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The Dark Knight
06-30-2012, 12:10 PM
No player has ever done so much so fast.

waarp
06-30-2012, 12:11 PM
Borg had 11 slams by 25 too.

90's Clay
06-30-2012, 12:17 PM
Borg did it as well... And he had a longer stint at #1

Ralph
06-30-2012, 12:18 PM
No player has ever done so much so fast.

Quite right. No (at least) two time champion has exited to a 100 ranked player in the second round of a major whilst at his peak - that's fast.

Oh how you must seething :) And to top it off, Rosol goes out in the next round... his work was done, him beating Ralph was his own personal Wimbledon title there and then ;)

The Bawss
06-30-2012, 12:19 PM
Total facepalm. Nadal was 26 when he won his 11th grandslam. Borg was a better 25 year old player.

billnepill
06-30-2012, 12:22 PM
No player has ever done so much so fast.

No, Borg was far more dominant against real competition on surfaces which don't play the same. Nadal faced the weak era champion Federer for most of his slams.

DM07
06-30-2012, 12:23 PM
Fed also had 11 slams before turning 26. Rafa got his 11th after turning 26.

Both had the same number of titles overall on their 26th birthday - 49 - but Fed had more weeks at Number 1.

Praetorian
06-30-2012, 12:25 PM
http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg

Russeljones
06-30-2012, 12:28 PM
0 WTFs.......

Hood_Man
06-30-2012, 12:30 PM
TDK, please see me after class, your work is slipping again.

TheF1Bob
06-30-2012, 12:34 PM
Long time no see ***. :)

mcenroefan
06-30-2012, 12:37 PM
1. Doesn't win in weeks at #1 category
2. Doesn't win in GS category
3. has been ranked #2-#3 in the world for the vast majority of his career. Even in his prime, struggling to stay ahead of a 31 year old for the #2 spot in the world.
4. Still has never defended a title off of his favorite surface
5. has a losing record in finals of his second best slam
6. Still hasn't won a WTF much less multiple WTF's
7. has shown no dominance anywhere but clay
8. not a great fast court player, not really a great medium speed court player...yep, it's pretty much clay.

Yep, he's better than Borg, Fed, Laver, et al.

JustBob
06-30-2012, 01:16 PM
The Dark Knight, aptly named because the "little light" never comes on.

Leto
06-30-2012, 01:26 PM
The problem here, is that TDK did not use an oversized font in his original post.

Everyone would be agreeing with him in this thread, if he had simply used a huge oversized font :)

The Dark Knight
06-30-2012, 01:58 PM
1. Doesn't win in weeks at #1 category
2. Doesn't win in GS category
3. has been ranked #2-#3 in the world for the vast majority of his career. Even in his prime, struggling to stay ahead of a 31 year old for the #2 spot in the world.
4. Still has never defended a title off of his favorite surface
5. has a losing record in finals of his second best slam
6. Still hasn't won a WTF much less multiple WTF's
7. has shown no dominance anywhere but clay
8. not a great fast court player, not really a great medium speed court player...yep, it's pretty much clay.

Yep, he's better than Borg, Fed, Laver, et al.

1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

Leto
06-30-2012, 02:05 PM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

You should have quit while you had a chance....everyone was just about to agree with you once you used the large fonts....but sigh....you had to continue on with weak and/or inaccurate arguments...

(Hint...it is June, and Rafa is already 26...and was 26 before winning RG, at least in most of the world...perhaps you're in a different time zone, where June 3 hasn't happened yet :shock:).

billnepill
06-30-2012, 02:16 PM
TDK is in a different dimension where June hasn't happened yet and 11>16. Wow

Agent Orynge
06-30-2012, 02:17 PM
Crow must taste delicious.

Hood_Man
06-30-2012, 02:18 PM
I tip my hat to you TDK, you are determined.

Cup8489
06-30-2012, 02:23 PM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

Epic...epic fail.

It's June 30th...3 full weeks past Rafa's 26th Birthday, which happened before the conclusion of Roland Garros. So... he has 11 majors at 26, but only 10 at 25.

LOL.

RF20Lennon
06-30-2012, 02:28 PM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

What the hell are you smoking son?? Montreal, Cincinnati, Shanghai, Paris, WTF london even if you dont count indoor he still fails didnt make it in doha, australian open, montreal or cincinnati

tudwell
06-30-2012, 02:41 PM
I tip my hat to you TDK, you are determined.

His persistence is ... well, not admirable but certainly something to behold.

JustBob
06-30-2012, 02:42 PM
The Dark Knight is the silliest 15 year old of all time


And I dare you to disprove it!

Leto
06-30-2012, 02:46 PM
The Dark Knight is the silliest 15 year old of all time


And I dare you to disprove it!

Sorry, but from what I've heard, TDK won't be turning 15 until June :oops:

waarp
06-30-2012, 02:49 PM
Sorry, but from what I've heard, TDK won't be turning 15 until June :oops:


LOL! Oh christ I almost ruined my keyboard.

Numenor
06-30-2012, 02:51 PM
Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time

No, Lawrence Bragg was the greatest 25 year old of all time. He won a Nobel in Physics, and actually contributed something significant to science. What the hell has Nadal done that compares to that?

RF20Lennon
06-30-2012, 03:00 PM
No, Lawrence Bragg was the greatest 25 year old of all time. He won a Nobel in Physics, and actually contributed something significant to science. What the hell has Nadal done that compares to that?

you really think in a tennis forum GOAT means out of all people in the world???

mcenroefan
06-30-2012, 03:02 PM
No, Lawrence Bragg was the greatest 25 year old of all time. He won a Nobel in Physics, and actually contributed something significant to science. What the hell has Nadal done that compares to that?

OK, if that is the context, then I nominate Alexander the Great....clearly more impressive at 25 than Fed, Laver, Sampras, Borg, and Nadal rolled into one.

TheF1Bob
06-30-2012, 03:03 PM
Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time

1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21249498.jpg

Numenor
06-30-2012, 03:06 PM
you really think in a tennis forum GOAT means out of all people in the world???

How can I be sure that the OP was talking about tennis? He made an idiotic blanket statement about Nadal being the best 25 year old of all time. I felt inclined to correct that notion, as winning a Nobel in the sciences is >>>> any tennis (or sport) achievement.

Of, if that is the context, then it's Alexander the Great....clearly more impressive than Fed, LAver, Sampras, Borg, and Nadal rolled into one.

Yup, exactly.

GodNovak
06-30-2012, 03:24 PM
How can I be sure that the OP was talking about tennis? He made an idiotic blanket statement about Nadal being the best 25 year old of all time. I felt inclined to correct that notion, as winning a Nobel in the sciences is >>>> any tennis (or sport) achievement.



Yup, exactly.

That's really ridiculous.

10is
06-30-2012, 03:40 PM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.

http://timthethief.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/funny-pictures-humor-fat-batman-costume.png



Ummm.... going by the solar calendar you must surely be an extraterrestial? Which planet are you living on? June is almost at an end and Nadal turned 26 during the French Open before winning his 11th major. Federer is the only player to have won 11 majors by age 25.

My dearest TDK, I'm afraid your sheer idiocy on display here is utterly irredeemable.

Hood_Man
06-30-2012, 03:49 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/ash_lee392/nskanye.jpg

FlashFlare11
06-30-2012, 03:57 PM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

1 - Shows a dominance over the rest of the field (i.e. does matter)
2 - He was 26 before he won RG2012
3 - Who said Becker was in this conversation?
4 - No, he didn't win Wimbledon in two consecutive years (i.e. defending). You don't even know the meaning of the word "defend", seemingly.
5 - Who said Borg was in this conversation?
6 - Correction: Nadal fans don't care about WTF because Nadal has never won it. Every past all-time great has won it and valued it as just below the slams.
7 - Where is Nadal's dominance on HCs? Showing up at just the slams does not reflect dominance on a single surface.
8 - Actually, you made sense here

10is
06-30-2012, 04:00 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/ash_lee392/nskanye.jpg

LOL! BRILLIANT!!! :lol:

Gorecki
06-30-2012, 04:01 PM
the gigantic letters... another proof that this dumass is King of aces...

The Dark Knight
06-30-2012, 06:22 PM
it's been hatred ever since :
http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Federer/Federer_Images/Federer_Bio.08.gif

Cup8489
06-30-2012, 06:29 PM
Anyone
else feel
like your I.Q.
is inversely proportional
to your average internet font size
?

The Dark Knight
06-30-2012, 06:47 PM
Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time. This is why he is hated:

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/56/nadfedva5.jpg

waarp
06-30-2012, 06:56 PM
Lohan is the greatest 25 yr old. She has more totalled cars than Nadal has majors.

TheF1Bob
06-30-2012, 06:56 PM
Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time. This is why he is hated:

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/56/nadfedva5.jpg

Even the illustrator knows ****** can only do his thing on clay.

Nice MJ tribute by the way.

The Dark Knight
06-30-2012, 06:58 PM
it's been hatred ever since :
http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Federer/Federer_Images/Federer_Bio.08.gif

I believe this was grass and when all the hatred understandably started.

BullDogTennis
06-30-2012, 08:35 PM
No, Borg was far more dominant against real competition on surfaces which don't play the same. Nadal faced the weak era champion Federer for most of his slams.

brb pushing the ball over the net with wood racquets

Sentinel
06-30-2012, 09:23 PM
Long time no see ***. :)
Yeah, where is rosol_spam_king anyway, miss him too.

Anyway, wonderful insightful tread by Dark Knight. Not much one can add, OP says it all.

Agassifan
06-30-2012, 09:23 PM
Fed also had 11 slams before turning 26. Rafa got his 11th after turning 26.

Both had the same number of titles overall on their 26th birthday - 49 - but Fed had more weeks at Number 1.

Exactly!! lol pwned.

Sabratha
06-30-2012, 09:24 PM
Borg is better, as many people have said.

kiki
07-01-2012, 01:12 AM
Nadal the greatest 25? jajaja.A certain Bjorn Borg had won 3 indoor majors when he retired at 25 ( plus 11 GS titles)...while Nadal canīt even smell a win indoors.

zagor
07-01-2012, 02:50 AM
Personally I'd go with Borg.

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 03:59 AM
Nadal the greatest 25? jajaja.A certain Bjorn Borg had won 3 indoor majors when he retired at 25 ( plus 11 GS titles)...while Nadal canīt even smell a win indoors.

Never won AO or USO and take a wild guess who hold the world record for most clay court wins in a row.....Rafa Nadal..

Rafa also beat the greatest of all time .

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 04:02 AM
Exactly!! lol pwned.

Yeah but Nadal is 8-2 at slams and Beats Fed at just about every slam. So to say he is better than Nadal is insane.

Omega_7000
07-01-2012, 04:15 AM
Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time. This is why he is hated:

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/56/nadfedva5.jpg

There you go *******,

http://www.toonpool.com/user/23742/files/how_to_serve_nadal_1397725.jpg

tennis_pro
07-01-2012, 04:41 AM
Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time

http://www.lattimore.id.au/images/roger-federer-australian-open-2007.jpg

http://chiefwritingwolf.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bjorn-borg.jpg

Say what?

above bored
07-01-2012, 04:43 AM
Yeah but Nadal is 8-2 at slams and Beats Fed at just about every slam. So to say he is better than Nadal is insane.
Not really. The circumstances surrounding the evolution of Federer's and Nadal's playing history has been fortuitously advantageous to Nadal from the very beginning. Having the advantage of playing free of pressure and Federer having added pressure whenever they competed (especially early on), having the advantage of the clay season preceding Federer's preferred part of the year (which was key in helping Nadal develop the confidence to compete against Federer from Wimbledon onwards), currently being in his mid 20s while Federer is in his 30s, not to mention the challenges of Federer's recovery from mono in 2008, the cards have fallen in such a manner which has given Nadal the best chance of competing against Federer. Neutralize these advantages and you have a different story.

Povl Carstensen
07-01-2012, 04:57 AM
Yeah but Nadal is 8-2 at slams and Beats Fed at just about every slam. So to say he is better than Nadal is insane.At 25 the head to head was 8-6 Nadal, 6 of Nadals wins comming on clay. On other surfaces it was 5-2 Federer. In slams it was 2-2.

Raging Buddha
07-01-2012, 05:05 AM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.
http://daviddemar.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/thewordintelligenceisalsothepolaroppositeofdolan_0 a6e3bd1f9d88e169795acdf58dd97ee.jpg

kiki
07-01-2012, 05:40 AM
Never won AO or USO and take a wild guess who hold the world record for most clay court wins in a row.....Rafa Nadal..

Rafa also beat the greatest of all time .

Nadal has won major titles in 3 surfaces, just the very same that Borg did.

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 06:08 AM
http://portrait.sebrieu.com/public/Dessin%20du%20jour/dessin%20du%20jour%202008/juin/9_juin_2008_-_nadal_-_sebrieu.com.jpg

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 06:10 AM
Nadal has won major titles in 3 surfaces, just the very same that Borg did.

Sorry Borg only won on two grand slam surface French and Wimbledon. He never won the USO or the AO.

TopFH
07-01-2012, 06:11 AM
Stop feeding the troll.

TheF1Bob
07-01-2012, 06:26 AM
Stop feeding the troll.

Everybody is ecstatic to see ***. :lol:

Hood_Man
07-01-2012, 06:29 AM
Is this NSK? I always thought *** had limits, and therefore was more like The Dark Knight than this guy.

TheF1Bob
07-01-2012, 06:31 AM
Is this NSK? I always thought *** had limits, and therefore was more like The Dark Knight than this guy.

What u saying, doc..... :-?

primetennis
07-01-2012, 06:34 AM
Yeah but Nadal is 8-2 at slams and Beats Fed at just about every slam. So to say he is better than Nadal is insane.

h2h is not a criterion for anything..u can just compare the no. of titles..but h2h gives nothing bcoz the sport is much bigger than any 2 players..h2h means nothing..only 2 players dont play tennis..and only semis and finals r not real matches u need to start from round1 and nadal lost many matches b4 reaching finals when compared to fed who reached almost every final in their rivalry..

Hood_Man
07-01-2012, 06:39 AM
What u saying, doc..... :-?

I always imagined *** as someone who would just wind people up for his amusement, but every now and then a bit of decency would accidentally slip through, making me think he was really an OK guy.

And that's why I was fine with him, I gave him a bit of good natured ribbing for it but ultimately I assumed he was someone who was just amusing himself on the internet, and who am I to stop someone from doing that? I do the same, except my targets of amusement are the players not the fans :)

TDK doesn't seem to have any rules, he's more like the Joker to me than Batman :lol:

There's another green account somewhere who reminds me more of ***, but I can't remember the name.

Gorecki
07-01-2012, 06:42 AM
Like i said before.

Double line spacing
repeating the same arguments and insults to Fed and Wife
constant self quoting
quoting former pros around and around so he can co-substantiate himself.
massive letters thinking he can sell the idea like that.

that, my dear posters is a style of posting he cannot help himself to go back after a few days. that is Attila the tennis bum, The Ball on your court, The king of aces and a few more i cannot recal now...

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 06:46 AM
Like i said before.

Double line spacing
repeating the same arguments and insults to Fed and Wife
constant self quoting
quoting former pros around and around so he can co-substantiate himself.
massive letters thinking he can sell the idea like that.

that, my dear posters is a style of posting he cannot help himself to go back after a few days. that is Attila the tennis bum, The Ball on your court, The king of aces and a few more i cannot recal now...

You are double spacing.

Feather
07-01-2012, 06:49 AM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

It's amazingly silly to know that this guy doesn't know either the meaning of "defending" or when Rafa won his Wimbledon's. I was under the impression that he started following Tennis two or three years ago now that's also wrong..

lolz

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 07:06 AM
hum. no! besides stupid you are also blind?

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. :-)

And it's not "hum" but "um".

TheF1Bob
07-01-2012, 07:35 AM
I always imagined *** as someone who would just wind people up for his amusement, but every now and then a bit of decency would accidentally slip through, making me think he was really an OK guy.

And that's why I was fine with him, I gave him a bit of good natured ribbing for it but ultimately I assumed he was someone who was just amusing himself on the internet, and who am I to stop someone from doing that? I do the same, except my targets of amusement are the players not the fans :)

TDK doesn't seem to have any rules, he's more like the Joker to me than Batman :lol:

There's another green account somewhere who reminds me more of ***, but I can't remember the name.

Fair enough doc.

*** was great, he really was but he isn't bigger than TT i.e not TheF1Bob. :lol:

LOL this green account isn't TeamNadal is it? *** was that by the way.

kiki
07-01-2012, 07:54 AM
Sorry Borg only won on two grand slam surface French and Wimbledon. He never won the USO or the AO.

2 Masters and 1 WCT final.In his playing days, those 2 titles were far important than the AO.

jokinla
07-01-2012, 08:02 AM
Stop feeding the troll.

I say this myself everytime I read his threads, but it's impossible.

merlinpinpin
07-01-2012, 10:03 AM
Now, that's good. How can a 26-year old guy be the greatest 25-year old ever? Is he, like, the greatest 2-year old ever, too? Or the greatest 2,423-year old, maybe?

Next threads by TDK, I guess something along the lines of:
"Nadal is the greatest right-handed player ever"
"Nadal is the greatest WTA player ever"
"Nadal is the greatest watermelon-basher ever"
Anything non-sensical in which he is disqualified from the start, in fact...

For the definition of "self-owning", look no further than TDK... :roll:

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 10:19 AM
I think he just turned 26 this month...

But ok Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time , the greatest 26 year old of all time and in fact simply the goat .

Gorecki
07-01-2012, 10:23 AM
^^ please post that in gigantic letter to further convince people!!!

TMF
07-01-2012, 11:30 AM
Nadal is the goat at wasting time between point.

Povl Carstensen
07-01-2012, 01:11 PM
"Unlucky, unlucky, oh yes." Uncle Toni said. "If there wasn't Federer, perhaps Nadal would have been No. 1 for four years. But with Federer, that was impossible."

tennis_pro
07-01-2012, 01:16 PM
I think he just turned 26 this month...

But ok Nadal is the greatest 25 year old of all time , the greatest 26 year old of all time and in fact simply the goat .

Federer.

Nuff said.

TopFH
07-01-2012, 01:17 PM
I said something about not feeding the troll, but I'm ditching it.

TDK, can you please enlighten us a bit? How many GS titles did Nadal have on his 26th birthday? How many did Federer have? How many weeks at No.1 did Nadal have? And Federer?

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 01:25 PM
I said something about not feeding the troll, but I'm ditching it.

TDK, can you please enlighten us a bit? How many GS titles did Nadal have on his 26th birthday? How many did Federer have? How many weeks at No.1 did Nadal have? And Federer?

Better question ....how many more times does Nadal have to beat Federer before you admit that Nadal is better ?

TheF1Bob
07-01-2012, 01:28 PM
Better question ....how many more times does Nadal have to beat Federer before you admit that Nadal is better ?

I got a question, why did people pay to see the joker than you in the The Dark Knight? :confused:

We need answers god dammit!

Hood_Man
07-01-2012, 01:38 PM
Better question ....how many more times does Nadal have to beat Federer before you admit that Nadal is better ?

I'm going to say... 42 8)

NatF
07-01-2012, 01:49 PM
Nadal is so much better than Federer that the nearly 31 old Federer is higher in the rankings than him...

gplracer
07-01-2012, 01:54 PM
Better question ....how many more times does Nadal have to beat Federer before you admit that Nadal is better ?

So when Nadal is 30 and the new top player comes along at 26 and beats Nadal does that make the new guy the goat? It just is not that easy to say who is the greatest of all time. Once again you cannot compare people who are 4+ years apart. If you put Nadal in the time machine and let him play against the likes of Sampras he would not look as good. The reason for this is that back then the courts were so fast that the serve and volley players dominated. I think a lot of has to do with luck. Personally I think some of the best players of all time were the following:
Pete Sampras
Rafael Nadal
Roger Federer
Andre Agassi
Rod Laver

Please forgive me for leaving out many other talented players. These are the ones that come to my mind first. Put Laver in this time period and he might not have done as well against all these tough baseliners. Put Nadal in in the Sampras timezone and he would not have done as well when the courts and the balls were much faster. Hence Sampras might not have done as well against the baseliners of today.

We cannot discount accomplishments of players because we think the competition was not tough either. I bet someone like Agassi would have done even better if he was playing against the players of today instead of the time when serve and volley players ruled. The bottom line is that Nadal is one of the greatest of all time. He is not my choice as the greatest but he is way up there.

tenniselbow1
07-01-2012, 02:02 PM
http://daviddemar.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/thewordintelligenceisalsothepolaroppositeofdolan_0 a6e3bd1f9d88e169795acdf58dd97ee.jpg

This was hilarious. You nailed it.

Cup8489
07-01-2012, 02:30 PM
Nadal is so much better than Federer that the nearly 31 old Federer is higher in the rankings than him...

Agree. He's also so much better than Federer that he intentionally lost two of the last three matches against Federer.

Smasher08
07-01-2012, 05:48 PM
Agree. He's also so much better than Federer that he intentionally lost two of the last three matches against Federer.

QFT. Just like he intentionally tanks every indoor match they have just to throw the old dog a bone.

Fewer slams, fewer records, fewer weeks at no.1, no non-clay title defences, lower career slam winning percentage, just went out in the second round of a major.

Clearly superior in every way.

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 06:37 PM
Nadal is so much better than Federer that the nearly 31 old Federer is higher in the rankings than him...

Nadal has always been better than Federer because he beats Federer. By definition Nadal is better.

The Dark Knight
07-01-2012, 06:38 PM
Agree. He's also so much better than Federer that he intentionally lost two of the last three matches against Federer.

Tennis is five sets....best of three is half a match.

In a best of five the last time Fed beat nadal was on a grass court 5 years ago when Nadal was still labeled as a clay court specialist.

tudwell
07-01-2012, 06:42 PM
Nadal has always been better than Federer because he beats Federer. By definition Nadal is better.

So Davydenko is better than Nadal?

Cup8489
07-01-2012, 07:23 PM
Tennis is five sets....best of three is half a match.

In a best of five the last time Fed beat nadal was on a grass court 5 years ago when Nadal was still labeled as a clay court specialist.

AHA.

I'm not on your ignore list. You just can't handle when a reasonable argument that you can't prove wrong is presented to you. Good to know that you were actually seeing my posts in other threads and choosing to ignore them, because you can't actually counter anything I have to say.

And if best of 3 is half a match...have you ever played a 'full match' in your life? Because I have. Do you play tennis? I doubt it.

kishnabe
07-01-2012, 07:37 PM
Better question ....how many more times does Nadal have to beat Federer before you admit that Nadal is better ?

Nadal is the better played when he faces Federer but he isn't the best player against the field.

He doesn't have the best qualities as a player. Federer is perfect balanced everywhere even in his OH Backhand is better than others. Nadal is not perfect but better than Federer in some areas.

kishnabe
07-01-2012, 07:39 PM
Tennis is five sets....best of three is half a match.

In a best of five the last time Fed beat nadal was on a grass court 5 years ago when Nadal was still labeled as a clay court specialist.

Nadal stopped being a CC specialist the day he reached the 2006 Wimbledon final. I don't care if he is a greenhorn then. If 2007 Wimbledon final was his being a greenhorn....then why didn't he do better than 2007 this year.

As far as I am concerned if Federer wins this year Wimbledon....he would defeated Nadal anyways had Nadal made it that far.

tudwell
07-01-2012, 07:58 PM
Nadal stopped being a CC specialist the day he reached the 2006 Wimbledon final.

Nadal was never a clay-court specialist. He won two hard court Masters in 2005 - the only year he's accomplished this. That's more than most players, even perennial top 10-ers, do in a whole career. Hell, he even won indoors, the furthest thing from clay, against a big-serving Croat.

primetennis
07-01-2012, 08:01 PM
Nadal has always been better than Federer because he beats Federer. By definition Nadal is better.

this forum is for people who understand the game..y don't u just quit this forum and join some NO LOGIC-ONLY NADAL kinda forum??

Sentinel
07-01-2012, 08:06 PM
Nadal has always been better than Federer because he beats Federer. By definition Nadal is better.
Funny. I recall some losses in the last year or two. And weren't there even bagels and breadsticks handed out by Roger to Wafa ?

roysid
07-01-2012, 09:14 PM
Maybe. But that's a meaningless category. It's the whole career that matters.
For eg. Who would be the best 17 year old. Becker or Chang. So what?

Feather
07-01-2012, 09:17 PM
Tennis is five sets....best of three is half a match.

In a best of five the last time Fed beat nadal was on a grass court 5 years ago when Nadal was still labeled as a clay court specialist.

So WTA are playing only half a match? There is one thread going on whether WTA should have equal price money or not. You just solved that thread. Congrats !

Raging Buddha
07-01-2012, 09:49 PM
Essential summation of this thread.
http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae110/grinninglizard/replies-Copy.jpg

TRT001
07-01-2012, 09:51 PM
Nadal has always been better than Federer because he beats Federer. By definition Nadal is better.

Then by your terrible logic both Chris Guccione and Paradorn Srichaphan are better by Nadal by definition since they beat Nadal. You fail!

Magnus
07-01-2012, 10:30 PM
Nadal is the greatest butt picker of all time.

tennis_pro
07-01-2012, 11:03 PM
Nadal is the better played when he faces Federer but he isn't the best player against the field.

He doesn't have the best qualities as a player. Federer is perfect balanced everywhere even in his OH Backhand is better than others. Nadal is not perfect but better than Federer in some areas.

Dude I know it, you know it, he knows it. Why even bother?

Gorecki
07-01-2012, 11:52 PM
Nadal has always been better than Federer because he beats Federer. By definition Nadal is better.

aint that so ? my god.. so you are saying Davydenko, Rosol, Corretja and Hrbaty (from top of my head) are better than Nadal?

timnz
07-01-2012, 11:54 PM
1- doesn't matter.
2- he does win ....11 slams and won't be 26 till June . He has the USO and AO left . He's also appeared in more gs finals than borg.
3- doesn't matter . Becker was never year end #1 .
4- yes he has defended a title. He won Wimbledon twice.
5- who cares....Borg never won the AO or USO.
6- no one cares about WTF except fed fans .
7 Borg has never shown dominance on HC ...whereas Nadal has been I believe in every final last year.
8. Nadal can only play on the slams surfaces he is given . 2 wimbys, AO, USO and I don't even know how many finals facing the likes of Fed and Joker.

He was 26'last month and he turned it before winning his 11th major. He was 1 year older than Borg when Borg won his 11th.

Borg only played the australian open once at the age of 17, because it had lost its major status in the mind of most people for over a decade. At the us open hard court he actually has a very good record since he got to the final 3 times in 4 years. Nadal has only made the us open final once (though he did win which borgndidnt do, though borg came incedibly close in 1980). Borg didnt defend his 2008 title, because he didnt enter the 2009 wimbledon. Hence he didnt defend it. Borg hadna much wider range of surface ability than nadal. He could play fantastic of fast indoor carpet and fast grass and was near unbeatable on clay. Nadals range is from slow clay to medium hard court. Nadal is a fantastic player, but Borg is ahead at the stage.

sbengte
07-02-2012, 12:43 AM
Funny. I recall some losses in the last year or two. And weren't there even bagels and breadsticks handed out by Roger to Wafa ?

Most epic avatar, ever. Though he doesn't post using his non-banned account, I am sure he reads posts here and is touched by the tribute :)

Sentinel
07-02-2012, 12:52 AM
aint that so ? my god.. so you are saying Davydenko, Rosol, Corretja and Hrbaty (from top of my head) are better than Nadal?
Most epic avatar ever. I wonder where I've seen it before ;)

Gorecki
07-02-2012, 01:10 AM
Most epic avatar ever. I wonder where I've seen it before ;)

right back at you

Towser83
07-02-2012, 06:33 AM
Why is everyone debating this so hard? The dude doesn't even know what month it was when he started the thread and it was really late June when he proclaimed June was yet to come so lmao. maybe he is not old enough to remember the order of months yet, so its unfair to argue with him. you wouldn't argue with a 3 year old or ******** person would you? Cut him some slack guys.

Gotta say Nadal is the best 25 year old. how many other 25 year olds have actually been 26? He's managed to cram 12 more months into his life than should be possible by the laws of spacetime. He's broken the laws of the universe! so never mind that Borg and federer had won more in tennis at the same age, had they confounded Einstein and Newton? No.

TigerTim
07-02-2012, 08:06 AM
The answer is Bjorn Borg.

Cup8489
07-02-2012, 08:13 AM
Why is everyone debating this so hard? The dude doesn't even know what month it was when he started the thread and it was really late June when he proclaimed June was yet to come so lmao. maybe he is not old enough to remember the order of months yet, so its unfair to argue with him. you wouldn't argue with a 3 year old or ******** person would you? Cut him some slack guys.

Gotta say Nadal is the best 25 year old. how many other 25 year olds have actually been 26? He's managed to cram 12 more months into his life than should be possible by the laws of spacetime. He's broken the laws of the universe! so never mind that Borg and federer had won more in tennis at the same age, had they confounded Einstein and Newton? No.

Well played.

TopFH
07-02-2012, 08:31 AM
Another thread in which TDK got owned.

Shangri La
07-02-2012, 01:11 PM
http://www.lattimore.id.au/images/roger-federer-australian-open-2007.jpg

http://chiefwritingwolf.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bjorn-borg.jpg

Say what?

Say Rosol in 5

The Dark Knight
07-02-2012, 01:26 PM
Nadal is the GOAT.

Hurts doesn't it . :-)

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/227/859/rivalryaustralianopen2009_display_image.jpg

The Dark Knight
07-02-2012, 01:31 PM
http://0.tqn.com/d/tennis/1/0/Y/J/04_roger_federer_rafael_nadal_wimbledon_2008.jpg

cknobman
07-02-2012, 01:38 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8Vi0ILrM267Xzh7J0i-zoB4R1HOSQ0K_QiSnWkKQBAHf45Ohq

There there it will be ok Nadal.

Semi-Pro
07-02-2012, 01:40 PM
Essential summation of this thread.
http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae110/grinninglizard/replies-Copy.jpg

http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae110/grinninglizard/replies-Copy.jpg

:D

The Dark Knight
07-02-2012, 01:49 PM
http://accel21.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/14/22/58/2008/Wimbledon-2008-copie-1.jpg

Cup8489
07-02-2012, 02:04 PM
http://accel21.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/14/22/58/2008/Wimbledon-2008-copie-1.jpg

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq273/xcuppy07x/hurtsdonute.png

:oops::oops:

kiki
07-02-2012, 02:12 PM
Borg still has 3 more majors than Nadal...and he retired at 25, while Nadal is 26 and still playing....

MichaelNadal
07-02-2012, 02:57 PM
Borg still has 3 more majors than Nadal...and he retired at 25, while Nadal is 26 and still playing....

Say what now? lol

Clarky21
07-02-2012, 03:14 PM
Say what now? lol



I was wondering the same thing. Lol.

JustBob
07-02-2012, 03:29 PM
Nadal achieved more than Borg at 25, even though he was really 26, and Borg won 3 slams after he retired.

I will need to ponder this for a while before I can make up my mind as to who is greater.

The Dark Knight
07-02-2012, 04:04 PM
Borg still has 3 more majors than Nadal...and he retired at 25, while Nadal is 26 and still playing....

Borg never won on. Hard court grand slam.

Borg also never dominated Roger Federer.

Cup8489
07-02-2012, 05:07 PM
Borg never won on. Hard court grand slam.

Borg also never dominated Roger Federer.

Roger Federer was not alive during Borg's prime. Not Borg's fault he had McEnroe, Connors, Ashe, Vilas.. etc...

LOL.

Towser83
07-02-2012, 05:34 PM
Well played.

thanks. I might troll him for kicks.

The thing is he's not a clever or funny troll.I'm not sure if he is just mentally lacking or a bad troll or just trying to sound stupid. I mean there was the whole thing where I was debating with his other account, is it Volly king? debating about Miami 2004 and he kept talking about wimbledon, like not even recognising the thing being dicussed. He then accidentally stated that if Federer had Nadal and Djokovic around from the start he'd be so tested and primed from strong competition that Nadal and Djokovic wouldn't stand a chance against him. He then left the thread embarrassed and defeated.

You got to wonder how someone can be that butthurt? It's somewhat satisfying to know someone is so ****ed off that even with his domination over Federer, Nadal has not managed to achieve what Federer has. Prime nadal is still losing in the 2nd round of Wimbledon and has less slams than Federer at his age. His domination over Federer has been a false indicator of his potential success. And that ****es people like the black knight dude off. You know if he wasn't bitter about something Federer has over nadal, he wouldn't post all this crap. So he's given away how much it hurts him :lol:

The Dark Knight
07-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Roger Federer was not alive during Borg's prime. Not Borg's fault he had McEnroe, Connors, Ashe, Vilas.. etc...

LOL.

Yeah and he quit after McEnroe started dominating him.

I know that's going to bother some Borg fans.....I'm sorry but it's a big part of why he quit.

Feather
07-02-2012, 10:02 PM
thanks. I might troll him for kicks.

The thing is he's not a clever or funny troll.I'm not sure if he is just mentally lacking or a bad troll or just trying to sound stupid. I mean there was the whole thing where I was debating with his other account, is it Volly king? debating about Miami 2004 and he kept talking about wimbledon, like not even recognising the thing being dicussed. He then accidentally stated that if Federer had Nadal and Djokovic around from the start he'd be so tested and primed from strong competition that Nadal and Djokovic wouldn't stand a chance against him. He then left the thread embarrassed and defeated.

You got to wonder how someone can be that butthurt? It's somewhat satisfying to know someone is so ****ed off that even with his domination over Federer, Nadal has not managed to achieve what Federer has. Prime nadal is still losing in the 2nd round of Wimbledon and has less slams than Federer at his age. His domination over Federer has been a false indicator of his potential success. And that ****es people like the black knight dude off. You know if he wasn't bitter about something Federer has over nadal, he wouldn't post all this crap. So he's given away how much it hurts him :lol:

Nice post, as usual, from you :)

TigerTim
07-03-2012, 02:10 AM
Yeah and he quit after McEnroe started dominating him.

I know that's going to bother some Borg fans.....I'm sorry but it's a big part of why he quit.

yep. Plus he'd been mentally worn out by that stage, he didn't have the fight left in him to get back to the top, look at the last 3 sets of the '81 USO for example.

The Dark Knight
07-03-2012, 03:56 AM
yep. Plus he'd been mentally worn out by that stage, he didn't have the fight left in him to get back to the top, look at the last 3 sets of the '81 USO for example.

I think Borg quit for a number of reasons.

Sure it was burn out ....but Nadal plays even more tennis than Borg ever had and never burned out.

Nadal also had a horrible year against Joker, the difference is Birg quit and Nadal keeps on fighting and trying .

Nadal is clearly mentally stronger which clearly makes Nadal greater .

zcarzach
07-03-2012, 04:30 AM
Watch this video and tell me again that it was McEnroe that caused Borg to retire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_eDWwSoec

Praetorian
07-03-2012, 05:17 AM
Nadal is the GOAT.

Hurts doesn't it . :-)

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/227/859/rivalryaustralianopen2009_display_image.jpg

It would if it was true. But we have no problem with you being in the minority that feels so.

Cup8489
07-03-2012, 05:29 AM
I think Borg quit for a number of reasons.

Sure it was burn out ....but Nadal plays even more tennis than Borg ever had and never burned out.

Nadal also had a horrible year against Joker, the difference is Birg quit and Nadal keeps on fighting and trying .

Nadal is clearly mentally stronger which clearly makes Nadal greater .

Borg didn't quit because of McEnroe.

Gangsta
07-03-2012, 05:37 AM
LOL. Nice thread to remind *******s of how they sound.

tennis_pro
07-03-2012, 05:42 AM
LOL. Nice thread to remind *******s of how they sound.

wow youre so gangsta

Cup8489
07-03-2012, 07:03 AM
wow youre so gangsta

too gangsta for me.

Cup8489
07-03-2012, 07:03 AM
LOL. Nice thread to remind *******s of how they sound.

except he's got a better argument than Nadal. LOL.

6-1 6-3 6-0
07-03-2012, 07:10 AM
Nadal is building up an incredibly strong case for being GOAT, leading Federer 18-10 in the H2H and 8-2 in the slam H2H.
He already has the surface streak record of 81.
Nadal is the only man in world history to win slams on clay, grass, hardcourt in a calendar year.
And Nadal already has the masters shields record, and can add to that by winning his pet events.

jackson vile
07-03-2012, 07:13 AM
LOL. Nice thread to remind *******s of how they sound.

They say all kinds of stupid stuff like this, but if anyone else says the exact same things they say, they freak out. Largest hypocrites on the forums for sure.

billnepill
07-03-2012, 12:08 PM
Common, was TDK banned just for being wrong? Jeez

-RF-
07-03-2012, 12:12 PM
Imo, the one with the most GS's will be goat. We can't tell now, it's too early. Give it 5 years, till Nadal retires.

kiki
07-03-2012, 12:29 PM
Borg never won on. Hard court grand slam.

Borg also never dominated Roger Federer.

Neither did Nadal dominate Jimmy Connors...

SoCalJay
07-03-2012, 12:34 PM
Looks like the OP got banned. I'm new around these forums and was going to ask "Is this guy for real?"... Now I have my answer!

jackson vile
07-03-2012, 12:50 PM
Common, was TDK banned just for being wrong? Jeez

It is no coincidence that he speak out against crazy fans of Federer and then is banned. This is what, the 20th something time it has happened?

Toxicmilk
07-03-2012, 01:02 PM
It is no coincidence that he speak out against crazy fans of Federer and then is banned. This is what, the 20th something time it has happened?

We all saw the way he went about it...eh....

Gorecki
07-03-2012, 01:35 PM
It is no coincidence that he speak out against crazy fans of Federer and then is banned. This is what, the 20th something time it has happened?

is that so? By all means, please let us know about your feeling towards Mods policies and practices. you should really vent it out.

c'mon Jack... let it out...

Hood_Man
07-03-2012, 01:49 PM
is that so? By all means, please let us know about your feeling towards Mods policies and practices. you should really vent it out.

c'mon Jack... let it out...

Brace yourself...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090129204429/uncyclopedia/images/4/45/Nuke_explosion.gif

R.Federer
07-03-2012, 02:17 PM
the more people being banned for dumb threads the better

TopFH
07-03-2012, 02:21 PM
Nadal is building up an incredibly strong case for being GOAT, leading Federer 18-10 in the H2H and 8-2 in the slam H2H.
He already has the surface streak record of 81.
Nadal is the only man in world history to win slams on clay, grass, hardcourt in a calendar year.
And Nadal already has the masters shields record, and can add to that by winning his pet events.

It seems like we have heard this quite a few times from other banned users...

jokinla
07-03-2012, 10:23 PM
Looks like the OP got banned. I'm new around these forums and was going to ask "Is this guy for real?"... Now I have my answer!

Something tells me he'd already created a new ID, just look at some of the other characters spouting the exact same lunacy.

kiki
07-05-2012, 01:41 PM
Say what now? lol

1 WCT an 2 Masters.Nadal never won a major indoor event neither did Borg win the hard court US Championships title.

MG1
07-05-2012, 01:51 PM
It is no coincidence that he speak out against crazy fans of Federer and then is banned. This is what, the 20th something time it has happened?

Your post count may be helping you ...mods are getting fooled by your post count that you are not a troll!!

DM07
07-05-2012, 02:07 PM
To be fair, it's probably true that Nadal is the greatest 26-year-old World Number 3 in history ... :)