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The Dark Knight
06-29-2012, 04:54 AM
Watch :

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/MaldwynDyer/nadalnudge.gif[/QUOTE]

*Val*
06-29-2012, 04:58 AM
Yeah, when I watched the clips after hearing the description I did think it had been exaggerated (he more brushed into him). The intent was still there, though.

dman72
06-29-2012, 05:00 AM
Whatever you want to call it (a brush, a bump, coping a feel) it was intentional and gamey.

Bartelby
06-29-2012, 05:01 AM
He pushed him with his forearm and checked him - a very subtle bump full of 'plausible deniability'.

The Bawss
06-29-2012, 05:02 AM
Whatever you want to call it (a brush, a bump, coping a feel) it was intentional and gamey.

Yes and he also clearly didn't apologise straight away. It's a terrible, childish attitude to have, remember all the dumb little kids look up to this *** so he best keep himself in check.

Tennisguy777
06-29-2012, 05:04 AM
he was avoiding the microphones that's his excuse

Cormorant
06-29-2012, 05:08 AM
That gif took me a whole three minutes to make; cheers for the credit.

ViscaB
06-29-2012, 05:09 AM
Indeed. Ah well let the sad ones have their moment of glory. After all Nadal has denied them so many moments of glory in the last years.

courtking
06-29-2012, 05:11 AM
That's why Nadal lost.. He crossed the line first.. He always let the other guy go first but he jinxed himself.. I wonder why none dare accidentally kick Nadal's water bottles.. that would tick him off..

OldFedIsOld
06-29-2012, 05:17 AM
Whatever you want to call it (a brush, a bump, coping a feel) it was intentional and gamey.

"My elbow on your belly feels good, no?" :lol:

skip1969
06-29-2012, 05:24 AM
look, i ain't about to get into an endless argument about something that happened thousands of miles away from me and took two seconds, but any sane person with any kind of awareness of their body/limbs and the notion of "personal space" knows when they've encroached on someone else's "space".

preoccupied at work and walking down the hallway, texting while walking down the street, strolling down the aisle at the store . . . even if you're totally daydreaming or totally drunk, you know when you've gotten just a bit too close to someone. and the natural reaction is to look up and say "woops" or "sorry bout that" or "pardon me" or acknowledge that you've encroached.

of course, it's not a crime if you don't. but if you don't, well you can't be surprised if the other guy thinks you're a bit of a dick.

SLD76
06-29-2012, 05:26 AM
"My elbow on your belly feels good, no?" :lol:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I actually laughed out loud at that one.

PCXL-Fan
06-29-2012, 05:32 AM
Watch the video closely, Rosol slightly turns into Nadal for a moment.

Rosol clearly was aware he was in the trajectory to bump into Nadal. He was setting to get into Nadals space and end up in a situation where he knew it would force Nadal or one of the two to take the subordinate position and move out of the way. He was consciously letting himself get really close and brush up against Nadal and get into Nadals head. Its like 2 guys walking down the street about to bump into each other one is forced to move out of the way. Except he was setting up the situation. He was forcing Nadal to move out of the way and that bump he wouldn't let go. Rosol was trying to push Nadals buttons like he had all game. Even the act throwing of the racket towards the net near the general direction of Nadal is a subtle act of intimidation towards ones opponent (had it been Nadal or Melzer or anyone).

I should have posted this earlier. There is something odd, and artificial about Rosol in his demeanor and his behaviour in the press interview videos I saw about him.

And just little subtle things. It almost seems that he enjoys damaging Rafas reputation. Reading the transcript it almost seems that Rosol gets joy and wants to slightly embellish this action that Rafa makes. He doesn't let it go. He knows the press will dig into it. Most other opponents would just forget about it or dismiss it. But Rosol doesn't let it go and reads deep into it as Nadal doing something negative. The entire game he was intimidating Nadal in a way.

Breaker
06-29-2012, 05:34 AM
http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/31673/1256685820/Specsavers.jpg

time for a visit OP

The Dark Knight
06-29-2012, 05:37 AM
Yeah, when I watched the clips after hearing the description I did think it had been exaggerated (he more brushed into him). The intent was still there, though.

Ahhh.....so now we know Nadals state of mind.

I don't think it was intentional at all. If you look at the video Rosol was sort of daydreaming and had his face in a towel.

Nadal was simply full of concentration and thinking . In fact of you look closely when nadal felt he was getting closer he actually pulled his shoulder away. That's why tey did not bump into each other.


Nadal barely touched him of at all.

Guys come on. This was nothing .

Hi I'm Ray
06-29-2012, 05:38 AM
I'm neither pro or anti Djoko/Fed/Nad but from the gif you can see Nad does have to move his left arm to avoid the equipment. So where Rosol is standing only leaves a narrow space for Nad to get through.

I'm guessing Nad was probably pretty ****ed he was losing badly to #100 in a early round and not thinking about carefully avoiding Rosol. That's not a bump or a "hit" especially if he's turning his body a bit sideways. What guy could seriously call that a hit or even a shove?

PCXL-Fan
06-29-2012, 05:45 AM
I'm neither pro or anti Djoko/Fed/Nad but from the gif you can see Nad does have to move his left arm to avoid the equipment. So where Rosol is standing only leaves a narrow space for Nad to get through.

I'm guessing Nad was probably pretty ****ed he was losing badly to #100 in a early round and not thinking about carefully avoiding Rosol. That's not a bump or a "hit" especially if he's turning his body a bit sideways. What guy could seriously call that a hit or even a shove?

Exactly hes trying to embellish and exaggerate it and att he very least isn't letting it going and knows the press will eat it up. Watch that gif closely a few times, for a moment Rosol sortta turns into Nadal with his head and the cloth towel.

Magnetite
06-29-2012, 05:48 AM
It was nothing, he rushed to his chair which isn't normal for Nadal, but there was no real bump.

It was just hyped up for the story.

jmverdugo
06-29-2012, 05:49 AM
you know what ... I think Rosol actually saw Nadal coming, covered his head with the towel and went ahead to try to reduce the space between Nadal and the black thing - very passive aggressive move right there.

PCXL-Fan
06-29-2012, 05:51 AM
nvm 10 char.

Feather
06-29-2012, 05:54 AM
look, i ain't about to get into an endless argument about something that happened thousands of miles away from me and took two seconds, but any sane person with any kind of awareness of their body/limbs and the notion of "personal space" knows when they've encroached on someone else's "space".

preoccupied at work and walking down the hallway, texting while walking down the street, strolling down the aisle at the store . . . even if you're totally daydreaming or totally drunk, you know when you've gotten just a bit too close to someone. and the natural reaction is to look up and say "woops" or "sorry bout that" or "pardon me" or acknowledge that you've encroached.

of course, it's not a crime if you don't. but if you don't, well you can't be surprised if the other guy thinks you're a bit of a dick.

Very nice post, I also agree with your comment about "personal space".

BLiND
06-29-2012, 06:03 AM
Anyone else think this proves Nadal did check Rosol?... he clearly, its the sort of thing I remember doing in school as a kid!

Breaker
06-29-2012, 06:08 AM
Anyone else think this proves Nadal did check Rosol?... he clearly, its the sort of thing I remember doing in school as a kid!

Stevie Wonder could see it was intentional.

Gorecki
06-29-2012, 06:10 AM
http://media1.onsugar.com/files/upl2/4/41251/30_2009/image_4.jpg

SLD76
06-29-2012, 06:12 AM
Stevie Wonder could see it was intentional.

:)


its threads like this that underscore how far people can go to support a cause.

and its scary.

Gorecki
06-29-2012, 06:17 AM
:)


its threads like this that underscore how far people can go to support a cause.

and its scary.

but then you have Xiscab who says it's the sad losers blah blah...

being a sad loser is denying this!!!

Marius_Hancu
06-29-2012, 06:26 AM
I'm more interested in what Rosol did until that point, for Nadal was definitely ****ed off

I only watched the 5th set, and there I didn't see anything special, except Rosol in zone:-)

The Dark Knight
06-29-2012, 06:38 AM
The real problem:

Nadal beat Federer in the greatest match of all time in Feds house.

Fed fans will never get over that.

The Dark Knight
06-29-2012, 06:41 AM
Very nice post, I also agree with your comment about "personal space".

Yeah he intentionaly barely brushed Rosols shoulder.

Come on at least he would do it right if it was intentional.

Hitman
06-29-2012, 06:44 AM
I think the fact that Nadal is always so humble that he pretty much always lets his opponent pass before him to the chair, that this looks strangely odd.

And it happened just after Nadal was verbally going at it with the umpire, he just happened to not let Rosol not pass before him, and he happened to be eager for once to get back to his seat. And Rosol at that point just happened to not have read the script on how the match was meant to go.

TheTruth
06-29-2012, 10:04 AM
It was nothing.

Agree with P?'s analogy. It makes sense and isn't digging for hidden meanings.

backatcha
06-29-2012, 01:01 PM
Yea that's right... yea, it was Rosol, yea, that Rosol walked right into Nadal, yea, there was no bump, yea, it was just a brush, yea, it was nothing, yea, Nadal was just trying to avoid the cameras, yea, you guys are all just Nadal haters, yea, you guys are all just crazy... Oh, could you please pass more of the Kool-aid over here?

Crisstti
06-29-2012, 01:36 PM
Watch the video closely, Rosol slightly turns into Nadal for a moment.

Rosol clearly was aware he was in the trajectory to bump into Nadal. He was setting to get into Nadals space and end up in a situation where he knew it would force Nadal or one of the two to take the subordinate position and move out of the way. He was consciously letting himself get really close and brush up against Nadal and get into Nadals head. Its like 2 guys walking down the street about to bump into each other one is forced to move out of the way. Except he was setting up the situation. He was forcing Nadal to move out of the way and that bump he wouldn't let go. Rosol was trying to push Nadals buttons like he had all game. Even the act throwing of the racket towards the net near the general direction of Nadal is a subtle act of intimidation towards ones opponent (had it been Nadal or Melzer or anyone).

I should have posted this earlier. There is something odd, and artificial about Rosol in his demeanor and his behaviour in the press interview videos I saw about him.

And just little subtle things. It almost seems that he enjoys damaging Rafas reputation. Reading the transcript it almost seems that Rosol gets joy and wants to slightly embellish this action that Rafa makes. He doesn't let it go. He knows the press will dig into it. Most other opponents would just forget about it or dismiss it. But Rosol doesn't let it go and reads deep into it as Nadal doing something negative. The entire game he was intimidating Nadal in a way.

I'm neither pro or anti Djoko/Fed/Nad but from the gif you can see Nad does have to move his left arm to avoid the equipment. So where Rosol is standing only leaves a narrow space for Nad to get through.

I'm guessing Nad was probably pretty ****ed he was losing badly to #100 in a early round and not thinking about carefully avoiding Rosol. That's not a bump or a "hit" especially if he's turning his body a bit sideways. What guy could seriously call that a hit or even a shove?

Indeed, you can see that very clearly. He would have had to defer to Rosol and let him go first for them not to(oh, so very slightly) bump into each other, and he just wasn't willing to do it like he always does. Probably because he was upset about something Rosol was doing, whatever it was.

Rosol could have moved away as well, and let Rafa go first... he might have been trying indeed to somehow intimidate and make Nadal stop, and he just wouldn't. In any case, Rosol is either a big crybaby, or he's a Fed lover Rafa hater like some here, given his ridiculous comments.

TMF
06-29-2012, 04:14 PM
Nadal always allow the other player to walk across his path first, let him shake hand with umpire first too. He's very polite when he's winning, but this time it's a different story because he was losing the match. It's pretty clear he saw Rosol was heading toward his path and didn't bother to stop as he normally does it in the past. If Nadal was leading in the match, I'm sure he would politely stop and let Rosol go first instead of bumbing into him. Notice Rosol was walking slowly, had he was walking fast as Nadal, the impact would be much bigger.

MichaelNadal
06-29-2012, 04:23 PM
There's been a million bumps in tennis. Only with Nadal do we never hear the end of it.

Atherton2003
06-29-2012, 04:27 PM
I didn't see anything that horrendous with this. Nadal "brushed" past him cause the other guy left little room for him to get past without bumping the camera. Rosol could have waited and let Nadal pass. However, Nadal was clearly annoyed with Rosol because under normal conditions, Nadal ALWAYS lets the opponent pass by first. That being said, I don't think Rosol cared too much - he was most likely elated that he annoyed Nadal so much...and the outcome of that was a victory for Rosol....

Crisstti
06-29-2012, 04:38 PM
Nadal always allow the other player to walk across his path first, let him shake hand with umpire first too. He's very polite when he's winning, but this time it's a different story because he was losing the match. It's pretty clear he saw Rosol was heading toward his path and didn't bother to stop as he normally does it in the past. If Nadal was leading in the match, I'm sure he would politely stop and let Rosol go first instead of bumbing into him. Notice Rosol was walking slowly, had he was walking fast as Nadal, the impact would be much bigger.

That he always does it doesn't mean he HAS to do it, does it?.

Also, it's BS he didn't because he was losing. He never did it against Djokovic, just to name one example.

egn
06-29-2012, 04:45 PM
The only reason such a big deal was made about the bump was that it happened right after Nadal flipped out to the chair.

Clarky21
06-29-2012, 04:53 PM
There's been a million bumps in tennis. Only with Nadal do we never hear the end of it.



Yep. You know this is par for the course,though. Nadal cannot do anything without it being seen as devious,and scrutinized to death. Fed curses out umps,break rackets,and makes arrogant comments but those things are just fine and the excuses for him get trotted out right on cue. Rolaids is allowed to say pure filth to the linesmen,curse and taunt the crowd,break rackets,break chairs,and act a fool but he's just passionate about tennis so it is excused. Nadal barely,and I mean barely brushes by a guy going back to his chair and it is made into a federal case,and the gallows are being readied(yet again) for his indescretions,even though he apologized 3 different times for it. It's all too typical around here,and I honestly find it so ridiculous it's hilarious.

Atherton2003
06-29-2012, 04:56 PM
Why would Nadal apologize? Rosol should have apologize for not giving Nadal room to pass by....

TMF
06-29-2012, 04:57 PM
That he always does it doesn't mean he HAS to do it, does it?.
But why chose to be nice only when he feel good about himself(winning the match comfortably) but not when he's down?


Also, it's BS he didn't because he was losing. He never did it against Djokovic, just to name one example.

I disagree. If Nadal was cruising through the match he wouldn't have bumped into Rosol.

The Dark Knight
06-29-2012, 05:25 PM
Watch :

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/MaldwynDyer/nadalnudge.gif[/QUOTE]

It was nothing .

SLD76
06-29-2012, 05:50 PM
It was nothing .[/QUOTE]


it was such a nothing that nadal fans in other threads repeatedly asserted that Nadal apologized multiple times for a bump that didnt happen.

TheTruth
06-29-2012, 05:53 PM
It was nothing .[/QUOTE]

Not only that, but Rosol clearly stopped. Why wouldn't Nadal keep walking? It would have been stupid to stop when Rosol was also stopped. What they should have both stopped and no one moved forward?

TheNatural
06-29-2012, 06:11 PM
Rosol underestimated the width of Nadal's shoulders, he should have stopped a bit earlier.

rommil
06-29-2012, 06:52 PM
One thing's sure, Rosol bumped Nadal:)

BobFL
06-29-2012, 07:07 PM
Rosol stopped. Nadal was so ready for a collision.

Crisstti
06-29-2012, 07:08 PM
But why chose to be nice only when he feel good about himself(winning the match comfortably) but not when he's down?

I disagree. If Nadal was cruising through the match he wouldn't have bumped into Rosol.

Again, it doesn't matter if he wouldn't have done it if he was winning easily. FACT is still, he doesn't do it when he's losing, otherwise he wouldn't have let Djokovic go through first in, you know, the 7 times in a row he lost to him.

He simply for some reason didn't feel like defering to Rosol there like he always does, probably because he was annoyed with him about something. But he did absolutely nothing wrong, he is in no way obligued to let the another player go first.

It was nothing .

Not only that, but Rosol clearly stopped. Why wouldn't Nadal keep walking? It would have been stupid to stop when Rosol was also stopped. What they should have both stopped and no one moved forward?[/QUOTE]

Lol, exactly. Hilarious really. He stopped and let very little room for Rafa to go through, he would have had to either stop himsel and say, no, you go first, or tried to slide through what space there was, or do what he did.

Why would Nadal apologize? Rosol should have apologize for not giving Nadal room to pass by....

I'm thinking the same thing. He's just too nice and apologizes when he doesn't even have to. I remember he apologized to Fish for a bathroom break in the WTF last year I think... It's exactly the kind of attitude that makes bullies target people like him, or Murray.

The Dark Knight
06-29-2012, 07:46 PM
It was nothing .


it was such a nothing that nadal fans in other threads repeatedly asserted that Nadal apologized multiple times for a bump that didnt happen.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't a "bump" but a "brush" .....your characterization of what occurred is wrong .

And even if you do it inadvertently you apologize.

It happens everyday in a coffee shop, department store , on the train.....you say
Sorry to let the person know you didn't mean it.

On the other hand I wish he did bump him.....I think that kind of fire is cool.

I'm sick of this metrosexual panzy Asz tennis. We need some players with balls like Connors or McEnroe

No man purse b.s.

RF20Lennon
06-30-2012, 07:48 AM
Granted it was just a brush but the way nadal was walking he probably wasnt thinking straight and was tensed and then pulled back a bit as soon as he realized but he was going for the collsion no denying that but i agree its being blown way out of proportion this is completely amateur compared to Mcenroe/Connors

Leto
06-30-2012, 11:22 AM
The ONLY person who knows for sure whether Rafa intended to bump/brush/elbow/contact Rosol, is Rafa himself.

I still think it is interesting that it occurred, and obviously, many journalists/commentators did as well. So don't get the posts suggesting this is something that only Rafa haters on TT, manufactured out of nothing.

I, for one, am not a Rafa hater, but I'm also not a Rafa lover :)

IMO, I think it is 50/50 between....

a) Rafa intentionally trying to get in Rosol's head by changing his normal routine, established over 100's of matches, of lettting his opponent cross first....or....

b) Rafa being honestly thrown off his game and just being too absorbed in the moment, to remember his usual etiquette of letting his opponent cross first...

(According to friends I have at the CIA, there is actually better footage of this, and while I have not yet seen this top secret footage myself, there are early reports that suggest that there MAY have been a second bumper in area near the knolliest part of the grasscourt :shock:)

tistrapukcipeht
06-30-2012, 12:18 PM
Actually I only found that Nadal bumped into Rosol here, since I was watching Germany VS Italy.

Will I see anything worse from Nadal?

I have seen just about everything, I wonder what's next from him.

The Dark Knight
06-30-2012, 02:00 PM
Bump > merely a possible brush.

Watch :

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/MaldwynDyer/nadalnudge.gif[/QUOTE]

Leto
06-30-2012, 02:13 PM
Bump > merely a possible brush.

[/QUOTE]

Meh....doesn't really matter what you call it, since the controversy is more about the intent, as opposed to quibbling about bump vs brush.

Having said that, it was closer to a bump than just a brush, in my opinion :)

Wuppy
06-30-2012, 02:23 PM
Nadal usually waits for the other dude to cross first. That's why it was so blatant. He charged in and crossed first and slammed the other guy in the chest.

Clarky21
06-30-2012, 02:26 PM
Nadal usually waits for the other dude to cross first. That's why it was so blatant. He charged in and crossed first and slammed the other guy in the chest.


Dramatic much?

RF20Lennon
06-30-2012, 02:33 PM
Rosol was walking, Rafa got up and ran and wasnt thinking straight he ALMOST hit him and then pulled back after realizing. YES the intent MIGHT have been there. YES he MAY have been angry, YES he complained about a stupid thing. ITS OVER HE LOST its unbelievable how people are discussing this more than the match itself!! We can discuss this till the crows come home and even somehow miraculously find out that Nadal wanted to kill him but there is not a speck anyone here can do about it so lets get back to discussing TENNIS!!!

goderer
06-30-2012, 02:40 PM
Very bad from Nadal, he normally likes to wait for his opponent and then takes a huge step forward over some sort of invisible dog that's blocking his path. This time he just plain and simply punched Rosol in the face and barged him into the netpost.

Crisstti
06-30-2012, 05:55 PM
You people are pathetic. Rosol stopped and didn't let enough room for Rafa to go by (notice what Rafa brushes with the left side of his body.) This was done by Rosol on purpose, to cause a confrontation with Rafa, and controversy. These type of things always help the cause of the underdog, and people eat it up like fools.

Possibly. What is really pathetic though is his whining about it afterwards.

BobFL
06-30-2012, 06:45 PM
Nadal is clown. So, he apologized 10 times for something he didn't do? What kind of cerebral cramp is this?

The Dark Knight
06-30-2012, 07:02 PM
Nadal is clown. So, he apologized 10 times for something he didn't do? What kind of cerebral cramp is this?


Nadal also apologized to crying Federer for beating Federer at the AO.

It's just the type of guy he is.

By the way where is this apology ? I'd like to read it.

Sentinel
06-30-2012, 08:28 PM
One thing's sure, Rosol bumped Nadal:)
You didn't mistype hump did you? :oops::oops:

Leto
07-01-2012, 03:49 PM
Very bad from Nadal, he normally likes to wait for his opponent and then takes a huge step forward over some sort of invisible dog that's blocking his path. This time he just plain and simply punched Rosol in the face and barged him into the netpost.

The way I saw it, he merely SLAPPED Rosol in the face with a closed fist, with noticeable excessive force.

How anyone could have mistaken this as being anything close to a PUNCH, is beyond me :)

CLOSED FIST SLAP, WITH DEADLY FORCE AND an INTENT TO KILL < PUNCH

:)

DoubleDeuce
07-01-2012, 05:45 PM
Then why did he appologize 3 times?

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 06:36 PM
Then why did he appologize 3 times?

Rosol says he did....I didn't see any apology.

Epictennis
07-01-2012, 06:43 PM
Watch the video closely, Rosol slightly turns into Nadal for a moment.

Rosol clearly was aware he was in the trajectory to bump into Nadal. He was setting to get into Nadals space and end up in a situation where he knew it would force Nadal or one of the two to take the subordinate position and move out of the way. He was consciously letting himself get really close and brush up against Nadal and get into Nadals head. Its like 2 guys walking down the street about to bump into each other one is forced to move out of the way. Except he was setting up the situation. He was forcing Nadal to move out of the way and that bump he wouldn't let go. Rosol was trying to push Nadals buttons like he had all game. Even the act throwing of the racket towards the net near the general direction of Nadal is a subtle act of intimidation towards ones opponent (had it been Nadal or Melzer or anyone).

I should have posted this earlier. There is something odd, and artificial about Rosol in his demeanor and his behaviour in the press interview videos I saw about him.

And just little subtle things. It almost seems that he enjoys damaging Rafas reputation. Reading the transcript it almost seems that Rosol gets joy and wants to slightly embellish this action that Rafa makes. He doesn't let it go. He knows the press will dig into it. Most other opponents would just forget about it or dismiss it. But Rosol doesn't let it go and reads deep into it as Nadal doing something negative. The entire game he was intimidating Nadal in a way.

:) Very clever way of looking at it... We are witnessing a Conspiracy!:-o

kishnabe
07-01-2012, 07:34 PM
Who cares move on. No one got hurt. It not like Jimmy Connors coming up to your face to bully you.

Happens in the WTA a lot...and no one complains. Only when Nadal does it...does it multiply. Yes he isn't a classy guy....but this is exagerated because he isn't.

Sentinel
07-01-2012, 08:20 PM
What is the doctor's diagnosis? What do the X-rays and MRI's say ?

Has Rosol recovered from the damage/shock caused by Nadal's assault. I hope there are no fractures to the rib cage. I hope there is no mental or emotional damage or shock, as that could affect Rosol's Olympic and USO campaign.

Is Czechoslovakia pressing charges against Spain ? Has Nadal been arrested or at least interrogated by The Yard for assault and battery.

debsonthesofa
07-02-2012, 12:43 PM
Evening...
I had the dubious pleasure of being courtside for Mr Rosol's 1st round encounter with Ivan Dodig. 90mph balls drilled into the stomach and cheese eating grins at DFs not withstanding, he seems a nice guy :-|

(His strangely overdressed parents not allowing anyone to sit next to them in the non-reserved area was quite amusing too..desperately trying to surround themselves with coats and bags and gesturing wildly at people that came near :shock:)