 guy doesn't count.

sureshs
06-06-2012, 06:39 AM
Laver should be immediately arrested due to his winning the Calendar Slam on only two surfaces. With a little effort, he could have laid down hard courts at the Slams himself and played on it, but he never tried. He cannot be pardoned.

merlinpinpin
06-06-2012, 07:05 AM
Watson: I say surprise as I'd have thought he'd have put the 4 in succession alongside anything Roger did, but I stand corrected as he doesn't seem to think that.

The difference is that a GS (calendar or not) is a single achievement, and no matter how big they are, single achievements are different from career achievements, and the total sum of what players like Laver and Federer achieved is much more than a single GS, huge as this is. :)

Flash O'Groove
06-06-2012, 07:23 AM
The difference is that a GS (calendar or not) is a single achievement, and no matter how big they are, single achievements are different from career achievements, and the total sum of what players like Laver and Federer achieved is much more than a single GS, huge as this is

Totally agree. Novak would be the only player to hold four slams on 3 differents surfaces, but Roger is as well the only player to have won 16 slam. What is the more valuable? Being the absolute best player for a short span of time, of being at the top of the game for years?

Satsuma Illini
06-06-2012, 08:28 AM
Wilander is one of the smartest guys to ever play the game. He's very honest sometimes and his commentary is never boring. A non-calendar Novak Slam is a bigger achievement than a '69 Laver Slam any day.

merlinpinpin
06-06-2012, 10:24 AM
Totally agree. Novak would be the only player to hold four slams on 3 differents surfaces, but Roger is as well the only player to have won 16 slam. What is the more valuable? Being the absolute best player for a short span of time, of being at the top of the game for years?

Second option, of course. Otherwise, there would be no GOAT debate, Budge would have been anointed an age ago with his 6 slams in succession before he joined the pro tour.

West Coast Ace
06-06-2012, 06:46 PM
I think Wilander, like Becker, like JMac, like Cash... say things to get attention. Worked here. They go back and forth - talk up the favorites and don't say anything controversial, then occasionally let something crazy out.

When they tie him up like James Bond in Casino Royale and start swinging the rope (you all remember the scene), we'll see who he really thinks is the GOAT... :)

1970CRBase
06-06-2012, 06:51 PM
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When they tie him up like James Bond in Casino Royale and start swinging the rope (you all remember the scene), we'll see who he really thinks is the GOAT... :)

I think it is a good idea anyway, regardless of whom he thinks is goat.

West Coast Ace
06-06-2012, 06:55 PM
I think it is a good idea anyway, regardless of whom he thinks is goat.LOL!

"A little to the right!"

frinton
06-06-2012, 09:17 PM
Spot on, couldn't have said it better!

The difference is that a GS (calendar or not) is a single achievement, and no matter how big they are, single achievements are different from career achievements, and the total sum of what players like Laver and Federer achieved is much more than a single GS, huge as this is. :)