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mcenroefan
07-01-2012, 08:40 AM
Any thoughts on J Mac's opinion that men should start playing 2 of 3 instead of 3 of 5? I believe the implication is that it is a better test of tennis skill as opposed to stamina. In today's era, this is a particulalry interesting and thought provoking suggestion.

Thoughts?

Mick
07-01-2012, 08:42 AM
If that was the case, Federer would have been out of this year's Wimbledon already :)

forzamilan90
07-01-2012, 08:43 AM
IDK about that, that would diverge from history in a big way, having the guys play less sets. I like the current system as it is.

iriraz
07-01-2012, 08:46 AM
In that case,u could see a lot more surprises and i doubt it`s in the interest of the tournaments,TV,sponsorship etc if lots of top guys lose early.The longer the matches,the more it favours the better players and at the end of the day the Grand Slams are the biggest tournaments,it should be a lot tougher to win then a regular ATP event.
I can`t imagine having a 2 week tournament,where men play best of 3 set matches with a day off in between.

drakulie
07-01-2012, 08:49 AM
Yes, great idea. And the women should play best of 1 set.

mcenroefan
07-01-2012, 08:51 AM
It definitely has its upside and downside. One thing I like about it though is the instantaneous pressure on the top players....pressure with the very first serve.

They'll never do it but I would like a 2 of 3 system with slightly longer sets....maybe 7-8 game sets.

I don't particulary appreciate matches in this era that turn solely upon stamina in the 5th set.

Too radical of course but does make for interesting conversation.

TennisDawg
07-01-2012, 08:53 AM
How about 2 of 3 in the early rounds. 3 of 5 from the quarters on to the final. It would make for a better final IMO, the two left standing still have some reserve to play some quality tennis instead of making it a marathon.

Sid_Vicious
07-01-2012, 09:04 AM
I would stop watching pro tennis.

It was bad enough that best of 5 set format was removed from Masters event finals.

Larrysümmers
07-01-2012, 09:06 AM
how about no ad scoring too

Sid_Vicious
07-01-2012, 09:09 AM
how about no ad scoring too

I love it. Throw in playable let-cord serves and we have ourselves a brilliant revolutionary men's tennis tour.

Blinkism
07-01-2012, 09:11 AM
Yes, great idea. And the women should play best of 1 set.

I second this idea.

mcenroefan
07-01-2012, 09:12 AM
Actually, it does bring up an interesting theoretical question:

How many times would Fed, Nadal or Nole crashed out of a GS if it were 2 of 3?

Put a better way, which of the top three would have more trouble adapting to a 2 of 3 format...which would be the best in a 2 of 3 format?

Praetorian
07-01-2012, 09:14 AM
I second this idea.

I would too, AND, they pay is cut in half.

Mick
07-01-2012, 09:20 AM
last summer, a friend of mine went to see a Serena Williams match. He complained that it was over too quickly. If you cut the match into 1 set, it could be done in 15 minutes.

rafan
07-01-2012, 09:30 AM
What should be addressed is this ridiculous situation with the fifth set whereby the players have to go on and on (like Cilic had to and Isner) until they get 2 clean games - now that is stupid

rafan
07-01-2012, 09:32 AM
Actually, it does bring up an interesting theoretical question:

How many times would Fed, Nadal or Nole crashed out of a GS if it were 2 of 3?

Put a better way, which of the top three would have more trouble adapting to a 2 of 3 format...which would be the best in a 2 of 3 format?

Well the thing to do is take a look at what happened in the three setter matches and how they compare with the the stats

Sentinel
07-01-2012, 09:39 AM
last summer, a friend of mine went to see a Serena Williams match. He complained that it was over too quickly. If you cut the match into 1 set, it could be done in 15 minutes.
Are you sure he was complaining? Must have been delirious with joy that it finished so fast :) but you mistook the delirium with complaining.

The_Order
07-01-2012, 09:54 AM
Sometimes it's best to keep stupid thoughts to yourself. I would stop watching if they did this.

kishnabe
07-01-2012, 10:05 AM
I think it would be better to lower the height of the net....and allow better flatter hitting and serves.

Or speed up the courts like the 90's!

Will show better skills than boring grinding.

namelessone
07-01-2012, 10:09 AM
Mac is losing it, big time.

After this and Nadal is the best volleyer I wonder what his next "revelation" will be.

MichaelNadal
07-01-2012, 11:47 AM
I would stop watching pro tennis.

It was bad enough that best of 5 set format was removed from Masters event finals.

I agree, that would be ridiculous!

Murrayfan31
07-01-2012, 11:50 AM
Mac's age catching up with his ideas. He should retire from commentating.

Hood_Man
07-01-2012, 11:53 AM
Mac would say that, he'd have won that French Open Final if it was Best of 3...

BHiC
07-01-2012, 11:58 AM
In that case,u could see a lot more surprises and i doubt it`s in the interest of the tournaments,TV,sponsorship etc if lots of top guys lose early.The longer the matches,the more it favours the better players and at the end of the day the Grand Slams are the biggest tournaments,it should be a lot tougher to win then a regular ATP event.
I can`t imagine having a 2 week tournament,where men play best of 3 set matches with a day off in between.

I disagree with the fact that we would see many more upsets. We do not see upset after upset in other tournaments that are best 2 out of 3, so I see no reason to believe that we would see it at the Grand Slams were they to change. If there were more upsets, then I still think that would help the sport. If someone with a great story has a breakthrough major, then it might attract more media attention. I think that tennis would increase in US media coverage dramatically were someone such as Brian Baker to make the finals of Wimbledon.

ollinger
07-01-2012, 12:02 PM
I've long felt the same way as Mac about this. Best of five gives a player too much time to potentially play badly before getting started, and the early sets just lack urgency for the fans, who are as likely to head for the food court as be in their seats for these marathons.

papertank
07-01-2012, 12:25 PM
I think it's fine the way it is. There is no reason men should play best of 3. And I'm fine with women playing best of 3 because that means we see less of them.

Govnor
07-01-2012, 12:33 PM
The Tennis can still be plenty good in the 5th set.

TheF1Bob
07-01-2012, 12:42 PM
John McEnroe - Been talking ***** ever since he retired from the was good game of tennis.

TennisDawg
07-01-2012, 12:44 PM
If we limited to 3 of 5 sets in the early rounds, the upside would be that we don't have as many boring 5 setters in the early rounds. i.e. yesterday's Sam Querry vs Cilic match. If all professional tennis matches were like that, I would stop watching Pro Tennis.

SystemicAnomaly
07-01-2012, 02:29 PM
Best of 3 wouldn't be a bad idea of it was first to 8 games for each set rather than 6 games. (If you want to make it it more about stamina, then go with first to 9 games/set).

If the women want equal pay, then let them play best of 3 sets with first to 8 games per set. The women should be able to handle that.

mistik
07-01-2012, 02:58 PM
I wonder what will be Johny Macs next stupid idea.

Bobby Jr
07-01-2012, 04:16 PM
If that was the case, Federer would have been out of this year's Wimbledon already :)
But he likely would have won two more US Opens... Not a bad swap really.

Mustard
07-01-2012, 04:19 PM
Both men and women should be playing best of 5 sets in the majors. These are the biggest prizes in tennis and should be the hardest to win.

Nostradamus
07-01-2012, 04:19 PM
Any thoughts on J Mac's opinion that men should start playing 2 of 3 instead of 3 of 5? I believe the implication is that it is a better test of tennis skill as opposed to stamina. In today's era, this is a particulalry interesting and thought provoking suggestion.

Thoughts?

J Mac ignorance is bliss. Tennis is about stamina not just skills. If it was just about skills, marcelo Rios would have won 10 majors.

CRWV
07-01-2012, 04:35 PM
no net cord lets, leave in adv. scoring, best of three, no tiebreak!

Imagine if guys Isner and Querrey had to learn how to construct a break of serve or play 150 games/match. :) :lol:

Moose Malloy
07-01-2012, 04:46 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if best of 5 is removed from the majors in the next 10-15 years, except maybe just the finals. the writing has been on the wall for sometime, look at how many best of 5 set matches at non slam events there were in 1990. then 2000. and today.

The slams will still be hugely popular events with best of 3 format & the tv networks(who really run the show) will be much happier with best of 3.

and we probably wouldn't have as many matches suspended due to darkness with best of 3.

this isn't really such a crazy idea by Mac at all(again the tv networks would love it)

and maybe players will have longer careers(today we have so many more 30 year olds on tour compared to 10-20 years ago, maybe we'll have a bunch of 40 year olds on tour in the future with only best of 3 used)

fyi the USO used to have best of 3 through the round of 16

Def
07-01-2012, 04:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if best of 5 is removed from the majors in the next 10-15 years, except maybe just the finals. the writing has been on the wall for sometime, look at how many best of 5 set matches at non slam events there were in 1990. then 2000. and today.

The slams will still be hugely popular events with best of 3 format & the tv networks(who really run the show) will be much happier with best of 3.

and we probably wouldn't have as many matches suspended due to darkness with best of 3.

this isn't really such a crazy idea by Mac at all(again the tv networks would love it)

and maybe players will have longer careers(today we have so many more 30 year olds on tour compared to 10-20 years ago, maybe we'll have a bunch of 40 year olds on tour in the future with only best of 3 used)

fyi the USO used to have best of 3 through the round of 16

I thought that was only for doubles?

Mustard
07-01-2012, 05:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if best of 5 is removed from the majors in the next 10-15 years, except maybe just the finals. the writing has been on the wall for sometime.

That would be really horrible.

the tv networks would love it

Would they? I can't imagine how they could possibly sell the contemporary champions as better than their predecessors if they get rid of the best of 5 set format. None of this "history" stuff will wash at all.

MichaelNadal
07-01-2012, 06:53 PM
That would be really horrible.



Would they? I can't imagine how they could possibly sell the contemporary champions as better than their predecessors if they get rid of the best of 5 set format. None of this "history" stuff will wash at all.

That would be a huge, huge controversy, and should never happen.

big_bill
07-01-2012, 06:55 PM
Dumbest suggestion ever to come from Johnny Mac's lips. I do however agree with him that there should be 5th set tiebreakers. Tradition is great but frankly tennis matches become tedious and boring with no end in sight. Tiebreakers enhance the drama.

cc0509
07-01-2012, 06:59 PM
Any thoughts on J Mac's opinion that men should start playing 2 of 3 instead of 3 of 5? I believe the implication is that it is a better test of tennis skill as opposed to stamina. In today's era, this is a particulalry interesting and thought provoking suggestion.

Thoughts?

Personally, I think it is a good idea. Best of five are often too long and boring in many cases, with some of the lesser players especially.

cc0509
07-01-2012, 07:01 PM
Sometimes it's best to keep stupid thoughts to yourself. I would stop watching if they did this.

Buh bye!!!! ;)

sundaypunch
07-01-2012, 07:13 PM
Dumbest suggestion ever to come from Johnny Mac's lips. I do however agree with him that there should be 5th set tiebreakers. Tradition is great but frankly tennis matches become tedious and boring with no end in sight. Tiebreakers enhance the drama.

This is exactly what the general public thinks about a 5-set match.

big_bill
07-01-2012, 07:21 PM
This is exactly what the general public thinks about a 5-set match.

The most epic moments in tennis were the result of best of five matches in slams. When did you start watching tennis?

kishnabe
07-01-2012, 07:54 PM
This is exactly what the general public thinks about a 5-set match.

Not all matches are like that. Though 2012 Aussie open final, 2010 Wimbledon Isner Mahut....where like that!

chatt_town
07-01-2012, 08:02 PM
Yea, but then it would be a regular ole tourney. Why even call it a major? I like it the way it is. The fat@$$es and spoiled brats need to get their game together and get their fitness up to snuff. Don't penalize the players the take their game seriously. That's all changing the major would be about. Giving some random guy a chance to win a tourney he shouldn't be able to in the first place.


Actually, it does bring up an interesting theoretical question:

How many times would Fed, Nadal or Nole crashed out of a GS if it were 2 of 3?

Put a better way, which of the top three would have more trouble adapting to a 2 of 3 format...which would be the best in a 2 of 3 format?

Mustard
07-01-2012, 08:10 PM
Fifth set tiebreaks are good for the US Open, but I don't want them in the other 3 majors.

Murrayfan31
07-01-2012, 08:35 PM
At 9-9, all matches should go to a tiebreak. A super tiebreak that is. First to 10.

roysid
07-01-2012, 08:41 PM
The only reason men should do it is to protest against equal pay in slams with women but number of sets aren't equal. This would bring the ITF to its knees.

Otherwise, 5 set classics are the great gems that would get lost. That differentiates the slams from other tourneys.

Can you imagine a cliffhanger math..fought for 5 sets going to the end..the emotions and the feeling everyone gets is unbelievable.
Like
Nadal - Djokovic AO final
Fed - Roddick W final
Fed - Nadal W final

And this year, Djoko-Tsonga, Fed- Del Potro in French
Nadal - Rosol, Fed- Benettau in W.

You Can't Be Serious
07-01-2012, 08:43 PM
How about best three out of five tiebreakers ?

You Can't Be Serious
07-01-2012, 08:44 PM
ITF doesn't want women playing three of five sets because of scheduling conflicts. They couldn't finish the tournament in two weeks. Three out of five for men okay with me but McEnroe's opinion does mean something although you don't have to agree with it. Federer would have turned it on earlier or his opponent choked sooner if it were two of three sets.

kaleidoskope
07-02-2012, 02:06 AM
Both men and women should be playing best of 5 sets in the majors. These are the biggest prizes in tennis and should be the hardest to win.

This.
End of discussion.

I stoped watching tennis for a bit during the early 00s and then when I came back, best of 5 were gone in masters. I was like WTFFF? I loved when all the tournaments were best of 5...

SystemicAnomaly
07-02-2012, 04:01 AM
At 9-9, all matches should go to a tiebreak. A super tiebreak that is. First to 10.

Not a bad suggestion.

Best of 3 wouldn't be a bad idea of it was first to 8 games for each set rather than 6 games. (If you want to make it it more about stamina, then go with first to 9 games/set).

If the women want equal pay, then let them play best of 3 sets with first to 8 games per set. The women should be able to handle that.

I really like this guy's ideas as well. ;)

SLD76
07-02-2012, 04:12 AM
Mac is losing it, big time.

After this and Nadal is the best volleyer I wonder what his next "revelation" will be.

maybe he is back on the bad stuff again?

SLD76
07-02-2012, 04:13 AM
Fifth set tiebreaks are good for the US Open, but I don't want them in the other 3 majors.

that makes no sense without further explanation.

kme5150
07-02-2012, 04:53 AM
I think J-Mac has a whole list of go-to comments that he picks from just to get a rise out of people. This way if it changes he can say something along the lines of these wimps only play 2 out of 3 sets unlike when he was playing.

As much as most of us love the format of tennis, it can be a nightmare for TV. With just about every other sport, you can figure out within 15-20 minutes when a match/game is going to end. I know there are some exceptions but for the most part this is the case. With tennis there is no control of that other than limiting sets.

spot
07-02-2012, 05:29 AM
I think it would make for far better TV if the men's game was best 3 out of 5 prosets. I really have no desire to watch 5 hours of tennis in one sitting.

TigerTim
07-02-2012, 05:30 AM
McEnroe is plain dumb.

Murray would have a chance though!!

Mustard
07-02-2012, 05:47 AM
that makes no sense without further explanation.

The US Open has had them since 1970, and it fits in with the atmosphere of that event. I wouldn't like them at the other majors.

Rocky89
07-02-2012, 06:04 AM
I think Mac likes to talk just for the sake of talking.

Having best of 3 at a major is ridiculous. What will make it more special than other tournaments? Best of 5 tests players skills, stamina and mental strength more and therefore makes the player who wins most deserving of the title.

ChipNCharge
07-02-2012, 06:16 AM
Personally, I think it is a good idea. Best of five are often too long and boring in many cases, with some of the lesser players especially.

I agree. Let's see, Fed just won the first two sets against some tomato can 6-2, 6-1? What the heck, let's throw in another 6-2 set, just to be sure Fed's the better player.